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The New Industrial Revolution: Are we actually ready for this?

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Frank Grant6 Frank Grant6 Member
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#101 ·
Jerry Clark72 said:I honestly don't see how 3D printers could ever be a threat to the US economy.

How many people in America actually work in industries that 3D printing would even touch? I can't think of a single one right now.

On the flip side, my buddy Starks makes a solid point. These printers might actually give us a leg up by making small-scale manufacturing easier than it's ever been.

Besides, if we're talking about what really matters for the future of the US, it’s food prices. Prices are climbing now, and they're going to keep climbing until farming becomes a massive money-maker again.

For instance, imagine a scenario where corn hits $0.67 per pound. With just five acres, you'd be pulling in a salary equivalent to what I make now—and I'm a computer engineer at a top-tier tech firm using all those cutting-edge technologies that goldengull3 gets so hyped about.

Look, corn is sitting at 150 $67 for 100 lbs... the only time you see it down to 100 $40 is during bumper crop years when the market is flooded... or when some desperate guy is dumping it below cost just to move it, which is happening more and more often...

The real nightmare is there's no economic chain left. You can't funnel that corn through pigs or piglets because nobody can sell them either... and you can't feed them to cattle because most of the family farms have already gone belly up.

The core issue is that this has zero impact on our domestic market. The people who are supposed to be using economic tools to make our economy self-sufficient aren't doing a damn thing to ensure that using our own raw materials and our own people to make finished goods actually pays off...

We import almost everything... so how the hell are we supposed to stay competitive or turn a profit?

Do some reading on agricultural trends... the whole sector is collapsing and nothing makes financial sense anymore...

Agri-economics is dying branch by branch because of pure neglect and terrible policy decisions...

http://www.craigslist.com/search/list?query=corn+grain

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placidranger placidranger Regular
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joined Sep 2004
#102 ·
goldengull3 said:The concept of copyright is perfectly applicable to the digital landscape; you are simply attempting to convince me otherwise because you harbor a distaste for the idea of paying someone for their labor. 🙂

It is precisely mindsets like yours—where treating someone else's intellectual property as common loot is considered "normal"—that necessitate the ever-increasing expenditures on internet oversight. Those funds could be utilized far more intelligently, yet we cannot simply permit people to mock the fruits of another's toil. Through legislative updates, unconditional prison sentences, and more robust monitoring systems, order will largely be restored within a few years. After all, the internet today is subject to significantly more legal scrutiny than it was fifteen years ago; anyone who was online back then remembers when regulation was virtually nonexistent.

This is, of course, assuming we don't restrict authors from choosing to distribute their own work freely (though you haven't specified how many months of your own labor you've actually given away for free, or perhaps you simply don't value your own principles.

Just as many other amateur projects are open source, this doesn't change the fundamental reality. Much will remain protected behind industrial proprietary walls. In fact, the Chinese will likely become the primary global advocates for such protections within a year. 🙂

I don't like the concept of paying for digital copies. Paying for the actual labor is what makes sense. A digital copy isn't the work itself.

It's mindsets like yours—where taking someone else's stuff is seen as "normal"—that force us to pour endless amounts of money into internet surveillance. That capital could be used much more effectively. But we simply cannot allow people to mock the results of someone else's hard work. Between legislative updates, unconditional prison sentences, and better monitoring systems, things will largely fall into line over the coming years. After all, the internet today is under far more legal scrutiny than it was 15 years ago; anyone who was online back then remembers when there was virtually zero regulation.

At the exact same time that surveillance increases, software is being developed specifically to bypass it. TOR was mentioned, but there are other anonymization models out there that even the NSA won't be able to crack anytime soon. This kind of software facilitates everything from the narcotics trade to the free exchange of information. I'm talking about torrents and other P2P technologies that simply cannot be shut down.

Legal regulation doesn't have much leverage here because it doesn't know who to target.
(And yet, you haven't specified how many months of your own labor you've actually put into free distribution—or perhaps you just don't value your own principles.)

I don't put my work into free distribution, nor do I work for free, but I am more than happy to release copies of the software code I've written into the wild.

