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Drew Perez9 Drew Perez9 NewcomerOP
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#1 ·
Alright folks, I’m opening this thread to act as a sort of unofficial advice column here.🙂

First question on the table: how do you avoid those exhausting little dating games? You know the drill—you reach out, they ghost you, then suddenly they pop up out of nowhere, or if you don't reply instantly, they start blowing up your phone asking why you're ignoring them. Has anyone else dealt with this kind of manipulation? I brought it up to my girlfriends, and honestly, they don't see what the big deal is. They actually seem totally down for it, arguing that you have to "prove yourself" when you're the new one in the mix. They claim this whole hunter-versus-prey dynamic is actually desirable. Is that true? Or isn't genuine passion and attraction enough?
Kevin Nguyen3 Kevin Nguyen3 Regular
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#2 ·
Drew Perez9 said:Alright folks, I’m opening this thread to act as a sort of unofficial advice column here.🙂

First question on the table: how do you avoid those exhausting little dating games? You know the drill—you reach out, they ghost you, then suddenly they pop up out of nowhere, or if you don't reply instantly, they start blowing up your phone asking why you're ignoring them. Has anyone else dealt with this kind of manipulation? I brought it up to my girlfriends, and honestly, they don't see what the big deal is. They actually seem totally down for it, arguing that you have to "prove yourself" when you're the new one in the mix. They claim this whole hunter-versus-prey dynamic is actually desirable. Is that true? Or isn't genuine passion and attraction enough?

Not at all.☕
What is the most frequent response one receives when expressing a sincere desire to love and be loved? It is nothing more than a barrage of insults! They call you an emotional weakling. They claim you aren't a "real man." They label you a mama's boy. It is just a endless parade of labels—attributes that are utterly useless and completely devoid of any actual objectivity! Why must people resort to such trivialities? Is it truly so terrifying to admit to wanting connection? It is simply absurd.
Is there anything more revealing than how someone handles a game? Truly, I ask you! Games aren't just mere distractions or trivial pastimes; they are an essential component of the getting-to-know-you process. It’s a litmus test, isn't it? A way to peel back the layers of a stranger's psyche. So, how does one prepare? How does one adapt to the ultimate "exam of love"? You have to be ready for everything. You have to study the patterns, observe the reactions, and brace yourself for the unexpected. It is a rigorous trial, much like any high-stakes assessment we face in life here in the States. One must remain vigilant, yet poised. Are you prepared for the scrutiny? I suspect most are not.
Do manipulators even exist? I truly believe they don't. Not really. We are the ones who manufacture them, isn't that right? We create them out of thin air! If you give someone the stage and tell them to play the part of a "manipulator," well, they’ll take that role and run with it. They will become exactly what we've decided they are. It's all in our heads, isn't it?
Is it just me, or does it feel like a widespread issue? It really seems that so many people simply lack any sort of psychological defense mechanism when dealing with certain personalities. And honestly, isn't that exactly how this whole manipulator phenomenon gained such massive momentum? Without those mental shields in place, they just walk right in, don't they? It's quite a troubling cycle to witness.
Wasn't there a thread about manipulation floating around somewhere? It was actually quite a profound discussion. Truly. One really had to stop and think about it.
Love? It isn’t some grand exception to the rules of the world, is it? No. Sadly, we see it all the time—people playing games with someone else's heart in the most devastating ways possible. They find that moment of vulnerability, that raw openness that only true love can bring out, and they exploit it. How can anyone be so callous? To take someone's sincerity and turn it into a weapon... it's just fundamentally wrong.
crimsoncanyon2 crimsoncanyon2 Active Member
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#3 ·
Drew Perez9 said:Alright folks, I’m opening this thread to act as a sort of unofficial advice column here.🙂

First question on the table: how do you avoid those exhausting little dating games? You know the drill—you reach out, they ghost you, then suddenly they pop up out of nowhere, or if you don't reply instantly, they start blowing up your phone asking why you're ignoring them. Has anyone else dealt with this kind of manipulation? I brought it up to my girlfriends, and honestly, they don't see what the big deal is. They actually seem totally down for it, arguing that you have to "prove yourself" when you're the new one in the mix. They claim this whole hunter-versus-prey dynamic is actually desirable. Is that true? Or isn't genuine passion and attraction enough?

