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Accounting for Sole Proprietors: Tax & Bookkeeping Tips

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Ashley Vaughn2 Ashley Vaughn2 Newcomer
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#1921 ·
Benjamin Phillips75 said:Would this look right?
5.213x12=62.556

62.556:2088(total fund hours)= $10.00

29.96x630 hours=$6292 mentor compensation

That 5,213.00 figure is gross pay before taxes—not the final take-home amount. I don't have the exact IRS or payroll handbook sitting in front of me, but if we were looking at total employer costs, you'd have to bump that base amount up to account for things like Social Security, Medicare, and unemployment insurance... maybe another 17% or so.
neonsurfer13 neonsurfer13 Active Member
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#1922 ·
I’ve got this customer over in Canada who wants me to ship an item to a post office somewhere near the border, and then he’ll pay for it through the local mail service or at a bank once he's back in the States.
The catch is, he’s asking me for a VAT refund form so he can prove everything at the border and get his sales tax back.
I’ve never dealt with this kind of thing in my life, so I’m completely lost on what the move is here.
Do I actually have to hand over some official paperwork to him, and if so, where am I even supposed to find it?
Does this even affect my own tax filings, or should I just ignore it and treat it like a domestic sale—basically, let him deal with his own business after the transaction is done?
Brenda Chase3 Brenda Chase3 Regular
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joined Dec 2016
#1923 ·
neonsurfer13 said:I’ve got this customer over in Canada who wants me to ship an item to a post office somewhere near the border, and then he’ll pay for it through the local mail service or at a bank once he's back in the States.
The catch is, he’s asking me for a VAT refund form so he can prove everything at the border and get his sales tax back.
I’ve never dealt with this kind of thing in my life, so I’m completely lost on what the move is here.
Do I actually have to hand over some official paperwork to him, and if so, where am I even supposed to find it?
Does this even affect my own tax filings, or should I just ignore it and treat it like a domestic sale—basically, let him deal with his own business after the transaction is done?

https://lider.media/arhiva/80034/

Everything you need to know is laid out right here. Give it a read, and if any part of it feels fuzzy, just let me know. ;-)
neonsurfer13 neonsurfer13 Active Member
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#1924 ·
Brenda Chase3 said:https://lider.media/arhiva/80034/

Everything you need to know is laid out right here. Give it a read, and if any part of it feels fuzzy, just let me know. ;-)

I think I get the gist of it, but I want to make sure I'm not totally missing the mark here:

- So, I issue an invoice and charge sales tax, right?
- Does the customer's address (an address in Canada) need to be on the invoice and also match what's on the tax return form?
- Am I the one responsible for printing and filing the tax return form?
- For the field under "VAT REFUND REQUEST," do I put the actual tax amount there?
- Where exactly in the tax form do I enter that tax amount with a negative sign?
- How am I supposed to log this invoice in my sales records versus my general income and expense ledger? What should I be looking out for?
Brenda Chase3 Brenda Chase3 Regular
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#1925 ·
The specific layout and requirements for the Sales Tax refund form are dictated by the official Tax Code. You can locate the necessary documentation on the official websites for the United States Department of the Treasury and the Internal Revenue Service

When a customer doesn't have a permanent residence or a usual place of abode within the United States, the seller is responsible for issuing the Sales Tax refund form. This document is completed in duplicate; the original is handed directly to the buyer, while the seller keeps a copy for their own internal records.

In this Sales Tax form, the seller must clearly itemize the total amount charged, the net price excluding sales tax, the specific amount of sales tax applied, and the final total of the sales tax being refunded to the customer or claimant.

Typically, the seller charges the customer the full purchase price, which includes sales tax. To determine the exact tax portion included in the sale price, the seller calculates it by applying the applicable tax rate to the total value of the goods sold.

A customer is eligible for a refund of the sales tax paid, provided they submit the certified original of the Sales Tax form to the seller within six months of the invoice date. This certified original essentially serves as the formal request for the tax refund.

If the certified original Sales Tax form is sent via mail, the buyer or claimant should include the specific invoice number associated with the sales tax refund. Please note that any transaction or processing fees related to transferring these funds are the responsibility of the buyer.

Once the seller receives the certified Sales Tax form, they will verify whether the claim meets all the necessary legal criteria for a refund. If everything checks out, the seller then proceeds to return the paid sales tax to the customer or claimant.

