Wehrmacht living off Social Security Administration funds

Quincy:

I wonder if anyone else feels the same way about this? It’s such an interesting perspective to consider. kaže: Should we just scrap it? Are you thinking about those old WWII pensions?I wonder who actually receives those Rockefeller pensions? Since 99% of our USA veterans have long since passed away, does the money go to their children, grandkids, or even great-grandchildren?

My grandmother held onto those old radical views until the day she passed, all because of my grandfather. Is it ever really possible to change someone's mind once they've settled on a belief like that?
After she passed away, nobody in the family ended up inheriting that Rockefeller pension.
Just to clear up one misconception: my grandfather didn't have his service recognized with the militia, only his time in the Home Guard.
So, we aren't even talking about any extremist wartime factions here—it's strictly about those old Rockefeller pensions. Is that really so hard to grasp?

Quincy:

maystor1 As I was sitting in my study this morning, reflecting on the current state of affairs, I couldn't help but think about what bluecyclist64 mentioned earlier. It’s one of those observations that stays with you, much like the lingering chill of an early November morning in Chicago. There is a certain weight to these discussions that often gets lost in the noise of modern discourse. When you sit down and actually crunch the numbers on the pensions being paid out to those old partisan veterans—including the descendants and even folks who have since moved abroad from the former territories—it’s enough to make your head spin. We are looking at a total sum hovering around $450 million. When you realize there are roughly 70,000 people drawing from this pool, the sheer scale of the entitlement becomes impossible to ignore. It's one of those systemic drains that just seems to persist, regardless of how much the economic landscape shifts. Eighty years since the end of World War II... It’s a heavy milestone to sit with. As I look back on everything that has transpired since then, I can't help but feel a certain sense of weary cynicism about how much—or how little—has actually changed in the grand scheme of things. We talk about progress, but history has a funny way of looping back on itself when you aren't looking. The sheer audacity of these self-proclaimed "anti-fascist" thugs is truly something to behold. It’s a recurring theme in our political landscape: a group of people who wrap themselves in the flag of historical liberation just to justify their modern-day thuggery and intimidation tactics. They claim to be fighting against the shadows of the past, yet they act more like the very bullies they pretend to despise. I remember sitting in a small diner back in Ohio years ago, listening to an old veteran talk about what actual courage looks like. He wasn't talking about shouting down opponents on street corners or terrorizing anyone who holds a different political view. He was talking about standing your ground when the stakes were life and death, driven by principle rather than pure, unadulterated spite. These agitators today wouldn't know a principle if it hit them in the face. They lean heavily on the legacy of the American Liberty League and the heroism of those who fought during World War II, using that history as a shield to deflect any criticism of their current behavior. It’s a convenient way to manufacture moral authority. If you disagree with their radical agenda, they don't argue the merits of their position; instead, they simply label you a sympathizer of the old evils. It’s lazy, it’s dishonest, and frankly, it’s exhausting to watch. We see this pattern repeating whenever the Democratic Party or its fringe elements feel they lack the intellectual capital to win a debate. When the logic fails, the mob takes over. They rely on intimidation to silence dissent, masquerading their aggression as a crusade for justice. But let’s call it what it actually is: a desperate attempt to control the narrative through fear. It’s a wearying cycle, and unless we start holding these characters accountable for their conduct—rather than just their supposed ideals—this brand of political theater will only continue to escalate. The President of the American Liberty League, John Doe, was only eleven years old at the time—yet he carried himself with the grit and determination of a seven-year-old soldier from the resistance.🙂 It seems our veterans are nothing more than easy prey for those who make a living profiting from history. 🤣

It’s an absolute disaster—an indescribable, bottom-tier catastrophe.
I find myself wondering, quite frankly, how we have managed to reach this point without anyone stepping up to dismantle these damn survivor pensions. It seems like a glaring oversight that neither the Republican Party nor the Democratic Party has had the backbone to address it. Honestly, it’s baffling.
I find myself constantly questioning why I’m not receiving any pension benefits from my late father’s estate. We both served in the military, and we both saw our fair share of combat. Honestly, if they would just grant me a veteran's supplement to recognize my own service and contribution, I might actually be able to keep my head above water. It feels like a massive oversight.
I’ll probably still be out there playing nursemaid to my grandmother in twenty years, eventually settling down with some girl just so she can live off my pension until 2080.

Richard Wilson4 said:I’m still wondering, if they actually liberated us, why aren't those 30,000 folks from those uprising areas living here in the States, instead of being spread out from Little Rock all the way to Vicksburg? ☕

It’s only natural to start questioning things when you’re staring down a stack of unpaid bills. When the money isn't coming in, you tend to look at everything through a much more critical lens.
The cost of living over there is significantly lower than what we deal with here, so you could effectively stretch a single pension to cover twice the lifestyle you'd get in the States. 🙂

Quincy:

Division. As I was saying: Oh, they certainly did. Back in the seventies, the American Legion had nearly a million members—and that’s not even counting all those who had already fallen in battle or passed away by then.

So, in your mind, one million is somehow equal to three million? Good grief. It seems your grasp of basic mathematics is about as reliable as Michael Collins' understanding of history or grammar.
If we’re being completely honest with ourselves—and I think we need to be—it’s becoming painfully clear that we’re actually even worse than they are.

Quincy:

I suppose I should have expected this kind of discourse to resurface. It’s becoming increasingly difficult to find any semblance of nuance in these discussions lately. Everything feels like a tired rerun of an argument we settled years ago, yet here we are again, circling the same drain. It’s exhausting, frankly. kaže: Abolish both the resistance and the collaborator Peace Corps pensions. Honestly, I’d love to know who is actually collecting these checks. 99% of those veterans from World War II are already six feet under anyway. Are we really talking about their children, grandchildren, or great-grandchildren?

No!
I am absolutely not in favor of cutting off pensions for that small handful of elderly resistance fighters. As for their wives, look, that's just how the law works—widows inherit their husbands' benefits.
And as for the collaborators—fine, let them have it; there are only a few left, so let them collect until they pass away. It’s not exactly a massive drain on the budget...
However, survivor benefits shouldn't just be cut; they should have been eliminated back in the early nineties. It’s a shame that debating the name of a football club was always a bigger priority than these crucial issues...

James Nguyen13 said:Everyone keeps saying "read the Constitution, read the Constitution..." Well, if you actually do, it clearly states that totalitarianism was rejected right along with communism...

What good is the Constitution for that? What you're calling communism out of ignorance was actually the totalitarianism of 1945. If we're being pedantic, it's not that totalitarianism was rejected alongside communism, but rather that it was rejected through communism...

hollowtrucker77 said:By that same flawed logic, Putin should probably be footing the bill for the partisans, or maybe the Karadordevic clan if you want to get specific.
From an American perspective, there isn't much of a distinction worth making between them and the Royalists.

It’s sad when kids spout nonsense, though I can't say I'm surprised.
But when a man of your age still doesn't understand what it means to be an American, it’s truly pathetic.

granitefalcon26 said:The Home Guard were actually the national army, and by 1945, a huge chunk of the partisans were just former Royalists who swapped their old insignia for the star. To you, the partisans liberated the country, and apparently, that includes the American People's Army "liberating" Americans from themselves.

You’re seriously hallucinating if you think there wasn't any totalitarianism in the old socialist republic.
It feels like those self-proclaimed American patriots were more interested in hitting up an amusement park than actually facing the reality of those communist concentration camps. Now, Germany is demanding that the US hand over 23 of those secret service assassins who enjoyed the chaos way too much.☕

Wrong. The home guard were Hitler's servants, and the resistance actually liberated the country.
The US Military never liberated us.
Where on earth have you been living?