Your friends must be completely delusional... not.🤣 🤣
A guy who pulls stunts like that is essentially telling you that you're just an object for him to manipulate. He expects you to wait around and bend to his schedule, yet the second he wants something, you’re expected to be available at a moment's notice. It's pretty obvious he isn't actually invested—his frantic energy when you don't reply immediately, or his demand for endless conversation, is purely about catering to his own needs and feeding his massive ego. It shows a total lack of empathy or emotional intelligence.
The best way to handle people like this is to be blunt: "Look, I'm busy right now." And once he starts acting entitled or making excuses, just make it crystal clear that he shouldn't expect anything different from you than what he gives to you.
Or just ghost him.

Women who don't call out these manipulative tactics right away usually end up being the ones getting played.
Morgan Bishop4 Morgan Bishop4 Active Member
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#4 ·
It doesn't have to be that way. If you just refuse to play along with all that bullshit, then none of it happens. You can honestly just be blunt with everyone, and eventually, you’ll stumble upon some guy who meets you halfway, and then you two can actually be happy together... 😁
I don't get the appeal of these little mind games at all, I've never played them, and honestly, I'm not missing out on anything.
It's like saying if you want to make a friend, you have to pass some stupid, made-up hazing ritual or a test of courage or whatever just to prove you're worthy of their friendship.
If someone actually gives a damn about you, they aren't going to care nearly as much about protecting their ego or maintaining control as they do about just spending time with you.
Nancy Young4 Nancy Young4 Newcomer
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#5 ·
If he starts giving you the cold shoulder like that, just go ahead and find yourself someone new.
Kevin Nguyen3 Kevin Nguyen3 Regular
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#6 ·
Morgan Bishop4 said:It doesn't have to be that way. If you just refuse to play along with all that bullshit, then none of it happens. You can honestly just be blunt with everyone, and eventually, you’ll stumble upon some guy who meets you halfway, and then you two can actually be happy together... 😁
I don't get the appeal of these little mind games at all, I've never played them, and honestly, I'm not missing out on anything.
It's like saying if you want to make a friend, you have to pass some stupid, made-up hazing ritual or a test of courage or whatever just to prove you're worthy of their friendship.
If someone actually gives a damn about you, they aren't going to care nearly as much about protecting their ego or maintaining control as they do about just spending time with you.

The real issue? It’s much larger than just realizing you're caught in a cycle of manipulation—it's when you aren't even aware it's happening in the first place. That seems to be the most common trap, doesn't it?
You find yourself spiraling into this closed loop of lies, deceptions, misinformation... an almost total distortion of reality, all just to satisfy that fundamental human need—the need to be loved—through a potential relationship.
And then, over time, your own needs slowly begin to fade away until everything revolves entirely around the manipulator's needs.
Right from the start, we sense that things aren't quite right, but because we lack foresight, we fail to see the exit. We allow ourselves to become mere playthings for someone else simply because we believe in a higher purpose—love.
Even after such a toxic connection ends, people walk away with these heavy experiences they don't even know how to utilize in the future, and why? Because they were never truly conscious of the manipulation occurring.
People emerge from those types of relationships feeling completely discouraged, doubting their own views on love, yet never once suspecting that they weren't the ones at fault for the situation.
Brenda Booth5 Brenda Booth5 Member
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#7 ·
Drew Perez9 As I was saying...
Listen, my dear friends... I’m opening up this thread to serve as a sort of advisory space... a place where we can all turn to one another...🙂

So, my first big question is this: how do you actually stop playing these ridiculous little dating games? You know the ones—where it’s all "reach out to him first," then he ignores you, then suddenly he’s the one blowing up your phone, or if you don't reply instantly, he starts sending those passive-aggressive follow-ups asking why you're being so quiet. It's exhausting... I’ve tried talking to my girlfriends about this whole thing, but they honestly don't see what the big deal is. In fact, they’re practically eager to dive into it! They argue that when you're meeting someone "new," you have to prove yourself somehow... they even told me that this whole hunter-versus-prey dynamic is actually desirable and necessary if you want to succeed. But I have to wonder... is all that maneuvering really necessary? Isn't genuine passion and actual chemistry supposed to be enough?

