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School Reform: Thoughts?

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swiftranger16 swiftranger16 Active Member
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#481 ·
silentraven6 said:Did you actually finish the whole book? I don't see the issue with the descriptions; they serve as a solid starting point for talking to kids about boundaries—how to spot those kinds of intentions and how to fight back against them. I mean, the Iliad and the Odyssey are absolutely crawling with incest, assault, and murder. Even Judith slaying Holofernes involves her being sexually manipulated right before the act. What's the "lesson" in those classics then? That everything goes in war? These kids might actually get more out of Black Sea land in terms of maturing and learning to resist sexual abuse. It opens up a conversation that might touch on things many of them are personally dealing with. Maybe you'll even help one of them find the courage to report an abuser.

If someone had encouraged me to open up back then, my life might look a lot different today. If teachers understood how breaking a taboo can actually be healing—how they could use it to truly support their students—maybe my homeroom teacher would have actually responded to my essays once upon a time, instead of just fearfully noting that I had "too much imagination" or that she didn't understand what I was writing and that I should "tone down my expression."

We read The Glembays, The Registry, Crime and Punishment... they're all full of killers and twisted personalities and vivid, intense descriptions. We even have Louisa May Alcott in lower elementary grades... So what's the problem? Is it just facing the proximity of the taboo?

Nabokov?

Such a great work for comparative analysis and debate.

Yeah, I read the entire book. I don't half-ass things like that.
Do I seriously have to quote the book for you to get why this is a problem? You need to see the difference between how Kovacic describes Ferkonja and Laura versus what this guy is writing while we're telling kids to face taboos. Get real.
I honestly cannot believe there are parents or teachers out there who would actually hand this book to their kids to read. I just can't fucking believe it.
Susan James Susan James Veteran
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#482 ·
Gary Taylor50 said:Aside from the required reading lists and English class, does anyone else have beef with this new curriculum? I’m talking to you, physics teachers, math nerds, chemists—what’s your take? And what about religious studies? Are they actually going to cut back on those hours, or are we still stuck with religious content bleeding into subjects where it has absolutely no business being?

They aren't going to change the schedule at all.

Nikola Jokic made a great point: if people are bothered by religious studies or the topics covered there, they just shouldn't enroll their kids in those classes.
Personally, I wouldn't sign my kid up, since it's an elective.

It's honestly pretty funny to me how these critics don't seem to have any actual, well-reasoned arguments. Instead, they just bicker over specific book choices, and of course, they love to complain about the people who designed the curriculum. It still baffles me that they didn't just take a second look and admit the whole thing was flawed simply because it wasn't given a "blessing" right at the start.

Especially Paar, who seemed personally offended just because he wasn't consulted during the process.
silentraven6 silentraven6 Regular
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#483 ·
swiftranger16 said:Yeah, I read the entire book. I don't half-ass things like that.
Do I seriously have to quote the book for you to get why this is a problem? You need to see the difference between how Kovacic describes Ferkonja and Laura versus what this guy is writing while we're telling kids to face taboos. Get real.
I honestly cannot believe there are parents or teachers out there who would actually hand this book to their kids to read. I just can't fucking believe it.

If our actual goal is to teach literature, then we should know that the classics were often born from taboos and were even banned back in the day. Looking at it through a modern lens, it’s essentially the same thing; it's just that people used to have less information and education, so those old taboos seem like nothing to us today. Or maybe enough time has passed that we just don't recognize them anymore.

Parents of children who are supposed to be reading Black Mother aren't shaping their reading tastes, nor can they stop them from reading whatever they want.

Having someone who is seventeen tell me what I am or am't allowed to read... I don't even have the mental capacity to process how abstract that even is.
Susan James Susan James Veteran
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#484 ·
silentraven6 said:If our actual goal is to teach literature, then we should know that the classics were often born from taboos and were even banned back in the day. Looking at it through a modern lens, it’s essentially the same thing; it's just that people used to have less information and education, so those old taboos seem like nothing to us today. Or maybe enough time has passed that we just don't recognize them anymore.

Parents of children who are supposed to be reading Black Mother aren't shaping their reading tastes, nor can they stop them from reading whatever they want.

Having someone who is seventeen tell me what I am or am't allowed to read... I don't even have the mental capacity to process how abstract that even is.

