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Ronald Jones Ronald Jones Active MemberOP
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#1 ·
I have a question regarding the topic in the title.

To illustrate my point, let me offer a few examples.

a) Suppose we attend a social gathering where, naturally, one is expected to drink something. What is the purpose of this, truly, if I am already aware that I don't enjoy it? In fact, I find the very notion of being obligated quite distasteful. Why is it that people succumb to this pressure, have a few drinks, and then subsequently expect that individual to actually get intoxicated? 😳 🙄 It is quite the same situation with cigarettes. 😳 😳

b) Furthermore, why is there such an obligation to be in a relationship right now? Is there something inherently wrong with me if I am single? Am I supposed to simply abandon all my standards and settle for the very first person who happens to be somewhat attractive? 😳 🍿 Yet, I observe that a vast number of people simply give in to these societal expectations. ☕ ☕
Richard Nelson84 Richard Nelson84 Member
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#2 ·
Nobody wants to be an outcast. Nobody wants to be the butt of the joke.
As Sloterdijk so perfectly put it: ''Shame is the primary driver of social conformity—it’s the switch that turns external control into internal self-regulation.''
Benjamin Wilson4 Benjamin Wilson4 Member
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#3 ·
Regarding that first point, it’s simply easier to clutch a single glass of mixed drink and sip it glacially all night long—effectively drinking nothing at all—than to endure the endless barrage of questions about why you aren't drinking. 😉 Besides, people don't actually want to relax alongside someone who stays sober; they are terrified of being judged by a teetotaler. 😉 When everyone is drinking, everyone stays on roughly the same level.
Carl Rivera43 Carl Rivera43 Veteran
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#4 ·
Sometimes you just have to say no. Even when it feels impossible.

Why should we live our lives based on what everyone else thinks is right?

It feels like society is constantly pushing us to be these mindless robots—just carbon copies of one another.
Too many people are easily swayed these days, but honestly? I think the resourceful ones will always find a way through.
Ronald Jones Ronald Jones Active MemberOP
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#5 ·
I’m a bit confused about how things are working here online, so I suppose the moderators will eventually just close my other identical thread. I honestly can't quite wrap my head around how we ended up with two separate topics for the same thing... 😳 🤷

b) an addition - This isn't strictly limited to romantic relationships; it applies to one-on-one dynamics and even friendships as well. 😳 😳
Brandon Foster7 Brandon Foster7 Active Member
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#6 ·
You don't owe anyone anything.

Just be ready to deal with their judgment. Honestly, it doesn't even matter—no matter what you do, there’s always going to be someone who thinks you're a total weirdo.

But hey, it's not fatal.
There's actually a huge sense of freedom in just doing what you want without that desperate need to fit in.
Morgan Lopez Morgan Lopez Newcomer
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#7 ·
I love a good drink, and I love having a girlfriend. Not because I feel pressured to fit in or anything, but just because it’s good for me...
graniteeagle41 graniteeagle41 Newcomer
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#8 ·
Ronald Jones said:I have a question regarding the topic in the title.

To illustrate my point, let me offer a few examples.

a) Suppose we attend a social gathering where, naturally, one is expected to drink something. What is the purpose of this, truly, if I am already aware that I don't enjoy it? In fact, I find the very notion of being obligated quite distasteful. Why is it that people succumb to this pressure, have a few drinks, and then subsequently expect that individual to actually get intoxicated? 😳 🙄 It is quite the same situation with cigarettes. 😳 😳

b) Furthermore, why is there such an obligation to be in a relationship right now? Is there something inherently wrong with me if I am single? Am I supposed to simply abandon all my standards and settle for the very first person who happens to be somewhat attractive? 😳 🍿 Yet, I observe that a vast number of people simply give in to these societal expectations. ☕ ☕

Where is this "must" coming from? You don't owe anyone anything. You simply say "no thanks" with a smile and stick to it. That goes for a single glass of sparkling cider, too. If you take even one, you risk people nitpicking you, saying, "Oh, look, they've been sipping that one glass all night." Just don't drink, and that's that. This happens constantly because groups lack any actual common ground for conversation, so they resort to being mindless. There are no shared interests; instead, everyone is just horny and looking for a hookup, using alcohol as a crutch to facilitate interaction (they'll just blame it on being drunk tomorrow, of course). Or, some people genuinely rely on alcohol just to tolerate their own existence.

Relationships work the same way—it is entirely a matter of personal choice and necessity.