Games and rituals have always been around, just constantly shifting their shape over time... but if you actually know what you want out of life—or more importantly, what you don't—then you really have the choice to either play along or just opt out entirely.
It seems to me that if you aren't interested in playing those games, you’ve essentially chosen the more challenging path... though it doesn't necessarily have to be an impossible one. You're simply being upfront about who you are and making it clear that you have absolutely no appetite for the whole cat-and-mouse routine.
There will always be people who just can't wrap their heads around your vision. They might even try to talk you out of it, telling you that you're doing the wrong thing, that you're drifting away from the crowd, or that you've lost touch with reality... but why...?

In my estimation, there really shouldn't be any concessions made here. If you find certain behaviors—say, someone constantly fiddling with their phone during a conversation—to be unacceptable, then it stands to reason that you probably won't care for the individual behind the device either, wouldn't you agree? 😉
crimsoncanyon2 crimsoncanyon2 Active Member
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#8 ·
Morgan Bishop4 said:It doesn't have to be that way. If you just refuse to play along with all that bullshit, then none of it happens. You can honestly just be blunt with everyone, and eventually, you’ll stumble upon some guy who meets you halfway, and then you two can actually be happy together... 😁
I don't get the appeal of these little mind games at all, I've never played them, and honestly, I'm not missing out on anything.
It's like saying if you want to make a friend, you have to pass some stupid, made-up hazing ritual or a test of courage or whatever just to prove you're worthy of their friendship.
If someone actually gives a damn about you, they aren't going to care nearly as much about protecting their ego or maintaining control as they do about just spending time with you.

Oh, come on, don't be like that 🙂 ,
with a fake "friendship test" happening inside someone's head, you can't really tell if it's a genuine moment or just a setup—but with this kind of thing, even a girl would see right through it.

There's a huge difference between creating a scenario to trigger an honest, spontaneous reaction, and manipulating someone just to make them look like a fool or lead them by the nose.
Nicholas Gonzalez8 Nicholas Gonzalez8 Regular
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#9 ·
Look, you’ve gotta walk away from this guy—just cut ties—and start looking for someone who actually fits your life. If you decide to call him out on his nonsense, hey, maybe he'll step up and change, but honestly? It’s a toss-up whether he'll actually fix himself or if he's just going to put on a temporary act to win you back over.
Ronald Sanchez16 Ronald Sanchez16 Newcomer
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#10 ·
Look, some people dig those kinds of games, and some don't. It's pretty simple—you just let them know whether you're into it or not...
If people enjoy it, then I guess they need it. You can certainly live without it, though.
But calling that "manipulation"? That's a massive stretch, at least if you ask me. To me, actual manipulation in a relationship looks like lying, cheating, or playing someone just to serve your own interests...
That kind of thread is dangerous, unwanted, and it never ends well.
Richard Wells Richard Wells Active Member
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#11 ·
Just because everyone around you thinks it’s fine doesn't mean it actually is. Mature people lean on communication, empathy, giving each other breathing room, and growing as individuals—while still finding stuff to do together. Basically, you work on building a healthy vibe where both people feel happy and fulfilled. Forcing things or asking annoying questions like, "Why haven't you texted me back yet?" just isn't it. That behavior only screams insecurity or shows someone has absolutely nothing better to do with their life. I dealt with one guy who tried that once, and I kicked him to the curb within five minutes.
Kevin Nguyen3 Kevin Nguyen3 Regular
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#12 ·
Richard Wells said:Just because everyone around you thinks it’s fine doesn't mean it actually is. Mature people lean on communication, empathy, giving each other breathing room, and growing as individuals—while still finding stuff to do together. Basically, you work on building a healthy vibe where both people feel happy and fulfilled. Forcing things or asking annoying questions like, "Why haven't you texted me back yet?" just isn't it. That behavior only screams insecurity or shows someone has absolutely nothing better to do with their life. I dealt with one guy who tried that once, and I kicked him to the curb within five minutes.