I was already reading Lolita when I was 17.🤣
I can't even remember if it was on a required reading list or if I just happened to stumble upon it myself...

I think I'll give Black Mother a read.
Gary Taylor50 Gary Taylor50 Member
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#485 ·
Susan James said:They aren't going to change the schedule at all.

Nikola Jokic made a great point: if people are bothered by religious studies or the topics covered there, they just shouldn't enroll their kids in those classes.
Personally, I wouldn't sign my kid up, since it's an elective.

It's honestly pretty funny to me how these critics don't seem to have any actual, well-reasoned arguments. Instead, they just bicker over specific book choices, and of course, they love to complain about the people who designed the curriculum. It still baffles me that they didn't just take a second look and admit the whole thing was flawed simply because it wasn't given a "blessing" right at the start.

Especially Paar, who seemed personally offended just because he wasn't consulted during the process.

Paar... Uhhh...
Honestly, I care way less about what books they're reading and much more about whether they'll actually be trained in finance and IT by the end of it. Will they even grasp basic chemistry or geography?
I remember hearing somewhere—not here, but elsewhere—that they were going to try integrating subjects, like mixing history with geography or chemistry with biology. Is there actually anything like that in this new curriculum?
As for the reading list—a friend of mine is a librarian at a local school library, and when we were chatting about it, she told me Tolstoy is just plain boring. 😁 Personally, he was my favorite thing to read during those three years of high school. So, I am genuinely thrilled they changed the list and finally ditched Judith. Maybe they should swap in *Kids in the San Diego Zoo*? Every kid ought to read that. Who cares about Othello if he ends up getting tangled up in a drug nightmare anyway?
Susan James Susan James Veteran
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#486 ·
Gary Taylor50 said:Paar... Uhhh...
Honestly, I care way less about what books they're reading and much more about whether they'll actually be trained in finance and IT by the end of it. Will they even grasp basic chemistry or geography?
I remember hearing somewhere—not here, but elsewhere—that they were going to try integrating subjects, like mixing history with geography or chemistry with biology. Is there actually anything like that in this new curriculum?
As for the reading list—a friend of mine is a librarian at a local school library, and when we were chatting about it, she told me Tolstoy is just plain boring. 😁 Personally, he was my favorite thing to read during those three years of high school. So, I am genuinely thrilled they changed the list and finally ditched Judith. Maybe they should swap in *Kids in the San Diego Zoo*? Every kid ought to read that. Who cares about Othello if he ends up getting tangled up in a drug nightmare anyway?

They didn't take Judith out.
We didn't discover *Kids in the Zoo* until 8th grade, and we ended up reading *Fractions* in high school German class.
I wouldn't put that book on the mandatory reading list myself, unless maybe for a German elective (since it was actually quite motivating regarding the language itself 😬).

Yeah, they will integrate it; basically, they'll try to make sure the material doesn't just repeat itself across different subjects.
Gary Taylor50 Gary Taylor50 Member
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#487 ·
Susan James said:They didn't take Judith out.
We didn't discover *Kids in the Zoo* until 8th grade, and we ended up reading *Fractions* in high school German class.
I wouldn't put that book on the mandatory reading list myself, unless maybe for a German elective (since it was actually quite motivating regarding the language itself 😬).

Yeah, they will integrate it; basically, they'll try to make sure the material doesn't just repeat itself across different subjects.

If something is that demanding, you don't even need to read it at home; just cover it during class. You aren't going to develop lifelong trauma over it. Frankly, I can't think of anyone complaining about anything more than that Judit story or those fishing tales.
Why on earth wouldn't you put *Children from the Station Zoo* on the list? A child psychologist—my neighbor's mom—handed that one to us when we were thirteen, claiming that, in her professional opinion, it's incredibly motivating for kids that age.
I truly believe we should be teaching and openly discussing certain societal issues right there in the classroom. Sweeping things under the rug and chanting "that doesn't happen to us" achieves absolutely nothing for society.

