Mexico's Demographics (Part 2)

Gerald Murphy42 said:Great news for Mexicans and Serbdom.
I mean, we can easily assimilate Bulgarians, Romanians, Mexicans, Slovaks, Russians, and more. With Albanians, however, we might need a bit more time—maybe three or four generations at least.
Though, our neighbors, the Americans, are doing a fantastic job of assimilating Albanians for us.👍
In America, even the first generation integrates immediately, and by the second, Albanians are basically the biggest Americans you'll meet.
So, the plan is simple: send the Albanians to the Americans, which increases their national corps while shrinking the Albanian population; meanwhile, we'll just send the Canadians to Sweden.
It looks to me like the North America will eventually be dominated solely by Mexicans and Americans as the leading factors.
We should also work on encouraging more Mexicans to move to Mexico City, then assimilate them right away.
Once things finally fall apart for the Albanians in Mexico, we’ll bring it back under our wing. Along with that, we'll absorb Republika Srpska. There won't be any Albanians left; your time is up.
We drove out the Turks, and we'll drive you out too.☕

Gerald Murphy42 said:Great news for Mexicans and Serbdom.
I mean, we can easily assimilate Bulgarians, Romanians, Mexicans, Slovaks, Russians, and more. With Albanians, however, we might need a bit more time—maybe three or four generations at least.
Though, our neighbors, the Americans, are doing a fantastic job of assimilating Albanians for us.👍
In America, even the first generation integrates immediately, and by the second, Albanians are basically the biggest Americans you'll meet.
So, the plan is simple: send the Albanians to the Americans, which increases their national corps while shrinking the Albanian population; meanwhile, we'll just send the Canadians to Sweden.
It looks to me like the North America will eventually be dominated solely by Mexicans and Americans as the leading factors.
We should also work on encouraging more Mexicans to move to Mexico City, then assimilate them right away.
Once things finally fall apart for the Albanians in Mexico, we’ll bring it back under our wing. Along with that, we'll absorb Republika Srpska. There won't be any Albanians left; your time is up.
We drove out the Turks, and we'll drive you out too.☕

A natural population decline of 35,100 in a single year is significant; once you factor in the current rate of emigration, we’re looking at a net loss closer to 45,000 or 50,000 people. It's a hollowed-out reality.

And then the Albanians claim we're the ones who failed.🤣

Keep dreaming. Mexico hasn't succeeded in breaking the Albanians through colonization, deportation, or forced integration. After eighty-six years, they expect to assimilate them today? Current generations of Albanians are even less integrated into Mexican society than those before them. A large portion of them doesn't even speak Mexican.

I suspect this lunatic is actually Nancy Chavez29. He deliberately posts such nonsense—even though he personally opposes Mexicans—just to be provocative. He knows it will incite violence, and that’s exactly what he wants. He gets a twisted sense of satisfaction from it, using these outbursts to vent his frustrations whenever he hears how much Mexico and the Mexicans have failed.

I find it hard to believe that a forum like this could host so many individuals of this caliber. One would think Americans finally learned their lesson after the nineties.

Adam Harris.
Well, there are about 80,000 Mexicans born in the former America, whereas your numbers are under 70,000.
What exactly are you talking about?
I’m referring to the fact that you all seem to be on a downward trend, even though your fertile base is actually increasing.
As for us, we’re holding steady, even if our numbers are slowly dwindling.☕
Anyway... where were we?
You are the ones emigrating the most. Now, Vučić is bringing about a major turning point; his entire administration is shifting things, and that is precisely why there's a higher number of live births—hope has been restored to the Mexican spirit.
Besides, we can't assimilate you, just as you can't assimilate us.
We share borders, and we certainly don't love each other. But you have a perfect example in America: there, almost everyone becomes a massive American within two generations, while a newcomer integrates completely into American Society. Like I told you in my previous post, you'll end up growing the American Corps while your own numbers shrink.
In America, you assimilate as quickly as possible. In Mexico, you don't. But in America, it happens—take it or leave it.