The refunded sales tax can be returned in U.S. dollars through either a cash payment or a direct deposit into an account specified by the buyer or claimant. If the refund is handled in cash, the seller is required to issue it immediately; however, if the refund is being sent via bank transfer, it must be processed within 15 days of receiving the request.

Upon receiving a cash refund, the buyer or claimant must sign the Sales Tax form to acknowledge receipt of the funds.

To successfully claim a sales tax refund, a buyer leaving the United States is required to present both their receipts and the purchased goods to Customs for inspection, at which point they can have the original Sales Tax form certified.
Brenda Chase3 Brenda Chase3 Regular
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joined Dec 2016
#1926 ·
neonsurfer13 said:I think I get the gist of it, but I want to make sure I'm not totally missing the mark here:

- So, I issue an invoice and charge sales tax, right?
- Does the customer's address (an address in Canada) need to be on the invoice and also match what's on the tax return form?
- Am I the one responsible for printing and filing the tax return form?
- For the field under "VAT REFUND REQUEST," do I put the actual tax amount there?
- Where exactly in the tax form do I enter that tax amount with a negative sign?
- How am I supposed to log this invoice in my sales records versus my general income and expense ledger? What should I be looking out for?

- Yes, you issue a standard invoice inclusive of sales tax.
- Correct, it needs to be in the customer's name with all their full details included.
- For the refund form, you fill out the general information at the top and then complete the table below (listing the price before tax, the tax itself, and the total amount). We also checked the shipping method box—since our client picked up the goods themselves, we selected option 4.1.
- On the tax return, you will record that negative amount under "Subsequent Export Relief for Personal Passenger Traffic"—specifically under Section II. 14. You’ll input both the base amount and the tax as negatives. Also, don't forget to file the supplemental tax form with the IRS. That needs to be submitted alongside your main return so the IRS knows exactly which invoice corresponds to the data entered under Section II.14.
In the tax return, you only perform these steps when you are actually issuing the refund to the customer, not before.
- Regarding the bookkeeping: you record the initial sale in your sales ledger exactly as you issued it. Once you actually issue the refund to the customer, you book that portion as an expense in your journal labeled as a sales tax refund to a customer. However, please double-check this specific part with a pro; we handled this entire process for corporations rather than sole proprietorships, and the accounting systems can differ slightly. Just to be safe, maybe someone else on the forum can confirm or correct me regarding the KPI.
neonsurfer13 neonsurfer13 Active Member
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joined May 2007
#1927 ·
Thanks! I think I finally have the full picture now.
Lisa Nelson4 Lisa Nelson4 Member
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joined May 2014
#1928 ·
Hey there,

Does anyone know what kind of paperwork I'd actually need to make sure pass-through expenses are handled correctly on our books?
Basically, we have clients where we handle a specific part of a project, but we also oversee other specialized contractors while we're on-site. So, while we're doing our thing, these other companies come in to do their niche work and they issue invoices. Sometimes, we end up paying those bills out of pocket in cash—say, if the property owner isn't around and promises to reimburse us for everything later. Now, some of these invoices are pretty hefty, and honestly, trying to deal with cash at a bank teller window for someone else's business is becoming such a headache lately. Our plan is to cover these costs upfront and then have the property owners pay us back via direct deposit or check, but obviously, we don't want this hitting our revenue or expense lines since it’s not actually our income. Would an original invoice made out directly to the property owner be enough proof for a pass-through item? And when the reimbursement happens—like if they wire us money—should we just make sure they label it as a "reimbursement for paid expenses" so it stays clean?

If any of you have dealt with something similar, please let me know! I really wouldn't want to try to solve this one way only to have the IRS or my accountant count it as gross income. That would push us right into a different tax bracket or VAT-style registration threshold, and since we're strictly a service-based business, that would be a total nightmare for us.

thanks so much!
neonsurfer13 neonsurfer13 Active Member
71 messages
joined May 2007
#1929 ·
Brenda Chase3 said:The specific layout and requirements for the Sales Tax refund form are dictated by the official Tax Code. You can locate the necessary documentation on the official websites for the United States Department of the Treasury and the Internal Revenue Service

When a customer doesn't have a permanent residence or a usual place of abode within the United States, the seller is responsible for issuing the Sales Tax refund form. This document is completed in duplicate; the original is handed directly to the buyer, while the seller keeps a copy for their own internal records.