I don't understand what is bothering you about this. Is it yourself, or the environment around you?
Michael Davis13 Michael Davis13 Member
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#9 ·
Oops, just realized I totally posted this in the wrong thread! 🤣 So, here’s my take again... 😁

It feels like people are constantly giving in just because of social pressure. Like, do they even have an identity or their own opinions anymore? Honestly, it seems like a massive issue in America lately. I guess it just feels easier to go with the flow and blend in, right? But man, there's definitely strength in numbers...
Ronald Jones Ronald Jones Active MemberOP
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#10 ·
graniteeagle41 said:Where is this "must" coming from? You don't owe anyone anything. You simply say "no thanks" with a smile and stick to it. That goes for a single glass of sparkling cider, too. If you take even one, you risk people nitpicking you, saying, "Oh, look, they've been sipping that one glass all night." Just don't drink, and that's that. This happens constantly because groups lack any actual common ground for conversation, so they resort to being mindless. There are no shared interests; instead, everyone is just horny and looking for a hookup, using alcohol as a crutch to facilitate interaction (they'll just blame it on being drunk tomorrow, of course). Or, some people genuinely rely on alcohol just to tolerate their own existence.

Relationships work the same way—it is entirely a matter of personal choice and necessity.

I don't understand what is bothering you about this. Is it yourself, or the environment around you?

The environment. 😳 😳
graniteeagle41 graniteeagle41 Newcomer
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#11 ·
Ronald Jones said:The environment. 😳 😳

Then change your environment. 🤷 What exactly is the problem here? What would you have done differently?
Ronald Jones Ronald Jones Active MemberOP
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#12 ·
graniteeagle41 said:Then change your environment. 🤷 What exactly is the problem here? What would you have done differently?

I am not constantly in contact with them, really; I maintain a much smaller circle of people I actually get along with. This is just a group from college, and this crowd will likely drift apart eventually anyway. I don't consider any of them to be my best friends. Unfortunately, my closest friends aren't here in Washington, D.C., and one cannot simply exist solely with oneself and university coursework... one needs some semblance of a social life while living in Washington, D.C. They aren't terrible people, but they aren't anything special either. Nor is the rest of my class particularly noteworthy, so I certainly make no plans to seek out a new social circle at school. 😳 😳

My greatest regret is that my best friends aren't here in Washington, D.C. Of course, we speak every single day and see each other quite often, but certainly not nearly as frequently as if we were all living together in Washington, D.C. 😳 😳 Their company and their way of thinking are truly the only ones that suit me... 🙂
brighteagle39 brighteagle39 Active Member
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#13 ·
Ronald Jones said:I have a question regarding the topic in the title.

To illustrate my point, let me offer a few examples.

a) Suppose we attend a social gathering where, naturally, one is expected to drink something. What is the purpose of this, truly, if I am already aware that I don't enjoy it? In fact, I find the very notion of being obligated quite distasteful. Why is it that people succumb to this pressure, have a few drinks, and then subsequently expect that individual to actually get intoxicated? 😳 🙄 It is quite the same situation with cigarettes. 😳 😳

b) Furthermore, why is there such an obligation to be in a relationship right now? Is there something inherently wrong with me if I am single? Am I supposed to simply abandon all my standards and settle for the very first person who happens to be somewhat attractive? 😳 🍿 Yet, I observe that a vast number of people simply give in to these societal expectations. ☕ ☕

People occasionally cave under social pressure, though I find it largely depends on which crowd you are with and the nature of that influence.
Generally speaking, the stronger a person's sense of self and the more grounded their ego is, the less likely they are to compromise their principles.
If someone doesn't typically drink and they attend a party where they decide to have one small drink, it doesn't necessarily mean they've surrendered to peer pressure... perhaps they simply saw it as a pleasant opportunity to unwind. At most gatherings, people tend to follow the grain—they have a drink and relax.
As for dating, I haven't really encountered anyone seeking a partner solely because of social pressure. While it might happen, if that's the motivation, it truly is quite pathetic.
graniteeagle41 graniteeagle41 Newcomer
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#14 ·
Ronald Jones said:I am not constantly in contact with them, really; I maintain a much smaller circle of people I actually get along with. This is just a group from college, and this crowd will likely drift apart eventually anyway. I don't consider any of them to be my best friends. Unfortunately, my closest friends aren't here in Washington, D.C., and one cannot simply exist solely with oneself and university coursework... one needs some semblance of a social life while living in Washington, D.C. They aren't terrible people, but they aren't anything special either. Nor is the rest of my class particularly noteworthy, so I certainly make no plans to seek out a new social circle at school. 😳 😳