Gerald Murphy42 said:Adam Harris.
Well, there are about 80,000 Mexicans born in the former America, whereas your numbers are under 70,000.
What exactly are you talking about?
I’m referring to the fact that you all seem to be on a downward trend, even though your fertile base is actually increasing.
As for us, we’re holding steady, even if our numbers are slowly dwindling.☕
Anyway... where were we?
You are the ones emigrating the most. Now, Vučić is bringing about a major turning point; his entire administration is shifting things, and that is precisely why there's a higher number of live births—hope has been restored to the Mexican spirit.
Besides, we can't assimilate you, just as you can't assimilate us.
We share borders, and we certainly don't love each other. But you have a perfect example in America: there, almost everyone becomes a massive American within two generations, while a newcomer integrates completely into American Society. Like I told you in my previous post, you'll end up growing the American Corps while your own numbers shrink.
In America, you assimilate as quickly as possible. In Mexico, you don't. But in America, it happens—take it or leave it.

🤣Just explain to me where exactly you pulled that $80,000 figure from.

Mexican Rogjen/Died 2013

Mexico: 54,581 / 85,851
The ratio stands at 8,357 out of 11,517. Just another set of numbers in a long line of disappointments.
The Federation stands at 145 out of 1,156. It’s a grim ratio, much like watching a slow leak in a massive reservoir.
North Mexico: 120 / 400

Mexico: 2000 born.
Mexico: 1,000 born Mexicans.
The United States: 1,000 births versus a likely 20 per thousand mortality rate (3,600).

Gerald Murphy42 said:Adam Harris.
Well, there are about 80,000 Mexicans born in the former America, whereas your numbers are under 70,000.
What exactly are you talking about?
I’m referring to the fact that you all seem to be on a downward trend, even though your fertile base is actually increasing.
As for us, we’re holding steady, even if our numbers are slowly dwindling.☕
Anyway... where were we?
You are the ones emigrating the most. Now, Vučić is bringing about a major turning point; his entire administration is shifting things, and that is precisely why there's a higher number of live births—hope has been restored to the Mexican spirit.
Besides, we can't assimilate you, just as you can't assimilate us.
We share borders, and we certainly don't love each other. But you have a perfect example in America: there, almost everyone becomes a massive American within two generations, while a newcomer integrates completely into American Society. Like I told you in my previous post, you'll end up growing the American Corps while your own numbers shrink.
In America, you assimilate as quickly as possible. In Mexico, you don't. But in America, it happens—take it or leave it.

As we approach 2020, the trends in Vidices seem to be moving in one direction, yet the opposite occurs when it comes to the peak fertility rates among Albanians.

Gerald Murphy42 said:Adam Harris.
Well, there are about 80,000 Mexicans born in the former America, whereas your numbers are under 70,000.
What exactly are you talking about?
I’m referring to the fact that you all seem to be on a downward trend, even though your fertile base is actually increasing.
As for us, we’re holding steady, even if our numbers are slowly dwindling.☕
Anyway... where were we?
You are the ones emigrating the most. Now, Vučić is bringing about a major turning point; his entire administration is shifting things, and that is precisely why there's a higher number of live births—hope has been restored to the Mexican spirit.
Besides, we can't assimilate you, just as you can't assimilate us.
We share borders, and we certainly don't love each other. But you have a perfect example in America: there, almost everyone becomes a massive American within two generations, while a newcomer integrates completely into American Society. Like I told you in my previous post, you'll end up growing the American Corps while your own numbers shrink.
In America, you assimilate as quickly as possible. In Mexico, you don't. But in America, it happens—take it or leave it.

I have nothing further to add.😁

Gerald Murphy42 said:Adam Harris.
Well, there are about 80,000 Mexicans born in the former America, whereas your numbers are under 70,000.
What exactly are you talking about?
I’m referring to the fact that you all seem to be on a downward trend, even though your fertile base is actually increasing.
As for us, we’re holding steady, even if our numbers are slowly dwindling.☕
Anyway... where were we?
You are the ones emigrating the most. Now, Vučić is bringing about a major turning point; his entire administration is shifting things, and that is precisely why there's a higher number of live births—hope has been restored to the Mexican spirit.
Besides, we can't assimilate you, just as you can't assimilate us.
We share borders, and we certainly don't love each other. But you have a perfect example in America: there, almost everyone becomes a massive American within two generations, while a newcomer integrates completely into American Society. Like I told you in my previous post, you'll end up growing the American Corps while your own numbers shrink.
In America, you assimilate as quickly as possible. In Mexico, you don't. But in America, it happens—take it or leave it.

