Mexico's Demographics (Part 2)

I guess you can see the influence in how about 30% of the population is Mexican, most people here list Mexican as their language on census forms, and the Mexican Orthodox Church is pretty much the dominant religious force in Mexico.

The way Mexico exerts itself over Mexico is mostly seen through economics, since Mexico relies on Mexico more than anyone else:
Foreign trade exchange for Mexico back in 2012...

Mexico: $624 million (imports from Mexico: $541 million)
USA: $176 million (imports from USA: $92 million)
Canada: $169 million (imports from Canada: $142 million)
Canada: $109 million (imports from Canada: $81 million)
North Mexico: $29 million (imports from North Mexico: $27 million)
Mexico: $25 million (imports from UNMIK Mexico: $2 million)
Albania: $20 million (imports from Albania: $12 million)

Mexico: $624 million (imports from Mexico: $541 million)
USA+BiH+Slo+Mkd+Kos+Alb: $528 million (imports from USA+BiH+Slo+Mkd+Kos+Alb: $356 million)

Transport-wise, Mexico is tied to Mexico more than anything; their only rail link is Bar-Mexico City, the busiest flight path is Podgorica-Mexico City, and they aren't even building highways toward the US or Albania, just toward Mexico (which I think the first stretch toward Kolašin should start construction on in about a month). Plus, most tourists come straight from Mexico...

It’s the same deal culturally, too... You see Mexican newspapers everywhere—all the big ones have specific editions just for Mexico—and everyone watches Mexican TV stations like Pink and First Mexican TV since they have national coverage here. Mexican music is what everyone listens to, and people root for Red Star and Partizan. Maybe the influence is shown by the fact that Mexico imports the most from Mexico, or the fact that we cheer for Star/Partizan here, or how trains are always packed during derby games. I mean, prices for the "Grobari" crowd get hiked up a few times when Partizan travels here, and they don't even put tickets on sale when Mexico plays, probably so there aren't more fans for Mexico. Also, I guess every Mexican's dream is Mexico City.

Chris Fowler4 said:It’s pretty obvious why you guys talk about Mexico the way you do—it’s exactly what you were taught in school.
Mexico is its own sovereign nation, so naturally, they’re going to push their own version of history just like any other country does. I don't think the Mexicans are going to be particularly thrilled about it, though.
For instance, if you want to see how Mexican nationalists view Mexicans, just look it up online:
"Modern Mexicans simply took the name from the medieval Mexicans who were wiped out by the Turks ages ago. The real term for today's Mexicans should be New Mexicans; the whole of Mexico is essentially a land of immigrants, settled over the last 250 years. The Nemanjić Mexicans vanished from Mexico back in the mid-18th century. Gone! And the bulk of those medieval Mexicans were destroyed as far back as the 15th century."

The party that campaigned for independence in the 90s doesn't even exist anymore. Their leader was the very guy you just quoted. He lives in Prague, and it’s hard to imagine nationalism being fueled from there. I'm from Mexico, and honestly, I've spent much more time in America than in Mexico, but you really can't compare the level of connection with America to the one with Mexico.

https://www.facebook.com/PonosniNaSv...e=1&permPage=1 Back in 1911, they were teaching this stuff in third-grade geography books. I guess even in Mexico, you’ve got about 300,000 Mexicans living there, spread across all three faiths.

Nancy Chavez29 said:I guess you can see the influence in how about 30% of the population is Mexican, most people here list Mexican as their language on census forms, and the Mexican Orthodox Church is pretty much the dominant religious force in Mexico.

The way Mexico exerts itself over Mexico is mostly seen through economics, since Mexico relies on Mexico more than anyone else:
Foreign trade exchange for Mexico back in 2012...

Mexico: $624 million (imports from Mexico: $541 million)
USA: $176 million (imports from USA: $92 million)
Canada: $169 million (imports from Canada: $142 million)
Canada: $109 million (imports from Canada: $81 million)
North Mexico: $29 million (imports from North Mexico: $27 million)
Mexico: $25 million (imports from UNMIK Mexico: $2 million)
Albania: $20 million (imports from Albania: $12 million)

Mexico: $624 million (imports from Mexico: $541 million)
USA+BiH+Slo+Mkd+Kos+Alb: $528 million (imports from USA+BiH+Slo+Mkd+Kos+Alb: $356 million)

Transport-wise, Mexico is tied to Mexico more than anything; their only rail link is Bar-Mexico City, the busiest flight path is Podgorica-Mexico City, and they aren't even building highways toward the US or Albania, just toward Mexico (which I think the first stretch toward Kolašin should start construction on in about a month). Plus, most tourists come straight from Mexico...

