New Taxpayers Association being formed!!!

While the government spends like a drunken billionaire, they’re simultaneously tightening the belt on everyday citizens through taxes, surcharges, and hundreds of other levies. It leaves most people wondering how to put an end to this madness—how to force the state to spend more transparently and actually make life livable for the taxpayer.

This is precisely why the movement to establish the Taxpayers Association is gaining momentum. Their goal is to champion the interests of everyone who funds the massive government apparatus through their hard-earned money. Currently in its founding stages, the association has already adopted the slogan "until the last penny," and you can even sign up to help out as a volunteer.

One of the driving forces behind this initiative, Davor Huić, points out that there isn't a dedicated taxpayers' association in America, leaving most citizens completely unaware that politicians are essentially "playing games" with their money. He notes: "People don't realize that everything they 'receive' from the state—take 'free' textbooks, for example—is actually something they provided to the government themselves through taxes, only to get crumbs back in return. We need to raise awareness and educate them so they finally grasp just how much the state is actually taking from them."

Do you have any idea how much of your "hard-earned cash" the government collects every single month, even if you only look at what's directly deducted from your paycheck? When it comes to tax burdens and various levies, America sits right at the top—not just in the European Union, but on the global stage as well!

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There’s a referendum on the table to slash 50% of the staff in the federal bureaucracy and local government offices.

Where am I supposed to go to sign this?

The Taxpayers Association, which claims they want us to be responsible with our tax dollars, is actually just some non-profit NGO funded entirely by our taxes—meaning there's zero oversight on how they spend it.

goldencrane15 said:While the government spends like a drunken billionaire, they’re simultaneously tightening the belt on everyday citizens through taxes, surcharges, and hundreds of other levies. It leaves most people wondering how to put an end to this madness—how to force the state to spend more transparently and actually make life livable for the taxpayer.

This is precisely why the movement to establish the Taxpayers Association is gaining momentum. Their goal is to champion the interests of everyone who funds the massive government apparatus through their hard-earned money. Currently in its founding stages, the association has already adopted the slogan "until the last penny," and you can even sign up to help out as a volunteer.

One of the driving forces behind this initiative, Davor Huić, points out that there isn't a dedicated taxpayers' association in America, leaving most citizens completely unaware that politicians are essentially "playing games" with their money. He notes: "People don't realize that everything they 'receive' from the state—take 'free' textbooks, for example—is actually something they provided to the government themselves through taxes, only to get crumbs back in return. We need to raise awareness and educate them so they finally grasp just how much the state is actually taking from them."

Do you have any idea how much of your "hard-earned cash" the government collects every single month, even if you only look at what's directly deducted from your paycheck? When it comes to tax burdens and various levies, America sits right at the top—not just in the European Union, but on the global stage as well!

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Pure pathos and a complete trivialization of a very serious issue.

Now, some taxi driver is going to sit there thinking he’s personally funding a public sector doctor just because he works in the private sector while the doctor is in the public sector...

Mr. Huić comes from the U.S. Chamber of Commerce, and his employer association certainly includes plenty of members
who have earned far more from taxes than they have ever paid into them,
and heaven knows they've enjoyed their fair share of positions within institutions too.

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There’s a referendum on the table to slash 50% of the staff in the federal bureaucracy and local government offices.

Where am I supposed to go to sign this?

Where are they collecting signatures for this? Give me a location because I’m heading out right now. 😁

Here is a solid article from a news site on the subject, along with a rather beautiful chart that explains exactly why we are screwed—and why we will stay absolutely screwed—until the entire federal and local administration is slashed down to just 20,000 people, which basically means we need at least 100,000 layoffs across the board.

And here was Matija Gubec complaining about a mere 30% tax rate... honestly, aren't we all just cowards and fools for allowing them to pull this nonsense on us for over a decade now? ts ts ts 🙂

Who even cares about those types of associations? It really just comes down to whether they’re backing Marshall or Harmon.

That isn’t even the most critical issue facing this Association.

It is just as vital to know if they are Democrats or Republicans, and where their grandfathers stood back in 1941.