My greatest regret is that my best friends aren't here in Washington, D.C. Of course, we speak every single day and see each other quite often, but certainly not nearly as frequently as if we were all living together in Washington, D.C. 😳 😳 Their company and their way of thinking are truly the only ones that suit me... 🙂

If you say they aren't all bad, then try engaging with those you actually get along with. Try motivating them toward activities that actually suit you. Invite someone somewhere where there's no alcohol or smoking—things that bother you—and lead by example to show them there's another way to have a good time.
Ronald Jones Ronald Jones Active MemberOP
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#15 ·
graniteeagle41 said:If you say they aren't all bad, then try engaging with those you actually get along with. Try motivating them toward activities that actually suit you. Invite someone somewhere where there's no alcohol or smoking—things that bother you—and lead by example to show them there's another way to have a good time.

That is precisely the issue; they don't attend social gatherings without alcohol involved. 😁 😁 They might show up for a coffee, but that is about it. 🙂
graniteeagle41 graniteeagle41 Newcomer
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#16 ·
Ronald Jones said:That is precisely the issue; they don't attend social gatherings without alcohol involved. 😁 😁 They might show up for a coffee, but that is about it. 🙂

Why is there this obsession with attending every single social gathering?🤷 Years ago, I used to go to the local zoo with a friend every Sunday; I’d just buy two lollipops and we'd watch the monkeys. Every afternoon was perfect.
Ronald Jones Ronald Jones Active MemberOP
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#17 ·
graniteeagle41 said:Why is there this obsession with attending every single social gathering?🤷 Years ago, I used to go to the local zoo with a friend every Sunday; I’d just buy two lollipops and we'd watch the monkeys. Every afternoon was perfect.

Honestly, if it were up to me, I wouldn't even bother with those kinds of parties. But I'm only one person, while they seem to be a crowd. It also drives me crazy how we'd try to meet up for coffee before seeing a movie, only for them to cancel the whole thing an hour before showtime. Then you're left deciding whether to sit through the same old repetitive conversations at a cafe or just head straight home. 😳 😳

The zoo is actually a great idea. 🙂 I know my two friends in Washington, D.C. would definitely be out somewhere in nature on Saturdays or Sundays... they have zero interest in those loud, crowded parties either.
placidwolf27 placidwolf27 Active Member
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#18 ·
Have you ever found yourself wondering why dogs just... charge at each other across a meadow like nothing else matters? Or why, the moment one dog snatches up a stick, every other dog in the vicinity feels the need to either mimic the behavior or start a full-blown wrestling match over that exact same branch?
Raymond Walker5 Raymond Walker5 Active Member
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#19 ·
To truly grasp what’s happening, you first have to understand human psychology, which—if we're being honest—is actually quite simple.
I don't really feel like diving into a massive deep dive right now (though I probably will eventually), but unfortunately, so many people never bother to build any actual character of their own. From a very young age, there's this deep-seated urge and necessity to belong to something. Because of that, people flock to all sorts of cliques and groups just to feel like they possess some inherent value or are part of something "bigger" than themselves.
So, you see some people joining extremist political factions, others joining a local pottery club, some diving headfirst into religion, and others signing up for a specific political party. They do all of this primarily so they can feel superior to everyone else by association. They base their entire self-worth on how much others validate them. If that external validation disappears, their whole ego just collapses into pure agony.

Of course, most people are conditioned from childhood to nurture social stereotypes and conformity. In our society, losing your innocence early—both socially and sexually—is often seen as a way to gain "status." You’re expected to be born, go through school, get a job, find a partner, reproduce, work, earn money, and then die. It’s almost like we're programmed like praying mantises; once the mating is done, the male is essentially expendable.

Society has trained us to accept a lot of nonsense as "normal," treating certain milestones as things that must be achieved at any cost. For instance, if you were in Japan and you lost your job or got laid off, you might feel like committing harakiri out of sheer shame, because to society, if you aren't materially useful or productive anymore, you basically cease to exist in your own eyes and everyone else's.

In other words, conformism is just an extended version of the herd mentality. Rising above it and saying "NO" to the status quo is incredibly difficult because most people suffer from a sort of "follower" mindset, easily swayed by either those with more power or simply by whoever happens to be in the majority.

Generally speaking, we live in a culture that believes the majority is always right, which is absolute nonsense. The majority is frequently quite foolish. Independent thought is rarely given any real value here.
A huge portion of the evil in this world stems from the fear of being cast out, which has led to people following ideologies and conforming to extremes for the sake of survival.