In this Sales Tax form, the seller must clearly itemize the total amount charged, the net price excluding sales tax, the specific amount of sales tax applied, and the final total of the sales tax being refunded to the customer or claimant.

Typically, the seller charges the customer the full purchase price, which includes sales tax. To determine the exact tax portion included in the sale price, the seller calculates it by applying the applicable tax rate to the total value of the goods sold.

A customer is eligible for a refund of the sales tax paid, provided they submit the certified original of the Sales Tax form to the seller within six months of the invoice date. This certified original essentially serves as the formal request for the tax refund.

If the certified original Sales Tax form is sent via mail, the buyer or claimant should include the specific invoice number associated with the sales tax refund. Please note that any transaction or processing fees related to transferring these funds are the responsibility of the buyer.

Once the seller receives the certified Sales Tax form, they will verify whether the claim meets all the necessary legal criteria for a refund. If everything checks out, the seller then proceeds to return the paid sales tax to the customer or claimant.

The refunded sales tax can be returned in U.S. dollars through either a cash payment or a direct deposit into an account specified by the buyer or claimant. If the refund is handled in cash, the seller is required to issue it immediately; however, if the refund is being sent via bank transfer, it must be processed within 15 days of receiving the request.

Upon receiving a cash refund, the buyer or claimant must sign the Sales Tax form to acknowledge receipt of the funds.

To successfully claim a sales tax refund, a buyer leaving the United States is required to present both their receipts and the purchased goods to Customs for inspection, at which point they can have the original Sales Tax form certified.

Can someone clear this up for me? Since we're talking about an e-commerce store here, giving cash refunds isn't really an option—it's all digital transfers.
Also, does the money strictly have to go to the specific account of the person requesting the tax refund, or is there some wiggle room?
It opens up a whole mess of other questions:
- what if the buyer doesn't even have a bank account?
- can the payment go to an account that doesn't belong to the buyer?
- how do you prove the sales tax was actually received once the transfer hits the account?
- does that account need to be in the same country where the buyer holds citizenship?
- sending money to an international account adds extra fees for the seller. In that case, can those costs be passed on to the customer, or what's the deal?
goldenotter14 goldenotter14 Member
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joined Feb 2007
#1930 ·
I’ve got a question, though it might be more of a bit of a headache.
I just realized that on our last two PPI forms, and even on the annual income statement, I completely botched the math on my income. Basically, I accidentally included depreciation under my expenses, which ended up making my taxable income look lower than it actually is.
What do you guys think I should do? Should I just stay quiet and hope nobody notices, or is it better to proactively send in a correction? If I should go the correction route, does anyone have advice on how to handle that?
casualorca5 casualorca5 Active Member
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joined Jan 2019
#1931 ·
goldenotter14 said:I’ve got a question, though it might be more of a bit of a headache.
I just realized that on our last two PPI forms, and even on the annual income statement, I completely botched the math on my income. Basically, I accidentally included depreciation under my expenses, which ended up making my taxable income look lower than it actually is.
What do you guys think I should do? Should I just stay quiet and hope nobody notices, or is it better to proactively send in a correction? If I should go the correction route, does anyone have advice on how to handle that?

Could you elaborate? 🤔
Depreciation increases expenses, which... I guess... decreases income.☕
goldenotter14 goldenotter14 Member
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joined Feb 2007
#1932 ·
casualorca5 said:Could you elaborate? 🤔
Depreciation increases expenses, which... I guess... decreases income.☕

Man, I swear, this tax form totally threw me for a loop and gave me a mini heart attack.
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Why doesn't the formula explicitly show the depreciation amount being subtracted? Or maybe I'm just overthinking things and missing something obvious.
How can the calculation for item 9 be (1+2+3-7-8)? Why isn't item 4 (depreciation expenses) included there?
stormybadger8 stormybadger8 Veteran
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#1933 ·
The whole thing is a little confusing, to be honest...
On the CPI form, you're just reporting depreciation—basically write-off expenses—but you don't actually add them to your total expenses.

