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School Reform: Thoughts?

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Andrew Doyle Andrew Doyle Regular
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joined Aug 2011
#941 ·
Susan James said:I actually really like
this
!
Quincy:
Classes for all students from first through eighth grade will be organized into four blocks: the first runs from September 3rd to October 26th (39 school days), the second from November 5th to December 21st (35 days), the third from January 14th to March 21st (49 days), and the fourth from March 25th to June 14th (52 school days).
Quincy:
They’re introducing a new block scheduling system for subjects. For example, fifth graders in the first and third terms will take geography, art, music, and computer science, but they won't have science, shop class, or history until the second and fourth terms. This approach actually lightens their workload by three or four subjects depending on the week.

This looks Promising, and I truly hope—unlike those previous failed attempts at overhaul—that this actually bears fruit. Specifically, I’m hoping it hits the mark in making school feel less like an exhausting, soul-crushing grind and more like something students actually want to engage with by making the curriculum genuinely interesting.
Furthermore, I sincerely hope these current "technical glitches" are just short-lived hiccups and don't end up leaving us with a bitter taste in our mouths during the rollout.
Drew Hughes10 Drew Hughes10 Member
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joined Jun 2012
#942 ·
Susan James said:I actually really like
this
!
Quincy:
Classes for all students from first through eighth grade will be organized into four blocks: the first runs from September 3rd to October 26th (39 school days), the second from November 5th to December 21st (35 days), the third from January 14th to March 21st (49 days), and the fourth from March 25th to June 14th (52 school days).
Quincy:
They’re introducing a new block scheduling system for subjects. For example, fifth graders in the first and third terms will take geography, art, music, and computer science, but they won't have science, shop class, or history until the second and fourth terms. This approach actually lightens their workload by three or four subjects depending on the week.

My kids' old elementary school—they’re in high school now.

Every year, there's a massive surge in enrollment; they generally don't take transfers from outside the district, so I know families who specifically bought homes in that neighborhood just to get their kids into sixth grade.

It's a solid school. Good for the students, the parents, and—if I had to guess—the teachers too.
Susan James Susan James Veteran
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#943 ·
Drew Hughes10 said:My kids' old elementary school—they’re in high school now.

Every year, there's a massive surge in enrollment; they generally don't take transfers from outside the district, so I know families who specifically bought homes in that neighborhood just to get their kids into sixth grade.

It's a solid school. Good for the students, the parents, and—if I had to guess—the teachers too.

😍
Come on, tell us what made it so good for you and your kids!
There’s so much criticism floating around here, but we really need some positive stories for once. 👍
Drew Hughes10 Drew Hughes10 Member
10 messages
joined Jun 2012
#944 ·
There is plenty to cover.

First and foremost—the academics.
Students at this school generally transition into high school without a hitch because they arrive from their local Elementary School with an incredibly solid foundation. The faculty is a mixed bag, of course—ranging from good to excellent—but I can honestly say none of my children ever had a "bad" teacher.

The school really pushes excellence and puts a lot of energy into working with Gifted Student Day participants. I have to give credit to the teachers there; I know some of them take on that extra work without any additional pay.
Sixth Street has always had students placing in national competitions, particularly in the STEM fields. The administration takes immense pride in every single win.
It’s truly priceless when your daughter, while still in 7th grade at her Elementary School, already knows what she wants to major in—all because a teacher recognized her spark and nurtured it.

The fact that they focus so much on gifted kids is even more impressive considering how much the campus accommodates students with special needs—like those using wheelchairs—so the diversity of the student body is quite significant.

Second, let's talk communication. The principal comes from a tech background, and the school website is actually quite robust.

http://sixthstreet-middle.us-school.edu/

Beyond that, if you ever need a face-to-face meeting, we’ve never had an issue getting hold of a teacher or the principal.

Third, the extracurricular scene at Sixth Street is massive. Home Economics, Junior Techies, Junior Coders, Junior Physicists, the Astronomy Club, Debate, Book Club, Creative Arts, Hiking, Orienteering, Choir, and the school band...
They basically try to facilitate just about every interest imaginable.