See? That’s how a well-placed foot can be such an incredibly effective tool against a manipulator. Honestly, shouldn't we be discussing "foot-based manipulation" instead?😁 Leg-based maneuvering...🙂
There’s really no such thing as a "manipulator." We just invent all these fancy definitions to fit ourselves into certain patterns, regardless of whether we actually have a valid excuse or not.
Whenever I think of someone who might be acting like a manipulator (even if I refuse to admit it!), what I'm actually doing is looking at where I failed or missed something in the conversation.
Most likely, I simply didn't account for all the different ways they could approach me—I overlooked the expected behavior.
And then, immediately, I end up feeling like a total fool.😵
People are naturally predictable, mostly on an unconscious level, which is why these situations keep repeating themselves.
Once we become aware of that—once we can actually anticipate it—we significantly reduce the possibility of being manipulated.
Richard Wells Richard Wells Active Member
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#13 ·
I'm with you on that. Once someone tries to pull a fast one on you, it really just comes down to how you handle it and what your next move is. Manipulators are everywhere; it just depends on who they think they can get away with.

It honestly cracks me up how people act like obvious red flags are totally normal behavior. I mean, hey, we aren't all out here doing the work on ourselves, and everyone sees things through a different lens. I'm feeling a bit uneasy about 😁
Frank Thomas92 Frank Thomas92 Member
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#14 ·
You know what might actually help here?
Clear, direct answers.
I’m sitting here watching this movie; let's catch up once it wraps up.
I'm over at my grandma's house right now helping her shred cabbage for coleslaw—talk to you tonight.
And then there's that gap where you just disappear between texts.
You only reach out when you feel like it, and even then, you act like nothing happened in the interim.
It feels like you're only willing to talk about whatever suits your mood.
If someone gets upset and won't let it go, the best move is to simply say, "Look, I don't know how to respond to this right now. I'm sorry you're angry. If you want, I can call you later—just tell me when works best." Then, you actually follow through and call them exactly when you said you would.
Honestly, so many people walk around thinking they own everyone else's space. They have zero respect for their own time or anyone else's, constantly crossing lines just to get an emotional fix. They measure your boundaries by seeing just how far they can push into your private life. It's a hard habit to break in people. Don't be afraid to cut ties if things aren't working.
Gerald Nguyen91 Gerald Nguyen91 Newcomer
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#15 ·
Manipulation has become such an ingrained part of our society—from the people we interact with daily to the broader culture at large—that I wouldn't be surprised if they started teaching it as a core subject in American schools quite soon. 🙂

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hiddeneagle98 hiddeneagle98 Regular
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#16 ·
Drew Perez9 said:Alright folks, I’m opening this thread to act as a sort of unofficial advice column here.🙂

First question on the table: how do you avoid those exhausting little dating games? You know the drill—you reach out, they ghost you, then suddenly they pop up out of nowhere, or if you don't reply instantly, they start blowing up your phone asking why you're ignoring them. Has anyone else dealt with this kind of manipulation? I brought it up to my girlfriends, and honestly, they don't see what the big deal is. They actually seem totally down for it, arguing that you have to "prove yourself" when you're the new one in the mix. They claim this whole hunter-versus-prey dynamic is actually desirable. Is that true? Or isn't genuine passion and attraction enough?

Video games aren't just some mindless distraction or a way to kill time; they’re actually a sophisticated form of communication, a way for people to prove themselves, and a constant struggle to validate one's own sense of control over an environment.

Look, here’s the thing about attraction: a woman needs to see strength and stability in a man first and foremost. That sense of security is what makes him magnetic. But there’s a catch, a bit of a psychological dance, if you will. She has to find a way to subtly undermine that very strength by making him dependent on her emotional support. It’s like a slow pivot; she creates a scenario where he relies on her to maintain his footing, which effectively gives her a backstage pass to tap into all that power and security he possesses. It's a strategic trade-off—she gains access to his strength by becoming the one thing he can't function without.