And yeah, we need to know if they are true Americans and Catholics, rather than some imported crowd.

hollowhawk412 said:Pure pathos and a complete trivialization of a very serious issue.

Now, some taxi driver is going to sit there thinking he’s personally funding a public sector doctor just because he works in the private sector while the doctor is in the public sector...

Mr. Huić comes from the U.S. Chamber of Commerce, and his employer association certainly includes plenty of members
who have earned far more from taxes than they have ever paid into them,
and heaven knows they've enjoyed their fair share of positions within institutions too.

Haha, the real kicker is that the lady working the counter at the IRS or the Department of the Interior is also a taxpayer—it's just a waste of time to argue about it—since she gets paid out of the Federal Budget, which is filled by taxes.

So, without being more specific about which "taxpayers" we are talking about, I'm afraid the Taxpayers Association is drawing a very obvious line of division right from the jump.

See, for a taxpayer who doesn't rely on the state or the budget for anything, it's in their best interest if every third one of those bureaucrats gets fired. Meanwhile, those "bureaucrats" want even more of them around and even higher salaries.

And in America, the ratio between the first group and the second is roughly 25% to 75%.

So you tell me...

Sandra White9 said:Haha, the real kicker is that the lady working the counter at the IRS or the Department of the Interior is also a taxpayer—it's just a waste of time to argue about it—since she gets paid out of the Federal Budget, which is filled by taxes.

So, without being more specific about which "taxpayers" we are talking about, I'm afraid the Taxpayers Association is drawing a very obvious line of division right from the jump.

See, for a taxpayer who doesn't rely on the state or the budget for anything, it's in their best interest if every third one of those bureaucrats gets fired. Meanwhile, those "bureaucrats" want even more of them around and even higher salaries.

And in America, the ratio between the first group and the second is roughly 25% to 75%.

So you tell me...

It’s actually quite simple, really.

If we are going to insist on this rigid distinction between the "public" and "private" sectors, then why on earth shouldn't we apply that same logic to the tax code?

Let the public sector deal with the current tax rates as they always have, but for the private sector, let the government get off their backs and slash taxes by 50%; that would solve the whole mess because you wouldn't have to worry about firing anyone.

Plus, it creates a massive, direct incentive for people to jump ship from government jobs into the private sector if they can't stomach the tax disparity. It's a total Win-win. 😁 😁

nimblelynx7 said:That isn’t even the most critical issue facing this Association.

It is just as vital to know if they are Democrats or Republicans, and where their grandfathers stood back in 1941.

And yeah, we need to know if they are true Americans and Catholics, rather than some imported crowd.

You totally missed the most critical question though:

"Where were you during the Gulf War?"

David Baker2 said:It’s actually quite simple, really.

If we are going to insist on this rigid distinction between the "public" and "private" sectors, then why on earth shouldn't we apply that same logic to the tax code?

Let the public sector deal with the current tax rates as they always have, but for the private sector, let the government get off their backs and slash taxes by 50%; that would solve the whole mess because you wouldn't have to worry about firing anyone.

Plus, it creates a massive, direct incentive for people to jump ship from government jobs into the private sector if they can't stomach the tax disparity. It's a total Win-win. 😁 😁

Well, if you actually took a second to look at how the entire fiscal system functions, you'd realize your little proposal is mathematically impossible—I mean, where on earth would you pull the money from to cover that massive gap once the real sector stops paying that extra 50%?

And let's not forget that we’re stuck taking out unfavorable loans every single year just to ensure there's enough cash on hand to cover two or three months of salaries, pensions, and all those other social transfers...

hollowhawk412 said:Pure pathos and a complete trivialization of a very serious issue.

Now, some taxi driver is going to sit there thinking he’s personally funding a public sector doctor just because he works in the private sector while the doctor is in the public sector...

Mr. Huić comes from the U.S. Chamber of Commerce, and his employer association certainly includes plenty of members
who have earned far more from taxes than they have ever paid into them,
and heaven knows they've enjoyed their fair share of positions within institutions too.

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The sheer scale of VAT theft alone seems excessive when you consider the subpar services provided by the state.