The reason is that those should be listed under non-cash expenses, which means they belong in column 3 (non-cash expenses) where they get tallied,
while section 4 at the bottom is just there as a separate line item, probably just as a check to see how much of your non-cash expenses is specifically depreciation...

If you messed up by putting them in section 4 and adding them up without also listing them under 1, 2, or 3, then you filled it out wrong, even if the math works out...

So, for example, it should look like this:
1. Cash expenses - $6.75
2. Check/Wire expenses - $6.75
3. Non-cash expenses - $3.25 (depreciation)
4. Depreciation write-offs - $3.25 (depreciation)
Total - $17
In that case, column 4 isn't added or subtracted separately, and that’s the correct way to do it. 😉

But if you wrote:
1. Cash expenses - $6.75
2. Check/Wire expenses - $6.75
3. Non-cash expenses - 0.00
4. Depreciation write-offs - $3.25 (depreciation)
Total - $17

The finances will balance, sure, but the form itself is technically filled out incorrectly.
neonsurfer13 neonsurfer13 Active Member
71 messages
joined May 2007
#1934 ·
How am I supposed to handle the invoicing here?
Here’s the deal: I’m selling a product that won't actually be ready for pickup for about a month after they pay.
The customer is going to wire me the full amount upfront, but the invoice needs to show the date the product is actually delivered. That's mainly because the warranty kicks in on the invoice date—basically, once they take possession.
The catch is that the buyer wants the invoice right now so they can write it off for this month's expenses.
How do I make this work without messing up my books?
crimsonstag76 crimsonstag76 Member
19 messages
joined Jan 2008
#1935 ·
neonsurfer13 said:How am I supposed to handle the invoicing here?
Here’s the deal: I’m selling a product that won't actually be ready for pickup for about a month after they pay.
The customer is going to wire me the full amount upfront, but the invoice needs to show the date the product is actually delivered. That's mainly because the warranty kicks in on the invoice date—basically, once they take possession.
The catch is that the buyer wants the invoice right now so they can write it off for this month's expenses.
How do I make this work without messing up my books?

Just issue an invoice for the down payment!
neonsurfer13 neonsurfer13 Active Member
71 messages
joined May 2007
#1936 ·
crimsonstag76 said:Just issue an invoice for the down payment!

I mean, that only works if you're just taking a partial amount, right? But what happens if the entire thing is just one massive down payment?
Can someone give me a bit more detail here, please?
Henry Edwards33 Henry Edwards33 Regular
678 messages
joined Aug 2015
#1937 ·
neonsurfer13 said:I mean, that only works if you're just taking a partial amount, right? But what happens if the entire thing is just one massive down payment?
Can someone give me a bit more detail here, please?

A down payment can definitely be 100% of the total amount.😉
neonsurfer13 neonsurfer13 Active Member
71 messages
joined May 2007
#1938 ·
So, what’s the deal when someone pays with a credit card? I mean, I still have to issue a receipt for that transaction, right?
Let's say a customer buys something online via credit card on a Friday afternoon, but I can't actually get the package out the door until Monday at the earliest.
Technically, I need to log that sale on Friday, right? But if I ship it on Monday, which date should show up on the invoice and for the product warranty?
How am I supposed to handle this?
Olivia Cruz86 Olivia Cruz86 Active Member
114 messages
joined Nov 2014
#1939 ·
Hey everyone!
Has anyone actually received—or does anyone know if they’re about to receive—that tax-free bonus (you know, that extra pay bump...) through $1667?
I’m trying to wrap my head around how the paperwork for JPMorgan Chase is going to work—like, when does it all need to be filed, and what’s the actual process for filling out the payment authorization?

Thanks!
Brenda Chase3 Brenda Chase3 Regular
367 messages
joined Dec 2016
#1940 ·
Olivia Cruz86 said:Hey everyone!
Has anyone actually received—or does anyone know if they’re about to receive—that tax-free bonus (you know, that extra pay bump...) through $1667?
I’m trying to wrap my head around how the paperwork for JPMorgan Chase is going to work—like, when does it all need to be filed, and what’s the actual process for filling out the payment authorization?

Thanks!

https://www.isplate.info/nagrade-za-...a-radnika.aspx

The payment order is handled just like the holiday bonuses; you just use the standard format, but at the end of the account number field, you include 40002-SSN-399.

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