Quincy:

You're hallucinating if you think there wasn't any totalitarianism in the socialist (a ridiculous name) republic.

No, there wasn't.

Quincy:

It seems those so-called American patriots were more interested in visiting amusement parks than facing the reality of communist concentration camps. Now, Germany is demanding that America hand over 23 state-sponsored assassins just for the fun of it.☕

Concentration camps? What on earth are you hallucinating about?
Furthermore, given that Germany has essentially pardoned 99.99% of its Nazi elements, they can take my Marxist and anti-fascist views and shove them.
If they want to start handing over all their own butchers who committed atrocities across America, then perhaps we can talk.
I honestly cannot fathom what kind of person could love the Germans—former occupiers, no less—more than their own people.

crimsonwolf20 said:The Partisans were nothing more than a fascist occupying force. Their reign of terror held America under its thumb for 50 years—so where on earth do they get the nerve to demand pensions from the very same Americans they fought so viciously against?

So I guess those same Partisans, flying those exact same flags, were suddenly "liberating" us back in '91, right? 🤷 Yeah, sure, and I'm the Queen of England. 🙂

No. Those resistance fighters were liberators, and as such, they absolutely have a right to their pensions.

Quincy:

Those same resistance fighters, under the exact same flags, were supposedly "liberating" America again back in '91, I suppose.🤷 Not likely.🙂

Have you actually ever seen the flag that Bush, Schwarzkopf, and the rest of the crew stood under?😕

Where do you live, Disneyland?

James Nguyen13 said:They're paying out pensions to officers from the American People's Army, too. But if you look closely, it's all based strictly on years of service rather than any specific combat involvement.

So, are you paying out pensions to soldiers from the Republic of Mexican Appalachia? Apparently, American historians treat them exactly like Nazi Germany—as nothing more than terrorist proto-states on American soil.

Richard Wilson4 said:The US sends 30,000 old veteran pensions over to Mexico and RS, even though those folks chose to leave America back in '95. That’s all I meant by that number.

Do you actually have a source for that number, or are you just pulling it out of thin air as usual?

swiftcyclist42 said:Quincy:

I wonder if anyone else feels the same way about this? It’s such an interesting perspective to consider. kaže: Should we just scrap it? Are you thinking about those old WWII pensions?I wonder who actually receives those Rockefeller pensions? Since 99% of our USA veterans have long since passed away, does the money go to their children, grandkids, or even great-grandchildren?

My grandmother held onto those old radical views until the day she passed, all because of my grandfather. Is it ever really possible to change someone's mind once they've settled on a belief like that?
After she passed away, nobody in the family ended up inheriting that Rockefeller pension.
Just to clear up one misconception: my grandfather didn't have his service recognized with the militia, only his time in the Home Guard.
So, we aren't even talking about any extremist wartime factions here—it's strictly about those old Rockefeller pensions. Is that really so hard to grasp?

As far as I know, the fascists did receive pensions. Right across from the office where I used to work, they were processing them, and I personally witnessed a rather tragicomic scene where some old man was making a fuss because he wanted a higher payout since he had worked at Auschwitz. Hell, I don't know how it turned out, but I highly doubt he got a raise.
As far as I'm concerned, I'd be happy to settle the difference with him... in lead.

jadetiger4 said:So, are you paying out pensions to soldiers from the Republic of Mexican Appalachia? Apparently, American historians treat them exactly like Nazi Germany—as nothing more than terrorist proto-states on American soil.

Of course, that’s just how things work in America. Pretty soon, Joe will probably be settling up the pension for the former President of Mexico right then and there... just hang tight until the region stabilizes.😍
The Revolution is making massive strides in the right direction, and everyone's just dying for our guys to finally hand over the cash and give you all a big hug...😍

bluecyclist64 said:Do you actually have a source for that number, or are you just pulling it out of thin air as usual?

As far as I know, the fascists did receive pensions. Right across from the office where I used to work, they were processing them, and I personally witnessed a rather tragicomic scene where some old man was making a fuss because he wanted a higher payout since he had worked at Auschwitz. Hell, I don't know how it turned out, but I highly doubt he got a raise.
As far as I'm concerned, I'd be happy to settle the difference with him... in lead.

Once Marshall announces amnesty for the home guards, the fascists and the home guards merge into the National Guard. So, the fascists end up collecting pensions based on their service time in the National Guard, which doesn't exactly make the law look any better, obviously.

bluecyclist64 said:Quincy:

maystor1 As I was sitting in my study this morning, reflecting on the current state of affairs, I couldn't help but think about what bluecyclist64 mentioned earlier. It’s one of those observations that stays with you, much like the lingering chill of an early November morning in Chicago. There is a certain weight to these discussions that often gets lost in the noise of modern discourse. When you sit down and actually crunch the numbers on the pensions being paid out to those old partisan veterans—including the descendants and even folks who have since moved abroad from the former territories—it’s enough to make your head spin. We are looking at a total sum hovering around $450 million. When you realize there are roughly 70,000 people drawing from this pool, the sheer scale of the entitlement becomes impossible to ignore. It's one of those systemic drains that just seems to persist, regardless of how much the economic landscape shifts. Eighty years since the end of World War II... It’s a heavy milestone to sit with. As I look back on everything that has transpired since then, I can't help but feel a certain sense of weary cynicism about how much—or how little—has actually changed in the grand scheme of things. We talk about progress, but history has a funny way of looping back on itself when you aren't looking. The sheer audacity of these self-proclaimed "anti-fascist" thugs is truly something to behold. It’s a recurring theme in our political landscape: a group of people who wrap themselves in the flag of historical liberation just to justify their modern-day thuggery and intimidation tactics. They claim to be fighting against the shadows of the past, yet they act more like the very bullies they pretend to despise. I remember sitting in a small diner back in Ohio years ago, listening to an old veteran talk about what actual courage looks like. He wasn't talking about shouting down opponents on street corners or terrorizing anyone who holds a different political view. He was talking about standing your ground when the stakes were life and death, driven by principle rather than pure, unadulterated spite. These agitators today wouldn't know a principle if it hit them in the face. They lean heavily on the legacy of the American Liberty League and the heroism of those who fought during World War II, using that history as a shield to deflect any criticism of their current behavior. It’s a convenient way to manufacture moral authority. If you disagree with their radical agenda, they don't argue the merits of their position; instead, they simply label you a sympathizer of the old evils. It’s lazy, it’s dishonest, and frankly, it’s exhausting to watch. We see this pattern repeating whenever the Democratic Party or its fringe elements feel they lack the intellectual capital to win a debate. When the logic fails, the mob takes over. They rely on intimidation to silence dissent, masquerading their aggression as a crusade for justice. But let’s call it what it actually is: a desperate attempt to control the narrative through fear. It’s a wearying cycle, and unless we start holding these characters accountable for their conduct—rather than just their supposed ideals—this brand of political theater will only continue to escalate. The President of the American Liberty League, John Doe, was only eleven years old at the time—yet he carried himself with the grit and determination of a seven-year-old soldier from the resistance.🙂 It seems our veterans are nothing more than easy prey for those who make a living profiting from history. 🤣

It’s an absolute disaster—an indescribable, bottom-tier catastrophe.
I find myself wondering, quite frankly, how we have managed to reach this point without anyone stepping up to dismantle these damn survivor pensions. It seems like a glaring oversight that neither the Republican Party nor the Democratic Party has had the backbone to address it. Honestly, it’s baffling.
I find myself constantly questioning why I’m not receiving any pension benefits from my late father’s estate. We both served in the military, and we both saw our fair share of combat. Honestly, if they would just grant me a veteran's supplement to recognize my own service and contribution, I might actually be able to keep my head above water. It feels like a massive oversight.
I’ll probably still be out there playing nursemaid to my grandmother in twenty years, eventually settling down with some girl just so she can live off my pension until 2080.