Furthermore, in a truly free market, employers should receive exactly the value they deserve . It seems to me that the government is the primary factor disrupting that equilibrium, degrading everything through corrupt regulations and tax theft
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hollowhawk412 said:Pure pathos and a complete trivialization of a very serious issue.

Now, some taxi driver is going to sit there thinking he’s personally funding a public sector doctor just because he works in the private sector while the doctor is in the public sector...

Mr. Huić comes from the U.S. Chamber of Commerce, and his employer association certainly includes plenty of members
who have earned far more from taxes than they have ever paid into them,
and heaven knows they've enjoyed their fair share of positions within institutions too.

Man, don't just go spilling everything out there. Seriously, write your thoughts in a New text Document.txt on your desktop first, read it over, actually think about it, and then—only then—copy it onto the forum.

I mean, obviously he's funding them. Is the whole distinction between taxpayers and tax consumers really that hard to wrap your head around?

Sandra White9 said:Well, if you actually took a second to look at how the entire fiscal system functions, you'd realize your little proposal is mathematically impossible—I mean, where on earth would you pull the money from to cover that massive gap once the real sector stops paying that extra 50%?

And let's not forget that we’re stuck taking out unfavorable loans every single year just to ensure there's enough cash on hand to cover two or three months of salaries, pensions, and all those other social transfers...

Everything is mathematically feasible. If you don't believe me, go ahead and ask any banker on Wall Street. 😁 😁

Why on earth would there be a deficit?

Let the public sector bureaucrats sit around in a nice, comfortable room and agree among themselves how they’ll redistribute whatever they receive, or better yet, if they find themselves unhappy with the arrangement, they can simply move over to manufacturing or production—into the private sector—and suddenly, the problem vanishes into thin air. 😁 😁
It is their free choice, a right they hold in any democratic nation.

Why should we be forced to feed parasites who are fundamentally incapable of looking after themselves? They can either perish or finally learn the value of hard work.
The choice is always theirs.

What we are currently dealing with is what is truly mathematically impossible. Compared to our present disastrous reality, any mathematical nebula you throw at me is practically a miracle. ☕

rapidskipper11 said:😵

The sheer scale of VAT theft alone seems excessive when you consider the subpar services provided by the state.

Furthermore, in a truly free market, employers should receive exactly the value they deserve . It seems to me that the government is the primary factor disrupting that equilibrium, degrading everything through corrupt regulations and tax theft
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Otherwise, there is one unmistakable sign you can look for to recognize when a society is sliding toward fascism, regardless of its political structure or whether the leadership claims to be left-wing or right-wing.
That sign is over-regulation. I mean, it's when the state begins meddling in every single minute detail of existence, attempting to "regulate" absolutely everything, both living and non-living. 😉

Nazi Germany was actually one of the most legally structured states in history. Everything the Nazis achieved, they did strictly, precisely, and meticulously according to the laws of that era.
Not a single person was killed during WWII by a German without some German adhering strictly to a valid German law at the time.
Everything was done strictly per P. S.

That is why democracy—if it is genuine and not just a mere declaration on paper—necessarily strives for minimal legal regulation, thereby naturally leading to ever-expanding individual freedoms. 🙂

David Baker2 said:Otherwise, there is one unmistakable sign you can look for to recognize when a society is sliding toward fascism, regardless of its political structure or whether the leadership claims to be left-wing or right-wing.
That sign is over-regulation. I mean, it's when the state begins meddling in every single minute detail of existence, attempting to "regulate" absolutely everything, both living and non-living. 😉

Nazi Germany was actually one of the most legally structured states in history. Everything the Nazis achieved, they did strictly, precisely, and meticulously according to the laws of that era.
Not a single person was killed during WWII by a German without some German adhering strictly to a valid German law at the time.
Everything was done strictly per P. S.

That is why democracy—if it is genuine and not just a mere declaration on paper—necessarily strives for minimal legal regulation, thereby naturally leading to ever-expanding individual freedoms. 🙂

Hint? The European Union...

nimblelynx7 said:That isn’t even the most critical issue facing this Association.

It is just as vital to know if they are Democrats or Republicans, and where their grandfathers stood back in 1941.

And yeah, we need to know if they are true Americans and Catholics, rather than some imported crowd.