I know plenty of people from smaller towns in California who have told me straight up that if you haven't landed a career, found a spouse, and started a family by the time you hit 20, you're considered a total failure.
We are a primitive species that measures its worth through material success. When we fail to meet the arbitrary standards imposed on us by society, we view ourselves as failures.

One of the biggest absurdities was something like forcing young people to serve in the military—which, thank God, has been abolished—and framing it as a "duty." The idea that we owe anything to anyone simply because we were born is total idiocy, and we have to say NO to it if we ever want society to actually progress.

Early on in my life, I learned to expect absolutely nothing from anyone, and because of that, the close relationships I do have tend to be very healthy. I surround myself with intelligent people, people who are critical of society, empathetic toward the marginalized, and supportive of those whom society has rejected.

People ask, "Why do people give in to the pressure?" It's because they lack character. It's because they believe everything their parents or authority figures told them is the ultimate truth. People are trained like animals by religions, societies, and institutions using subtle blackmail and fears instilled from birth. If you won't behave, you'll be punished... if you don't have the latest sneakers, kids at school will mock you... if you don't get straight A's, you'll end up doing manual labor... if you don't serve your military term, you'll end up in prison... if you don't kiss up to your boss at work, you'll get fired... if you don't believe in religious nonsense, you'll go to hell... if you don't make a killing, you're a loser...

And that is how you create a deeply psychologically damaged society. Some will argue, "Well, that's just life; it's cruel and you have to fight to survive." They'll cling to that supposed "survival of the fittest" nonsense. But it's actually the exact opposite. It's like this because you all *decided* to make it this way and chose to make life difficult. Evolution doesn't care about the "stronger" individual surviving; if that were the case, the strong would just spend all their time devouring the weak. Evolution cares about moving forward, regardless of everything—even if it means moving forward without humans entirely. Life wouldn't fail if humans disappeared. We aren't the only ones on this planet, nor are we the center of the universe.

We’re still such an underdeveloped species, honestly. We constantly find ourselves expecting things from everyone else, yet we struggle to offer even a shred of positivity to ourselves, let alone to anyone else.

To build on what you were saying, here’s a pretty cliché example from my own life back when I used to go out more often. I had this friend who constantly expected me to get up and dance. But why on earth would I dance if I wasn't actually having fun? Why should I do something that doesn't suit me just to satisfy her specific idea of a "successful night out"?

We have this fundamental inability to accept that what works for us might be completely wrong for someone else. Just because it feels normal to us to wake up at 4 AM, commute three hours to work, pull twelve-hour shifts every single day including weekends, and essentially reduce our entire existence to mere survival—that doesn't mean it's normal for anyone else.
Personally, I don't believe that life has to be lived at any cost. Because of that, I certainly don't feel obligated to survive at any cost just to fuel those social structures that seem to crave nothing but self-sacrificing slaves. I don't see any reason to play along with anyone's conformist illusions; everything we've built around us is just an illusion that we can walk away from whenever we choose.

I lost the need to be accepted or loved by others a long time ago. In my younger years, that was my heaviest burden—this massive illusion that I actually needed to have friends, much less that I needed to cater to the whims of people who are even bigger idiots than I am.
By being born, we didn't sign some cosmic contract stating that we owe anything to anyone, least of all to people who blindly follow and suck up to every social norm and stereotype out there.

As Bukowski roughly put it: "I don't like people, nor do I want to be near them, but I need them just so I can eat." And that really is the only condition we should agree to: reducing our relationship with this unwanted social system to the bare minimum required to sustain us and provide the basic necessities of life with as little hassle as possible.
Ronald Jones Ronald Jones Active MemberOP
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#20 ·
@old-soul80 - Truly beautifully articulated. 👍 👍

This part is essential:

Raymond Walker5 said:To truly grasp what’s happening, you first have to understand human psychology, which—if we're being honest—is actually quite simple.
I don't really feel like diving into a massive deep dive right now (though I probably will eventually), but unfortunately, so many people never bother to build any actual character of their own. From a very young age, there's this deep-seated urge and necessity to belong to something. Because of that, people flock to all sorts of cliques and groups just to feel like they possess some inherent value or are part of something "bigger" than themselves.
So, you see some people joining extremist political factions, others joining a local pottery club, some diving headfirst into religion, and others signing up for a specific political party. They do all of this primarily so they can feel superior to everyone else by association. They base their entire self-worth on how much others validate them. If that external validation disappears, their whole ego just collapses into pure agony.

Of course, most people are conditioned from childhood to nurture social stereotypes and conformity. In our society, losing your innocence early—both socially and sexually—is often seen as a way to gain "status." You’re expected to be born, go through school, get a job, find a partner, reproduce, work, earn money, and then die. It’s almost like we're programmed like praying mantises; once the mating is done, the male is essentially expendable.

