What are the results of your spiritual journey?

Linda Kelly51 said:I completely agree with your point.

Essentially, this means all religions and spiritual techniques are futile.
True spirituality is simply being natural and spontaneous—acting out of an internal impulse, like love. It has nothing to do with performing good deeds because of faith, nor does it involve specific techniques used to reach some arbitrary goal. Those things are artificial and, spiritually speaking, worthless.

That is one of the core lessons we will finally grasp after we die...

Because you'll already be dead and stuff, so you'll know, right?

wearyowl29 said:Well, if they're converging, then you’ve either got the wrong detergent or you’re running your washing machine on the wrong cycle...😁

I’m starting to get this sinking feeling that we’re all just donkeys on a treadmill—running ourselves ragged, sweating through our shirts, thinking we’re actually getting somewhere when, in reality, we're just spinning our wheels in the same damn spot. It’s exhausting, honestly. I was sitting there the other day—just staring at my coffee, mind you—thinking about how much energy we pour into these endless cycles, chasing after things that move the goalposts every single time we get close. It feels futile. Just... circular. I can't access external links or view images directly through that URL, so I'm flying blind here. If you want me to take a crack at this, you'll need to upload the image or just describe what's going on in it—give me the details, the context, or even just a quick summary of what the hell we're looking at. Once you do that, I can get to work rewriting it properly.

It’s like God is some kind of cosmic greyhound—just constantly chasing things down. Think about it: the whole technology of our existence is basically designed like a bunch of donkeys tied to a central stake with a rope that's exactly the length of their stride. You've got this hound driving them in circles, right? But here's the catch—as they run, the rope keeps winding tighter and tighter, shrinking their world until they're forced into this suffocating little loop. They get squeezed closer and closer to the center until they eventually hit the middle and have to stop dead in their tracks. Then, suddenly, the direction flips. They start running the other way, the rope begins to unwind, and they get a little more breathing room before the whole cycle starts all over again. It's an endless, tightening spiral—an exhausting, repetitive grind that just keeps looping back on itself. 😲😁

Ryan Wilson2 said:And what exactly does "personal growth" entail here? Does it simply mean becoming more adept at conforming to every social sphere?

Real power comes down to whoever has the bigger stick.

>>32>>Changing your mindset won't do you much good when your primal instincts take over.

Personal growth—it’s about actually getting to know yourself, God, the world, the people around you... figuring out who you want to be and then actually living that way.

Shifting your mindset and building awareness is exactly what gives me the leverage to actually control my impulses and those old habits I picked up along the way. It means I'm not just some slave to instinct acting on autopilot; I actually get to make a choice.

And honestly, there are plenty of things much more potent than just brute force. 😉

Scott Miller4 said:Yeah, honestly, aiming for the stars while your fridge is empty and your stomach is growling... that’s a quick path to neurosis.

Sure.
But even the fact that you reached out for a spiritual technique suggests there are expectations and desires lurking under the surface.

Self-interest can be pretty well disguised. It doesn't have to mean you're doing good specifically to grab a prize; it could just be the drive to feel good about yourself because you did something good. Which, if we're being honest, is still a form of looking out for yourself. 🙂

Something I can't quite put into words (I'm not really sure 😁), happened to me once while I was translating a sacred text. It hasn't happened since, and it never happened before.
When my translation was approved, they told me I could expect "spiritual blessings." When it actually happened, I was thrilled at first, but then I seriously considered getting a brain scan. Since it never happened again, I'm pretty sure it was just a projection caused by the excitement and the whole buildup about those "blessings."

Give us a little more detail about that other world. 🙂

Not necessarily—someone might try out different techniques just to see what they're like, or out of pure curiosity to see what kind of shifts they trigger. That doesn't have to involve expecting any specific result.