It all comes down to the fundamental balance between men and women—it’s that classic yin and yang dynamic you see everywhere. Honestly, whether you're looking at the way animals interact in the wild or how we function in modern American society, it's the bedrock of every relationship. It's just nature's way of keeping things in equilibrium.

Look, we need to talk about how people actually function, because most folks are just walking around performing a script they don't even realize they wrote. Think about it: every external move you make—your gestures, your actions, the way you manipulate a relationship—is essentially just a learned set of "signs." It’s a language. We aren't just acting out of thin air; we are using these outward behaviors as tools to test and validate something happening deep inside our own heads. It’s how we try to confirm things like our sense of control, our need for connection, or even our dependency on someone else. The problem is that this internal stuff—these raw feelings and needs—is invisible. You can't exactly hold a feeling in your hand and show it to someone to prove it exists. So, what do we do? We take that complex, messy internal state and we "cheapen" it. We strip away its nuance and convert it into something external, like a specific word or a calculated action. It’s a sort of psychological shortcut. We throw this simplified version at another person, basically baiting them into a complementary reaction. We act a certain way so that they respond in a specific way, and in that moment, their reaction serves as the "proof" we need to validate our own projected internal reality. It’s all just one big cycle of projecting an internal state onto the world to see if the world reflects it back.

When you look at how they function, there’s always this inherent power dynamic at play—it's basically a constant seesaw between being the one in charge and the one taking orders, just a perpetual balancing act between those two extremes.

When a woman starts feeling like she’s somehow superior to her husband, she stops acting like a partner and starts acting like a mother dealing with a particularly difficult toddler. It's that condescending, hovering, constant supervision vibe—treating him like some kind of wayward child who can't be trusted to tie his own shoelaces without a lecture. She turns into this nagging maternal figure, managing his life with a sort of malicious, controlling energy, treating her own spouse like a problematic kid who needs constant discipline.

When a woman feels like she’s constantly being kept in a subordinate position by her husband, her entire demeanor shifts—she starts acting more like a daughter seeking approval from her father than a partner to a man. It’s that dynamic where she’s looking to a good, steady father figure for guidance rather than standing as an equal next to a spouse.

Those two types of relationships are basically hardwired during childhood, and once you hit adulthood, you’re just stuck running those same outdated scripts on loop. Think about it: you go through puberty, and suddenly all those old dynamics with your parents become impossible to maintain because your hormones are screaming at you to find someone new—someone you can actually be intimate with and, you know, reproduce with. But here’s the kicker: once you finally find that new partner, you don't start from scratch. Instead, you just end up projecting those exact same childhood patterns onto them, recreating the same messy cycles all over again.

Games and video games aren't just mindless distractions; they mostly function as a training ground for synchronizing and recognizing those deep-seated patterns people use to navigate power struggles within their relationships.

When someone comes out of nowhere and immediately starts laying out their intense desire for marriage and kids, they aren't actually seeing you. They’re just looking at you as a tool to satisfy their own unmet cravings for a family life. It’s pure objectification. In their head, your actual personality and who you are as an individual don't even matter; you're just being cast in the role of "the perfect wife" to help them soothe their own anxieties about being single. It’s a massive red flag, and honestly, it shouldn't be treated like some cute, romantic gesture or a little game. It's unsettling. It means this person has already built an entire future around a fantasy version of you before they’ve even bothered to learn your middle name. They aren't falling for you—they're falling for a blueprint they've projected onto you, and that's a recipe for disaster.

Some people try to assert control by playing those petty jealousy games, while others do it by picking a fight over the most insignificant, trivial nonsense imaginable. Either way, the end goal is always the same: they’re looking to smash through your personal boundaries just to prove they can. It’s this desperate attempt to break down your independence to force a sense of unity—basically, they want to tear down your autonomy as proof that you’ve entered some kind of unbreakable, suffocating symbiosis.
Gregory Anderson4 Gregory Anderson4 Newcomer
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#17 ·
hiddeneagle98 said:Video games aren't just some mindless distraction or a way to kill time; they’re actually a sophisticated form of communication, a way for people to prove themselves, and a constant struggle to validate one's own sense of control over an environment.