Society has trained us to accept a lot of nonsense as "normal," treating certain milestones as things that must be achieved at any cost. For instance, if you were in Japan and you lost your job or got laid off, you might feel like committing harakiri out of sheer shame, because to society, if you aren't materially useful or productive anymore, you basically cease to exist in your own eyes and everyone else's.

In other words, conformism is just an extended version of the herd mentality. Rising above it and saying "NO" to the status quo is incredibly difficult because most people suffer from a sort of "follower" mindset, easily swayed by either those with more power or simply by whoever happens to be in the majority.

Generally speaking, we live in a culture that believes the majority is always right, which is absolute nonsense. The majority is frequently quite foolish. Independent thought is rarely given any real value here.
A huge portion of the evil in this world stems from the fear of being cast out, which has led to people following ideologies and conforming to extremes for the sake of survival.

I know plenty of people from smaller towns in California who have told me straight up that if you haven't landed a career, found a spouse, and started a family by the time you hit 20, you're considered a total failure.
We are a primitive species that measures its worth through material success. When we fail to meet the arbitrary standards imposed on us by society, we view ourselves as failures.

One of the biggest absurdities was something like forcing young people to serve in the military—which, thank God, has been abolished—and framing it as a "duty." The idea that we owe anything to anyone simply because we were born is total idiocy, and we have to say NO to it if we ever want society to actually progress.

Early on in my life, I learned to expect absolutely nothing from anyone, and because of that, the close relationships I do have tend to be very healthy. I surround myself with intelligent people, people who are critical of society, empathetic toward the marginalized, and supportive of those whom society has rejected.

People ask, "Why do people give in to the pressure?" It's because they lack character. It's because they believe everything their parents or authority figures told them is the ultimate truth. People are trained like animals by religions, societies, and institutions using subtle blackmail and fears instilled from birth. If you won't behave, you'll be punished... if you don't have the latest sneakers, kids at school will mock you... if you don't get straight A's, you'll end up doing manual labor... if you don't serve your military term, you'll end up in prison... if you don't kiss up to your boss at work, you'll get fired... if you don't believe in religious nonsense, you'll go to hell... if you don't make a killing, you're a loser...

And that is how you create a deeply psychologically damaged society. Some will argue, "Well, that's just life; it's cruel and you have to fight to survive." They'll cling to that supposed "survival of the fittest" nonsense. But it's actually the exact opposite. It's like this because you all *decided* to make it this way and chose to make life difficult. Evolution doesn't care about the "stronger" individual surviving; if that were the case, the strong would just spend all their time devouring the weak. Evolution cares about moving forward, regardless of everything—even if it means moving forward without humans entirely. Life wouldn't fail if humans disappeared. We aren't the only ones on this planet, nor are we the center of the universe.

We’re still such an underdeveloped species, honestly. We constantly find ourselves expecting things from everyone else, yet we struggle to offer even a shred of positivity to ourselves, let alone to anyone else.

To build on what you were saying, here’s a pretty cliché example from my own life back when I used to go out more often. I had this friend who constantly expected me to get up and dance. But why on earth would I dance if I wasn't actually having fun? Why should I do something that doesn't suit me just to satisfy her specific idea of a "successful night out"?

We have this fundamental inability to accept that what works for us might be completely wrong for someone else. Just because it feels normal to us to wake up at 4 AM, commute three hours to work, pull twelve-hour shifts every single day including weekends, and essentially reduce our entire existence to mere survival—that doesn't mean it's normal for anyone else.
Personally, I don't believe that life has to be lived at any cost. Because of that, I certainly don't feel obligated to survive at any cost just to fuel those social structures that seem to crave nothing but self-sacrificing slaves. I don't see any reason to play along with anyone's conformist illusions; everything we've built around us is just an illusion that we can walk away from whenever we choose.

I lost the need to be accepted or loved by others a long time ago. In my younger years, that was my heaviest burden—this massive illusion that I actually needed to have friends, much less that I needed to cater to the whims of people who are even bigger idiots than I am.
By being born, we didn't sign some cosmic contract stating that we owe anything to anyone, least of all to people who blindly follow and suck up to every social norm and stereotype out there.

As Bukowski roughly put it: "I don't like people, nor do I want to be near them, but I need them just so I can eat." And that really is the only condition we should agree to: reducing our relationship with this unwanted social system to the bare minimum required to sustain us and provide the basic necessities of life with as little hassle as possible.

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