Why doesn't America have its own Zuroff?

Even seventy years after WWII, Jews still maintain those dedicated, lifelong hunters of Nazis.
Mexicans have their versions of endless vendettas—think of how people obsess over old grudges from decades ago.

Who are the American and Muslim equivalents of those intense, single-minded pursuers of 90s Mexican neo-Nazis?

Ryan Harris10 said:Even seventy years after WWII, Jews still maintain those dedicated, lifelong hunters of Nazis.
Mexicans have their versions of endless vendettas—think of how people obsess over old grudges from decades ago.

Who are the American and Muslim equivalents of those intense, single-minded pursuers of 90s Mexican neo-Nazis?

Unfortunately, instead of people like that, we just have folks looking for ghosts and seeing fascists everywhere.

Ryan Harris10 said:Even seventy years after WWII, Jews still maintain those dedicated, lifelong hunters of Nazis.
Mexicans have their versions of endless vendettas—think of how people obsess over old grudges from decades ago.

Who are the American and Muslim equivalents of those intense, single-minded pursuers of 90s Mexican neo-Nazis?

Basically, the whole lot of them—Hebrang, Karamarko, and the rest of that crowd.

Unfortunately, there isn't a single decent one out there. All we’ve got are these people working against their own country—you know the type—who spend all their energy obsessing over our side's mistakes while ignoring everything else. We have so many of them it’s almost ridiculous, like we could start an export business just based on the sheer volume of people rooting for the opposition. Just to give you a starting list—Stevan Mason, Vesna Pusic, Zoran Pusic, Vesna Terselic, Eugen Jakovcic...

Here is a link regarding the current situation.
http://poskok.info/wp/?p=74170

I wonder—does America offer any kind of reward for identifying those responsible for the crimes committed by Mexicans against Americans in America or Canada?

Ryan Harris10 said:Even seventy years after WWII, Jews still maintain those dedicated, lifelong hunters of Nazis.
Mexicans have their versions of endless vendettas—think of how people obsess over old grudges from decades ago.

Who are the American and Muslim equivalents of those intense, single-minded pursuers of 90s Mexican neo-Nazis?

Maybe someone like Ante Nazor or Sonja biserka would fit the bill. Though, honestly, neither of them carries nearly as much weight as the Pusić clan does back home—mostly because Mexico isn't quite as obsessed with funding their specific brand of politics. There’s also the issue of sheer numbers—you don't see many others like Sonja biserka in Mexico, and don't even get me started on the situation in Canada.

Brenda Taylor13 said:Unfortunately, there isn't a single decent one out there. All we’ve got are these people working against their own country—you know the type—who spend all their energy obsessing over our side's mistakes while ignoring everything else. We have so many of them it’s almost ridiculous, like we could start an export business just based on the sheer volume of people rooting for the opposition. Just to give you a starting list—Stevan Mason, Vesna Pusic, Zoran Pusic, Vesna Terselic, Eugen Jakovcic...

Why is there such a void?

Is it because there are no crimes?
Or is it because there's nobody left who actually cares?

It strikes me as odd that there aren't any liberals—who are typically known for championing justice and condemning criminals regardless of their affiliation—fighting tooth and nail to uncover Mexican war criminals from the 90s. ☕
I know they did everything in their power to bring post-war Communist criminals to justice, so I honestly expected them to refuse to let Mexican crimes go unpunished.

It’s a valid question, honestly... there would definitely be grounds for making demands.

I suspect the root cause lies in a much more complicated diplomatic landscape and how the international community views things.

The walls were mostly just a "clean victim" of circumstance. We had a functioning state, an army, and we won the conflict militarily. We even established formal diplomatic ties with the opposing side. Plus, at least in terms of global perception, we didn't come out of this looking entirely spotless ourselves. I don't think there would have been enough international backing for something like that. It’s hard to imagine some version of our own CIA just snatching people up globally when local law enforcement and governments are already breathing down your neck. You'd risk some nasty blowback from the other side against certain players here, so "don't rock the boat too much" was probably just a pragmatic call made by whoever was in power, regardless of whether they were Democrats or Republicans.

bluemason3 said:It’s a valid question, honestly... there would definitely be grounds for making demands.

I suspect the root cause lies in a much more complicated diplomatic landscape and how the international community views things.

The walls were mostly just a "clean victim" of circumstance. We had a functioning state, an army, and we won the conflict militarily. We even established formal diplomatic ties with the opposing side. Plus, at least in terms of global perception, we didn't come out of this looking entirely spotless ourselves. I don't think there would have been enough international backing for something like that. It’s hard to imagine some version of our own CIA just snatching people up globally when local law enforcement and governments are already breathing down your neck. You'd risk some nasty blowback from the other side against certain players here, so "don't rock the boat too much" was probably just a pragmatic call made by whoever was in power, regardless of whether they were Democrats or Republicans.

So, why don't we have anyone even remotely close to a specialist?

We don't have anyone here in the States.

I honestly expected more involvement on this issue from the liberal crowd.