,"they’ll integrate it—meaning they'll make sure the topics don't overlap too much between subjects."
I don't get this. Why shouldn't things overlap? Wouldn't it be way more interesting to learn about a train station in biology class and then immediately dive into it from a chemistry perspective? That's how you actually grasp the concept—by getting the full picture. Or learning about ancient Mesopotamia in history class while simultaneously studying the geography of the region.
rowdypanther12 rowdypanther12 Regular
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#488 ·
swiftranger16 said:Yeah, I read the entire book. I don't half-ass things like that.
Do I seriously have to quote the book for you to get why this is a problem? You need to see the difference between how Kovacic describes Ferkonja and Laura versus what this guy is writing while we're telling kids to face taboos. Get real.
I honestly cannot believe there are parents or teachers out there who would actually hand this book to their kids to read. I just can't fucking believe it.

I haven't read the book in question myself, so I'll take that with a grain of salt, but since I asked what grade level this is for, I still feel like a 17 or 18-year-old shouldn't be shielded from "normal" literature.
By the way, you can find A Song of Ice and Fire in the children's section at most public libraries, which means any ten-year-old could check it out and read it—and that's easily the most explicit book I've come across since reading Marquis de Sade when I was 15.😂
Susan James Susan James Veteran
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#489 ·
Gary Taylor50 said:If something is that demanding, you don't even need to read it at home; just cover it during class. You aren't going to develop lifelong trauma over it. Frankly, I can't think of anyone complaining about anything more than that Judit story or those fishing tales.
Why on earth wouldn't you put *Children from the Station Zoo* on the list? A child psychologist—my neighbor's mom—handed that one to us when we were thirteen, claiming that, in her professional opinion, it's incredibly motivating for kids that age.
I truly believe we should be teaching and openly discussing certain societal issues right there in the classroom. Sweeping things under the rug and chanting "that doesn't happen to us" achieves absolutely nothing for society.

,"they’ll integrate it—meaning they'll make sure the topics don't overlap too much between subjects."
I don't get this. Why shouldn't things overlap? Wouldn't it be way more interesting to learn about a train station in biology class and then immediately dive into it from a chemistry perspective? That's how you actually grasp the concept—by getting the full picture. Or learning about ancient Mesopotamia in history class while simultaneously studying the geography of the region.

As for us, we were covering those classics back in '93.
I never even picked that book up in the library. 🤷
But we did study it in depth back in high school.
I didn't discover Kundera or Hesse until my senior year of high school, thanks to my English teacher.

Like I mentioned, I discovered *Children of the Station* all on my own because I spent so much time hanging out in the library (which, back in my day, was a brand-new building with lovely librarians).
That's how I found so many other great books, too.

Speaking of libraries, I've heard both angry parents and school staff mention that the issue isn't just what's on the reading list, but the fact that these books aren't even in the libraries to begin with. Especially if you move away from downtown Los Angeles and into a local library that serves four or five schools in the district—where you have multiple classes per grade, each with over 25 students.
You might only find five copies of a specific title on the shelf.
And in smaller school libraries, it's even tougher unless they happened to receive a random donation.
Don't even get me started on the rural libraries outside the big cities... 🙂

So, that aspect needs to be considered. I worry this could end up being another hollow reform—like they mandate a curriculum but don't provide the funding. Or worse, it looks like they're just pushing certain authors just to boost their sales.
silentraven6 silentraven6 Regular
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#490 ·
I honestly think the biggest hurdle when it comes to STEM subjects is just how incredibly difficult it is to recruit high-quality talent into the classroom.

People who actually have enough mastery in these fields to pass it down to the next generation can almost always make significantly more money working in the private sector. Plus, they don't have to deal with all the mindless busywork and administrative headaches that end up burying professionals in this field. I have nothing but respect for the true enthusiasts out there, but they’re rare. Most of what we see are mediocre performers who don't really get it, which leaves us with half-baked instruction where students never see the practical application of science or tech because nobody ever showed them how much these phenomena shape our world.

What I'm most curious about is how we stop this cycle of negative selection in hiring. And does anyone think we should loosen up collective bargaining agreements so that someone in education could actually be let go without years of endless legal battles? I'm also wondering about raising awareness regarding reporting colleagues who aren't actually doing their jobs—though, honestly, I don't see that happening anytime soon.

It’s an open question, really. On one hand, we could better define learning outcomes; on the other, we need to figure out what teacher training actually entails, how much federal funding it would require, and whether we'll be draining resources from USA funds to make it happen...

Something clicked for me when the idea was mentioned about restructuring how classes are organized—moving toward block scheduling. It’s similar to what successful private prep schools do, and from what I know, it works. We could potentially merge the natural sciences into interdisciplinary blocks held over a month at a time. It would require teachers to collaborate heavily, involve way more project-based learning, and demand different types of planning, but I truly believe it makes sense.