To be specific, for the last six months I've been working on a project that will end up entirely on my blog—meaning the full code along with implementation instructions for various systems. I'll send you the link once I'm done in about a month; you might find it interesting.
Jerry Clark72 Jerry Clark72 Member
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joined Jul 2012
#103 ·
Frank Grant6 said:Look, corn is sitting at 150 $67 for 100 lbs... the only time you see it down to 100 $40 is during bumper crop years when the market is flooded... or when some desperate guy is dumping it below cost just to move it, which is happening more and more often...

The real nightmare is there's no economic chain left. You can't funnel that corn through pigs or piglets because nobody can sell them either... and you can't feed them to cattle because most of the family farms have already gone belly up.

The core issue is that this has zero impact on our domestic market. The people who are supposed to be using economic tools to make our economy self-sufficient aren't doing a damn thing to ensure that using our own raw materials and our own people to make finished goods actually pays off...

We import almost everything... so how the hell are we supposed to stay competitive or turn a profit?

Do some reading on agricultural trends... the whole sector is collapsing and nothing makes financial sense anymore...

Agri-economics is dying branch by branch because of pure neglect and terrible policy decisions...

http://www.craigslist.com/search/list?query=corn+grain

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In America, there’s zero incentive to process raw materials like corn locally when the government just taxes away every cent of profit. So, we end up just exporting the raw stuff instead... but then you hit the issue where shipping costs eat the margins. Corn prices in Germany are $0.43 per kg, while here they’re stuck at $0.33 per kg...

I spend a good amount of time reading up on ag issues, and I dabble in the industry myself.
Sandra Sullivan Sandra Sullivan Member
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joined Aug 2012
#104 ·
We survived the steam engine, assembly lines, electricity, oil, computers, the internet, and pretty much every other tech breakthrough thrown our way, so why should this be any different?

Think about it—when the internet exploded, it didn’t just kill off traditional media; it forced everything to evolve. Now, there are more people working in that space than ever before. We’ll adapt to this too. Honestly, we might even get an edge over most of the world. Since we can't really compete with the massive manufacturing powerhouses in the West or Asia, this whole 3D printing thing—assuming it actually takes off, which is a big "if"—could be the perfect fix for our lack of productivity.

And hey, if it all goes south anyway, we’ve always got the recession-proof industries to fall back on: gambling, drugs, and sex work.

We could turn the Midwest into a massive hub for growing cannabis, poppies, and whatever else. Then, we just sell the goods to tourists hitting the coasts who are looking for a wild time with our highly trained workers. Washington, D.C. could easily pivot to become a major headquarters for the adult industry and high-stakes gambling.

Bottom line is, there's no reason to be scared of technology.
silvertiger11 silvertiger11 Active Member
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#105 ·
I think the whole 3D printing hype is a bit much. It’s not like we’re all going to have them sitting on our kitchen counters in a few years. Honestly, I don't see it becoming a household staple even thirty years from now. If it ever actually hits the mainstream, it'll probably just be for making niche little figurines or something equally trivial. For the foreseeable future, mass-produced consumer goods will always be cheaper coming out of a massive factory than being printed one by one at home.
It’s a lot like bread makers. Mine sat on my counter for about a month before I realized I was better off just buying a loaf every morning like I always did.

Americans haven't historically been the type of people to chase every shiny new tech trend. We were still relying heavily on sail power nearly a century after the first Fulton steamships hit the water, right as internal combustion was just starting to make its presence felt. Even today, you can hardly find an individual or a small business in the States that understands how pick-and-place machines work for electronics manufacturing—and that technology isn't even forty years old. Yet, you can't build a single modern electronic device without them.
And then people start talking about "local manufacturing." What exactly are we manufacturing? Rubber boots?

In my opinion, most people discussing this topic are missing the real point. The issue isn't really about 3D printers or what they might produce; it's about whether we, as a society, are actually capable of keeping up with life in the 21st century.
fadedlynx96 fadedlynx96 Active Member
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joined Jan 2013
#106 ·
ruggedgardener2 said:And now he's moving on to self-driving cars.

Nobody actually knows what's coming. 🙂

Self-driving vehicles have been out there for over a year now, and they're perfectly legal in California, along with a few other places.

And honestly, they handle much better than any human driver ever could—it isn't even close.

