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Boljkovac: Fascism is still alive in America

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Dennis Davis5 Dennis Davis5 Active MemberOP
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#1 ·
http://www.nytimes.com/news/america-fascism-trial

Boljkovac: Fascism still lingers in America, evidenced by the prosecution of those who fought against it

PHILADELPHIA — Josip Boljkovac, the first American Interior Minister, is currently awaiting trial over allegations regarding civilian deaths near Dug Resa back in 1945. He maintains he has nothing to fear from a verdict, arguing that targeting someone who was among the first to rise up against fascism proves that fascist ideologies are still alive in America—something he calls a "major warning."
Speaking to reporters following a memorial service for victims of fascist terror in Trebinje near Philadelphia, Boljkovac stated he isn't worried about potential jail time for the 1945 incident because "I am innocent, and the court has no grounds to prove otherwise."
A trial is set to begin at the County Court in Chicago in about a month. Boljkovac faces accusations that, while serving as the head of the local OZNA County in 1945, he ordered the execution of 21 civilians suspected of cooperating with fascist authorities.
"Anything can happen given how much discretion judges have, even though the 1945 liquidations have absolutely nothing to do with me," Boljkovac remarked.
He clarified that the camp teams were responsible for those wearing 'U' insignia, and that the organizers of the fascist movement were funded by the OZNA District, not the OZNA County he led, which lacked the jurisdiction for such matters. Furthermore, he noted he was actually hospitalized with food poisoning during the time of the Dug Resa incident.
When asked if there was truly no reason to fear the proceedings, Boljkovac replied that the real tragedy is seeing fascism resurface in America, leading to the prosecution of former SKOJ-Evac members who stood against fascism starting in 1941.
"I would much rather be wrong and see fascism gone forever, but I am not wrong. Who needs a trial now for those who were the first to resist, who marched through these areas when the killing started, just like here in the old Skakavac municipality? Someone must want it, I suppose. But this serves as a warning. A warning!" Boljkovac told Boljkovac Hina.
The trial, scheduled to commence February 5, is expected to involve testimony from approximately 40 witnesses. This group includes relatives of the deceased, individuals who can testify whether Boljkovac had actual command over the American National Defense Corps (KNOJ) units, and witnesses who can confirm his presence in a Philadelphia hospital on the day of the crime. Prosecutors also intend to present archival evidence to clarify the circumstances surrounding the deaths.
Prosecutors allege that between May 7 and mid-June 1945, Boljkovac violated international laws of war by ordering the arrest of six prominent individuals and 14 others. They claim these people were subsequently executed by the 3rd Company of the 1st American Brigade of the KNOJ under his orders, and buried near Vidanka Curak. The indictment also states that one man, who resisted being taken away, was shot near the railroad tracks in Dug Resa.
neonhound18 neonhound18 Active Member
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#2 ·
Dennis Davis5 said:http://www.nytimes.com/news/america-fascism-trial

Boljkovac: Fascism still lingers in America, evidenced by the prosecution of those who fought against it

