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urbanscout95 urbanscout95 MemberOP
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#1 ·
Yet another poll in the series. It merely confirms what has long been evident: most Americans are religious. Merely nominal. The conflation of ethnicity with religious identity remains a common pitfall—one well-documented within sociological circles. Is it not a predictable error?

Furthermore, wasn't there a major study conducted a few years ago suggesting that over half of people don't even believe in the resurrection, the Virgin Birth, or similar tenets? Superstitious nonsense.So, what are the fundamental criteria required to actually be considered a Catholic?

Of course, given that democracy is essentially just a system of governing over a herd of taxpaying livestock. True to one's own essence.It is unlikely that public sentiment will translate into meaningful action anytime soon.

If you require precise details... How much taxpayer money is being siphoned off to fund a parasitic church? Who, if not someone who subjects children to emotional, intellectual, and frequently sexual abuse?
Henry Ramirez38 Henry Ramirez38 Newcomer
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#2 ·
urbanscout95 said:Yet another poll in the series. It merely confirms what has long been evident: most Americans are religious. Merely nominal. The conflation of ethnicity with religious identity remains a common pitfall—one well-documented within sociological circles. Is it not a predictable error?

Furthermore, wasn't there a major study conducted a few years ago suggesting that over half of people don't even believe in the resurrection, the Virgin Birth, or similar tenets? Superstitious nonsense.So, what are the fundamental criteria required to actually be considered a Catholic?

Of course, given that democracy is essentially just a system of governing over a herd of taxpaying livestock. True to one's own essence.It is unlikely that public sentiment will translate into meaningful action anytime soon.

If you require precise details... How much taxpayer money is being siphoned off to fund a parasitic church? Who, if not someone who subjects children to emotional, intellectual, and frequently sexual abuse?


In that case, don't sweat the small stuff... You're only hurting yourself by worrying about it...
mistyseal8 mistyseal8 Member
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#3 ·
Monitor's polls are legendary for being spot on. ☕
Carl Turner2 Carl Turner2 Member
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#4 ·
The poll seems pretty spot on, though I suppose they aren't exactly itching to foot the bill for various NGOs and non-profits either...

But honestly, why don't you tell me why all those supposedly "progressive" organizations managed to rise to prominence when they were actually required to be completely transparent with taxpayers about where every single cent of their expenses went?
jadeseal4 jadeseal4 Member
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#5 ·
urbanscout95 said:Yet another poll in the series. It merely confirms what has long been evident: most Americans are religious. Merely nominal. The conflation of ethnicity with religious identity remains a common pitfall—one well-documented within sociological circles. Is it not a predictable error?

Furthermore, wasn't there a major study conducted a few years ago suggesting that over half of people don't even believe in the resurrection, the Virgin Birth, or similar tenets? Superstitious nonsense.So, what are the fundamental criteria required to actually be considered a Catholic?

Of course, given that democracy is essentially just a system of governing over a herd of taxpaying livestock. True to one's own essence.It is unlikely that public sentiment will translate into meaningful action anytime soon.

If you require precise details... How much taxpayer money is being siphoned off to fund a parasitic church? Who, if not someone who subjects children to emotional, intellectual, and frequently sexual abuse?

First, we must dismantle the influence of things like the IRS, various activist watchdog groups, and their ilk.
mistyseal8 mistyseal8 Member
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#6 ·
jadeseal4 said:First, we must dismantle the influence of things like the IRS, various activist watchdog groups, and their ilk.

Well, once we finally deal with funding foreign agents and rooting out the fifth column, then we can talk about the Church. Until then, I don't see it happening.
urbanscout95 urbanscout95 MemberOP
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#7 ·
If you are interested in knowing precisely how much taxpayer money is diverted to support a parasitic church that subjects children to emotional, intellectual, and frequently sexual abuse,
Brenda Cook4 Brenda Cook4 Regular
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#8 ·
urbanscout95 said:Yet another poll in the series. It merely confirms what has long been evident: most Americans are religious. Merely nominal. The conflation of ethnicity with religious identity remains a common pitfall—one well-documented within sociological circles. Is it not a predictable error?