Though... right now, the focus is entirely on salary hikes driven by GDP growth. The profession doesn't seem to realize how much that spending will eventually be used as an excuse to kill off any real reform, because cuts will have to be made somewhere. It won't be until the industry realizes the money isn't infinite—and that by making positive changes and weeding out the dead weight, we can actually create the conditions for better pay and better environments—that things might change. Once we realize that reforming vocational training through on-the-job learning and strengthening core instruction creates new jobs and attracts young people who think outside the box, then maybe we'll finally see some real progress instead of just talking in circles.

For now, I still find LeBron James fascinating and I don't see any reason not to trust his perspective. I actually love his rhetoric; he constantly keeps those playing the lead roles—the politicians—in check by repeatedly calling out specific names and faces, regardless of whether they're on the left or the right.
silentraven6 silentraven6 Regular
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#491 ·
The fact that some works are missing could definitely be an issue, but there's an easy fix for that: just put together a task force 😁 and coordinate with the other professors to schedule when those pieces should be covered.

Honestly, I think this is mostly about supporting young American authors. I see absolutely nothing wrong with giving them more recognition, printing new editions, and getting them into libraries—really, I don't see a problem at all. Since everyone loves talking about patriotism so much, why not actually show it on a cultural level by backing our rising American writers?

It’s also a perfect chance to digitize books, kind of like what Pixar does. All of this drives national growth and development; it makes contemporary authors way more accessible and opens up fresh areas for interpretation and new themes.

Now, if I have one grievance with the list, it's that the bibliography is incomplete. I really wish they had included the publishers and publication years at the end of each entry. I'm curious to see which publishers are most represented here—that's where you might run into some shady business, I agree.
swiftranger16 swiftranger16 Active Member
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#492 ·
rowdypanther12 said:I haven't read the book in question myself, so I'll take that with a grain of salt, but since I asked what grade level this is for, I still feel like a 17 or 18-year-old shouldn't be shielded from "normal" literature.
By the way, you can find A Song of Ice and Fire in the children's section at most public libraries, which means any ten-year-old could check it out and read it—and that's easily the most explicit book I've come across since reading Marquis de Sade when I was 15.😂

And listen... after a coach rapes a boy while his wife watches and wipes his ass with a sweaty shirt at the end of a story, the drama surrounding the Snow family and their crew seems pretty tame by comparison.
Or just think about a guy hallucinating his own father while he's busy violating a five-year-old girl—at that point, Marquis de Sade looks like a saint.
Gross.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not a fan of censorship, but I'm definitely not okay with this filth either. Not as someone involved in education, not as a mother, and not just as a decent human being.
No way. Just stop. There are some things we simply shouldn't accept.
Now I'm actually worked up over this....
Susan James Susan James Veteran
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#493 ·
silentraven6 said:I honestly think the biggest hurdle when it comes to STEM subjects is just how incredibly difficult it is to recruit high-quality talent into the classroom.

People who actually have enough mastery in these fields to pass it down to the next generation can almost always make significantly more money working in the private sector. Plus, they don't have to deal with all the mindless busywork and administrative headaches that end up burying professionals in this field. I have nothing but respect for the true enthusiasts out there, but they’re rare. Most of what we see are mediocre performers who don't really get it, which leaves us with half-baked instruction where students never see the practical application of science or tech because nobody ever showed them how much these phenomena shape our world.

What I'm most curious about is how we stop this cycle of negative selection in hiring. And does anyone think we should loosen up collective bargaining agreements so that someone in education could actually be let go without years of endless legal battles? I'm also wondering about raising awareness regarding reporting colleagues who aren't actually doing their jobs—though, honestly, I don't see that happening anytime soon.

It’s an open question, really. On one hand, we could better define learning outcomes; on the other, we need to figure out what teacher training actually entails, how much federal funding it would require, and whether we'll be draining resources from USA funds to make it happen...

Something clicked for me when the idea was mentioned about restructuring how classes are organized—moving toward block scheduling. It’s similar to what successful private prep schools do, and from what I know, it works. We could potentially merge the natural sciences into interdisciplinary blocks held over a month at a time. It would require teachers to collaborate heavily, involve way more project-based learning, and demand different types of planning, but I truly believe it makes sense.