They aren't even significantly more expensive than standard cars, though I suppose it feels a bit eerie seeing the driver's seat completely empty.
ruggedgardener2 ruggedgardener2 Member
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#107 ·
I don't know what to tell you—it’s just one of those things where you look at the facts and realize how much noise there is out there. I was sitting around the other day, just thinking about how people react to these kinds of shifts, and honestly, most of it is just pure distraction. You see these arguments flying back and forth online, people getting worked up over nothing, while the actual substance gets buried under a mountain of nonsense. It’s frustrating, really—like trying to have a serious conversation in the middle of a crowded stadium. You try to make a point, you lay out the logic, and someone just starts screaming about something completely unrelated. It happens constantly. Anyway, that's just my two cents on why everything feels so chaotic lately.
fadedlynx96 I can't even begin to process this—it’s just one thing after another lately. I was sitting there, minding my own business, and then I see this... honestly, it’s enough to make you lose your mind. You think you've seen everything, right? Wrong. It’s always something else, another layer of nonsense that we’re all expected to just swallow without a second thought. I remember back when things actually made sense—well, "sense" is a strong word—but at least there was some kind of logic to the chaos. Now? It feels like we're just spinning our wheels in the mud while everyone else pretends everything is fine. It’s exhausting, truly. You try to stay level-headed, you really do, but then something like this pops up and suddenly you're questioning if anyone is actually home behind the eyes of these people running the show. It's just ridiculous.
Self-driving cars aren't some futuristic dream we're waiting on—they've actually been hitting the streets for over a year now. They’re already fully legal in California, and honestly, there are probably a few other states where they're cleared to roll.

It drives better than any car most people are behind the wheel of—and I mean, it’s not even a close contest. Honestly, compared to the average driver out there? It's in a completely different league.

They aren't even that much more expensive than your run-of-the-mill cars. They’re just... I don't know, a little weird—mostly because you're staring at an empty driver's seat where a person should be.
Wait, is that actually one of those Google cars rolling by, or am I seeing things?
fadedlynx96 fadedlynx96 Active Member
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#108 ·
ruggedgardener2 said:I don't know what to tell you—it’s just one of those things where you look at the facts and realize how much noise there is out there. I was sitting around the other day, just thinking about how people react to these kinds of shifts, and honestly, most of it is just pure distraction. You see these arguments flying back and forth online, people getting worked up over nothing, while the actual substance gets buried under a mountain of nonsense. It’s frustrating, really—like trying to have a serious conversation in the middle of a crowded stadium. You try to make a point, you lay out the logic, and someone just starts screaming about something completely unrelated. It happens constantly. Anyway, that's just my two cents on why everything feels so chaotic lately.
fadedlynx96 I can't even begin to process this—it’s just one thing after another lately. I was sitting there, minding my own business, and then I see this... honestly, it’s enough to make you lose your mind. You think you've seen everything, right? Wrong. It’s always something else, another layer of nonsense that we’re all expected to just swallow without a second thought. I remember back when things actually made sense—well, "sense" is a strong word—but at least there was some kind of logic to the chaos. Now? It feels like we're just spinning our wheels in the mud while everyone else pretends everything is fine. It’s exhausting, truly. You try to stay level-headed, you really do, but then something like this pops up and suddenly you're questioning if anyone is actually home behind the eyes of these people running the show. It's just ridiculous.
Self-driving cars aren't some futuristic dream we're waiting on—they've actually been hitting the streets for over a year now. They’re already fully legal in California, and honestly, there are probably a few other states where they're cleared to roll.

It drives better than any car most people are behind the wheel of—and I mean, it’s not even a close contest. Honestly, compared to the average driver out there? It's in a completely different league.

They aren't even that much more expensive than your run-of-the-mill cars. They’re just... I don't know, a little weird—mostly because you're staring at an empty driver's seat where a person should be.
Wait, is that actually one of those Google cars rolling by, or am I seeing things?

Yeah, the Google car was the pioneer, though now every major automaker is scrambling to catch up. The tech itself is already proven and operational, so the real question isn't whether it works, but whether people actually trust themselves enough to sit in a driverless seat right this second.
hiddenfalcon5 hiddenfalcon5 Newcomer
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#109 ·
fadedlynx96 said:Self-driving vehicles have been out there for over a year now, and they're perfectly legal in California, along with a few other places.