On top of all that, the kids experience so much throughout the year.
"Wellness Week" has been a staple for years—a full week of cooking and life-skills competitions (it reminds me of the time my kid spent an entire Sunday afternoon hammering nails into a board just to prep for a competition).
"My 6 Minutes"—a radio segment prepared and broadcast by different classes during recess.
Gifted Student Day—where the kids essentially swap roles with the teachers for a day.
And then there’s "Tea with the Principal," where students can bring suggestions or complaints directly to the head of the school. The principal actually listens and follows through.

They also organize sports days for families, bike rides, and even pet days.
You can see some of this here:
http://sixthstreet-middle.us-school.edu/news (listed on the left side)

Finally, there are those small gestures that brighten your day—like when the custodian fixes a flat tire on your bike so you can get home, or when a member of the custodial staff makes you tea when you're feeling sick, cleans you up without a word of complaint, and keeps an eye on you until your parents arrive.

Why do I think it’s good for the teachers, too? Because based on what my kids tell me, the classroom atmosphere is great. They joke around and laugh a lot, but they also get the work done.

Of course, nothing is perfect. It never is. But looking at the big picture, my personal take is that Sixth Street is a truly excellent school.
Rachel Jones8 Rachel Jones8 Active Member
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joined Dec 2011
#945 ·
Susan James said:I actually really like
this
!
Quincy:
Classes for all students from first through eighth grade will be organized into four blocks: the first runs from September 3rd to October 26th (39 school days), the second from November 5th to December 21st (35 days), the third from January 14th to March 21st (49 days), and the fourth from March 25th to June 14th (52 school days).
Quincy:
They’re introducing a new block scheduling system for subjects. For example, fifth graders in the first and third terms will take geography, art, music, and computer science, but they won't have science, shop class, or history until the second and fourth terms. This approach actually lightens their workload by three or four subjects depending on the week.

This reminds me of the whole Waldorf school vibe. I’ve always been a fan of preschools, and honestly, even elementary school—but I wouldn't enroll my kid in a traditional school. If they had quality preschools on every corner, that’s where I’d put them.
Learning through blocks or "epochs" seems like a solid move. It takes the pressure off students so they can actually get into the material.
Like with most things, if you just take the best parts from different systems, everyone wins.

It’s just such a shame.

We are becoming the only elementary school in the entire country that will offer its students four distinct learning periods, more frequent breaks, and block scheduling.
silentraven6 silentraven6 Regular
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joined Nov 2018
#946 ·
Rachel Jones8 said:This reminds me of the whole Waldorf school vibe. I’ve always been a fan of preschools, and honestly, even elementary school—but I wouldn't enroll my kid in a traditional school. If they had quality preschools on every corner, that’s where I’d put them.
Learning through blocks or "epochs" seems like a solid move. It takes the pressure off students so they can actually get into the material.
Like with most things, if you just take the best parts from different systems, everyone wins.

It’s just such a shame.

We are becoming the only elementary school in the entire country that will offer its students four distinct learning periods, more frequent breaks, and block scheduling.

I'm not entirely sure if the facilities are designed to handle elementary school classes—I haven't looked into the specifics—but regardless, they'll have after-school care, and I assume they'll find a way to work around the holiday schedule somehow.

When it comes to the actual subject matter, I think this is fantastic. We're talking about more independent kids here, and they could honestly benefit from having those breaks between the instructional blocks.
Susan James Susan James Veteran
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#947 ·
I just wanted to share a little update! I’ve been thinking about our recent discussions regarding the changes to the National Vocational Education Curriculum. It’s such a big shift for the local schools, isn't it? I was chatting with a friend over coffee yesterday—she works at a local Elementary School—and she mentioned how much the teachers are adjusting to the new guidelines from the Department. It reminded me of when my own kids first started school; everything felt like it was changing overnight, but they eventually found their rhythm. It feels a bit like that now. I'm curious to hear what everyone else thinks about how these updates will impact the students in the long run. Does anyone feel like the new focus on specific trades is heading in the right direction? Looking forward to hearing your thoughts! kaže:
I’m not entirely sure if they designed these blocks specifically for elementary school classes—I haven't had a chance to dig into the details yet—but regardless, there will be a designated period for them to stay in. I'm feeling pretty optimistic that they'll find a way to work around those holiday breaks too.

When it comes to the actual coursework, I think this is a fantastic move. These kids are already becoming so independent, and honestly, having some breathing room between their study blocks would do them a world of good.