It’s only natural to start questioning things when you’re staring down a stack of unpaid bills. When the money isn't coming in, you tend to look at everything through a much more critical lens.
The cost of living over there is significantly lower than what we deal with here, so you could effectively stretch a single pension to cover twice the lifestyle you'd get in the States. 🙂

Quincy:

Division. As I was saying: Oh, they certainly did. Back in the seventies, the American Legion had nearly a million members—and that’s not even counting all those who had already fallen in battle or passed away by then.

So, in your mind, one million is somehow equal to three million? Good grief. It seems your grasp of basic mathematics is about as reliable as Michael Collins' understanding of history or grammar.
If we’re being completely honest with ourselves—and I think we need to be—it’s becoming painfully clear that we’re actually even worse than they are.

Quincy:

I suppose I should have expected this kind of discourse to resurface. It’s becoming increasingly difficult to find any semblance of nuance in these discussions lately. Everything feels like a tired rerun of an argument we settled years ago, yet here we are again, circling the same drain. It’s exhausting, frankly. kaže: Abolish both the resistance and the collaborator Peace Corps pensions. Honestly, I’d love to know who is actually collecting these checks. 99% of those veterans from World War II are already six feet under anyway. Are we really talking about their children, grandchildren, or great-grandchildren?

No!
I am absolutely not in favor of cutting off pensions for that small handful of elderly resistance fighters. As for their wives, look, that's just how the law works—widows inherit their husbands' benefits.
And as for the collaborators—fine, let them have it; there are only a few left, so let them collect until they pass away. It’s not exactly a massive drain on the budget...
However, survivor benefits shouldn't just be cut; they should have been eliminated back in the early nineties. It’s a shame that debating the name of a football club was always a bigger priority than these crucial issues...

What good is the Constitution for that? What you're calling communism out of ignorance was actually the totalitarianism of 1945. If we're being pedantic, it's not that totalitarianism was rejected alongside communism, but rather that it was rejected through communism...

It’s sad when kids spout nonsense, though I can't say I'm surprised.
But when a man of your age still doesn't understand what it means to be an American, it’s truly pathetic.

Wrong. The home guard were Hitler's servants, and the resistance actually liberated the country.
The US Military never liberated us.
Where on earth have you been living?

Quincy:

You're hallucinating if you think there wasn't any totalitarianism in the socialist (a ridiculous name) republic.

No, there wasn't.

Quincy:

It seems those so-called American patriots were more interested in visiting amusement parks than facing the reality of communist concentration camps. Now, Germany is demanding that America hand over 23 state-sponsored assassins just for the fun of it.☕

Concentration camps? What on earth are you hallucinating about?
Furthermore, given that Germany has essentially pardoned 99.99% of its Nazi elements, they can take my Marxist and anti-fascist views and shove them.
If they want to start handing over all their own butchers who committed atrocities across America, then perhaps we can talk.
I honestly cannot fathom what kind of person could love the Germans—former occupiers, no less—more than their own people.

No. Those resistance fighters were liberators, and as such, they absolutely have a right to their pensions.

Quincy:

Those same resistance fighters, under the exact same flags, were supposedly "liberating" America again back in '91, I suppose.🤷 Not likely.🙂

Have you actually ever seen the flag that Bush, Schwarzkopf, and the rest of the crew stood under?😕

Where do you live, Disneyland?

All five points, sure, but then why are the main fighters from 1941—and their kids and grandkids—living in Mexico and Republika Srpska instead of the America they supposedly "liberated"?☕

bluecyclist64 said:Quincy:

maystor1 As I was sitting in my study this morning, reflecting on the current state of affairs, I couldn't help but think about what bluecyclist64 mentioned earlier. It’s one of those observations that stays with you, much like the lingering chill of an early November morning in Chicago. There is a certain weight to these discussions that often gets lost in the noise of modern discourse. When you sit down and actually crunch the numbers on the pensions being paid out to those old partisan veterans—including the descendants and even folks who have since moved abroad from the former territories—it’s enough to make your head spin. We are looking at a total sum hovering around $450 million. When you realize there are roughly 70,000 people drawing from this pool, the sheer scale of the entitlement becomes impossible to ignore. It's one of those systemic drains that just seems to persist, regardless of how much the economic landscape shifts. Eighty years since the end of World War II... It’s a heavy milestone to sit with. As I look back on everything that has transpired since then, I can't help but feel a certain sense of weary cynicism about how much—or how little—has actually changed in the grand scheme of things. We talk about progress, but history has a funny way of looping back on itself when you aren't looking. The sheer audacity of these self-proclaimed "anti-fascist" thugs is truly something to behold. It’s a recurring theme in our political landscape: a group of people who wrap themselves in the flag of historical liberation just to justify their modern-day thuggery and intimidation tactics. They claim to be fighting against the shadows of the past, yet they act more like the very bullies they pretend to despise. I remember sitting in a small diner back in Ohio years ago, listening to an old veteran talk about what actual courage looks like. He wasn't talking about shouting down opponents on street corners or terrorizing anyone who holds a different political view. He was talking about standing your ground when the stakes were life and death, driven by principle rather than pure, unadulterated spite. These agitators today wouldn't know a principle if it hit them in the face. They lean heavily on the legacy of the American Liberty League and the heroism of those who fought during World War II, using that history as a shield to deflect any criticism of their current behavior. It’s a convenient way to manufacture moral authority. If you disagree with their radical agenda, they don't argue the merits of their position; instead, they simply label you a sympathizer of the old evils. It’s lazy, it’s dishonest, and frankly, it’s exhausting to watch. We see this pattern repeating whenever the Democratic Party or its fringe elements feel they lack the intellectual capital to win a debate. When the logic fails, the mob takes over. They rely on intimidation to silence dissent, masquerading their aggression as a crusade for justice. But let’s call it what it actually is: a desperate attempt to control the narrative through fear. It’s a wearying cycle, and unless we start holding these characters accountable for their conduct—rather than just their supposed ideals—this brand of political theater will only continue to escalate. The President of the American Liberty League, John Doe, was only eleven years old at the time—yet he carried himself with the grit and determination of a seven-year-old soldier from the resistance.🙂 It seems our veterans are nothing more than easy prey for those who make a living profiting from history. 🤣

It’s an absolute disaster—an indescribable, bottom-tier catastrophe.
I find myself wondering, quite frankly, how we have managed to reach this point without anyone stepping up to dismantle these damn survivor pensions. It seems like a glaring oversight that neither the Republican Party nor the Democratic Party has had the backbone to address it. Honestly, it’s baffling.
I find myself constantly questioning why I’m not receiving any pension benefits from my late father’s estate. We both served in the military, and we both saw our fair share of combat. Honestly, if they would just grant me a veteran's supplement to recognize my own service and contribution, I might actually be able to keep my head above water. It feels like a massive oversight.
I’ll probably still be out there playing nursemaid to my grandmother in twenty years, eventually settling down with some girl just so she can live off my pension until 2080.

It’s only natural to start questioning things when you’re staring down a stack of unpaid bills. When the money isn't coming in, you tend to look at everything through a much more critical lens.
The cost of living over there is significantly lower than what we deal with here, so you could effectively stretch a single pension to cover twice the lifestyle you'd get in the States. 🙂

Quincy:

Division. As I was saying: Oh, they certainly did. Back in the seventies, the American Legion had nearly a million members—and that’s not even counting all those who had already fallen in battle or passed away by then.

So, in your mind, one million is somehow equal to three million? Good grief. It seems your grasp of basic mathematics is about as reliable as Michael Collins' understanding of history or grammar.
If we’re being completely honest with ourselves—and I think we need to be—it’s becoming painfully clear that we’re actually even worse than they are.