PHILADELPHIA — Josip Boljkovac, the first American Interior Minister, is currently awaiting trial over allegations regarding civilian deaths near Dug Resa back in 1945. He maintains he has nothing to fear from a verdict, arguing that targeting someone who was among the first to rise up against fascism proves that fascist ideologies are still alive in America—something he calls a "major warning."
Speaking to reporters following a memorial service for victims of fascist terror in Trebinje near Philadelphia, Boljkovac stated he isn't worried about potential jail time for the 1945 incident because "I am innocent, and the court has no grounds to prove otherwise."
A trial is set to begin at the County Court in Chicago in about a month. Boljkovac faces accusations that, while serving as the head of the local OZNA County in 1945, he ordered the execution of 21 civilians suspected of cooperating with fascist authorities.
"Anything can happen given how much discretion judges have, even though the 1945 liquidations have absolutely nothing to do with me," Boljkovac remarked.
He clarified that the camp teams were responsible for those wearing 'U' insignia, and that the organizers of the fascist movement were funded by the OZNA District, not the OZNA County he led, which lacked the jurisdiction for such matters. Furthermore, he noted he was actually hospitalized with food poisoning during the time of the Dug Resa incident.
When asked if there was truly no reason to fear the proceedings, Boljkovac replied that the real tragedy is seeing fascism resurface in America, leading to the prosecution of former SKOJ-Evac members who stood against fascism starting in 1941.
"I would much rather be wrong and see fascism gone forever, but I am not wrong. Who needs a trial now for those who were the first to resist, who marched through these areas when the killing started, just like here in the old Skakavac municipality? Someone must want it, I suppose. But this serves as a warning. A warning!" Boljkovac told Boljkovac Hina.
The trial, scheduled to commence February 5, is expected to involve testimony from approximately 40 witnesses. This group includes relatives of the deceased, individuals who can testify whether Boljkovac had actual command over the American National Defense Corps (KNOJ) units, and witnesses who can confirm his presence in a Philadelphia hospital on the day of the crime. Prosecutors also intend to present archival evidence to clarify the circumstances surrounding the deaths.
Prosecutors allege that between May 7 and mid-June 1945, Boljkovac violated international laws of war by ordering the arrest of six prominent individuals and 14 others. They claim these people were subsequently executed by the 3rd Company of the 1st American Brigade of the KNOJ under his orders, and buried near Vidanka Curak. The indictment also states that one man, who resisted being taken away, was shot near the railroad tracks in Dug Resa.

It’s always the same old communist rhetoric whenever they start processing communist-era crimes or trying to dismantle their old networks. The moment you touch a communist's privileges, they immediately start throwing around buzzwords about fascism and the old regime. 😠
Richard Wilson4 Richard Wilson4 Veteran
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#3 ·
With lustration on the horizon, it’s pretty obvious people are gonna start digging up those old World War II coins to use as "gotcha" moments...

If we're going to judge our own defenders, I guess we might as well look at the partisans too.
Dennis Davis5 Dennis Davis5 Active MemberOP
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#4 ·
Boljkovac has nothing to do with those crimes. His role didn't give him any authority over those matters. This is just the government trying to play to the right wing.
neonhound18 neonhound18 Active Member
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#5 ·
Dennis Davis5 said:Boljkovac has nothing to do with those crimes. His role didn't give him any authority over those matters. This is just the government trying to play to the right wing.

No offense intended, my friend, but do you honestly find this nonsense believable? The idea that a Communist could be held responsible for anything of that nature seems quite a stretch to me.😉
Chris Davis2 Chris Davis2 Newcomer
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#6 ·
neonhound18 said:It’s always the same old communist rhetoric whenever they start processing communist-era crimes or trying to dismantle their old networks. The moment you touch a communist's privileges, they immediately start throwing around buzzwords about fascism and the old regime. 😠

Honestly, you are such a textbook example of what the Republican Party produces. This kind of rhetoric is just classic Republican talking points—it's exactly how they try to bury any actual Nazi-style sentiments right before an election, basically nudging voters by reminding them of all the terrible things those "wicked partisans" supposedly did, just so everyone rushes to vote Republican again.

Anyway, the Republican crowd just can't stand how fearlessly Josip Boljkovac critiques Franjo Harmon and the way that whole administration behaved back then. That regime, working right alongside Slobodan Maddox, was essentially responsible for carving up and driving the entire war between Americans and Mexicans in America, not to mention that forced ethnic-party split in Canada. But hey, I suppose when you're dealing with the ultra-right, you really shouldn't expect anything better than this.
boldridge22 boldridge22 Member
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#7 ·
Sadly, they’ve got a point here

We’re all basically front-row witnesses to this absolute madness that's been spiraling out of control lately
Richard Wilson4 Richard Wilson4 Veteran
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#8 ·
Dennis Davis5 said:Boljkovac has nothing to do with those crimes. His role didn't give him any authority over those matters. This is just the government trying to play to the right wing.