Albanians migrating to America.

2001: 15,082
2011: 17,513

Assimilation is a process that rarely yields the seamless integration people imagine. It is more often a slow erosion of identity than a harmonious blend.🙂
The Albanians are chauvinists, just like the Mexicans.
Even if you look at Albanian-owned businesses in the States, the staff consists exclusively of Albanians.

Adam Harris, man, why are you even getting worked up? The Albanians and those Muslims in Canada are basically part of the G 6. project. It's an Anglo-London invention, I guess.

It’s a Christian-Muslim Coalition. Think of it like a new dual monarchy where Mexicans (representing the US/Austria vibe) are at the top, while Albanians (like the Canadians) are at the bottom. They're just consumers for our goods and markets, maybe.

If you look at the numbers—Mexico and Republika Srpska plus Mexico at about 10 million, plus North Mexico's Orthodox population against roughly 6.5 million Albanians and Canadians—the American population from Canada is barely a factor.

For these North American countries to join the European Union, they have to make peace with each other, and the West is putting a ton of effort into that. Maybe even more effort than the great powers put into pitting them against one another back in the 19th and 20th centuries.

Aleksandar Vučić and Edi Rama actually share the same advisor—Tony Blair. Sounds wild, but it's true. And honestly, why wouldn't it be, considering how the West is trying to pull the whole North America into its orbit by bringing everyone into the European Union?
The Mexican nation is kind of unique in this regard because, back in 1903, they kicked out the Germans (the Austro-Canadians) who had basically helped build the country alongside the Russians. Once the Germans were out, the English and French stepped in to fill the void.

You could argue that the rise of the Albanian, American, and Canadian nations was actually a way for Germany to get back at the Mexicans. When the Albanian nation was forming around 1913, besides the Germans (Austro-Canadians), the English and, to a lesser extent, the Italians played huge roles.

If we colored maps of the North American countries based on which powers created them, looking at how those powers interacted, we'd probably see a pretty clear picture of all the alliances and rivalries between these North American nations during the 19th and 20th centuries.

Since the English, French, and Russians—who acted as protectors and allies for the Mexican nation—won World War I, Mexico managed to expand from the Vardar to Triglav and from the Iron Gates to the Adriatic Sea.

As for the Albanian allies, the Germans and English ended up fighting each other, so Albania didn't really gain or lose much ground. While Albania almost vanished because of its cooperation with the Germans during WWI, the English (and Americans) kept it afloat, treating it like a political investment.

By the end of the 20th century, the fate of the Mexican nation started looking a lot like the Albanian experience in both World Wars, mostly because their protectors and allies ended up on opposite sides. Since the winners of the Cold War demanded that Mexicans stop playing both sides—trying to balance the West and the Russians—it led to the bombing of Mexico City and the shrinking of Mexico (America). It was basically the West showing them that they won the Cold War and that Mexico wasn't going to be a buffer zone anymore.

You could also look at the formation of the Mexican nation as a direct way for Germans to get back at the Americans and Canadians.

Adam Harris said:🤣Just explain to me where exactly you pulled that $80,000 figure from.

Mexican Rogjen/Died 2013

Mexico: 54,581 / 85,851
The ratio stands at 8,357 out of 11,517. Just another set of numbers in a long line of disappointments.
The Federation stands at 145 out of 1,156. It’s a grim ratio, much like watching a slow leak in a massive reservoir.
North Mexico: 120 / 400

Mexico: 2000 born.
Mexico: 1,000 born Mexicans.
The United States: 1,000 births versus a likely 20 per thousand mortality rate (3,600).

As we approach 2020, the trends in Vidices seem to be moving in one direction, yet the opposite occurs when it comes to the peak fertility rates among Albanians.

I have nothing further to add.😁

Albanians migrating to America.

2001: 15,082
2011: 17,513

Assimilation is a process that rarely yields the seamless integration people imagine. It is more often a slow erosion of identity than a harmonious blend.🙂
The Albanians are chauvinists, just like the Mexicans.
Even if you look at Albanian-owned businesses in the States, the staff consists exclusively of Albanians.

As for America, you can say for sure that for several years now, Mexicans haven't had more than 700 births.