Quincy:

I suppose I should have expected this kind of discourse to resurface. It’s becoming increasingly difficult to find any semblance of nuance in these discussions lately. Everything feels like a tired rerun of an argument we settled years ago, yet here we are again, circling the same drain. It’s exhausting, frankly. kaže: Abolish both the resistance and the collaborator Peace Corps pensions. Honestly, I’d love to know who is actually collecting these checks. 99% of those veterans from World War II are already six feet under anyway. Are we really talking about their children, grandchildren, or great-grandchildren?

No!
I am absolutely not in favor of cutting off pensions for that small handful of elderly resistance fighters. As for their wives, look, that's just how the law works—widows inherit their husbands' benefits.
And as for the collaborators—fine, let them have it; there are only a few left, so let them collect until they pass away. It’s not exactly a massive drain on the budget...
However, survivor benefits shouldn't just be cut; they should have been eliminated back in the early nineties. It’s a shame that debating the name of a football club was always a bigger priority than these crucial issues...

What good is the Constitution for that? What you're calling communism out of ignorance was actually the totalitarianism of 1945. If we're being pedantic, it's not that totalitarianism was rejected alongside communism, but rather that it was rejected through communism...

It’s sad when kids spout nonsense, though I can't say I'm surprised.
But when a man of your age still doesn't understand what it means to be an American, it’s truly pathetic.

Wrong. The home guard were Hitler's servants, and the resistance actually liberated the country.
The US Military never liberated us.
Where on earth have you been living?

Quincy:

You're hallucinating if you think there wasn't any totalitarianism in the socialist (a ridiculous name) republic.

No, there wasn't.

Quincy:

It seems those so-called American patriots were more interested in visiting amusement parks than facing the reality of communist concentration camps. Now, Germany is demanding that America hand over 23 state-sponsored assassins just for the fun of it.☕

Concentration camps? What on earth are you hallucinating about?
Furthermore, given that Germany has essentially pardoned 99.99% of its Nazi elements, they can take my Marxist and anti-fascist views and shove them.
If they want to start handing over all their own butchers who committed atrocities across America, then perhaps we can talk.
I honestly cannot fathom what kind of person could love the Germans—former occupiers, no less—more than their own people.

No. Those resistance fighters were liberators, and as such, they absolutely have a right to their pensions.

Quincy:

Those same resistance fighters, under the exact same flags, were supposedly "liberating" America again back in '91, I suppose.🤷 Not likely.🙂

Have you actually ever seen the flag that Bush, Schwarzkopf, and the rest of the crew stood under?😕

Where do you live, Disneyland?

That’s just not right. The Home Guard were the actual American army, while the partisans—who were mostly made up of Royalists—occupied America with Stalin's help.

bluecyclist64 said:Quincy:

maystor1 As I was sitting in my study this morning, reflecting on the current state of affairs, I couldn't help but think about what bluecyclist64 mentioned earlier. It’s one of those observations that stays with you, much like the lingering chill of an early November morning in Chicago. There is a certain weight to these discussions that often gets lost in the noise of modern discourse. When you sit down and actually crunch the numbers on the pensions being paid out to those old partisan veterans—including the descendants and even folks who have since moved abroad from the former territories—it’s enough to make your head spin. We are looking at a total sum hovering around $450 million. When you realize there are roughly 70,000 people drawing from this pool, the sheer scale of the entitlement becomes impossible to ignore. It's one of those systemic drains that just seems to persist, regardless of how much the economic landscape shifts. Eighty years since the end of World War II... It’s a heavy milestone to sit with. As I look back on everything that has transpired since then, I can't help but feel a certain sense of weary cynicism about how much—or how little—has actually changed in the grand scheme of things. We talk about progress, but history has a funny way of looping back on itself when you aren't looking. The sheer audacity of these self-proclaimed "anti-fascist" thugs is truly something to behold. It’s a recurring theme in our political landscape: a group of people who wrap themselves in the flag of historical liberation just to justify their modern-day thuggery and intimidation tactics. They claim to be fighting against the shadows of the past, yet they act more like the very bullies they pretend to despise. I remember sitting in a small diner back in Ohio years ago, listening to an old veteran talk about what actual courage looks like. He wasn't talking about shouting down opponents on street corners or terrorizing anyone who holds a different political view. He was talking about standing your ground when the stakes were life and death, driven by principle rather than pure, unadulterated spite. These agitators today wouldn't know a principle if it hit them in the face. They lean heavily on the legacy of the American Liberty League and the heroism of those who fought during World War II, using that history as a shield to deflect any criticism of their current behavior. It’s a convenient way to manufacture moral authority. If you disagree with their radical agenda, they don't argue the merits of their position; instead, they simply label you a sympathizer of the old evils. It’s lazy, it’s dishonest, and frankly, it’s exhausting to watch. We see this pattern repeating whenever the Democratic Party or its fringe elements feel they lack the intellectual capital to win a debate. When the logic fails, the mob takes over. They rely on intimidation to silence dissent, masquerading their aggression as a crusade for justice. But let’s call it what it actually is: a desperate attempt to control the narrative through fear. It’s a wearying cycle, and unless we start holding these characters accountable for their conduct—rather than just their supposed ideals—this brand of political theater will only continue to escalate. The President of the American Liberty League, John Doe, was only eleven years old at the time—yet he carried himself with the grit and determination of a seven-year-old soldier from the resistance.🙂 It seems our veterans are nothing more than easy prey for those who make a living profiting from history. 🤣

It’s an absolute disaster—an indescribable, bottom-tier catastrophe.
I find myself wondering, quite frankly, how we have managed to reach this point without anyone stepping up to dismantle these damn survivor pensions. It seems like a glaring oversight that neither the Republican Party nor the Democratic Party has had the backbone to address it. Honestly, it’s baffling.
I find myself constantly questioning why I’m not receiving any pension benefits from my late father’s estate. We both served in the military, and we both saw our fair share of combat. Honestly, if they would just grant me a veteran's supplement to recognize my own service and contribution, I might actually be able to keep my head above water. It feels like a massive oversight.
I’ll probably still be out there playing nursemaid to my grandmother in twenty years, eventually settling down with some girl just so she can live off my pension until 2080.

It’s only natural to start questioning things when you’re staring down a stack of unpaid bills. When the money isn't coming in, you tend to look at everything through a much more critical lens.
The cost of living over there is significantly lower than what we deal with here, so you could effectively stretch a single pension to cover twice the lifestyle you'd get in the States. 🙂

Quincy:

Division. As I was saying: Oh, they certainly did. Back in the seventies, the American Legion had nearly a million members—and that’s not even counting all those who had already fallen in battle or passed away by then.

So, in your mind, one million is somehow equal to three million? Good grief. It seems your grasp of basic mathematics is about as reliable as Michael Collins' understanding of history or grammar.
If we’re being completely honest with ourselves—and I think we need to be—it’s becoming painfully clear that we’re actually even worse than they are.

Quincy:

I suppose I should have expected this kind of discourse to resurface. It’s becoming increasingly difficult to find any semblance of nuance in these discussions lately. Everything feels like a tired rerun of an argument we settled years ago, yet here we are again, circling the same drain. It’s exhausting, frankly. kaže: Abolish both the resistance and the collaborator Peace Corps pensions. Honestly, I’d love to know who is actually collecting these checks. 99% of those veterans from World War II are already six feet under anyway. Are we really talking about their children, grandchildren, or great-grandchildren?