Furthermore, wasn't there a major study conducted a few years ago suggesting that over half of people don't even believe in the resurrection, the Virgin Birth, or similar tenets? Superstitious nonsense.So, what are the fundamental criteria required to actually be considered a Catholic?

Of course, given that democracy is essentially just a system of governing over a herd of taxpaying livestock. True to one's own essence.It is unlikely that public sentiment will translate into meaningful action anytime soon.

If you require precise details... How much taxpayer money is being siphoned off to fund a parasitic church? Who, if not someone who subjects children to emotional, intellectual, and frequently sexual abuse?

To be honest, I'm an atheist (never was a believer), but after these constant waves of offensives from the very dark forces in this country (not aiming this at you personally, obviously), I'm actually thinking about attending Mass and becoming an active parishioner. You say "in name only"? Look, there was an actual census; people stated who they were on official documents—direct declarations! But nope, according to a poll, it's just "nominal." I can't deal with this BS anymore: 😁
Karen Smith9 Karen Smith9 Active Member
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#9 ·
Carl Turner2 said:The poll seems pretty spot on, though I suppose they aren't exactly itching to foot the bill for various NGOs and non-profits either...

But honestly, why don't you tell me why all those supposedly "progressive" organizations managed to rise to prominence when they were actually required to be completely transparent with taxpayers about where every single cent of their expenses went?

Yeah, there are just way too many of these pointless little organizations—it’s actually getting ridiculous... in my tiny hometown, there are about 90 of them registered! It seems everyone feels the need to be the president of *something*, even if the whole group only consists of two and a half people... and of course, they all get their slice of the pie, while nobody has a clue where the money actually goes... except, naturally, for the president of the association in question.
rustyorca42 rustyorca42 Newcomer
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#10 ·
urbanscout95 said:Yet another poll in the series. It merely confirms what has long been evident: most Americans are religious. Merely nominal. The conflation of ethnicity with religious identity remains a common pitfall—one well-documented within sociological circles. Is it not a predictable error?

Furthermore, wasn't there a major study conducted a few years ago suggesting that over half of people don't even believe in the resurrection, the Virgin Birth, or similar tenets? Superstitious nonsense.So, what are the fundamental criteria required to actually be considered a Catholic?

Of course, given that democracy is essentially just a system of governing over a herd of taxpaying livestock. True to one's own essence.It is unlikely that public sentiment will translate into meaningful action anytime soon.

If you require precise details... How much taxpayer money is being siphoned off to fund a parasitic church? Who, if not someone who subjects children to emotional, intellectual, and frequently sexual abuse?

Same old story, part two.

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Ryan Harris5 Ryan Harris5 Newcomer
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#11 ·
Amanda Wilson10 said:I find it absolutely fascinating how some atheists and anti-theists still cling so tightly to faith, the church, the Bible, and all those related traditions. 🙏🙏

It isn't really about the faith or the Bible; it’s about the money coming straight out of people's pockets. Religion serves an important sociological purpose and deserves its place, but honestly, while half of Americans can barely afford groceries, the Church is busy building massive cathedrals out of onyx. Isn't that just pure greed? If you ask me, it’s a sin.
Amanda Wilson10 Amanda Wilson10 Newcomer
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#12 ·
Ryan Harris5 said:It isn't really about the faith or the Bible; it’s about the money coming straight out of people's pockets. Religion serves an important sociological purpose and deserves its place, but honestly, while half of Americans can barely afford groceries, the Church is busy building massive cathedrals out of onyx. Isn't that just pure greed? If you ask me, it’s a sin.

I totally agree that people should fund their own convictions out of their own pockets, whether that means supporting a church or some random NGO promoting whatever cause they feel like.