I definitely think we could all use a bit more downtime.
I really think we should stop tying the spring break holidays directly to Easter.
If it works out, great. If not, oh well. That's just how it goes.
It feels like we're already running behind the curve this year. 😠
So, right after that, we head straight into the May Day holiday. But before we get to the break, we’ve got this massive block of classes to power through first.
That doesn't seem right.
There’s nothing for the students, nothing for the teachers, and honestly, probably nothing for me as a parent either—since, theoretically, you can't just pack up and leave a place like Chicago for more than a weekend at a time.
Rachel Jones8 Rachel Jones8 Active Member
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joined Dec 2011
#948 ·
Not quite, but more like this:
Lower grade students will have project days throughout the year where they can really dive deep into a single subject—like Social Studies—which should help lighten their weekly workload. As for fourth graders, Music and the Art Department will be taught in blocks. For example, during blocks 1 and 3, classes A and B will focus on Music, while C and D take Art, and then they'll swap.
Larry Walker24 Larry Walker24 Veteran
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joined Jun 2022
#949 ·
American news outlets are blowing up today because students in some three-year vocational schools—the ones testing out this new "dual program" this year—are losing biology, history, chemistry, physics, and geography.

According to the Department, this currently only hits four specific trades: retail, cosmetology, chimney sweeps, and glassmakers. But give it two years, and they want this dual program rolled out to every single three-year vocational school in the country.

Some teachers are claiming they didn't even hear about this decision from the Department until late August. This is huge because it could mean their teaching hours get slashed or they end up out of a job entirely.

The Department, however, is pushing back, saying this dual program isn't anything new and they've been working on it for years. They're playing it down as just an experimental pilot in a handful of schools. They claim it aligns perfectly with the National Vocational Education Curriculum and was built by a bunch of experts. The whole idea is to lighten the load on general subjects that aren't "essential" to the trade, so kids can focus more on the actual jobs they'll be doing.

more info here:

TOTAL DISASTER!!!! 🤦🤦🤦🤦
Susan James Susan James Veteran
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#950 ·
Larry Walker24 said:American news outlets are blowing up today because students in some three-year vocational schools—the ones testing out this new "dual program" this year—are losing biology, history, chemistry, physics, and geography.

According to the Department, this currently only hits four specific trades: retail, cosmetology, chimney sweeps, and glassmakers. But give it two years, and they want this dual program rolled out to every single three-year vocational school in the country.

Some teachers are claiming they didn't even hear about this decision from the Department until late August. This is huge because it could mean their teaching hours get slashed or they end up out of a job entirely.

The Department, however, is pushing back, saying this dual program isn't anything new and they've been working on it for years. They're playing it down as just an experimental pilot in a handful of schools. They claim it aligns perfectly with the National Vocational Education Curriculum and was built by a bunch of experts. The whole idea is to lighten the load on general subjects that aren't "essential" to the trade, so kids can focus more on the actual jobs they'll be doing.

more info here:

TOTAL DISASTER!!!! 🤦🤦🤦🤦

I mean, religious studies basically covers all those topics anyway.
☕
Brandon Foster7 Brandon Foster7 Active Member
56 messages
joined Dec 2018
#951 ·
Maybe we should just scrap schools entirely and send kids straight to church instead.
Total Middle Ages vibes.
Really hoping someone with half a brain stops this circus before it gets out of hand.
Robert Rodriguez9 Robert Rodriguez9 Active Member
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joined Sep 2018
#952 ·
Brandon Foster7 said:Maybe we should just scrap schools entirely and send kids straight to church instead.
Total Middle Ages vibes.
Really hoping someone with half a brain stops this circus before it gets out of hand.

The sad part is, nobody will.
Larry Walker24 Larry Walker24 Veteran
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joined Jun 2022
#953 ·
Robert Rodriguez9 said:The sad part is, nobody will.

sad news
restlesssailor3 restlesssailor3 Member
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joined Sep 2018
#954 ·
Let’s be real: this reform isn't going to achieve a single thing.
Christian Wilson28 Christian Wilson28 Member
49 messages
joined Nov 2018
#955 ·
Why on earth are we recruiting people for sales roles, seriously? what's the deal?
Robert Rodriguez9 Robert Rodriguez9 Active Member
173 messages
joined Sep 2018
#956 ·
They need to learn how to count cash, weigh items, stock the shelves, and type on a register, because I honestly don't know what else those pathetic retail workers do all day. If you've got connections, maybe you'll bump up to shift lead or branch manager, but even then, the owner will probably give you some extra "training" just to get you there.
Matthew Castillo5 Matthew Castillo5 Regular
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joined Apr 2013
#957 ·
Christian Wilson28 said:Why on earth are we recruiting people for sales roles, seriously? what's the deal?