And honestly, they handle much better than any human driver ever could—it isn't even close.

They aren't even significantly more expensive than standard cars, though I suppose it feels a bit eerie seeing the driver's seat completely empty.

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Honestly, I don't know why some people refuse to read everything laid out in front of them... seriously, folks, let's just call it a night—it's getting late and we all need our rest...

This version is definitely an improvement over that other one... I’ve been spending quite a bit of my afternoon diving into this video—it’s one of those pieces that really makes you pause and reflect on the current state of things... It provides such a fascinating perspective on how we navigate our modern landscape, doesn't it? There is a certain nuance here that I think often gets lost in the frantic pace of daily life—especially when everyone is shouting over one another on social media—but if you take the time to sit with the ideas presented, there is a genuine depth to be found. It reminds me a bit of those long, thoughtful discussions we used to have back in the day, where you could actually dissect an argument without someone immediately jumping to conclusions... I found myself nodding along at several points, particularly regarding how systemic shifts impact the individual. It’s easy to get caught up in the macro view, but this creator does a wonderful job of bringing it back down to the street level—to the actual lived experience of Americans navigating these complex structures. It certainly gives me plenty of food for thought as I head into the rest of my week... 😁
David Price5 David Price5 Regular
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#110 ·
Cleaning out the adjustable wrench
hollowtrucker77 hollowtrucker77 Regular
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joined Nov 2007
#111 ·
goldengull3 said:Look, 3D printing allows for the fabrication of rocket fuel combustion chambers with geometries that simply can't be achieved through traditional manufacturing methods.

I mean, let's be honest, you didn't actually explain anything there either; you just dropped a dogma and walked away.
🙂
northernsailor8 northernsailor8 Active Member
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#112 ·
placidranger said:You aren't getting it. Of course scientists and innovators need to profit from their breakthroughs. The issue is that the traditional copyright model is fundamentally broken in an era of anonymous internet publishing. I could upload a copy of your book under your name on my site or via torrents. You're stuck. You have no one to sue because you don't even know it was me. There's no way to scrub it, and the government isn't going to shut down the entire internet over a few books. It’s smarter to stop fighting the tide and start using the tech to your advantage—which is exactly what some authors are already doing. They put the book online for free and make their money through physical copies, speaking tours, film rights, or crowdfunding platforms... Copyright is becoming unenforceable. But again, let's stay on track.

The new industrial revolution definitely includes 3D printers. It's a massive leap forward (many of them are open source).

Then you have the DIY electronics scene—Arduino and all its various clones and derivatives (also open source). Innovation is migrating from massive factories into living rooms and basements. It's a dramatic surge in innovative potential.

And then there's the infrastructure and fuel that will turn those innovations into products for the masses—cryptocurrencies, specifically Bitcoin.

Robotics will likely plateau for another 5 to 10 years until we hit some major breakthrough, but we'll see automated drones everywhere.

This isn't really a question of whether copyright should exist, but rather its scope. I think most people would agree that limiting reproduction has become nearly impossible, but that's more a matter of distribution models, accessibility, and middlemen than the creators themselves.

In fact, it seems many people are actually willing to pay for high-quality service and bonus content if there are minimal intermediaries, the content is easy to find in one place, and the price is reasonable.

However, that mostly applies to the entertainment industry. Intellectual work that has practical utility—meaning its application creates tangible value—is a different story altogether. In those cases, the work becomes an intellectual tool in production, much like manual labor, machinery, or other physical assets. We are talking about the foundations of an economic system here. There could be a drastic decline if we rely solely on enthusiasts who prioritize the "public good."

Amanda Diaz said::fejspalm ko kuća:

Here's an example. Glass was invented ages ago... then cars were invented... after that, cars started using better and better glass... long after Enzo Ferrari founded his factory and went looking for glass suppliers... long after Enzo's first car, someone in Lipstick starts producing high-end glass, and now modern Ferrari buys from them.

And you want me to start training people right this second to make glass for Ferrari? We don't even know when Ferrari will actually need that specific glass—is it in 5, 10, or 30 years? We don't know if the specs will match what we imagine today, because we have no idea what kind of Ferrari they'll be building then, or what the market will even demand.

I hope you caught the analogy...

At this rate, we might as well start training tour guides for Mars...