Though... right now, the focus is entirely on salary hikes driven by GDP growth. The profession doesn't seem to realize how much that spending will eventually be used as an excuse to kill off any real reform, because cuts will have to be made somewhere. It won't be until the industry realizes the money isn't infinite—and that by making positive changes and weeding out the dead weight, we can actually create the conditions for better pay and better environments—that things might change. Once we realize that reforming vocational training through on-the-job learning and strengthening core instruction creates new jobs and attracts young people who think outside the box, then maybe we'll finally see some real progress instead of just talking in circles.

For now, I still find LeBron James fascinating and I don't see any reason not to trust his perspective. I actually love his rhetoric; he constantly keeps those playing the lead roles—the politicians—in check by repeatedly calling out specific names and faces, regardless of whether they're on the left or the right.

Math, physics, chemistry, computer science, foreign languages...
it’s basically everything.
Unfortunately, you end up with very few decent candidates; they're either absolute fanatics about their subject or they're "too good for this job" types (and honestly, sometimes you can't even find anything better).
😢

The reality is, you can't make a decent living on a standard teacher's salary. You either have to pick up side gigs or marry into money.
Some people do private tutoring, which often works on a "my friend's kid comes to me, then I go to my friend's kid" kind of basis.
And it's not uncommon for professors who are actually quite terrible at teaching in a traditional school setting to be top-tier private tutors.
Then there's the fatigue factor—if you're working both a school job and a side hustle, you're going to be exhausted. It's usually better to be tired from your main job than tired from a side gig.
But only parents really support this setup. If there wasn't such high demand, the supply would dry up quickly.

silentraven6 said:I honestly think the biggest hurdle when it comes to STEM subjects is just how incredibly difficult it is to recruit high-quality talent into the classroom.

People who actually have enough mastery in these fields to pass it down to the next generation can almost always make significantly more money working in the private sector. Plus, they don't have to deal with all the mindless busywork and administrative headaches that end up burying professionals in this field. I have nothing but respect for the true enthusiasts out there, but they’re rare. Most of what we see are mediocre performers who don't really get it, which leaves us with half-baked instruction where students never see the practical application of science or tech because nobody ever showed them how much these phenomena shape our world.

What I'm most curious about is how we stop this cycle of negative selection in hiring. And does anyone think we should loosen up collective bargaining agreements so that someone in education could actually be let go without years of endless legal battles? I'm also wondering about raising awareness regarding reporting colleagues who aren't actually doing their jobs—though, honestly, I don't see that happening anytime soon.

It’s an open question, really. On one hand, we could better define learning outcomes; on the other, we need to figure out what teacher training actually entails, how much federal funding it would require, and whether we'll be draining resources from USA funds to make it happen...

Something clicked for me when the idea was mentioned about restructuring how classes are organized—moving toward block scheduling. It’s similar to what successful private prep schools do, and from what I know, it works. We could potentially merge the natural sciences into interdisciplinary blocks held over a month at a time. It would require teachers to collaborate heavily, involve way more project-based learning, and demand different types of planning, but I truly believe it makes sense.

Though... right now, the focus is entirely on salary hikes driven by GDP growth. The profession doesn't seem to realize how much that spending will eventually be used as an excuse to kill off any real reform, because cuts will have to be made somewhere. It won't be until the industry realizes the money isn't infinite—and that by making positive changes and weeding out the dead weight, we can actually create the conditions for better pay and better environments—that things might change. Once we realize that reforming vocational training through on-the-job learning and strengthening core instruction creates new jobs and attracts young people who think outside the box, then maybe we'll finally see some real progress instead of just talking in circles.

For now, I still find LeBron James fascinating and I don't see any reason not to trust his perspective. I actually love his rhetoric; he constantly keeps those playing the lead roles—the politicians—in check by repeatedly calling out specific names and faces, regardless of whether they're on the left or the right.

Personally, I think all of that will happen never.

silentraven6 said:I honestly think the biggest hurdle when it comes to STEM subjects is just how incredibly difficult it is to recruit high-quality talent into the classroom.