But that's not my point! My point is about the sheer arrogance—or rather, the lack of conviction—behind these beliefs. They try to act all superior by basically spitting on anyone who holds a different view.
Strip away the money aspect, and you'll see the exact same crowd attacking and belittling the church, faith, the Bible, or the Christian way of life. Take away the financial argument, and they'll just pivot to something else. It never ends.
Ryan Harris5 Ryan Harris5 Newcomer
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#13 ·
Amanda Wilson10 said:I totally agree that people should fund their own convictions out of their own pockets, whether that means supporting a church or some random NGO promoting whatever cause they feel like.

But that's not my point! My point is about the sheer arrogance—or rather, the lack of conviction—behind these beliefs. They try to act all superior by basically spitting on anyone who holds a different view.
Strip away the money aspect, and you'll see the exact same crowd attacking and belittling the church, faith, the Bible, or the Christian way of life. Take away the financial argument, and they'll just pivot to something else. It never ends.

It’s so common to see believers judging anything that doesn't align with their worldview. They act as if other people's lives are their business, and honestly, isn't that exactly what irritates those who aren't particularly religious?
rustywalker1 rustywalker1 Active Member
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#14 ·
We don't need to shell out $300 million a year just to believe in God. 🙂
Bradley Scott2 Bradley Scott2 Member
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#15 ·
urbanscout95 said:Yet another poll in the series. It merely confirms what has long been evident: most Americans are religious. Merely nominal. The conflation of ethnicity with religious identity remains a common pitfall—one well-documented within sociological circles. Is it not a predictable error?

Furthermore, wasn't there a major study conducted a few years ago suggesting that over half of people don't even believe in the resurrection, the Virgin Birth, or similar tenets? Superstitious nonsense.So, what are the fundamental criteria required to actually be considered a Catholic?

Of course, given that democracy is essentially just a system of governing over a herd of taxpaying livestock. True to one's own essence.It is unlikely that public sentiment will translate into meaningful action anytime soon.

If you require precise details... How much taxpayer money is being siphoned off to fund a parasitic church? Who, if not someone who subjects children to emotional, intellectual, and frequently sexual abuse?

I can see you have a grudge against the Church, so you keep bringing up topics where that institution and its followers should be demonized and torn apart.
First, on that other thread, you tried to paint believers as some kind of mentally impaired deviants, which didn't really work out for you.

Now you're moving on to the old reliable method of misinformation—shouting "they're robbing us."
And in a way, it is true. Citizens have zero control over the funds the government collects through taxes and other mandatory fees, while politicians scatter them on whatever they feel like.

Let's flip the script then—let's cut taxes in half and use those funds exclusively for essential societal functions and public services, and let citizens fund everything else directly.

How much goes from the federal budget to the Church, versus how much goes to, say, NBC via special mandatory levies?
How much comes out of the treasury for various channels supporting professional football?
And don't even get me started on all those associations that work against this society and our country. If groups like that receive foreign donations, they absolutely should have to report who is funding them and for what purpose.

When you finally add it all up, the Church could easily get that $300 million from the people, but NBC wouldn't get a billion, nor would the sports clubs.
And various documents and certain activist organizations wouldn't get anything at all—they'd cease to exist. Their only reason for being is to undermine society and grab budget funds for their own business activism.

Not to mention that just paying the rent for seized properties (not to talk about returning them) that the state would have to pay the Church in that scenario would easily be a bigger line item than that $300 million.
crimsonwolf20 crimsonwolf20 Active Member
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#16 ·
Carl Turner2 said:The poll seems pretty spot on, though I suppose they aren't exactly itching to foot the bill for various NGOs and non-profits either...

But honestly, why don't you tell me why all those supposedly "progressive" organizations managed to rise to prominence when they were actually required to be completely transparent with taxpayers about where every single cent of their expenses went?

jadeseal4 said:First, we must dismantle the influence of things like the IRS, various activist watchdog groups, and their ilk.

mistyseal8 said:Well, once we finally deal with funding foreign agents and rooting out the fifth column, then we can talk about the Church. Until then, I don't see it happening.