I think you might be off by a century or two. Nowadays, you train a worker in a very short timeframe, and new technology is implemented within a few years. Welcome to the 21st century and our era of global knowledge and communication. 😉
placidranger placidranger Regular
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joined Sep 2004
#113 ·
silvertiger11 said:I think the whole 3D printing hype is a bit much. It’s not like we’re all going to have them sitting on our kitchen counters in a few years. Honestly, I don't see it becoming a household staple even thirty years from now. If it ever actually hits the mainstream, it'll probably just be for making niche little figurines or something equally trivial. For the foreseeable future, mass-produced consumer goods will always be cheaper coming out of a massive factory than being printed one by one at home.
It’s a lot like bread makers. Mine sat on my counter for about a month before I realized I was better off just buying a loaf every morning like I always did.

Americans haven't historically been the type of people to chase every shiny new tech trend. We were still relying heavily on sail power nearly a century after the first Fulton steamships hit the water, right as internal combustion was just starting to make its presence felt. Even today, you can hardly find an individual or a small business in the States that understands how pick-and-place machines work for electronics manufacturing—and that technology isn't even forty years old. Yet, you can't build a single modern electronic device without them.
And then people start talking about "local manufacturing." What exactly are we manufacturing? Rubber boots?

In my opinion, most people discussing this topic are missing the real point. The issue isn't really about 3D printers or what they might produce; it's about whether we, as a society, are actually capable of keeping up with life in the 21st century.

People are overhyping them—3D printers aren't going to be sitting on every kitchen counter like a toaster or a microwave anytime soon. But make no mistake, they’ll be a cornerstone of this "new industrial revolution" we keep hearing about. It's less about consumer gadgets and more about shifting the gears of manufacturing entirely.

Industry innovation—the kind that actually sparks a revolution—isn't going to come from the big corporate giants anymore. It’s moving toward the hobbyists and the basement innovators. These are the people using 3D printers, tools that were themselves perfected in garage setups through random collaborations between total strangers. As Chris Anderson points out, the future belongs to the outsiders. www.diydrones.com It’s the exact same development model—everything open-source, everything laid out for hobbyists, enthusiasts, or any other firm that wants to take a page from their book. They make it easy to copy, yet they still manage to sell a finished physical product—in this case, an electronic flight controller.

In this landscape, 3D printers aren't just gadgets—they’re tools that are fundamentally replacing much larger, far more cumbersome machinery. It streamlines the whole process and drives down production costs. Simple as that. Innovation. It’s a buzzword people love to toss around in boardrooms from New York to San Francisco—usually right before they announce something that isn't actually new, just rebranded. Everyone wants to be the next big disruptor, but most are just rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic. Real progress? That's rare. Most "breakthroughs" I see are just expensive ways to solve problems that didn't exist ten minutes ago.Innovation is finally trickling down to a much broader slice of the population than ever before.

Quinn:
Americans have never been the type of people to chase the latest tech trends—not in the past, and probably not in the future either. We were still out there sailing ships with canvas sails nearly a century after the first Fulton steamships hit the water, even while internal combustion engines were starting to make their presence felt. Fast forward to today, and you can't find a single person or company in the States that even realizes pick-and-place machines exist for electronics manufacturing—tech that’s been around for almost forty years. Yet, somehow, everyone expects us to build complex electrical devices without them. It's absurd.
We’ve got a massive pool of unemployed kids just drifting through the internet—maybe we can actually catch a wave and put that energy to use. 🙂
placidranger placidranger Regular
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joined Sep 2004
#114 ·
hollowtrucker77 said:I mean, let's be honest, you didn't actually explain anything there either; you just dropped a dogma and walked away.
🙂

Curious if you actually understand how molten plastic—or metal, for that matter—is shaped into 3D forms?

northernsailor8 said:This isn't really a question of whether copyright should exist, but rather its scope. I think most people would agree that limiting reproduction has become nearly impossible, but that's more a matter of distribution models, accessibility, and middlemen than the creators themselves.

In fact, it seems many people are actually willing to pay for high-quality service and bonus content if there are minimal intermediaries, the content is easy to find in one place, and the price is reasonable.