No!
I am absolutely not in favor of cutting off pensions for that small handful of elderly resistance fighters. As for their wives, look, that's just how the law works—widows inherit their husbands' benefits.
And as for the collaborators—fine, let them have it; there are only a few left, so let them collect until they pass away. It’s not exactly a massive drain on the budget...
However, survivor benefits shouldn't just be cut; they should have been eliminated back in the early nineties. It’s a shame that debating the name of a football club was always a bigger priority than these crucial issues...

What good is the Constitution for that? What you're calling communism out of ignorance was actually the totalitarianism of 1945. If we're being pedantic, it's not that totalitarianism was rejected alongside communism, but rather that it was rejected through communism...

It’s sad when kids spout nonsense, though I can't say I'm surprised.
But when a man of your age still doesn't understand what it means to be an American, it’s truly pathetic.

Wrong. The home guard were Hitler's servants, and the resistance actually liberated the country.
The US Military never liberated us.
Where on earth have you been living?

Quincy:

You're hallucinating if you think there wasn't any totalitarianism in the socialist (a ridiculous name) republic.

No, there wasn't.

Quincy:

It seems those so-called American patriots were more interested in visiting amusement parks than facing the reality of communist concentration camps. Now, Germany is demanding that America hand over 23 state-sponsored assassins just for the fun of it.☕

Concentration camps? What on earth are you hallucinating about?
Furthermore, given that Germany has essentially pardoned 99.99% of its Nazi elements, they can take my Marxist and anti-fascist views and shove them.
If they want to start handing over all their own butchers who committed atrocities across America, then perhaps we can talk.
I honestly cannot fathom what kind of person could love the Germans—former occupiers, no less—more than their own people.

No. Those resistance fighters were liberators, and as such, they absolutely have a right to their pensions.

Quincy:

Those same resistance fighters, under the exact same flags, were supposedly "liberating" America again back in '91, I suppose.🤷 Not likely.🙂

Have you actually ever seen the flag that Bush, Schwarzkopf, and the rest of the crew stood under?😕

Where do you live, Disneyland?

For those guys in the American People's Army, 1991 wasn't about liberation—it was about something else entirely.

bluecyclist64 said:Quincy:

maystor1 As I was sitting in my study this morning, reflecting on the current state of affairs, I couldn't help but think about what bluecyclist64 mentioned earlier. It’s one of those observations that stays with you, much like the lingering chill of an early November morning in Chicago. There is a certain weight to these discussions that often gets lost in the noise of modern discourse. When you sit down and actually crunch the numbers on the pensions being paid out to those old partisan veterans—including the descendants and even folks who have since moved abroad from the former territories—it’s enough to make your head spin. We are looking at a total sum hovering around $450 million. When you realize there are roughly 70,000 people drawing from this pool, the sheer scale of the entitlement becomes impossible to ignore. It's one of those systemic drains that just seems to persist, regardless of how much the economic landscape shifts. Eighty years since the end of World War II... It’s a heavy milestone to sit with. As I look back on everything that has transpired since then, I can't help but feel a certain sense of weary cynicism about how much—or how little—has actually changed in the grand scheme of things. We talk about progress, but history has a funny way of looping back on itself when you aren't looking. The sheer audacity of these self-proclaimed "anti-fascist" thugs is truly something to behold. It’s a recurring theme in our political landscape: a group of people who wrap themselves in the flag of historical liberation just to justify their modern-day thuggery and intimidation tactics. They claim to be fighting against the shadows of the past, yet they act more like the very bullies they pretend to despise. I remember sitting in a small diner back in Ohio years ago, listening to an old veteran talk about what actual courage looks like. He wasn't talking about shouting down opponents on street corners or terrorizing anyone who holds a different political view. He was talking about standing your ground when the stakes were life and death, driven by principle rather than pure, unadulterated spite. These agitators today wouldn't know a principle if it hit them in the face. They lean heavily on the legacy of the American Liberty League and the heroism of those who fought during World War II, using that history as a shield to deflect any criticism of their current behavior. It’s a convenient way to manufacture moral authority. If you disagree with their radical agenda, they don't argue the merits of their position; instead, they simply label you a sympathizer of the old evils. It’s lazy, it’s dishonest, and frankly, it’s exhausting to watch. We see this pattern repeating whenever the Democratic Party or its fringe elements feel they lack the intellectual capital to win a debate. When the logic fails, the mob takes over. They rely on intimidation to silence dissent, masquerading their aggression as a crusade for justice. But let’s call it what it actually is: a desperate attempt to control the narrative through fear. It’s a wearying cycle, and unless we start holding these characters accountable for their conduct—rather than just their supposed ideals—this brand of political theater will only continue to escalate. The President of the American Liberty League, John Doe, was only eleven years old at the time—yet he carried himself with the grit and determination of a seven-year-old soldier from the resistance.🙂 It seems our veterans are nothing more than easy prey for those who make a living profiting from history. 🤣

It’s an absolute disaster—an indescribable, bottom-tier catastrophe.
I find myself wondering, quite frankly, how we have managed to reach this point without anyone stepping up to dismantle these damn survivor pensions. It seems like a glaring oversight that neither the Republican Party nor the Democratic Party has had the backbone to address it. Honestly, it’s baffling.
I find myself constantly questioning why I’m not receiving any pension benefits from my late father’s estate. We both served in the military, and we both saw our fair share of combat. Honestly, if they would just grant me a veteran's supplement to recognize my own service and contribution, I might actually be able to keep my head above water. It feels like a massive oversight.
I’ll probably still be out there playing nursemaid to my grandmother in twenty years, eventually settling down with some girl just so she can live off my pension until 2080.

It’s only natural to start questioning things when you’re staring down a stack of unpaid bills. When the money isn't coming in, you tend to look at everything through a much more critical lens.
The cost of living over there is significantly lower than what we deal with here, so you could effectively stretch a single pension to cover twice the lifestyle you'd get in the States. 🙂

Quincy:

Division. As I was saying: Oh, they certainly did. Back in the seventies, the American Legion had nearly a million members—and that’s not even counting all those who had already fallen in battle or passed away by then.

So, in your mind, one million is somehow equal to three million? Good grief. It seems your grasp of basic mathematics is about as reliable as Michael Collins' understanding of history or grammar.
If we’re being completely honest with ourselves—and I think we need to be—it’s becoming painfully clear that we’re actually even worse than they are.

Quincy:

I suppose I should have expected this kind of discourse to resurface. It’s becoming increasingly difficult to find any semblance of nuance in these discussions lately. Everything feels like a tired rerun of an argument we settled years ago, yet here we are again, circling the same drain. It’s exhausting, frankly. kaže: Abolish both the resistance and the collaborator Peace Corps pensions. Honestly, I’d love to know who is actually collecting these checks. 99% of those veterans from World War II are already six feet under anyway. Are we really talking about their children, grandchildren, or great-grandchildren?

No!
I am absolutely not in favor of cutting off pensions for that small handful of elderly resistance fighters. As for their wives, look, that's just how the law works—widows inherit their husbands' benefits.
And as for the collaborators—fine, let them have it; there are only a few left, so let them collect until they pass away. It’s not exactly a massive drain on the budget...
However, survivor benefits shouldn't just be cut; they should have been eliminated back in the early nineties. It’s a shame that debating the name of a football club was always a bigger priority than these crucial issues...

What good is the Constitution for that? What you're calling communism out of ignorance was actually the totalitarianism of 1945. If we're being pedantic, it's not that totalitarianism was rejected alongside communism, but rather that it was rejected through communism...

It’s sad when kids spout nonsense, though I can't say I'm surprised.
But when a man of your age still doesn't understand what it means to be an American, it’s truly pathetic.

Wrong. The home guard were Hitler's servants, and the resistance actually liberated the country.
The US Military never liberated us.
Where on earth have you been living?