Karen Smith9 said:Yeah, there are just way too many of these pointless little organizations—it’s actually getting ridiculous... in my tiny hometown, there are about 90 of them registered! It seems everyone feels the need to be the president of *something*, even if the whole group only consists of two and a half people... and of course, they all get their slice of the pie, while nobody has a clue where the money actually goes... except, naturally, for the president of the association in question.

Ryan Harris5 said:It isn't really about the faith or the Bible; it’s about the money coming straight out of people's pockets. Religion serves an important sociological purpose and deserves its place, but honestly, while half of Americans can barely afford groceries, the Church is busy building massive cathedrals out of onyx. Isn't that just pure greed? If you ask me, it’s a sin.

Amanda Wilson10 said:I totally agree that people should fund their own convictions out of their own pockets, whether that means supporting a church or some random NGO promoting whatever cause they feel like.

But that's not my point! My point is about the sheer arrogance—or rather, the lack of conviction—behind these beliefs. They try to act all superior by basically spitting on anyone who holds a different view.
Strip away the money aspect, and you'll see the exact same crowd attacking and belittling the church, faith, the Bible, or the Christian way of life. Take away the financial argument, and they'll just pivot to something else. It never ends.


Seriously though, major props to everyone here quoting this—that libertarian outlook on society is spot on. It’s all about common sense and standing firm on those core principles—basically, being against being forced to fund stuff we don't even want or support. 👍 If only we could actually apply that same logic to everything else we're being taxed for...
Charles Lopez3 Charles Lopez3 Active Member
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#17 ·
Ryan Harris5 said:It isn't really about the faith or the Bible; it’s about the money coming straight out of people's pockets. Religion serves an important sociological purpose and deserves its place, but honestly, while half of Americans can barely afford groceries, the Church is busy building massive cathedrals out of onyx. Isn't that just pure greed? If you ask me, it’s a sin.


mortal sin.
Carl Turner2 Carl Turner2 Member
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#18 ·
Ryan Harris5 said:It isn't really about the faith or the Bible; it’s about the money coming straight out of people's pockets. Religion serves an important sociological purpose and deserves its place, but honestly, while half of Americans can barely afford groceries, the Church is busy building massive cathedrals out of onyx. Isn't that just pure greed? If you ask me, it’s a sin.

I see your point, and perhaps the timing for such massive investments just isn't right, but if we looked at things through that lens, even the ceiling of the Sistine Chapel would have been painted with cheap whitewash... I suppose this is a rather vast topic to unpack in one go...
Charles Lopez3 Charles Lopez3 Active Member
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#19 ·
Carl Turner2 said:I see your point, and perhaps the timing for such massive investments just isn't right, but if we looked at things through that lens, even the ceiling of the Sistine Chapel would have been painted with cheap whitewash... I suppose this is a rather vast topic to unpack in one go...


man, it's like the deathly sins of the church
clearly don't even phase you, 😁

if it wasn't for the Sistine Chapel
and all the absolute chaos the church has caused throughout history,
and if Jesus' teachings actually
had stayed alive,
our whole civilization would be on a much higher level today.

so thanks to their greed.
Satanic ☕
Carl Turner2 Carl Turner2 Member
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#20 ·
Charles Lopez3 said:man, it's like the deathly sins of the church
clearly don't even phase you, 😁

if it wasn't for the Sistine Chapel
and all the absolute chaos the church has caused throughout history,
and if Jesus' teachings actually
had stayed alive,
our whole civilization would be on a much higher level today.

so thanks to their greed.
Satanic ☕

🙂

Well, let’s take a moment to assess exactly what level we've reached, shall we?

I mean, look at the reality of things—you walk into a hospital in most major cities that was originally founded by the church, or you attend a school that was established under its aegis...

But I find myself wondering: how many of those hospitals were built by the church and then later handed over to the state, versus how many were actually constructed using taxpayer money?

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