Yeah, sure, self-interest can be disguised. Feeling happy after doing something good might be the main driver, or it might just be a nice side effect. Look at it this way: if something can make us happy faster and easier, why would anyone bother taking the hard road by giving their time, effort, or money to others? I've got nothing against looking out for yourself in the process, but I just want to point out that it isn't always the primary motivation.

Nicholas Gonzalez8 said:Look, psychology is an interesting field, and a truly great psychologist can definitely help someone make personal strides, but there are specific spiritual dimensions that psychology—and psychologists—just don't grasp and tend to ignore entirely.

I believe true strength actually comes from that very tolerance, wisdom, and knowledge mentioned earlier. So, it’s definitely not a waste of time.

It’s hard to view the world in strictly black and white. There are plenty of shades of gray in between—just like there are people who are deeply tied to material stuff and worldly habits, and then there are those who aren't attached to any of it at all.

And honestly, I think physical evolution mostly starts with a spiritual one... a shift in how we think and live our lives.

From everyone I've met, just living a comfortable life isn't enough for most. And really, considering how many questions we ask throughout our lives, it’s hard to argue that we aren't searching for truth. It’s just that sometimes we lose our way on that path and end up putting way too much importance on things that don't matter. I respect your perspective, but I firmly believe we are much more than just the sum of our influences and circumstances. Some individuals prove that every single day.

People have massive potential, in every sense of the word. But by obsessing over control, we actually end up losing it.

I definitely agree with the bold part. 🙂

Nicholas Gonzalez8 said:Personal growth—it’s about actually getting to know yourself, God, the world, the people around you... figuring out who you want to be and then actually living that way.

Shifting your mindset and building awareness is exactly what gives me the leverage to actually control my impulses and those old habits I picked up along the way. It means I'm not just some slave to instinct acting on autopilot; I actually get to make a choice.

And honestly, there are plenty of things much more potent than just brute force. 😉

Not necessarily—someone might try out different techniques just to see what they're like, or out of pure curiosity to see what kind of shifts they trigger. That doesn't have to involve expecting any specific result.

Yeah, sure, self-interest can be disguised. Feeling happy after doing something good might be the main driver, or it might just be a nice side effect. Look at it this way: if something can make us happy faster and easier, why would anyone bother taking the hard road by giving their time, effort, or money to others? I've got nothing against looking out for yourself in the process, but I just want to point out that it isn't always the primary motivation.

Why shouldn't "progress" be defined by chasing sex, alcohol, or drugs?

You are boxed in by the law, by morality, and by the society you inhabit; you simply aren't given a real choice. Fear is what governs people. The fear of breaking the law, the fear of starvation, the fear of death.
One can overcome that fear either by hitting a massive Powerball jackpot or by perfecting a sense of total detachment to rise above material concerns. Both are extremes, yet both work.

Sure, two beatings might do the trick.

Ryan Wilson2 said:Why shouldn't "progress" be defined by chasing sex, alcohol, or drugs?

You are boxed in by the law, by morality, and by the society you inhabit; you simply aren't given a real choice. Fear is what governs people. The fear of breaking the law, the fear of starvation, the fear of death.
One can overcome that fear either by hitting a massive Powerball jackpot or by perfecting a sense of total detachment to rise above material concerns. Both are extremes, yet both work.

Sure, two beatings might do the trick.

Because you don't actually need spirituality for stuff like that.

To me, spirituality is about uncovering the truth, or trying to figure out who we actually are.

I just framed the topic this way to see what's shifted over time. I highly doubt anyone actually reaches Nirvana or finally meets God after fifteen years of some spiritual routine or technique, but I figured there’d still be some interesting stories—some more interesting than others.

People usually treat "spirituality" as a way to double down on their own prejudices. Personally, I think we've made real progress if people start actually breaking those biases down.

Sure, if you're looking for a way to de-stress, sex is a pretty decent stress reliever. But what happens when you grow out of that phase and start wanting to actually understand reality?...🤷

Ryan Wilson2 said:Why shouldn't "progress" be defined by chasing sex, alcohol, or drugs?