However, that mostly applies to the entertainment industry. Intellectual work that has practical utility—meaning its application creates tangible value—is a different story altogether. In those cases, the work becomes an intellectual tool in production, much like manual labor, machinery, or other physical assets. We are talking about the foundations of an economic system here. There could be a drastic decline if we rely solely on enthusiasts who prioritize the "public good."

I think you might be off by a century or two. Nowadays, you train a worker in a very short timeframe, and new technology is implemented within a few years. Welcome to the 21st century and our era of global knowledge and communication. 😉

The theory used to justify patents is fundamentally flawed. In fact, it likely stifles innovation rather than driving it.

What "foundations" are we even talking about? The hypothesis that people wouldn't bother innovating without patent protection? Where is the empirical evidence for that? It's empty theory. And it's wrong.
goldengull3 goldengull3 Regular
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#115 ·
hollowtrucker77 said:I mean, let's be honest, you didn't actually explain anything there either; you just dropped a dogma and walked away.
🙂

Here is a test model for you: http://www.zadarinfo.com/ZDinfo/?p=16447

The core issue is that it allows for the creation of a porous chamber. In this setup, the incoming fuel itself acts as the coolant for the chamber walls. Given the sheer intensity of the temperatures generated in there—which, frankly, would melt through just about any material known to man—this design facilitates a fundamentally different method of engine operation.
goldengull3 goldengull3 Regular
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joined Nov 2007
#116 ·
northernsailor8 said:This isn't really a question of whether copyright should exist, but rather its scope. I think most people would agree that limiting reproduction has become nearly impossible, but that's more a matter of distribution models, accessibility, and middlemen than the creators themselves.

In fact, it seems many people are actually willing to pay for high-quality service and bonus content if there are minimal intermediaries, the content is easy to find in one place, and the price is reasonable.

However, that mostly applies to the entertainment industry. Intellectual work that has practical utility—meaning its application creates tangible value—is a different story altogether. In those cases, the work becomes an intellectual tool in production, much like manual labor, machinery, or other physical assets. We are talking about the foundations of an economic system here. There could be a drastic decline if we rely solely on enthusiasts who prioritize the "public good."

I think you might be off by a century or two. Nowadays, you train a worker in a very short timeframe, and new technology is implemented within a few years. Welcome to the 21st century and our era of global knowledge and communication. 😉

Precisely. Americans have already demonstrated that selling music for 99 cents and providing streamlined streaming services for series and films significantly curtails piracy.

But developing an engine that requires hundreds of millions of dollars in R&D is an entirely different matter. In that sector, components will be fiercely protected. That said, a major advantage will be the ability to simply print what you need instead of waiting for a spare part to arrive from some distant distribution center. Naturally, this also reduces the number of workers required to maintain a functional service network.
placidranger placidranger Regular
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joined Sep 2004
#117 ·
goldengull3 said:Precisely. Americans have already demonstrated that selling music for 99 cents and providing streamlined streaming services for series and films significantly curtails piracy.

But developing an engine that requires hundreds of millions of dollars in R&D is an entirely different matter. In that sector, components will be fiercely protected. That said, a major advantage will be the ability to simply print what you need instead of waiting for a spare part to arrive from some distant distribution center. Naturally, this also reduces the number of workers required to maintain a functional service network.

In that scenario, expect industrial-scale piracy.
You wouldn't download a car? Please. You totally would.🙂

Yes, R&D costs hundreds of millions. But what if "development" just meant copying and tweaking something slightly? For everyone?
You have a public blueprint. If you’re just manufacturing that exact blueprint, a hundred other companies are doing the same thing—you have zero edge. To actually gain an advantage, you have to innovate. Since everything is publicly available, making a minor tweak to an existing design is where the profit lies. And those profits come from leveraging all the innovations others have already paved the way for.

That's essentially how 3D printers themselves evolved.
Essentially, I think the whole concept of copyright will be bypassed in many cases; blueprints will be open-source from the jump, making copying permissible—and eventually, that's where the real money will be made.
goldengull3 goldengull3 Regular
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joined Nov 2007
#118 ·
placidranger said:In that scenario, expect industrial-scale piracy.
You wouldn't download a car? Please. You totally would.🙂

Yes, R&D costs hundreds of millions. But what if "development" just meant copying and tweaking something slightly? For everyone?
You have a public blueprint. If you’re just manufacturing that exact blueprint, a hundred other companies are doing the same thing—you have zero edge. To actually gain an advantage, you have to innovate. Since everything is publicly available, making a minor tweak to an existing design is where the profit lies. And those profits come from leveraging all the innovations others have already paved the way for.