Look, the sales major is usually where they funnel students who were on specialized learning plans back in middle school because they couldn't quite keep up with the standard curriculum.
Nicholas King Nicholas King Regular
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joined Jan 2023
#958 ·
Larry Walker24 said:American news outlets are blowing up today because students in some three-year vocational schools—the ones testing out this new "dual program" this year—are losing biology, history, chemistry, physics, and geography.

According to the Department, this currently only hits four specific trades: retail, cosmetology, chimney sweeps, and glassmakers. But give it two years, and they want this dual program rolled out to every single three-year vocational school in the country.

Some teachers are claiming they didn't even hear about this decision from the Department until late August. This is huge because it could mean their teaching hours get slashed or they end up out of a job entirely.

The Department, however, is pushing back, saying this dual program isn't anything new and they've been working on it for years. They're playing it down as just an experimental pilot in a handful of schools. They claim it aligns perfectly with the National Vocational Education Curriculum and was built by a bunch of experts. The whole idea is to lighten the load on general subjects that aren't "essential" to the trade, so kids can focus more on the actual jobs they'll be doing.

more info here:

TOTAL DISASTER!!!! 🤦🤦🤦🤦

What exactly constitutes a "disaster" here—aside from you being personally stressed about your job prospects?

Before you go throwing a million facepalms around, I suppose you might want to actually look into how these vocational apprenticeship programs work and what the training process involves in the US.
nimblelynx7 nimblelynx7 Regular
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joined Jul 2016
#959 ·
Christian Wilson28 said:Why on earth are we recruiting people for sales roles, seriously? what's the deal?

I don't get it either. Vocational trade schools—along with those technical textile programs—should just be scrapped entirely. Tear down the buildings and turn them into a field or a playground.

Larry Walker24 said:American news outlets are blowing up today because students in some three-year vocational schools—the ones testing out this new "dual program" this year—are losing biology, history, chemistry, physics, and geography.

According to the Department, this currently only hits four specific trades: retail, cosmetology, chimney sweeps, and glassmakers. But give it two years, and they want this dual program rolled out to every single three-year vocational school in the country.

Some teachers are claiming they didn't even hear about this decision from the Department until late August. This is huge because it could mean their teaching hours get slashed or they end up out of a job entirely.

The Department, however, is pushing back, saying this dual program isn't anything new and they've been working on it for years. They're playing it down as just an experimental pilot in a handful of schools. They claim it aligns perfectly with the National Vocational Education Curriculum and was built by a bunch of experts. The whole idea is to lighten the load on general subjects that aren't "essential" to the trade, so kids can focus more on the actual jobs they'll be doing.

more info here:

TOTAL DISASTER!!!! 🤦🤦🤦🤦

I fail to see why cutting history and other general subjects from vocational high schools is considered catastrophic.

Everyone already finished middle school. They spent years studying everything from ancient civilizations to the American Civil War. What critical knowledge are they actually losing if they haven't heard it yet?

That time could be much better spent on specialized training and, more importantly, hands-on internships.

Now everyone is whining about the fate of teachers in public schools or those at state universities. It always comes back to this: blaming the education system because of teacher salaries, printing costs, or keeping old school buildings from falling apart.
Larry Walker24 Larry Walker24 Veteran
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#960 ·
Nicholas King said:What exactly constitutes a "disaster" here—aside from you being personally stressed about your job prospects?

Before you go throwing a million facepalms around, I suppose you might want to actually look into how these vocational apprenticeship programs work and what the training process involves in the US.

I'm in STEM. 😉

I mean, they already spent eight years grinding through American language classes, so why on earth are we dragging this out for another three? It makes zero sense.

What does a tailor need trigonometry for, and why on earth would a bricklayer be messing around with complex numbers?

Why don't we just scrap all the general education requirements? I mean, besides foreign languages, why are we even wasting time on them?

Does a salesman actually give a damn about Anna Karenina?

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