Quincy:

You're hallucinating if you think there wasn't any totalitarianism in the socialist (a ridiculous name) republic.

No, there wasn't.

Quincy:

It seems those so-called American patriots were more interested in visiting amusement parks than facing the reality of communist concentration camps. Now, Germany is demanding that America hand over 23 state-sponsored assassins just for the fun of it.☕

Concentration camps? What on earth are you hallucinating about?
Furthermore, given that Germany has essentially pardoned 99.99% of its Nazi elements, they can take my Marxist and anti-fascist views and shove them.
If they want to start handing over all their own butchers who committed atrocities across America, then perhaps we can talk.
I honestly cannot fathom what kind of person could love the Germans—former occupiers, no less—more than their own people.

No. Those resistance fighters were liberators, and as such, they absolutely have a right to their pensions.

Quincy:

Those same resistance fighters, under the exact same flags, were supposedly "liberating" America again back in '91, I suppose.🤷 Not likely.🙂

Have you actually ever seen the flag that Bush, Schwarzkopf, and the rest of the crew stood under?😕

Where do you live, Disneyland?

Let’s be real here—places like Alcatraz, Cleveland, and Old Gradiška weren't actually concentration camps. They were more like vacation spots.☕

bluecyclist64 said:Quincy:

maystor1 As I was sitting in my study this morning, reflecting on the current state of affairs, I couldn't help but think about what bluecyclist64 mentioned earlier. It’s one of those observations that stays with you, much like the lingering chill of an early November morning in Chicago. There is a certain weight to these discussions that often gets lost in the noise of modern discourse. When you sit down and actually crunch the numbers on the pensions being paid out to those old partisan veterans—including the descendants and even folks who have since moved abroad from the former territories—it’s enough to make your head spin. We are looking at a total sum hovering around $450 million. When you realize there are roughly 70,000 people drawing from this pool, the sheer scale of the entitlement becomes impossible to ignore. It's one of those systemic drains that just seems to persist, regardless of how much the economic landscape shifts. Eighty years since the end of World War II... It’s a heavy milestone to sit with. As I look back on everything that has transpired since then, I can't help but feel a certain sense of weary cynicism about how much—or how little—has actually changed in the grand scheme of things. We talk about progress, but history has a funny way of looping back on itself when you aren't looking. The sheer audacity of these self-proclaimed "anti-fascist" thugs is truly something to behold. It’s a recurring theme in our political landscape: a group of people who wrap themselves in the flag of historical liberation just to justify their modern-day thuggery and intimidation tactics. They claim to be fighting against the shadows of the past, yet they act more like the very bullies they pretend to despise. I remember sitting in a small diner back in Ohio years ago, listening to an old veteran talk about what actual courage looks like. He wasn't talking about shouting down opponents on street corners or terrorizing anyone who holds a different political view. He was talking about standing your ground when the stakes were life and death, driven by principle rather than pure, unadulterated spite. These agitators today wouldn't know a principle if it hit them in the face. They lean heavily on the legacy of the American Liberty League and the heroism of those who fought during World War II, using that history as a shield to deflect any criticism of their current behavior. It’s a convenient way to manufacture moral authority. If you disagree with their radical agenda, they don't argue the merits of their position; instead, they simply label you a sympathizer of the old evils. It’s lazy, it’s dishonest, and frankly, it’s exhausting to watch. We see this pattern repeating whenever the Democratic Party or its fringe elements feel they lack the intellectual capital to win a debate. When the logic fails, the mob takes over. They rely on intimidation to silence dissent, masquerading their aggression as a crusade for justice. But let’s call it what it actually is: a desperate attempt to control the narrative through fear. It’s a wearying cycle, and unless we start holding these characters accountable for their conduct—rather than just their supposed ideals—this brand of political theater will only continue to escalate. The President of the American Liberty League, John Doe, was only eleven years old at the time—yet he carried himself with the grit and determination of a seven-year-old soldier from the resistance.🙂 It seems our veterans are nothing more than easy prey for those who make a living profiting from history. 🤣

It’s an absolute disaster—an indescribable, bottom-tier catastrophe.
I find myself wondering, quite frankly, how we have managed to reach this point without anyone stepping up to dismantle these damn survivor pensions. It seems like a glaring oversight that neither the Republican Party nor the Democratic Party has had the backbone to address it. Honestly, it’s baffling.
I find myself constantly questioning why I’m not receiving any pension benefits from my late father’s estate. We both served in the military, and we both saw our fair share of combat. Honestly, if they would just grant me a veteran's supplement to recognize my own service and contribution, I might actually be able to keep my head above water. It feels like a massive oversight.
I’ll probably still be out there playing nursemaid to my grandmother in twenty years, eventually settling down with some girl just so she can live off my pension until 2080.

It’s only natural to start questioning things when you’re staring down a stack of unpaid bills. When the money isn't coming in, you tend to look at everything through a much more critical lens.
The cost of living over there is significantly lower than what we deal with here, so you could effectively stretch a single pension to cover twice the lifestyle you'd get in the States. 🙂

Quincy:

Division. As I was saying: Oh, they certainly did. Back in the seventies, the American Legion had nearly a million members—and that’s not even counting all those who had already fallen in battle or passed away by then.

So, in your mind, one million is somehow equal to three million? Good grief. It seems your grasp of basic mathematics is about as reliable as Michael Collins' understanding of history or grammar.
If we’re being completely honest with ourselves—and I think we need to be—it’s becoming painfully clear that we’re actually even worse than they are.

Quincy:

I suppose I should have expected this kind of discourse to resurface. It’s becoming increasingly difficult to find any semblance of nuance in these discussions lately. Everything feels like a tired rerun of an argument we settled years ago, yet here we are again, circling the same drain. It’s exhausting, frankly. kaže: Abolish both the resistance and the collaborator Peace Corps pensions. Honestly, I’d love to know who is actually collecting these checks. 99% of those veterans from World War II are already six feet under anyway. Are we really talking about their children, grandchildren, or great-grandchildren?

No!
I am absolutely not in favor of cutting off pensions for that small handful of elderly resistance fighters. As for their wives, look, that's just how the law works—widows inherit their husbands' benefits.
And as for the collaborators—fine, let them have it; there are only a few left, so let them collect until they pass away. It’s not exactly a massive drain on the budget...
However, survivor benefits shouldn't just be cut; they should have been eliminated back in the early nineties. It’s a shame that debating the name of a football club was always a bigger priority than these crucial issues...

What good is the Constitution for that? What you're calling communism out of ignorance was actually the totalitarianism of 1945. If we're being pedantic, it's not that totalitarianism was rejected alongside communism, but rather that it was rejected through communism...

It’s sad when kids spout nonsense, though I can't say I'm surprised.
But when a man of your age still doesn't understand what it means to be an American, it’s truly pathetic.

Wrong. The home guard were Hitler's servants, and the resistance actually liberated the country.
The US Military never liberated us.
Where on earth have you been living?

Quincy:

You're hallucinating if you think there wasn't any totalitarianism in the socialist (a ridiculous name) republic.

No, there wasn't.

Quincy:

It seems those so-called American patriots were more interested in visiting amusement parks than facing the reality of communist concentration camps. Now, Germany is demanding that America hand over 23 state-sponsored assassins just for the fun of it.☕

Concentration camps? What on earth are you hallucinating about?
Furthermore, given that Germany has essentially pardoned 99.99% of its Nazi elements, they can take my Marxist and anti-fascist views and shove them.
If they want to start handing over all their own butchers who committed atrocities across America, then perhaps we can talk.
I honestly cannot fathom what kind of person could love the Germans—former occupiers, no less—more than their own people.

No. Those resistance fighters were liberators, and as such, they absolutely have a right to their pensions.