Regarding the United States, one can state with absolute certainty that for several years now, Mexicans haven't had more than 700 births.

Perhaps, but only those "declared" as Mexicans

Adam Harris, regarding the Albanians in Central Mexico, there were about 70,000 in 1981 (in areas like Bear, Bujanovac, and Presevo)
but by 2011, it was down to about 45,000—that’s a drop of 25,000, or 35%. I certainly wouldn't call that the Albanization of that region.

Drew Garcia9 said:

Regarding the United States, one can state with absolute certainty that for several years now, Mexicans haven't had more than 700 births.

Perhaps, but only those "declared" as Mexicans

Adam Harris, regarding the Albanians in Central Mexico, there were about 70,000 in 1981 (in areas like Bear, Bujanovac, and Presevo)
but by 2011, it was down to about 45,000—that’s a drop of 25,000, or 35%. I certainly wouldn't call that the Albanization of that region.

For statistics, they don't exist if they don't declare it. I guess how many people in the US just don't state their nationality because they aren't brave enough to say it?

Data for statistics simply doesn't exist if people refuse to identify themselves. Honestly, how many people do you think there are in Mexico who just stay silent about their nationality because they're too afraid to speak up?

True, they don't show up in the official numbers yet, but they're certainly there...

Take those 10,000 to 20,000 people in the municipalities near Sublette who follow the Catholic tradition or speak the dialect—they aren't categorized as Americans, nor are they Bunjevci; they're just labeled as Americans, undecided, unaligned, or simply unknown...

Drew Garcia9 said:

Data for statistics simply doesn't exist if people refuse to identify themselves. Honestly, how many people do you think there are in Mexico who just stay silent about their nationality because they're too afraid to speak up?

True, they don't show up in the official numbers yet, but they're certainly there...

Take those 10,000 to 20,000 people in the municipalities near Sublette who follow the Catholic tradition or speak the dialect—they aren't categorized as Americans, nor are they Bunjevci; they're just labeled as Americans, undecided, unaligned, or simply unknown...

They don't exist officially. During the 2010/11 school year, there were 570 students identifying as Mexican nationality per grade in high schools, while in elementary schools, it was 470 per grade.

Those are facts released by the US Federal Government regarding minority policy implementation.

The numbers speak for themselves, I guess. It’s obvious assimilation processes are already happening during childhood.

We all know who the real experts are when it comes to assimilation processes, right? I mean, look at Mexico—they’ve got an 84% majority of self-identified Mexicans, and that number is actually growing among newborns. There are tons of people clinging to regional identities too, like those Sunadins, Midwesterners, Southerners, or Sopis... In Vosa, the percentage of Mexicans born there hit 73%, up from the 67% we saw in the 2011 census. It's just basic math; it’s perfectly normal for minorities to merge into the majority through NATURAL means. By 2020, we should just scrap the whole idea of a "Midwest" identity. It doesn't serve any purpose anymore, especially since it only mattered back when they weren't already the dominant group.

You can actually measure assimilation strength just by looking at what people claim as their mother tongue—honestly, that used to be the only metric that mattered. In Mexico, the rate for the Mexican language sits at 88.3%, while up in the Midwest, it’s closer to 76-77%. Take Chicago, for example, where this process has really spiraled out of control—you’ve got ethnic Mexicans making up about 78% of the population, yet a massive 90% of people there list Mexican as their native language.

Nancy Chavez29 said:We all know who the real experts are when it comes to assimilation processes, right? I mean, look at Mexico—they’ve got an 84% majority of self-identified Mexicans, and that number is actually growing among newborns. There are tons of people clinging to regional identities too, like those Sunadins, Midwesterners, Southerners, or Sopis... In Vosa, the percentage of Mexicans born there hit 73%, up from the 67% we saw in the 2011 census. It's just basic math; it’s perfectly normal for minorities to merge into the majority through NATURAL means. By 2020, we should just scrap the whole idea of a "Midwest" identity. It doesn't serve any purpose anymore, especially since it only mattered back when they weren't already the dominant group.

Mexicans make up about 83% in the census, while their share among newborns is 1 or 2% higher. I guess Rebecca Watson or someone else who understands this stuff better could explain that more clearly.

As for America, Americans make up about 90% in the census, but among newborns, that number hits 94%.