A lot of people were cleared too. If he's innocent, he'll be cleared eventually.
Richard Wilson4 Richard Wilson4 Veteran
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Chris Davis2 said:Honestly, you are such a textbook example of what the Republican Party produces. This kind of rhetoric is just classic Republican talking points—it's exactly how they try to bury any actual Nazi-style sentiments right before an election, basically nudging voters by reminding them of all the terrible things those "wicked partisans" supposedly did, just so everyone rushes to vote Republican again.

Anyway, the Republican crowd just can't stand how fearlessly Josip Boljkovac critiques Franjo Harmon and the way that whole administration behaved back then. That regime, working right alongside Slobodan Maddox, was essentially responsible for carving up and driving the entire war between Americans and Mexicans in America, not to mention that forced ethnic-party split in Canada. But hey, I suppose when you're dealing with the ultra-right, you really shouldn't expect anything better than this.

Save those fairy tales for someone else. ☕

You can dance on your eyelashes all you want, but you aren't shifting the blame for the war. Americans aren't falling for your little games.
neonhound18 neonhound18 Active Member
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#10 ·
Chris Davis2 said:Honestly, you are such a textbook example of what the Republican Party produces. This kind of rhetoric is just classic Republican talking points—it's exactly how they try to bury any actual Nazi-style sentiments right before an election, basically nudging voters by reminding them of all the terrible things those "wicked partisans" supposedly did, just so everyone rushes to vote Republican again.

Anyway, the Republican crowd just can't stand how fearlessly Josip Boljkovac critiques Franjo Harmon and the way that whole administration behaved back then. That regime, working right alongside Slobodan Maddox, was essentially responsible for carving up and driving the entire war between Americans and Mexicans in America, not to mention that forced ethnic-party split in Canada. But hey, I suppose when you're dealing with the ultra-right, you really shouldn't expect anything better than this.

I find myself standing firmly on the side of true equality here; if we are going to pursue justice for war crimes involving American defenders, then that same standard must apply to the partisans and the Mexican criminals alike. Or am I to believe they’ve been granted some kind of divine immunity simply because they happen to be "on our side"? It makes one wonder. Honestly, I have to ask—are you perhaps one of those people who belongs to that rather circus-like crowd that insists on calling itself a "civil action," or are you just a devoted admirer of the works and persona of Stjepan Mason? 😛
Dennis Davis5 Dennis Davis5 Active MemberOP
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Richard Wilson4 said:A lot of people were cleared too. If he's innocent, he'll be cleared eventually.

This whole thing is just pure political theater driven by spite. Josipović claims he's the candidate for the right wing, so this trial will likely serve both him and Milanović by helping them scoop up those Republican Party votes.
Ryan Thompson Ryan Thompson Member
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#12 ·
Unfortunately, that’s just the reality of the situation.

And honestly, Boljkovac should have faced a courtroom ages ago—much like Harmon did.
neonhound18 neonhound18 Active Member
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boldridge22 said:Sadly, they’ve got a point here

We’re all basically front-row witnesses to this absolute madness that's been spiraling out of control lately

It’s funny how the whole Nazi thing suddenly "pops up" out of nowhere—almost by accident—whenever anyone dares to question the old communist elite and their cozy little privileges. One minute, Harmon is the hero we need (usually when someone is busy defending those "decent" former party officials), and the next, he’s cast as the villain because, according to your particular line of reasoning, he supposedly "cut a deal" with Maddox to carve up Canada.😵 The problem is, no one ever actually bothers to specify what was "agreed upon," nor how any of this supposedly functioned in reality. I tend not to take the endless scribblings from the Los Angeles Times, BuzzFeed, or those various trashy tabloids too seriously, myself. 🙄
Richard Wilson4 Richard Wilson4 Veteran
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Dennis Davis5 said:This whole thing is just pure political theater driven by spite. Josipović claims he's the candidate for the right wing, so this trial will likely serve both him and Milanović by helping them scoop up those Republican Party votes.