You are boxed in by the law, by morality, and by the society you inhabit; you simply aren't given a real choice. Fear is what governs people. The fear of breaking the law, the fear of starvation, the fear of death.
One can overcome that fear either by hitting a massive Powerball jackpot or by perfecting a sense of total detachment to rise above material concerns. Both are extremes, yet both work.

Sure, two beatings might do the trick.

I never said personal growth couldn't involve a life filled with sex, alcohol, and drugs—provided you actually realize that's who you are and what you truly want. But for most people, it doesn't work out that way... it’s like a kid dreaming about buying a mountain of toys when they grow up. Eventually, when they actually do grow up, the toys just don't interest them anymore.

Nicholas Gonzalez8 said:Personal growth—it’s about actually getting to know yourself, God, the world, the people around you... figuring out who you want to be and then actually living that way.

Shifting your mindset and building awareness is exactly what gives me the leverage to actually control my impulses and those old habits I picked up along the way. It means I'm not just some slave to instinct acting on autopilot; I actually get to make a choice.

And honestly, there are plenty of things much more potent than just brute force. 😉

Not necessarily—someone might try out different techniques just to see what they're like, or out of pure curiosity to see what kind of shifts they trigger. That doesn't have to involve expecting any specific result.

Yeah, sure, self-interest can be disguised. Feeling happy after doing something good might be the main driver, or it might just be a nice side effect. Look at it this way: if something can make us happy faster and easier, why would anyone bother taking the hard road by giving their time, effort, or money to others? I've got nothing against looking out for yourself in the process, but I just want to point out that it isn't always the primary motivation.

I agree it could work that way, but usually, it doesn't. It certainly doesn't for me.
In general, it's not always about expecting a specific outcome, but you can't really deny that there's some level of expectation involved in forming the very motivation to start in the first place...

I haven't met anyone who isn't motivated by some kind of benefit. You can define that benefit however you want, but as long as it falls within the realm of pleasure or reducing suffering—it's a benefit. 🙂

Ryan Wilson2 said:Why shouldn't "progress" be defined by chasing sex, alcohol, or drugs?

You are boxed in by the law, by morality, and by the society you inhabit; you simply aren't given a real choice. Fear is what governs people. The fear of breaking the law, the fear of starvation, the fear of death.
One can overcome that fear either by hitting a massive Powerball jackpot or by perfecting a sense of total detachment to rise above material concerns. Both are extremes, yet both work.

Sure, two beatings might do the trick.

They're actually two sides of the same coin.
The Aghore are a good example.

Scott Miller4 said:I agree it could work that way, but usually, it doesn't. It certainly doesn't for me.
In general, it's not always about expecting a specific outcome, but you can't really deny that there's some level of expectation involved in forming the very motivation to start in the first place...

I haven't met anyone who isn't motivated by some kind of benefit. You can define that benefit however you want, but as long as it falls within the realm of pleasure or reducing suffering—it's a benefit. 🙂

They're actually two sides of the same coin.
The Aghore are a good example.

Slackers, freeloaders, and junkies.🧐

Scott Miller4 said:I agree it could work that way, but usually, it doesn't. It certainly doesn't for me.
In general, it's not always about expecting a specific outcome, but you can't really deny that there's some level of expectation involved in forming the very motivation to start in the first place...

I haven't met anyone who isn't motivated by some kind of benefit. You can define that benefit however you want, but as long as it falls within the realm of pleasure or reducing suffering—it's a benefit. 🙂

They're actually two sides of the same coin.
The Aghore are a good example.