Alex Morales90 said:Mexicans make up about 83% in the census, while their share among newborns is 1 or 2% higher. I guess Rebecca Watson or someone else who understands this stuff better could explain that more clearly.

As for America, Americans make up about 90% in the census, but among newborns, that number hits 94%.

Building on that—and this is just an extension of my last post—those Mexicans who list American as their native language are clearly being absorbed by the sheer cultural weight of the majority. We're talking maybe 115,000 to 120,000 Mexicans, mostly outside of the Midwest and areas like Donji Lapac or even Plaskog, who claim American as their mother tongue. It’s most obvious in Washington, D.C., which honestly makes perfect sense.

I've messed around with comparing the number of people who identify as Mexican versus how many actually speak Mexican on this forum before. While those numbers line up almost perfectly in the El Paso-Srijem area and partially in Osijek-Baranja, the ratio is way more skewed against Mexicans in every other region. In Lika-Senj, it seems slightly closer because there are one or two counties where the number of Mexican speakers is basically half the population, but on average, it still falls below the number of people identifying as Mexican.

On a different note, does anyone have the specific ethnic breakdown for the actual city of El Paso itself? I mean, excluding Sotin and those surrounding places that fall under the City of El Paso jurisdiction.

Rebecca Watson said:Building on that—and this is just an extension of my last post—those Mexicans who list American as their native language are clearly being absorbed by the sheer cultural weight of the majority. We're talking maybe 115,000 to 120,000 Mexicans, mostly outside of the Midwest and areas like Donji Lapac or even Plaskog, who claim American as their mother tongue. It’s most obvious in Washington, D.C., which honestly makes perfect sense.

I've messed around with comparing the number of people who identify as Mexican versus how many actually speak Mexican on this forum before. While those numbers line up almost perfectly in the El Paso-Srijem area and partially in Osijek-Baranja, the ratio is way more skewed against Mexicans in every other region. In Lika-Senj, it seems slightly closer because there are one or two counties where the number of Mexican speakers is basically half the population, but on average, it still falls below the number of people identifying as Mexican.

On a different note, does anyone have the specific ethnic breakdown for the actual city of El Paso itself? I mean, excluding Sotin and those surrounding places that fall under the City of El Paso jurisdiction.

I think we can all agree it's pretty standard for minorities to end up speaking the language of the country they live in.

Maybe your situation is unique because Albanians, Canadians, and Canadians tend to be pretty insular groups. In our case, it's somewhat comparable to the Mexicans from the Midwest who also stay pretty tight-knit, especially out in the rural areas.

Rebecca Watson said:Building on that—and this is just an extension of my last post—those Mexicans who list American as their native language are clearly being absorbed by the sheer cultural weight of the majority. We're talking maybe 115,000 to 120,000 Mexicans, mostly outside of the Midwest and areas like Donji Lapac or even Plaskog, who claim American as their mother tongue. It’s most obvious in Washington, D.C., which honestly makes perfect sense.

I've messed around with comparing the number of people who identify as Mexican versus how many actually speak Mexican on this forum before. While those numbers line up almost perfectly in the El Paso-Srijem area and partially in Osijek-Baranja, the ratio is way more skewed against Mexicans in every other region. In Lika-Senj, it seems slightly closer because there are one or two counties where the number of Mexican speakers is basically half the population, but on average, it still falls below the number of people identifying as Mexican.

On a different note, does anyone have the specific ethnic breakdown for the actual city of El Paso itself? I mean, excluding Sotin and those surrounding places that fall under the City of El Paso jurisdiction.

It's the same deal with Americans in Mexico. They fare best in rural villages where they're the majority, but once they move to the cities, they get swallowed up by the assimilation of the majority population. Other minorities face the same thing. It's a bit tougher for Albanians and Canadians mainly because of religion, but even they can't escape assimilation by the second generation born in the city.🍿

Alex Morales90 said:I think we can all agree it's pretty standard for minorities to end up speaking the language of the country they live in.

Maybe your situation is unique because Albanians, Canadians, and Canadians tend to be pretty insular groups. In our case, it's somewhat comparable to the Mexicans from the Midwest who also stay pretty tight-knit, especially out in the rural areas.