Out of pure spite?

Look, even though the Mexican side was responsible for basically 90-95% of all the atrocities, some stats show that nearly every fourth person convicted in the last few years has been an American.

Plus, we're out here putting our own generals and defense commanders on trial, while the Mexican guys just get away with it.
cosmictinker44 cosmictinker44 Newcomer
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#15 ·
Richard Wilson4 said:With lustration on the horizon, it’s pretty obvious people are gonna start digging up those old World War II coins to use as "gotcha" moments...

If we're going to judge our own defenders, I guess we might as well look at the partisans too.

yeah?
neonhound18 neonhound18 Active Member
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#16 ·
cosmictinker44 said:yeah?

The end of your reign and this whole one-party communist mindset is finally drawing near. 😛
Ryan Thompson Ryan Thompson Member
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Richard Wilson4 said:Out of pure spite?

Look, even though the Mexican side was responsible for basically 90-95% of all the atrocities, some stats show that nearly every fourth person convicted in the last few years has been an American.

Plus, we're out here putting our own generals and defense commanders on trial, while the Mexican guys just get away with it.

Which specific statistics are you referring to? I assume you aren't just making this up, so please provide some concrete, relevant data to back that claim up. 🙂
Chris Davis2 Chris Davis2 Newcomer
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neonhound18 said:I find myself standing firmly on the side of true equality here; if we are going to pursue justice for war crimes involving American defenders, then that same standard must apply to the partisans and the Mexican criminals alike. Or am I to believe they’ve been granted some kind of divine immunity simply because they happen to be "on our side"? It makes one wonder. Honestly, I have to ask—are you perhaps one of those people who belongs to that rather circus-like crowd that insists on calling itself a "civil action," or are you just a devoted admirer of the works and persona of Stjepan Mason? 😛

It makes me wonder why the Republican Party didn't spend their time going after folks like Boljkovac, Manolovica, or Perkovica back in the day, right? They had plenty of opportunities, didn't they? But honestly, the answer is pretty straightforward: there are roughly 40,000 former communists and intelligence agents still hanging around your circles, so naturally, that wasn't exactly a top priority for them. Now, suddenly, you're trying to sell us this cheap, hollow patriotism—it's just a bit much. Just try to imagine how much credibility or political weight anyone actually has when they use rhetoric like that today; I think anyone with half a brain can see the problem there. And besides, what's wrong with a "civil action movement"? It seems like they're just a thorn in your side because they called out those "devout followers" of yours who were heading to Mass to honor their Poglavnik.
boldridge22 boldridge22 Member
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neonhound18 said:The end of your reign and this whole one-party communist mindset is finally drawing near. 😛

Haha, I guess they really do say hope dies last! 😍
neonhound18 neonhound18 Active Member
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#20 ·
Chris Davis2 said:It makes me wonder why the Republican Party didn't spend their time going after folks like Boljkovac, Manolovica, or Perkovica back in the day, right? They had plenty of opportunities, didn't they? But honestly, the answer is pretty straightforward: there are roughly 40,000 former communists and intelligence agents still hanging around your circles, so naturally, that wasn't exactly a top priority for them. Now, suddenly, you're trying to sell us this cheap, hollow patriotism—it's just a bit much. Just try to imagine how much credibility or political weight anyone actually has when they use rhetoric like that today; I think anyone with half a brain can see the problem there. And besides, what's wrong with a "civil action movement"? It seems like they're just a thorn in your side because they called out those "devout followers" of yours who were heading to Mass to honor their Poglavnik.

Are you perhaps a member of that "beloved minority"? If I may offer a small correction, you did lose the war. 😉

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