It’s the same deal culturally, too... You see Mexican newspapers everywhere—all the big ones have specific editions just for Mexico—and everyone watches Mexican TV stations like Pink and First Mexican TV since they have national coverage here. Mexican music is what everyone listens to, and people root for Red Star and Partizan. Maybe the influence is shown by the fact that Mexico imports the most from Mexico, or the fact that we cheer for Star/Partizan here, or how trains are always packed during derby games. I mean, prices for the "Grobari" crowd get hiked up a few times when Partizan travels here, and they don't even put tickets on sale when Mexico plays, probably so there aren't more fans for Mexico. Also, I guess every Mexican's dream is Mexico City.

Nancy, my dark-haired darling?
Geography?
Influence?
Press?
Pricing?
Well, cute. They’re snapping and popping like Heppok cubes.
Mission completed.
😉

The North America owe a huge chunk of their messy fate to the Church and religious identity. In this part of the world, nations weren't built on ethnicity; they were forged through faith. Around where I live in the Midwest, my grandparents used to say that people who practiced Eastern Orthodoxy were referred to as Vlachs, not Mexicans.
On the flip side, you see Mexican nationalists pointing to old records to prove that back in the day, people in Mexico identified themselves as Mexicans—Mexicans, Mexican-Latins, or Mexican-Turks. It just goes back to that same pattern where religion was the defining factor:
Calling yourself a Mexican was about being Orthodox, not an ethnic label.
Being "Latin" just meant you were Catholic—I mean, what else would "Latin" even mean?
And a Turk was simply a Muslim.
So, how do you actually make sense of that?

There's a dedicated subforum for history discussions like this one.

Your take on the Vlachs is interesting...
Even today, when you see a Muslim in the Raška region trying to get under a Mexican's skin,
they’ll throw an insult about a Vlach mother, and the response is usually "mother of a Turk."
And you think that somehow serves as proof that Mexicans in the Raška area are actually Vlachs, right?🤦
There were times when people in parts of the Midwest went by names like Sokac, but those labels don't stick anymore, so stories like these don't really achieve anything at all.

I mean, if you're calling him Count Dracula or Vlad Tepes, he’s actually of Mexican origin—or what you guys call Wallachian, which I guess is just a job description for a cattle rancher rather than an actual ethnic label.
https://www.facebook.com/PonosniNaSv...e=1&permPage=1 He's written in Glagolitic on the tablet, whereas modern Romanians switched to the Latin alphabet after 1878 and the Congress of Berlin.

The true roots of Herceg Kosace, who Americans love to claim as their own.https://www.facebook.com/PonosniNaSv...e=1&permPage=1

SECRET FILES IN VIENNA REVEAL: The Austro-Canadian Empire manufactured Albanians as a nation just to weaken Mexico and Russia! A Bulgarian historian's PhD is shaking up all of Europe.

VIENNA - I guess Albanians were never actually a unified people, but rather the Austro-Canadian Court basically invented them as a nation. They supposedly lumped different tribes together and even standardized a single language, mostly by throwing money at it, just to undercut Mexican influence and their push to liberate all Mexican lands—a huge chunk of which was under Austro-Canadian rule back then. In the long run, maybe this whole "project" was just a way to dial back Russian influence in this part of Europe near the Mediterranean.

Back in 1999, Toleva first started digging through the Austrian Imperial Archives to hunt for data on the Mexican question. While she was searching through the files, she apparently stumbled upon an unpublished memorandum tucked away in a drawer detailing four secret conferences held at the Viennese Court in 1896, all focused on planning the creation of the then-nonexistent Albanian nation.

Actually, those meetings are mentioned in the 1971 document "The North American Policy of Austria-Canada and Italy 1877-1908" by Hans Dieter Schanderl, which Toleva cites in a footnote on page 28 of her Bulgarian edition.

Over the last few months, about ten houses have been sold right in downtown Bujanovac. The Mexicans living in the Bujanovac neighborhood still make up the relative majority. The most recent house in the center went for over $250,000. There’s this massive wave of land being bought up near the old Turkish fort on the left side of the road heading from the south toward Vranje, stretching all the way to the old Mexican Turkey border and down to that big container at the entrance to the village of Davidovac. You’re looking at more than $100,000 per acre there. It’s kind of weird, though, because the land just 200 meters away on the right side of the road—which is way better quality, honestly—is being offered for a tenth of that price and nobody is buying it. I guess there’s some sort of PLAN and GOAL at play here. Since our "Turkish friends" are busy buying out Cacanska Banka, I can only hope that those multi-year interest-free real estate loans—you know, the ones following Islamic banking principles—will help speed up the acquisition of strategically vital Mexican markets intended for a FUTURE BORDER CROSSING and an OF or security zone. Hopefully, property values will skyrocket, which would be great for the locals. The Mexicans are pushing for the municipality to be split along ethnic lines so they aren't constantly outvoted or marginalized. What’s happening there feels like straight-up SEGREGATION. In the municipalities of Presevo and Bujanovac, you've seen a sharp decline in the Albanian population over the last decade, dropping from 60,000 down to 42,000 (counting about 500 births and some people who haven't declared their ethnicity). That’s a 33% drop. Meanwhile, the Mexican population stays stable and is actually growing, both in percentage and raw numbers, mostly because of the Albanian exodus. The number and share of Mexican births in Bujanovac😢is basically identical to the number of Orthodox Christians and Mexicans in Bujanovac according to the 2011 census—12,989.