People who actually have enough mastery in these fields to pass it down to the next generation can almost always make significantly more money working in the private sector. Plus, they don't have to deal with all the mindless busywork and administrative headaches that end up burying professionals in this field. I have nothing but respect for the true enthusiasts out there, but they’re rare. Most of what we see are mediocre performers who don't really get it, which leaves us with half-baked instruction where students never see the practical application of science or tech because nobody ever showed them how much these phenomena shape our world.

What I'm most curious about is how we stop this cycle of negative selection in hiring. And does anyone think we should loosen up collective bargaining agreements so that someone in education could actually be let go without years of endless legal battles? I'm also wondering about raising awareness regarding reporting colleagues who aren't actually doing their jobs—though, honestly, I don't see that happening anytime soon.

It’s an open question, really. On one hand, we could better define learning outcomes; on the other, we need to figure out what teacher training actually entails, how much federal funding it would require, and whether we'll be draining resources from USA funds to make it happen...

Something clicked for me when the idea was mentioned about restructuring how classes are organized—moving toward block scheduling. It’s similar to what successful private prep schools do, and from what I know, it works. We could potentially merge the natural sciences into interdisciplinary blocks held over a month at a time. It would require teachers to collaborate heavily, involve way more project-based learning, and demand different types of planning, but I truly believe it makes sense.

Though... right now, the focus is entirely on salary hikes driven by GDP growth. The profession doesn't seem to realize how much that spending will eventually be used as an excuse to kill off any real reform, because cuts will have to be made somewhere. It won't be until the industry realizes the money isn't infinite—and that by making positive changes and weeding out the dead weight, we can actually create the conditions for better pay and better environments—that things might change. Once we realize that reforming vocational training through on-the-job learning and strengthening core instruction creates new jobs and attracts young people who think outside the box, then maybe we'll finally see some real progress instead of just talking in circles.

For now, I still find LeBron James fascinating and I don't see any reason not to trust his perspective. I actually love his rhetoric; he constantly keeps those playing the lead roles—the politicians—in check by repeatedly calling out specific names and faces, regardless of whether they're on the left or the right.

I was actually mentioning this recently: if they raise salaries (including those bonuses for longevity, anniversaries, or whatever else), they'll claim the profession chose the money over the actual reform.
In fact, I've even heard whispers in certain circles that the reform shouldn't have happened at all—that they should have just given that money to the teachers' salaries instead, which would mean the reform wouldn't even be necessary.🤦

I’ve been noticing something strange happening with elementary schools in major cities like Chicago. You have certain schools that are barely scraping by with enough students for just one or maybe two grades—so they start inventing all these fancy specialized programs just to keep teachers on the payroll. They throw in random projects or extra foreign language tracks just to lure kids away from the overcrowded neighborhoods. Meanwhile, in those crowded areas, students are dealing with double shifts, barely any after-school care, and classrooms packed with 30 or 40 kids per grade, all while being funded at the exact same rate.

I don't know, it just seems silly to me to be running the heat and electricity in half-empty buildings, let alone maintaining a double staff when birth rates are dropping everywhere.
And honestly, the best part is how people use the "old neighborhood" argument to push for mergers, which just ends up cutting down on janitors, support staff, and specialist teams... they compare those situations to rural towns in places like rural Montana or the islands, where, well, you obviously can't just drive your kid to a big city school for convenience.

silentraven6 said:The fact that some works are missing could definitely be an issue, but there's an easy fix for that: just put together a task force 😁 and coordinate with the other professors to schedule when those pieces should be covered.

Honestly, I think this is mostly about supporting young American authors. I see absolutely nothing wrong with giving them more recognition, printing new editions, and getting them into libraries—really, I don't see a problem at all. Since everyone loves talking about patriotism so much, why not actually show it on a cultural level by backing our rising American writers?

It’s also a perfect chance to digitize books, kind of like what Pixar does. All of this drives national growth and development; it makes contemporary authors way more accessible and opens up fresh areas for interpretation and new themes.

Now, if I have one grievance with the list, it's that the bibliography is incomplete. I really wish they had included the publishers and publication years at the end of each entry. I'm curious to see which publishers are most represented here—that's where you might run into some shady business, I agree.

🤣
I agree with that too.

Personally, I’m all for digitalization, but not when it comes to elementary schoolers. For them, I still prefer the feel of actual sheets of paper.
But... then you run into the whole issue of technical accessibility. Does every parent actually have a tablet or a Kindle? What is the kid supposed to read it on? (Call me old-fashioned here, but I'm a huge believer in fairness and making sure no one gets left behind 😬).