So, I guess you haven't actually met Jesus Christ yet. ☕

Benjamin Taylor6 said:I’m starting to get this sinking feeling that we’re all just donkeys on a treadmill—running ourselves ragged, sweating through our shirts, thinking we’re actually getting somewhere when, in reality, we're just spinning our wheels in the same damn spot. It’s exhausting, honestly. I was sitting there the other day—just staring at my coffee, mind you—thinking about how much energy we pour into these endless cycles, chasing after things that move the goalposts every single time we get close. It feels futile. Just... circular. I can't access external links or view images directly through that URL, so I'm flying blind here. If you want me to take a crack at this, you'll need to upload the image or just describe what's going on in it—give me the details, the context, or even just a quick summary of what the hell we're looking at. Once you do that, I can get to work rewriting it properly.

It’s like God is some kind of cosmic greyhound—just constantly chasing things down. Think about it: the whole technology of our existence is basically designed like a bunch of donkeys tied to a central stake with a rope that's exactly the length of their stride. You've got this hound driving them in circles, right? But here's the catch—as they run, the rope keeps winding tighter and tighter, shrinking their world until they're forced into this suffocating little loop. They get squeezed closer and closer to the center until they eventually hit the middle and have to stop dead in their tracks. Then, suddenly, the direction flips. They start running the other way, the rope begins to unwind, and they get a little more breathing room before the whole cycle starts all over again. It's an endless, tightening spiral—an exhausting, repetitive grind that just keeps looping back on itself. 😲😁

This isn't even funny—and honestly, it has nothing to do with the topic. It’s just pure trolling!! 👎

Benjamin Taylor6 said:I’m starting to get this sinking feeling that we’re all just donkeys on a treadmill—running ourselves ragged, sweating through our shirts, thinking we’re actually getting somewhere when, in reality, we're just spinning our wheels in the same damn spot. It’s exhausting, honestly. I was sitting there the other day—just staring at my coffee, mind you—thinking about how much energy we pour into these endless cycles, chasing after things that move the goalposts every single time we get close. It feels futile. Just... circular. I can't access external links or view images directly through that URL, so I'm flying blind here. If you want me to take a crack at this, you'll need to upload the image or just describe what's going on in it—give me the details, the context, or even just a quick summary of what the hell we're looking at. Once you do that, I can get to work rewriting it properly.

It’s like God is some kind of cosmic greyhound—just constantly chasing things down. Think about it: the whole technology of our existence is basically designed like a bunch of donkeys tied to a central stake with a rope that's exactly the length of their stride. You've got this hound driving them in circles, right? But here's the catch—as they run, the rope keeps winding tighter and tighter, shrinking their world until they're forced into this suffocating little loop. They get squeezed closer and closer to the center until they eventually hit the middle and have to stop dead in their tracks. Then, suddenly, the direction flips. They start running the other way, the rope begins to unwind, and they get a little more breathing room before the whole cycle starts all over again. It's an endless, tightening spiral—an exhausting, repetitive grind that just keeps looping back on itself. 😲😁

In one sense, that description is spot on, but it is a cycle that absolutely must be overcome.

That is why I have such immense respect for Israelis; they possess the sheer courage required to stand up against their own God and strive to prevail, much like how Jacob wrestled and overcame him.
I fear that the Western world is currently a long way from embodying that kind of wisdom.

Ryan Wilson2 said:Why shouldn't "progress" be defined by chasing sex, alcohol, or drugs?

You are boxed in by the law, by morality, and by the society you inhabit; you simply aren't given a real choice. Fear is what governs people. The fear of breaking the law, the fear of starvation, the fear of death.
One can overcome that fear either by hitting a massive Powerball jackpot or by perfecting a sense of total detachment to rise above material concerns. Both are extremes, yet both work.

Sure, two beatings might do the trick.

I guess for some people, it only clicks once they’ve actually lived through the wreckage—when you've hit rock bottom and find yourself in that desperate, feverish hunt for just one more shot, or another cheap beer, or whatever it is. It’s only when you’re actually sweating from the sheer misery of it all that you might finally realize, "Yeah, I really messed this up." But honestly? That realization is still progress. At least after the dust settles, you can turn around and warn someone else that this path leads straight to addiction and ruin. It’s the same deal with anything else—too much screen time, binge-watching TV, overeating—it all follows the same pattern. You have to watch out for any kind of extreme. Life is really just about finding that middle ground and keeping everything in balance.