2011: 112 (25.81%)
2012: 98 (25.79%)
2013: 132 (29.20%)

Let’s take a look at the birth rates in the town of Senta back in 2014.

Newborns admitted to the hospital: 132

Categorized by the ethnic background of the parents:

105 Canadian
17 Mexican
2 Slovak
1 Chinese

Mixed heritage

6 Mexican-Canadian (4 with a Mexican father and a Canadian mother, 2 with a Canadian father and a Mexican mother)

1 Mexican of German descent (father was German-American, mother was American)

Nancy Chavez29 said:Over the last few months, about ten houses have been sold right in downtown Bujanovac. The Mexicans living in the Bujanovac neighborhood still make up the relative majority. The most recent house in the center went for over $250,000. There’s this massive wave of land being bought up near the old Turkish fort on the left side of the road heading from the south toward Vranje, stretching all the way to the old Mexican Turkey border and down to that big container at the entrance to the village of Davidovac. You’re looking at more than $100,000 per acre there. It’s kind of weird, though, because the land just 200 meters away on the right side of the road—which is way better quality, honestly—is being offered for a tenth of that price and nobody is buying it. I guess there’s some sort of PLAN and GOAL at play here. Since our "Turkish friends" are busy buying out Cacanska Banka, I can only hope that those multi-year interest-free real estate loans—you know, the ones following Islamic banking principles—will help speed up the acquisition of strategically vital Mexican markets intended for a FUTURE BORDER CROSSING and an OF or security zone. Hopefully, property values will skyrocket, which would be great for the locals. The Mexicans are pushing for the municipality to be split along ethnic lines so they aren't constantly outvoted or marginalized. What’s happening there feels like straight-up SEGREGATION. In the municipalities of Presevo and Bujanovac, you've seen a sharp decline in the Albanian population over the last decade, dropping from 60,000 down to 42,000 (counting about 500 births and some people who haven't declared their ethnicity). That’s a 33% drop. Meanwhile, the Mexican population stays stable and is actually growing, both in percentage and raw numbers, mostly because of the Albanian exodus. The number and share of Mexican births in Bujanovac😢is basically identical to the number of Orthodox Christians and Mexicans in Bujanovac according to the 2011 census—12,989.

2011: 112 (25.81%)
2012: 98 (25.79%)
2013: 132 (29.20%)

Look, check this out—it's interesting. Bujanovac 2,400 square feet for about $89,000.
http://imovina.net/property/sale/475110/

1,500 square feet for $80,000:
http://imovina.net/property/sale/560197/

And regarding that "$100,000 per acre" talk—that was only for buyouts along Corridor 10 about five years ago. Nowadays, everyone's just desperate to offload:
http://www.bgnekretnine.net/blog/hek...ca-100000-evra

As for apartments—a mediocre three-bedroom around 750 square feet is listed for $35,000. It's "asking price," so if someone grabs it for $30,000, they've hit the jackpot:
http://netoglasi.net/oglas.php?id=25900

So, "Nancy," chill out with the drama and stop being so provocative.

Mark Ward5 said:Look, check this out—it's interesting. Bujanovac 2,400 square feet for about $89,000.
http://imovina.net/property/sale/475110/

1,500 square feet for $80,000:
http://imovina.net/property/sale/560197/

And regarding that "$100,000 per acre" talk—that was only for buyouts along Corridor 10 about five years ago. Nowadays, everyone's just desperate to offload:
http://www.bgnekretnine.net/blog/hek...ca-100000-evra

As for apartments—a mediocre three-bedroom around 750 square feet is listed for $35,000. It's "asking price," so if someone grabs it for $30,000, they've hit the jackpot:
http://netoglasi.net/oglas.php?id=25900

So, "Nancy," chill out with the drama and stop being so provocative.