Look, here’s the thing about attraction: a woman needs to see strength and stability in a man first and foremost. That sense of security is what makes him magnetic. But there’s a catch, a bit of a psychological dance, if you will. She has to find a way to subtly undermine that very strength by making him dependent on her emotional support. It’s like a slow pivot; she creates a scenario where he relies on her to maintain his footing, which effectively gives her a backstage pass to tap into all that power and security he possesses. It's a strategic trade-off—she gains access to his strength by becoming the one thing he can't function without.

It all comes down to the fundamental balance between men and women—it’s that classic yin and yang dynamic you see everywhere. Honestly, whether you're looking at the way animals interact in the wild or how we function in modern American society, it's the bedrock of every relationship. It's just nature's way of keeping things in equilibrium.

Look, we need to talk about how people actually function, because most folks are just walking around performing a script they don't even realize they wrote. Think about it: every external move you make—your gestures, your actions, the way you manipulate a relationship—is essentially just a learned set of "signs." It’s a language. We aren't just acting out of thin air; we are using these outward behaviors as tools to test and validate something happening deep inside our own heads. It’s how we try to confirm things like our sense of control, our need for connection, or even our dependency on someone else. The problem is that this internal stuff—these raw feelings and needs—is invisible. You can't exactly hold a feeling in your hand and show it to someone to prove it exists. So, what do we do? We take that complex, messy internal state and we "cheapen" it. We strip away its nuance and convert it into something external, like a specific word or a calculated action. It’s a sort of psychological shortcut. We throw this simplified version at another person, basically baiting them into a complementary reaction. We act a certain way so that they respond in a specific way, and in that moment, their reaction serves as the "proof" we need to validate our own projected internal reality. It’s all just one big cycle of projecting an internal state onto the world to see if the world reflects it back.

When you look at how they function, there’s always this inherent power dynamic at play—it's basically a constant seesaw between being the one in charge and the one taking orders, just a perpetual balancing act between those two extremes.

When a woman starts feeling like she’s somehow superior to her husband, she stops acting like a partner and starts acting like a mother dealing with a particularly difficult toddler. It's that condescending, hovering, constant supervision vibe—treating him like some kind of wayward child who can't be trusted to tie his own shoelaces without a lecture. She turns into this nagging maternal figure, managing his life with a sort of malicious, controlling energy, treating her own spouse like a problematic kid who needs constant discipline.

When a woman feels like she’s constantly being kept in a subordinate position by her husband, her entire demeanor shifts—she starts acting more like a daughter seeking approval from her father than a partner to a man. It’s that dynamic where she’s looking to a good, steady father figure for guidance rather than standing as an equal next to a spouse.

Those two types of relationships are basically hardwired during childhood, and once you hit adulthood, you’re just stuck running those same outdated scripts on loop. Think about it: you go through puberty, and suddenly all those old dynamics with your parents become impossible to maintain because your hormones are screaming at you to find someone new—someone you can actually be intimate with and, you know, reproduce with. But here’s the kicker: once you finally find that new partner, you don't start from scratch. Instead, you just end up projecting those exact same childhood patterns onto them, recreating the same messy cycles all over again.

Games and video games aren't just mindless distractions; they mostly function as a training ground for synchronizing and recognizing those deep-seated patterns people use to navigate power struggles within their relationships.

When someone comes out of nowhere and immediately starts laying out their intense desire for marriage and kids, they aren't actually seeing you. They’re just looking at you as a tool to satisfy their own unmet cravings for a family life. It’s pure objectification. In their head, your actual personality and who you are as an individual don't even matter; you're just being cast in the role of "the perfect wife" to help them soothe their own anxieties about being single. It’s a massive red flag, and honestly, it shouldn't be treated like some cute, romantic gesture or a little game. It's unsettling. It means this person has already built an entire future around a fantasy version of you before they’ve even bothered to learn your middle name. They aren't falling for you—they're falling for a blueprint they've projected onto you, and that's a recipe for disaster.

Some people try to assert control by playing those petty jealousy games, while others do it by picking a fight over the most insignificant, trivial nonsense imaginable. Either way, the end goal is always the same: they’re looking to smash through your personal boundaries just to prove they can. It’s this desperate attempt to break down your independence to force a sense of unity—basically, they want to tear down your autonomy as proof that you’ve entered some kind of unbreakable, suffocating symbiosis.