It’s actually a really effective method if you just sit down and ask yourself these two questions—and I mean, be brutally honest when you answer them. If you do that, you’ll always make the right call because your inner voice, your gut, or your intuition—whatever you want to call it—will tell you exactly what needs to happen.

Can you handle this?

Do you actually feel like this is good for you?

Now, listen to what that inner voice is telling you... For instance, could you actually go out and get drunk? What does that voice say?
He tells me, "Look, you're a big guy—you can take a hit like a champ."

So, moving on to question number two—apparently, I've been told that isn't exactly the right move for me.
I've just got this gut feeling—it's telling me this isn't really my thing.
Give it a shot with whatever you want.
If you feel like you can actually pull it off—if you truly have the talent for it—then go for it.
And hey, if you truly feel like that's what's best for you—then go for it. Go for it! 👍

You’re boxed in—by the law, by morality, and by the very society you live in. You don't really have a choice in the matter. It all comes down to fear, honestly. People are just driven by fear—fear of breaking the law, fear of going hungry, and that deep, underlying fear of death.
Fear is a tricky thing—you can either try to drown it out by hitting the Powerball jackpot, or you can work on mastering yourself through something like martial arts to rise above the need for material things. Both are extreme paths, honestly, but they both get the job done.

Yeah, two beatings.

You always have a choice—even if that choice is just jumping off a bridge... the only thing actually holding you back is your own head. You can't conquer fear, even if you hit the Powerball jackpot a thousand times over. Not even that deep, existential kind of fear. At the end of the day, the mind is the devil, and fear is far too dear to him to ever let go of the control it has over you.

bluemason3 said:Slackers, freeloaders, and junkies.🧐

And who exactly are you supposed to be? Are you kidding me??!!!

How do you even have the nerve? Seriously, where do you get off acting like you're God—or some kind of supreme judge over everyone else?!!!

I won't bother responding to every single individual comment here, but I will state my position clearly: I do not believe the results of spiritual work are dictated by the specific temperament of the seeker. Nor do I subscribe to the notion that an individual possesses greater value simply because they choose to abstain from material pleasures.

Until we effectively confront and dismantle our fears, we remain incapable of discovering our true essence. We are all living in a profound illusion if we genuinely believe we have mastered our physical impulses, or that social norms exert any meaningful control over them.

It is a self-perpetuating cycle; our inherent conditioning makes it nearly impossible to break free from this fear without a radical shift.

So, get on with it. 😁

Ryan Wilson2 said:I won't bother responding to every single individual comment here, but I will state my position clearly: I do not believe the results of spiritual work are dictated by the specific temperament of the seeker. Nor do I subscribe to the notion that an individual possesses greater value simply because they choose to abstain from material pleasures.

Until we effectively confront and dismantle our fears, we remain incapable of discovering our true essence. We are all living in a profound illusion if we genuinely believe we have mastered our physical impulses, or that social norms exert any meaningful control over them.

It is a self-perpetuating cycle; our inherent conditioning makes it nearly impossible to break free from this fear without a radical shift.

So, get on with it. 😁

Thank God we can't actually get rid of fear (which is just hormone-driven anyway). If we did, we wouldn't survive long enough to enjoy life. I saw this documentary recently about a woman who had zero fear, and she was constantly getting into accidents or getting hurt because she had no survival instinct.