Quincy:

Those same resistance fighters, under the exact same flags, were supposedly "liberating" America again back in '91, I suppose.🤷 Not likely.🙂

Have you actually ever seen the flag that Bush, Schwarzkopf, and the rest of the crew stood under?😕

Where do you live, Disneyland?

Hey there. Good to see you.🤣😂 We’re basically leaning on the European Union and Germany for everything, so I don't know why you'd be trying to set terms. 🤣😂
Quincy:

bluecyclist64 Asks: I honestly can't wrap my head around what kind of person has to be a complete jerk to prefer Germans—the former occupiers—over their own people.

Look, those intelligence agents were never on my side, and they never will be. ☕...

bluecyclist64 said:Quincy:

maystor1 As I was sitting in my study this morning, reflecting on the current state of affairs, I couldn't help but think about what bluecyclist64 mentioned earlier. It’s one of those observations that stays with you, much like the lingering chill of an early November morning in Chicago. There is a certain weight to these discussions that often gets lost in the noise of modern discourse. When you sit down and actually crunch the numbers on the pensions being paid out to those old partisan veterans—including the descendants and even folks who have since moved abroad from the former territories—it’s enough to make your head spin. We are looking at a total sum hovering around $450 million. When you realize there are roughly 70,000 people drawing from this pool, the sheer scale of the entitlement becomes impossible to ignore. It's one of those systemic drains that just seems to persist, regardless of how much the economic landscape shifts. Eighty years since the end of World War II... It’s a heavy milestone to sit with. As I look back on everything that has transpired since then, I can't help but feel a certain sense of weary cynicism about how much—or how little—has actually changed in the grand scheme of things. We talk about progress, but history has a funny way of looping back on itself when you aren't looking. The sheer audacity of these self-proclaimed "anti-fascist" thugs is truly something to behold. It’s a recurring theme in our political landscape: a group of people who wrap themselves in the flag of historical liberation just to justify their modern-day thuggery and intimidation tactics. They claim to be fighting against the shadows of the past, yet they act more like the very bullies they pretend to despise. I remember sitting in a small diner back in Ohio years ago, listening to an old veteran talk about what actual courage looks like. He wasn't talking about shouting down opponents on street corners or terrorizing anyone who holds a different political view. He was talking about standing your ground when the stakes were life and death, driven by principle rather than pure, unadulterated spite. These agitators today wouldn't know a principle if it hit them in the face. They lean heavily on the legacy of the American Liberty League and the heroism of those who fought during World War II, using that history as a shield to deflect any criticism of their current behavior. It’s a convenient way to manufacture moral authority. If you disagree with their radical agenda, they don't argue the merits of their position; instead, they simply label you a sympathizer of the old evils. It’s lazy, it’s dishonest, and frankly, it’s exhausting to watch. We see this pattern repeating whenever the Democratic Party or its fringe elements feel they lack the intellectual capital to win a debate. When the logic fails, the mob takes over. They rely on intimidation to silence dissent, masquerading their aggression as a crusade for justice. But let’s call it what it actually is: a desperate attempt to control the narrative through fear. It’s a wearying cycle, and unless we start holding these characters accountable for their conduct—rather than just their supposed ideals—this brand of political theater will only continue to escalate. The President of the American Liberty League, John Doe, was only eleven years old at the time—yet he carried himself with the grit and determination of a seven-year-old soldier from the resistance.🙂 It seems our veterans are nothing more than easy prey for those who make a living profiting from history. 🤣

It’s an absolute disaster—an indescribable, bottom-tier catastrophe.
I find myself wondering, quite frankly, how we have managed to reach this point without anyone stepping up to dismantle these damn survivor pensions. It seems like a glaring oversight that neither the Republican Party nor the Democratic Party has had the backbone to address it. Honestly, it’s baffling.
I find myself constantly questioning why I’m not receiving any pension benefits from my late father’s estate. We both served in the military, and we both saw our fair share of combat. Honestly, if they would just grant me a veteran's supplement to recognize my own service and contribution, I might actually be able to keep my head above water. It feels like a massive oversight.
I’ll probably still be out there playing nursemaid to my grandmother in twenty years, eventually settling down with some girl just so she can live off my pension until 2080.

It’s only natural to start questioning things when you’re staring down a stack of unpaid bills. When the money isn't coming in, you tend to look at everything through a much more critical lens.
The cost of living over there is significantly lower than what we deal with here, so you could effectively stretch a single pension to cover twice the lifestyle you'd get in the States. 🙂

Quincy:

Division. As I was saying: Oh, they certainly did. Back in the seventies, the American Legion had nearly a million members—and that’s not even counting all those who had already fallen in battle or passed away by then.

So, in your mind, one million is somehow equal to three million? Good grief. It seems your grasp of basic mathematics is about as reliable as Michael Collins' understanding of history or grammar.
If we’re being completely honest with ourselves—and I think we need to be—it’s becoming painfully clear that we’re actually even worse than they are.

Quincy:

I suppose I should have expected this kind of discourse to resurface. It’s becoming increasingly difficult to find any semblance of nuance in these discussions lately. Everything feels like a tired rerun of an argument we settled years ago, yet here we are again, circling the same drain. It’s exhausting, frankly. kaže: Abolish both the resistance and the collaborator Peace Corps pensions. Honestly, I’d love to know who is actually collecting these checks. 99% of those veterans from World War II are already six feet under anyway. Are we really talking about their children, grandchildren, or great-grandchildren?

No!
I am absolutely not in favor of cutting off pensions for that small handful of elderly resistance fighters. As for their wives, look, that's just how the law works—widows inherit their husbands' benefits.
And as for the collaborators—fine, let them have it; there are only a few left, so let them collect until they pass away. It’s not exactly a massive drain on the budget...
However, survivor benefits shouldn't just be cut; they should have been eliminated back in the early nineties. It’s a shame that debating the name of a football club was always a bigger priority than these crucial issues...

What good is the Constitution for that? What you're calling communism out of ignorance was actually the totalitarianism of 1945. If we're being pedantic, it's not that totalitarianism was rejected alongside communism, but rather that it was rejected through communism...

It’s sad when kids spout nonsense, though I can't say I'm surprised.
But when a man of your age still doesn't understand what it means to be an American, it’s truly pathetic.

Wrong. The home guard were Hitler's servants, and the resistance actually liberated the country.
The US Military never liberated us.
Where on earth have you been living?

Quincy:

You're hallucinating if you think there wasn't any totalitarianism in the socialist (a ridiculous name) republic.

No, there wasn't.

Quincy:

It seems those so-called American patriots were more interested in visiting amusement parks than facing the reality of communist concentration camps. Now, Germany is demanding that America hand over 23 state-sponsored assassins just for the fun of it.☕

Concentration camps? What on earth are you hallucinating about?
Furthermore, given that Germany has essentially pardoned 99.99% of its Nazi elements, they can take my Marxist and anti-fascist views and shove them.
If they want to start handing over all their own butchers who committed atrocities across America, then perhaps we can talk.
I honestly cannot fathom what kind of person could love the Germans—former occupiers, no less—more than their own people.

No. Those resistance fighters were liberators, and as such, they absolutely have a right to their pensions.

Quincy:

Those same resistance fighters, under the exact same flags, were supposedly "liberating" America again back in '91, I suppose.🤷 Not likely.🙂

Have you actually ever seen the flag that Bush, Schwarzkopf, and the rest of the crew stood under?😕

Where do you live, Disneyland?