But what happens when a woman actually feels like an equal to her man? Does that even exist?
hiddeneagle98 hiddeneagle98 Regular
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#18 ·
Gregory Anderson4 said:But what happens when a woman actually feels like an equal to her man? Does that even exist?

If you ask me, in any given moment between two people, true equality doesn't really exist.

A healthy relationship involves both people swapping roles back and forth; a partnership thrives when you correctly identify when one person needs to lead and when the other needs to follow. In any dynamic, there is always a teacher and a student. In a functional bond, those roles shift constantly. Furthermore, in a good relationship, the teacher genuinely cares for their student, and the student respects the teacher, even if it's crystal clear who holds the authority. There is a massive, unmistakable difference between a healthy hierarchy and an abusive master/slave dynamic.

Real problems start creeping in when someone ALWAYS grabs the dominant role, or when someone constantly forces themselves into a subordinate position.

When it comes to the concept of "equality" between men and women, I am a firm believer in equal rights. However, after spending a year diving deep into a mountain of neurological and psychological research, it's obvious that men and women aren't biologically identical. As I mentioned, the female role is naturally geared toward group support, while the male role focuses on group protection. A well-adjusted individual carries a balance of both masculine and feminine traits, but testosterone and estrogen drive the production of Vasopressin—which essentially translates to Oxytocin in this context. Oxytocin drives emotional responsiveness, group cohesion for protection, and defensive aggression. You can't just ignore biology; men and women are fundamentally different.

In my view, the most successful marriages are the ones where both partners understand this reality and lean into it to their advantage. Like I said earlier, a student can deeply love their teacher despite the hierarchy. Similarly, a woman can love a man who provides for the household, provided that man isn't some jerk using his status to exploit her. That kind of connection can be far more harmonious than a relationship where both people try to play both roles despite their biological differences.

I suppose the old-school types might give me a round of applause for saying this, but if you actually dig into the science, all of this truth eventually floats to the surface.
Gregory Anderson4 Gregory Anderson4 Newcomer
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#19 ·
hiddeneagle98 said:If you ask me, in any given moment between two people, true equality doesn't really exist.

A healthy relationship involves both people swapping roles back and forth; a partnership thrives when you correctly identify when one person needs to lead and when the other needs to follow. In any dynamic, there is always a teacher and a student. In a functional bond, those roles shift constantly. Furthermore, in a good relationship, the teacher genuinely cares for their student, and the student respects the teacher, even if it's crystal clear who holds the authority. There is a massive, unmistakable difference between a healthy hierarchy and an abusive master/slave dynamic.

Real problems start creeping in when someone ALWAYS grabs the dominant role, or when someone constantly forces themselves into a subordinate position.

When it comes to the concept of "equality" between men and women, I am a firm believer in equal rights. However, after spending a year diving deep into a mountain of neurological and psychological research, it's obvious that men and women aren't biologically identical. As I mentioned, the female role is naturally geared toward group support, while the male role focuses on group protection. A well-adjusted individual carries a balance of both masculine and feminine traits, but testosterone and estrogen drive the production of Vasopressin—which essentially translates to Oxytocin in this context. Oxytocin drives emotional responsiveness, group cohesion for protection, and defensive aggression. You can't just ignore biology; men and women are fundamentally different.

In my view, the most successful marriages are the ones where both partners understand this reality and lean into it to their advantage. Like I said earlier, a student can deeply love their teacher despite the hierarchy. Similarly, a woman can love a man who provides for the household, provided that man isn't some jerk using his status to exploit her. That kind of connection can be far more harmonious than a relationship where both people try to play both roles despite their biological differences.

I suppose the old-school types might give me a round of applause for saying this, but if you actually dig into the science, all of this truth eventually floats to the surface.

Oh yeah, heavy stuff right there. Look, we’re definitely not on the same page, obviously. I’m totally with you on what was said here.
Ronald Jones Ronald Jones Active Member
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I have a deep-seated aversion to such blatant manipulations. 😳 ☕

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