That’s just physical fear. But living with that constant psychological dread... well, we all know exactly how that goes 😉

nimbleranger5 said:I guess for some people, it only clicks once they’ve actually lived through the wreckage—when you've hit rock bottom and find yourself in that desperate, feverish hunt for just one more shot, or another cheap beer, or whatever it is. It’s only when you’re actually sweating from the sheer misery of it all that you might finally realize, "Yeah, I really messed this up." But honestly? That realization is still progress. At least after the dust settles, you can turn around and warn someone else that this path leads straight to addiction and ruin. It’s the same deal with anything else—too much screen time, binge-watching TV, overeating—it all follows the same pattern. You have to watch out for any kind of extreme. Life is really just about finding that middle ground and keeping everything in balance.

It’s actually a really effective method if you just sit down and ask yourself these two questions—and I mean, be brutally honest when you answer them. If you do that, you’ll always make the right call because your inner voice, your gut, or your intuition—whatever you want to call it—will tell you exactly what needs to happen.

Can you handle this?

Do you actually feel like this is good for you?

Now, listen to what that inner voice is telling you... For instance, could you actually go out and get drunk? What does that voice say?
He tells me, "Look, you're a big guy—you can take a hit like a champ."

So, moving on to question number two—apparently, I've been told that isn't exactly the right move for me.
I've just got this gut feeling—it's telling me this isn't really my thing.
Give it a shot with whatever you want.
If you feel like you can actually pull it off—if you truly have the talent for it—then go for it.
And hey, if you truly feel like that's what's best for you—then go for it. Go for it! 👍

You’re boxed in—by the law, by morality, and by the very society you live in. You don't really have a choice in the matter. It all comes down to fear, honestly. People are just driven by fear—fear of breaking the law, fear of going hungry, and that deep, underlying fear of death.
Fear is a tricky thing—you can either try to drown it out by hitting the Powerball jackpot, or you can work on mastering yourself through something like martial arts to rise above the need for material things. Both are extreme paths, honestly, but they both get the job done.

Yeah, two beatings.

You always have a choice—even if that choice is just jumping off a bridge... the only thing actually holding you back is your own head. You can't conquer fear, even if you hit the Powerball jackpot a thousand times over. Not even that deep, existential kind of fear. At the end of the day, the mind is the devil, and fear is far too dear to him to ever let go of the control it has over you.

And who exactly are you supposed to be? Are you kidding me??!!!

How do you even have the nerve? Seriously, where do you get off acting like you're God—or some kind of supreme judge over everyone else?!!!

The questions are solid, really. The only catch is figuring out where the answer to that second question is actually coming from. Is it coming from your heart (or whatever) or is it just your ego? Or maybe some subconscious programming stuck in your head from bad experiences, or fear of authority, or being terrified of what people think...
When you look at all this "self-improvement" stuff, most of the work is basically dealing with these different voices in your head, and there's a lot of room to maneuver there. Everything else, if you ask me, is just avoiding facing
that specific part of yourself.
I seriously doubt we'd ever have the ability to reach a goal, gain knowledge, find talent, or experience love if those things weren't ultimately good for us.

Jesse Price5 said:Because you'll already be dead and stuff, so you'll know, right?

No, I was very much alive when I heard...

bluemason3 said:Slackers, freeloaders, and junkies.🧐

Do you see what your buddy down there just said to you? Is that really what you were looking for? 🤣

nimbleranger5 said:So, I guess you haven't actually met Jesus Christ yet. ☕

This isn't even funny—and honestly, it has nothing to do with the topic. It’s just pure trolling!! 👎

No, I haven't. And honestly, I have no idea where one even goes to meet him.

nimbleranger5 said:I guess for some people, it only clicks once they’ve actually lived through the wreckage—when you've hit rock bottom and find yourself in that desperate, feverish hunt for just one more shot, or another cheap beer, or whatever it is. It’s only when you’re actually sweating from the sheer misery of it all that you might finally realize, "Yeah, I really messed this up." But honestly? That realization is still progress. At least after the dust settles, you can turn around and warn someone else that this path leads straight to addiction and ruin. It’s the same deal with anything else—too much screen time, binge-watching TV, overeating—it all follows the same pattern. You have to watch out for any kind of extreme. Life is really just about finding that middle ground and keeping everything in balance.