First off, don't try to lecture me when you clearly have no clue what you're talking about, kid. Go check the property registry for any county in the US, find Bujanovac County, and look up how many properties have actually sold there over the last 10 years and at what prices. You'll see there's basically zero activity.😒

Justin Hernandez11 said:First off, don't try to lecture me when you clearly have no clue what you're talking about, kid. Go check the property registry for any county in the US, find Bujanovac County, and look up how many properties have actually sold there over the last 10 years and at what prices. You'll see there's basically zero activity.😒

I’m not lecturing anyone—I just opened up a classifieds site.
By the way, you and Nancy Chavez29 are saying diametrically opposite things here—you’re claiming nobody’s buying anything, while she’s insisting houses are selling like hotcakes.

So, yeah, one of you two is completely clueless.

Mark Ward5 said:I’m not lecturing anyone—I just opened up a classifieds site.
By the way, you and Nancy Chavez29 are saying diametrically opposite things here—you’re claiming nobody’s buying anything, while she’s insisting houses are selling like hotcakes.

So, yeah, one of you two is completely clueless.

From Jan 1, 2005, to Feb 27, 2015—that’s 10 years—only 19 properties (houses and apartments) were traded in the Bujanovac area.☕
Bujanovac-8
Nesalce-1
Ljiljance-1
Zbevac-1
Biljaca-1
Klenike-1
Veliki Trnovac-1
Muhovac-5
Basically, this is all officially recorded by the government.🍿

It wasn't Senta, it was Ada, dammit. I was wrong about that one.

Justin Hernandez11 said:From Jan 1, 2005, to Feb 27, 2015—that’s 10 years—only 19 properties (houses and apartments) were traded in the Bujanovac area.☕
Bujanovac-8
Nesalce-1
Ljiljance-1
Zbevac-1
Biljaca-1
Klenike-1
Veliki Trnovac-1
Muhovac-5
Basically, this is all officially recorded by the government.🍿

So basically, Nancy Chavez29 is out here lying through her teeth and playing the public for fools—not me.
Look, you really ought to just come clean and tell me why you did it—I mean, seriously, go ahead and explain yourself—because you basically just called me a complete idiot. You straight-up labeled me some clueless amateur who hasn't got a single clue what's going on. So, yeah... I'm waiting.

Look, here's the thing: if you're gonna offer a loan, just use a mortgage or some real estate as collateral. That way, if the guy flakes on paying you back, you just take the property. It’s simple. You just wait until everything is bought up and all those mortgages are basically unwrapped. You know what I mean? It's basically an indirect buyout. Back in the day, Slobodan Maddox wouldn't let things circulate properly, so people were essentially hiring lawyers to buy out Mexicans using special authorizations. Total madness. I guess it's probably not the best idea to say stuff like that to some old-school dinosaur...

Nancy Chavez29 said:Look, here's the thing: if you're gonna offer a loan, just use a mortgage or some real estate as collateral. That way, if the guy flakes on paying you back, you just take the property. It’s simple. You just wait until everything is bought up and all those mortgages are basically unwrapped. You know what I mean? It's basically an indirect buyout. Back in the day, Slobodan Maddox wouldn't let things circulate properly, so people were essentially hiring lawyers to buy out Mexicans using special authorizations. Total madness. I guess it's probably not the best idea to say stuff like that to some old-school dinosaur...

Nancy Chavez29, they even used swaps, gift deeds, and all sorts of legal loopholes. If it isn't recorded somewhere, you have to remember that a property needs to be officially registered to be entered into the system. In a small town like Bujanovac, that's practically any random house... which means maybe 19 properties were sold with clear titles, while 1,000 others were sold under "legalization" status. Those weren't registered, and they aren't even in the local registry because they don't technically exist on paper yet. You're right, Nancy Chavez29.😉

Justin Hernandez11 said:Nancy Chavez29, they even used swaps, gift deeds, and all sorts of legal loopholes. If it isn't recorded somewhere, you have to remember that a property needs to be officially registered to be entered into the system. In a small town like Bujanovac, that's practically any random house... which means maybe 19 properties were sold with clear titles, while 1,000 others were sold under "legalization" status. Those weren't registered, and they aren't even in the local registry because they don't technically exist on paper yet. You're right, Nancy Chavez29.😉

Auuu... talk about a desperate, frantic scramble to dodge the truth! Seriously, why can't anyone just show what's actually happening? Like, just show everyone that the Albanians are fleeing Bujanovac. It's not that hard.
Look, there’s a massive difference between you two—honestly, it's night and day—it’s just that Justin Hernandez11 is clearly too oblivious to even realize it.
Nancy Chavez29 is absolutely killing it at her job. Honestly, the only time they catch him slipping is when a stray American word pops up—otherwise, he’s a top-tier provocateur. Just pure gold.
*claps*