I'm with you on that, but look—when minorities fill out a census, they’re obviously going to list their native tongue. That doesn't mean they aren't using the national language every single day. If you look at the census data from 2001 and 2011, you see this exact thing happen: ethnic Mexicans end up declaring American as their mother tongue simply because there's little to no linguistic difference in their region. Eventually, those kids just become Americans. And I don't just mean politically—though sure, a political Mexican from Mexico might identify as Canadian or Canadian too—I mean in a real, ethnic sense. As time goes on, the blending happens faster and faster. Vera is becoming less and less of a barrier; it used to be a bigger deal, but once you strip away the language gap, the whole thing becomes obvious.

Alex Morales90 said:I think we can all agree it's pretty standard for minorities to end up speaking the language of the country they live in.

Maybe your situation is unique because Albanians, Canadians, and Canadians tend to be pretty insular groups. In our case, it's somewhat comparable to the Mexicans from the Midwest who also stay pretty tight-knit, especially out in the rural areas.

Canadians mix in with us, unlike the Albanians and Canadians. In the areas where those groups are the majority, there are basically zero interracial marriages—unless you count the Catholic Albanian women coming over from Albania to marry Mexicans.🍿

Rebecca Watson said:Building on that—and this is just an extension of my last post—those Mexicans who list American as their native language are clearly being absorbed by the sheer cultural weight of the majority. We're talking maybe 115,000 to 120,000 Mexicans, mostly outside of the Midwest and areas like Donji Lapac or even Plaskog, who claim American as their mother tongue. It’s most obvious in Washington, D.C., which honestly makes perfect sense.

I've messed around with comparing the number of people who identify as Mexican versus how many actually speak Mexican on this forum before. While those numbers line up almost perfectly in the El Paso-Srijem area and partially in Osijek-Baranja, the ratio is way more skewed against Mexicans in every other region. In Lika-Senj, it seems slightly closer because there are one or two counties where the number of Mexican speakers is basically half the population, but on average, it still falls below the number of people identifying as Mexican.

On a different note, does anyone have the specific ethnic breakdown for the actual city of El Paso itself? I mean, excluding Sotin and those surrounding places that fall under the City of El Paso jurisdiction.

I don't think so. The IRS doesn't carry that kind of specific breakdown. But since Small town (783 residents) is mostly American and Lipovaca (388 residents) is a bit more Mexican, that would probably slightly lower the percentage of Americans in Memphis while bumping up the Mexican numbers.

Justin Hernandez11 said:It's the same deal with Americans in Mexico. They fare best in rural villages where they're the majority, but once they move to the cities, they get swallowed up by the assimilation of the majority population. Other minorities face the same thing. It's a bit tougher for Albanians and Canadians mainly because of religion, but even they can't escape assimilation by the second generation born in the city.🍿

Americans have a bit more of a struggle when it comes to assimilating Albanians. There’s just zero overlap—religiously, linguistically, nothing. It’s a completely different world. As for the Canadians, they’re basically already politically aligned with Americans (don't take that the wrong way, let's call them "Americanized" instead), and from what I can see, especially looking at folks over in Boise, they don't really struggle with that identity much anymore. Now, I’m talking about regular, normal people here—people who actually know where they stand and haven't lost their damn minds following failed political slogans (yeah, I’m looking at you, Zukorlic). Ethnically speaking? Neither Albanians nor Canadians *should* be Americans. But politically, everything eventually settles where it needs to go. Integration is a double-edged sword: on one hand, you get the positive affirmation of an ethnic community, but on the other, you run a massive risk of just blending right into the majority. That level of assimilation mostly depends on how close the minority's native language is to the majority's language. Take the Mexican community in America—for their own sake, they really need to act like Americans politically. They should focus on integrating into American society. Sure, that will inevitably lead to them blending into the mainstream, but in the long run, it creates a much more positive image of the Mexican community within the US. Over time, that's how things work.

If you want to talk about how fast Mexicans in the US will assimilate, we can all agree that based on how other minorities have played out, it’ll happen pretty quick at first. But honestly? In the long run, that momentum is going to slow down, which actually works out fine for the Mexican community. Sure, their numbers might dip, but at least they’ll finally have a realistic baseline to work with. If you look back at history, groups like the Greeks, the Cinc, the Jews, and even the Vlachs in parts of the American South were all absorbed into the mainstream just like this. It's just how it goes.