That's essentially how 3D printers themselves evolved.
Essentially, I think the whole concept of copyright will be bypassed in many cases; blueprints will be open-source from the jump, making copying permissible—and eventually, that's where the real money will be made.

That is precisely why a rule of law exists—to prevent such things, much like how it prevents you from doing 120 mph on an interstate. Either you follow the law, or you commit a crime. And given how fast technology moves, detection is easier than ever; we went from fingerprinting to DNA sequencing, which has become increasingly efficient. Crime has never been more easily uncovered.

placidranger said:In that scenario, expect industrial-scale piracy.
You wouldn't download a car? Please. You totally would.🙂

Yes, R&D costs hundreds of millions. But what if "development" just meant copying and tweaking something slightly? For everyone?
You have a public blueprint. If you’re just manufacturing that exact blueprint, a hundred other companies are doing the same thing—you have zero edge. To actually gain an advantage, you have to innovate. Since everything is publicly available, making a minor tweak to an existing design is where the profit lies. And those profits come from leveraging all the innovations others have already paved the way for.

That's essentially how 3D printers themselves evolved.
Essentially, I think the whole concept of copyright will be bypassed in many cases; blueprints will be open-source from the jump, making copying permissible—and eventually, that's where the real money will be made.

Yes, but there is absolutely nothing stopping you from developing your own inventions your way. Nothing at all. It just means you cannot meddle with inventions that someone else has protected—it’s that simple. Otherwise, you face the consequences. It's straightforward. Of course, nobody will bother you if you build something in your garage for non-profit use, but once you take it to market, that is a different story entirely.

The logic is simple: stop forcing your philosophy on everyone else and just live it. Use open-source projects, free industrial designs, royalty-free music, and independent films. Don't bypass payment when creators explicitly ask for it—whether it’s a movie ticket, a rental, or a patent license. Then everyone stays happy.

Otherwise, you have to be prepared to deal with the fallout.

Anyway, we are getting off track. 🙂
Nicholas Chavez70 Nicholas Chavez70 Active MemberOP
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#119 ·
One could easily argue that this elevates simple criminal activity to a much more dangerous tier altogether. We're looking at a scenario where terrorists and organized crime syndicates might actually start printing their own weaponry right from their basements... 🤷
Benjamin Taylor6 Benjamin Taylor6 Regular
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hiddenfalcon5 said:🤣

Honestly, I don't know why some people refuse to read everything laid out in front of them... seriously, folks, let's just call it a night—it's getting late and we all need our rest...

This version is definitely an improvement over that other one... I’ve been spending quite a bit of my afternoon diving into this video—it’s one of those pieces that really makes you pause and reflect on the current state of things... It provides such a fascinating perspective on how we navigate our modern landscape, doesn't it? There is a certain nuance here that I think often gets lost in the frantic pace of daily life—especially when everyone is shouting over one another on social media—but if you take the time to sit with the ideas presented, there is a genuine depth to be found. It reminds me a bit of those long, thoughtful discussions we used to have back in the day, where you could actually dissect an argument without someone immediately jumping to conclusions... I found myself nodding along at several points, particularly regarding how systemic shifts impact the individual. It’s easy to get caught up in the macro view, but this creator does a wonderful job of bringing it back down to the street level—to the actual lived experience of Americans navigating these complex structures. It certainly gives me plenty of food for thought as I head into the rest of my week... 😁

Now you've gone and sent me straight into a depression. I remember back in '86, when I first started out as a junior mechanical engineer at Delta Airlines—man, I truly felt like I had grabbed God by the beard. We were so optimistic; we didn't even dare to imagine how much better things would be by 2002. And then, suddenly, everything just went south at 3 p.m. one day.
Nowadays, it feels like we're trying to grab the devil by his tail, while he's busy poking us with a trident.

Who says we aren't preparing for the future? Every year now, I make sure to plant a few olive trees in my yard. Just hoping I'll have something to sustain me once I finally hit retirement.😲 😁

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