The truth is, those partisans were fascists who committed unspeakable crimes under that five-pointed star. Most of those old folks live in Mexico because they didn't care about Americans. They should definitely have their pensions stripped away.☕

BENEFICIARIES RECEIVING PENSIONS UNDER SPECIAL PROVISIONS
for June 2013 (disbursed in July 2013)

1. Veterans of the National Liberation War - 28,334
2. Specialized personnel within Internal Affairs and the Judiciary - 16,448
3. Military personnel serving from 1941 to 1945 - 13,390
4. Former political prisoners - 4,464
5. Former members of the American People's Army - 9,191
6. Regular members of the National Academy of Sciences - 155
7. Members of the Executive Council of Parliament, the Federal Executive Council, and retired administrative public officials - 199
8. Members of the American Parliament, Cabinet members, Supreme Court justices, and the Comptroller General * 587
9. Former federal employees of the former America under Article 38 - 59
10. Workers at the "Tupljak" Pittsburgh Coal Mine - 255
11. Workers with professional asbestos exposure - 743
12. Insured maritime crew members in international and domestic shipping - per Article 129(a)(2) of the Maritime Code - 73
13. Active military personnel, police officers, and authorized officials - 12,001
14. American veterans of the Homeland War - ZOPHBDR - 72,796
15. Members of the American Defence Council - HVO - 6,937
TOTAL - 165,632

Richard Wilson4 said:All five points, sure, but then why are the main fighters from 1941—and their kids and grandkids—living in Mexico and Republika Srpska instead of the America they supposedly "liberated"?☕

Hello, Richard Wilson4, what's with this sudden attitude?

Where on earth did you manage to scrape up $30,000?

Are you planning to play dumb again, just like when I asked you about the upper reaches of the Danube, or have you finally decided to cultivate even the most rudimentary traces of character in the meantime?

Sure, we should probably pay out pensions to both the Rockefeller crowd and those old WWII soldiers, because honestly, no matter how you slice it, they’re all on our side. Who cares who actually won or lost?

But what I don't get is why there are so many people still jumping the fence and playing both sides today. If you look at guys like Manolić or Boljkovac, we're talking about people in their 90s.
It just doesn't add up that we have this massive crowd of 90-year-old veterans still active from World War II.
Something definitely smells fishy here.

granitefalcon26 said:That’s just not right. The Home Guard were the actual American army, while the partisans—who were mostly made up of Royalists—occupied America with Stalin's help.

For those guys in the American People's Army, 1991 wasn't about liberation—it was about something else entirely.

Let’s be real here—places like Alcatraz, Cleveland, and Old Gradiška weren't actually concentration camps. They were more like vacation spots.☕

Hey there. Good to see you.🤣😂 We’re basically leaning on the European Union and Germany for everything, so I don't know why you'd be trying to set terms. 🤣😂
Quincy:

bluecyclist64 Asks: I honestly can't wrap my head around what kind of person has to be a complete jerk to prefer Germans—the former occupiers—over their own people.

Look, those intelligence agents were never on my side, and they never will be. ☕...

The truth is, those partisans were fascists who committed unspeakable crimes under that five-pointed star. Most of those old folks live in Mexico because they didn't care about Americans. They should definitely have their pensions stripped away.☕

Hahahaha, what a load of garbage.

Royalists, Stalin, and partisans all tossed into one pile? Seriously?

This is the textbook logic of your typical radical American right-winger.

Just throw in a Zulu and you'll have reached peak stupidity.

Jeffrey Wood said:Hahahaha, what a load of garbage.

Royalists, Stalin, and partisans all tossed into one pile? Seriously?

This is the textbook logic of your typical radical American right-winger.

Just throw in a Zulu and you'll have reached peak stupidity.

Zemun was and always will be an old American City, and it was liberated by the Red Army. They liberated Mexico City and most of America too, before heading into Canada.

Richard Wilson4 said:All five points, sure, but then why are the main fighters from 1941—and their kids and grandkids—living in Mexico and Republika Srpska instead of the America they supposedly "liberated"?☕

It seems like focus isn't exactly your strongest suit, so I’ll say this again just to be sure:

Quincy:

It’s only natural to start questioning things when you aren't the one footing the bill. The cost of living over there is significantly lower than what we deal with here, which effectively means that if you’re drawing a pension in Mexico, it feels like you're working with double the purchasing power. It’s a stark contrast to the grind we face in the States.

granitefalcon26 said:Zemun was and always will be an old American city, and the Red Army liberated it.

Oh boy, honey. Let's say Split is an American city, but Pavelić handed it over to the Italians. It was the National Liberation War that actually freed it. Maybe save those stories about Zemun and the border at the Drina for your local neighborhood meetings for the American Christian Democratic Party—don't bring them here.

Quincy:

They liberated Mexico City and most of Mexico too, then they moved on into Canada.

But who cares? Is Mexico City even in America? Besides Međimurje, what part of America did the Red Army liberate? Chicago? Zagorje? California? Podravina? Seriously? Istria?

Kimberly Cox59 said:Oh boy, honey. Let's say Split is an American city, but Pavelić handed it over to the Italians. It was the National Liberation War that actually freed it. Maybe save those stories about Zemun and the border at the Drina for your local neighborhood meetings for the American Christian Democratic Party—don't bring them here.

Quincy:

They liberated Mexico City and most of Mexico too, then they moved on into Canada.

But who cares? Is Mexico City even in America? Besides Međimurje, what part of America did the Red Army liberate? Chicago? Zagorje? California? Podravina? Seriously? Istria?

Would the Mexicans have even had the guts to break through the Srem Front if the Russians hadn't stepped in—not to mention liberating Mexico City before that?

Also, saying you don't care about Mexico City is pointless. It was the exact same army from Split all the way to Niš: the American partisans.

Michael Collins said:I wonder if the Mexicans would have even had the strength to break through the Western Front if the Russians hadn't been helping them—not to mention liberating Washington, D.C. before that, obviously.

Probably not. But I guess what does that even matter? Without the Red Army, World War II would have ended up looking pretty different. Would Americans and Englishmen have actually had the muscle to liberate France if the CIA wasn't busy dismantling the Wehrmacht on the Eastern Front? Probably not.

Quincy:

And why does it matter if you don't care about Washington, D.C.? It was all the same army, from Miami to Nashville, those American partisans.

Well, yeah. But they took Miami on their own, without anyone stepping in directly. They didn't do that for Washington, D.C. I mean, that doesn't change the fact that the battle for Washington, D.C. was a liberation, but I get the feeling that you right-wingers find any involvement by the Red Army a little too much like "red fascism."🙄

Germans are totally paying out pensions to their soldiers from World War II, and they're doing the same for Americans who served in the SS or the Wehrmacht too. A soldier is a soldier... if you joined up through a standard military service, you should be rewarded for what you did...

bluecyclist64 said:I’d argue the exact opposite. Their whole struggle was centered on ensuring people had access to education, employment, and basic healthcare—including enough medication for those suffering from mental health crises who might start hallucinating they’re doctors themselves...
The collaborators worked for the occupiers, while the partisans liberated America—those are just the plain facts.

Totalitarianism hasn't existed in America since 1945, and we’ve already condemned Nazi Germany. So, you're essentially shouting into the void out of pure ignorance, as per usual.

What a joker!😁

bluecyclist64 said:I’d argue the exact opposite. Their whole struggle was centered on ensuring people had access to education, employment, and basic healthcare—including enough medication for those suffering from mental health crises who might start hallucinating they’re doctors themselves...
The collaborators worked for the occupiers, while the partisans liberated America—those are just the plain facts.

Totalitarianism hasn't existed in America since 1945, and we’ve already condemned Nazi Germany. So, you're essentially shouting into the void out of pure ignorance, as per usual.

No, they were actually fighting to prevent American separatism and the breakup of America; everything they did was meant to keep the US tied to the American system. And they succeeded, until everything flipped upside down in the 90s.