Plus, I'm not convinced schools will be able to afford it financially.
To start with.
In the long run, absolutely.
Chloe Roberts2 Chloe Roberts2 Active Member
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#494 ·
rowdypanther12 said:I haven't read the book in question myself, so I'll take that with a grain of salt, but since I asked what grade level this is for, I still feel like a 17 or 18-year-old shouldn't be shielded from "normal" literature.
By the way, you can find A Song of Ice and Fire in the children's section at most public libraries, which means any ten-year-old could check it out and read it—and that's easily the most explicit book I've come across since reading Marquis de Sade when I was 15.😂

😂 What an absolute idiot, seriously.😵 🤣

Sure, libraries might struggle to stock all these titles, but maybe the solution isn't more dusty paperbacks, but rather switching to e-books.
There's a whole digital library platform online where students can just log in using those AII accounts they get through school, giving them instant access to the entire required reading list.
silentraven6 silentraven6 Regular
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#495 ·
So, I just spent some time scrolling through the official event database to see how the experts are reacting (I can’t exactly promote other forums here, so I’ll just be descriptive—we don't have a dedicated thread for this kind of thing and wouldn't be allowed to start one), and honestly? I’m feeling pretty energized about it.

There’s a lot of disagreement happening, people are debating, and they’re planning to post objections and suggestions publicly on sites meant for open discussion. Even the folks who actually wrote the old curricula are chiming in. To me, it feels like a sleeping giant has finally woken up from a long winter nap. Regardless, it looks like there's a real future here; once people start offering ways to improve things, you know there's actual passion and purpose behind the movement.

Personally, I feel like they should grant another year to really refine the documents, put together the handbooks and textbooks, and actually get professionals involved in the public debate. It wouldn't hurt to hammer all of this out before they try any experimental rollouts.

The part I found most interesting was the approach to math and the sciences. I did a little digging into how they handle foreign languages too. Regarding math, I think the approach is solid. For a layperson like me, the easiest example is exponents and percentages. They aren't being saved for the later grades as isolated topics anymore; instead, they're moving them earlier, even up to fifth grade, and then building on them later. That seems incredibly logical to me—introducing kids to powers of 10 and basic percentage concepts early on will definitely help them master physics and chemistry down the road. If I remember correctly, back when I was in school, everything was just thrown at us all at once, even though we were already hitting physics and chemistry where those concepts are fundamental. This way, the basics are already there, making it much easier to absorb new material.

If there are any actual experts in here, please correct me if I'm wrong. I'm just speaking from personal experience, not professional expertise.

On the flip side, what really disappointed me was the total lack of discussion regarding the English language. Everything seems to have been boiled down to just reading assignments.
Sarah Hall53 Sarah Hall53 Regular
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#496 ·
If we’re talking about the same forum here, honestly, you might just want to register—assuming you haven't already—and start your own thread. There are so many empty discussions just sitting there waiting for someone to kick things off... I really think people would jump in to talk about it. Especially those non-native speakers who are basically pulling their hair out over how grammatical concepts and sentence structures just don't seem to line up between an American's native tongue and a second language. It's such a headache for them.
Larry Walker24 Larry Walker24 Veteran
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#497 ·
Yo, here’s the NEW reading list
Susan James Susan James Veteran
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#498 ·
Hey there, they say it's happening

And guess what? Schools are being selected at the 🙏 🙏 🙏
competition.
rowdypanther12 rowdypanther12 Regular
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#499 ·
So, the schools haven't been selected yet?
We have a new principal at my school, and I'm just crossing my fingers that she's enthusiastic and proactive enough to actually get us signed up. 😁
Susan James Susan James Veteran
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#500 ·
rowdypanther12 said:So, the schools haven't been selected yet?
We have a new principal at my school, and I'm just crossing my fingers that she's enthusiastic and proactive enough to actually get us signed up. 😁

It looks like they haven't.
Actually, I see that as a major upside, since it keeps everything aligned with the competition schedule. 🙏
(It does sting a little bit, though...
Quincy:
The main rule for selecting schools will be that the faculty has to reach a unanimous decision to participate, and they'll also need parental consent.
Which basically means if even one person at the school is against it, the whole school is out. I really hope they can find 48 schools where everyone is on board.

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