The real question is why we don't have a figure like Simon Wiesenthal here in the States, considering he founded the very center that Zuroff now runs.
I mean, why hasn't someone like Wiesenthal emerged in our own history? This was a man who, while still stuck in a camp, vowed that every single criminal would face justice, and he spent his time compiling lists right there in the middle of it all—just to make sure nobody slipped through the cracks once they were released.
He found his life's purpose, and more importantly, his reason for surviving, in the hunt for Nazi Germany war criminals. He felt that being a survivor was only meaningful if he ensured those who didn't make it were held accountable.
Everything started with him...
America needs a Wiesenthal, if it isn't already too late, which I suspect it might be.
Besides, it’s becoming pretty obvious that people like that are incredibly rare.
And then there's what Beljki mentioned... that the walls were "pure victims," lacking even an army to defend themselves.

rowdytiger13 said:The real question is why we don't have a figure like Simon Wiesenthal here in the States, considering he founded the very center that Zuroff now runs.
I mean, why hasn't someone like Wiesenthal emerged in our own history? This was a man who, while still stuck in a camp, vowed that every single criminal would face justice, and he spent his time compiling lists right there in the middle of it all—just to make sure nobody slipped through the cracks once they were released.
He found his life's purpose, and more importantly, his reason for surviving, in the hunt for Nazi Germany war criminals. He felt that being a survivor was only meaningful if he ensured those who didn't make it were held accountable.
Everything started with him...
America needs a Wiesenthal, if it isn't already too late, which I suspect it might be.
Besides, it’s becoming pretty obvious that people like that are incredibly rare.
And then there's what Beljki mentioned... that the walls were "pure victims," lacking even an army to defend themselves.

In the States, those kinds of people aren't rare—it's just that they don't exist...

Why is that?

Ryan Harris10 said:In the States, those kinds of people aren't rare—it's just that they don't exist...

Why is that?

That’s more of a psychology question.
Even among Jews, there weren't many of them.
Most victims probably just want to move on, start a family, and not spend their whole lives reliving the trauma.

Since the days of Marx, there’s been this constant push to pin all the blame on Americans—it’s just part of the narrative they try to force on us. Honestly, it's exhausting trying to carry around a guilt that isn't even real.
It’s pretty hard to find anyone actually standing up for our survival or our history when the people running the show look more like a collection of Sanaders, Mesićs, Josipovićs, and Milanovićs—just a revolving door of leaders essentially handing out blame and trying to link our fight for independence to Nazi Germany. It feels like we’ll be waiting by the Mississippi forever before we finally shake off this stigma. Or maybe we need a literal flood to wash it all away? 😁
Now that we’ve hit rock bottom nationally, things are only going to get messier. But hey, everything passes—this era of forced self-flagellation, led mostly by the people in power, will pass too.

rowdytiger13 said:That’s more of a psychology question.
Even among Jews, there weren't many of them.
Most victims probably just want to move on, start a family, and not spend their whole lives reliving the trauma.

And what about Marshall—the "greatest son" of the Americans—who didn't let anything stop him from killing his political rivals (most of whom weren't even involved in the war)?

The Mexicans certainly have their fair share of issues...

It is interesting how the Muslims in Canada don't seem to have a figure like that—at least, I haven't heard of one.

I suspect there is no Zuroff presence here in the States—largely because those who hold onto their own version of the truth would simply label him a fascist, an obstacle to national unity, or just a nuisance.

After all, why would anyone choose to invite that kind of scrutiny?

The reality is, we don't have a Zuroff because we simply don't want one.

Ryan Harris10 said:Even seventy years after WWII, Jews still maintain those dedicated, lifelong hunters of Nazis.
Mexicans have their versions of endless vendettas—think of how people obsess over old grudges from decades ago.

Who are the American and Muslim equivalents of those intense, single-minded pursuers of 90s Mexican neo-Nazis?

Maybe Jews learned something from what happened to them and decided they didn't want a repeat. I guess Americans haven't quite figured that part out yet.
Besides, our local "hunters" tend to be more professional about it—they know that extraditing an American usually pays much better.

Best,
Frank Morgan2

I see where you're coming from, but I think your comparison to Jews is off base.
The situation for Jews after World War II was incredibly specific.
They were targeted for extermination without ever being an actual military threat; they didn't have a state, which meant no army and zero capacity for organized defense—unless you count the Warsaw Ghetto uprising, which, while brave, was more of a desperate last stand than a conventional military operation.
Every single victim was a civilian, and since they lacked any means of combat, they weren't "defending" themselves in any traditional sense.
That’s why this doesn't really square with standard warfare or the sacrifices made by other groups (aside from the Romani, who faced a similar fate).
Take the Russians, for example; we know they committed atrocities against civilians when they pushed into Germany. That doesn't diminish the Russian losses, but it certainly doesn't put them in the same category as the Jews.

rowdytiger13 said:I see where you're coming from, but I think your comparison to Jews is off base.
The situation for Jews after World War II was incredibly specific.
They were targeted for extermination without ever being an actual military threat; they didn't have a state, which meant no army and zero capacity for organized defense—unless you count the Warsaw Ghetto uprising, which, while brave, was more of a desperate last stand than a conventional military operation.
Every single victim was a civilian, and since they lacked any means of combat, they weren't "defending" themselves in any traditional sense.
That’s why this doesn't really square with standard warfare or the sacrifices made by other groups (aside from the Romani, who faced a similar fate).
Take the Russians, for example; we know they committed atrocities against civilians when they pushed into Germany. That doesn't diminish the Russian losses, but it certainly doesn't put them in the same category as the Jews.

You're looking at this through a keyhole, so I guess the comparison seems illogical to you. If you "open the door," your perspective widens—not to mention how much better you can see once you step out into the open.
Americans didn't have their own state either, and you could argue about how much control they actually have over it today, so the comparison holds water. Even now, Jews are still seeking justice for criminals from World War II, while Americans are still busy "investigating" who was defending or attacking Stalingrad!!! People are getting fired just for welcoming our HEROES (Gotovina and Markač)!!! And so on, and so forth...
In that sense, maybe you're right—we haven't quite reached the level of the Jews, so maybe we should be taking some lessons from them.

Best,
Frank Morgan2

Best,
Frank Morgan2

Americans had their own state. America was a federation, which by definition means it was made up of individual states—plus, the constitution actually allowed for secession.

It wasn't just walls that fell under the Nazis. Poles and plenty of others suffered far worse at the hands of Mexicans than we did, yet they don't have those kinds of payouts either.