It’s actually a really effective method if you just sit down and ask yourself these two questions—and I mean, be brutally honest when you answer them. If you do that, you’ll always make the right call because your inner voice, your gut, or your intuition—whatever you want to call it—will tell you exactly what needs to happen.

Can you handle this?

Do you actually feel like this is good for you?

Now, listen to what that inner voice is telling you... For instance, could you actually go out and get drunk? What does that voice say?
He tells me, "Look, you're a big guy—you can take a hit like a champ."

So, moving on to question number two—apparently, I've been told that isn't exactly the right move for me.
I've just got this gut feeling—it's telling me this isn't really my thing.
Give it a shot with whatever you want.
If you feel like you can actually pull it off—if you truly have the talent for it—then go for it.
And hey, if you truly feel like that's what's best for you—then go for it. Go for it! 👍

You’re boxed in—by the law, by morality, and by the very society you live in. You don't really have a choice in the matter. It all comes down to fear, honestly. People are just driven by fear—fear of breaking the law, fear of going hungry, and that deep, underlying fear of death.
Fear is a tricky thing—you can either try to drown it out by hitting the Powerball jackpot, or you can work on mastering yourself through something like martial arts to rise above the need for material things. Both are extreme paths, honestly, but they both get the job done.

Yeah, two beatings.

You always have a choice—even if that choice is just jumping off a bridge... the only thing actually holding you back is your own head. You can't conquer fear, even if you hit the Powerball jackpot a thousand times over. Not even that deep, existential kind of fear. At the end of the day, the mind is the devil, and fear is far too dear to him to ever let go of the control it has over you.

And who exactly are you supposed to be? Are you kidding me??!!!

How do you even have the nerve? Seriously, where do you get off acting like you're God—or some kind of supreme judge over everyone else?!!!

That’s assuming you can just wipe away everything you've been taught since preschool—all those lectures about how alcohol is bad, how it destroys families, how it ruins your health, and all that other garbage. I guess you're just a blank slate, so none of that upbringing actually stuck or formed any real convictions for you, right?

bluemason3 said:Slackers, freeloaders, and junkies.🧐

It isn't exactly an undesirable way to live... unless, of course, you much prefer the standard 9-to-5 grind, bowing down to bosses and clients, eating pizza without a beer, and being suffocated by social norms. 😁

To provide a trivial example: someone like Aghora could walk around wearing mismatched socks. Would anyone in this thread actually dare show up to their job wearing different socks, or is the fear of being judged simply too overwhelming? 😁

Scott Miller4 said:Do you see what your buddy down there just said to you? Is that really what you were looking for? 🤣

No, I haven't. And honestly, I have no idea where one even goes to meet him.

That’s assuming you can just wipe away everything you've been taught since preschool—all those lectures about how alcohol is bad, how it destroys families, how it ruins your health, and all that other garbage. I guess you're just a blank slate, so none of that upbringing actually stuck or formed any real convictions for you, right?

Yeah, he totally read me. Almost enlightened me. It was a sort of Zen-style brutality. 😳

I'm still processing all this newfound wisdom. 😳

Edit: wait, are you talking about El Dorado or Bafia? 🤔

Ryan Wilson2 said:It isn't exactly an undesirable way to live... unless, of course, you much prefer the standard 9-to-5 grind, bowing down to bosses and clients, eating pizza without a beer, and being suffocated by social norms. 😁

To provide a trivial example: someone like Aghora could walk around wearing mismatched socks. Would anyone in this thread actually dare show up to their job wearing different socks, or is the fear of being judged simply too overwhelming? 😁

So, did you give up on the philosophy of "money in your pocket" and the idea that "ascetics just aren't capable of achieving anything in this life"? $67 😁

Where do you think the more extreme taboo-breaking tantrics come from? I doubt they're mostly recruited from wealthy families in high castes. 😳

Drogerasi ☕