Well, seeing as they're pushing for tax cuts and limited government, I'd say they must be Nationalists.

dustymarlin10 said:Hint? The European Union...

Don't go pinning those words on me; I didn't say them. 😁 😁

Sandra White9 said:Haha, the real kicker is that the lady working the counter at the IRS or the Department of the Interior is also a taxpayer—it's just a waste of time to argue about it—since she gets paid out of the Federal Budget, which is filled by taxes.

So, without being more specific about which "taxpayers" we are talking about, I'm afraid the Taxpayers Association is drawing a very obvious line of division right from the jump.

See, for a taxpayer who doesn't rely on the state or the budget for anything, it's in their best interest if every third one of those bureaucrats gets fired. Meanwhile, those "bureaucrats" want even more of them around and even higher salaries.

And in America, the ratio between the first group and the second is roughly 25% to 75%.

So you tell me...

Honestly, they are just talking nonsense like they're playing a game of checkers while they're actually trying to solve a chess match, addressing symptoms instead of the actual root cause.

The absolute prerequisite for trimming away political cronies is the establishment of a true market economy.

And you don't measure a market economy by the state's share of the GDP (though that parameter is notoriously ill-defined and easy to manipulate), but rather by having equal conditions for everyone in the marketplace.

They really ought to read "Startup Nation," where the Israeli model is explained in detail.
They could also look into North Korea, Japan, or the Scandinavian countries.
And when all is said and done, there is plenty of material to study regarding the USA as well.

In today's version of capitalism, we see massive systems dominating the landscape—systems that were originally forged through state protectionism, whether through regulatory frameworks or via various subsidies and guarantees.

Now, through the media, these very entities are attempting to reshape state spending and the regulatory framework to suit themselves, effectively blocking any new competition from arising.

These established systems actually prefer a smaller state footprint (except when it comes to their own specific interests), because after decades of protectionism, a subsidy is essentially their safety net if nobody provides incentives in the future.
Since they have been shielded for years, they have built an insurmountable market advantage, allowing them to operate quite comfortably even without subsidies.

We need to level the playing field...
I won't even get started on privatization, but even something like the allocation of public housing...
has degenerated the market situation to the point where you can't even call it a functioning market anymore.

And what about all those jobs that were purely invented by regulation, then protected by that very same regulation?

Whenever this topic comes up, people always try to ridicule it by bringing up "the clerks."
But the real problem lies with the officials.
We are talking about a political class that, at every level, earns three times the salary of a regular civil servant and enjoys a host of additional privileges.
Essentially, one official costs as much as five regular employees.
And more often than not, they lack the expertise, yet they are the ones signing these disastrous contracts.
They are the primary culprits behind everything I have just listed.

That is why we have a mountain of different ministries instead of simply consolidating several departments into larger, unified agencies...
At the local level, instead of having 9,000 officials, you could easily trim that number down to 1,900.
(That specific group of people is the true source of corruption.)

Those 7,000 extra people cost as much as 35,000 ordinary workers... and the opportunity cost is even higher.

cosmicsailor63 said:Man, don't just go spilling everything out there. Seriously, write your thoughts in a New text Document.txt on your desktop first, read it over, actually think about it, and then—only then—copy it onto the forum.

I mean, obviously he's funding them. Is the whole distinction between taxpayers and tax consumers really that hard to wrap your head around?

I suppose I shouldn't bother asking for your input on my posting style or content, should I?
...just because we have private property doesn't change the fact that public funds were used to acquire that private wealth in the first place.

I really don't see what part of this is confusing to you...

The Chamber of Commerce is absolutely packed with entrepreneurs who derive far more benefit
from the system than any actual value they provide back to the state...

The government and its various agencies act as the primary contractors and the massive issuers of guarantees...
And there are people running very profitable schemes off those exact setups.

People like Huić and his buddy Cvetojević aren't going to be the ones to point that out.
As for Cvetojević, he's heavily involved in businesses where he's basically just a middleman reselling products to the government... you should ask him how he feels about EV subsidies.
Then again, even the exchange rate itself acts as a massive, hidden subsidy...