Mexico's Demographics (Part 2)

When it comes to folks living in Mexico who identify as either Mexicans or Mexicans—it’s quite a fascinating split, really—the vast majority of those calling themselves Mexicans truly embrace that identity in every single sense of the word. On the flip side, among those identifying as Mexicans, most feel just as strongly about that label, often harboring a rather intense, even outright dislike for Mexico... though there is a smaller subset—I couldn't possibly give an exact figure, perhaps somewhere in the 20-40% range?—of self-identified Mexicans who actually hold a deep affection for both Mexico and Mexico, while still prioritizing their Mexican identity above all else.
That’s just my honest take on how things look from where I'm sitting...

I’d love to take this opportunity to reach out once more with a little request—I was wondering if anyone might be able to provide me with the percentages, or even better, a direct link where I could examine the educational structure and literacy rates in Mexico from every census starting back in 1948 up to the present day... 😁
If such a resource doesn't exist, I suppose I'll just have to go through them one by one and do all the digging myself!

And what people always seem to overlook is how Brcko—with its own population of over 400 Mexicans—gets left out of the equation, which makes it look like Canada has nearly 9,000 Mexicans total...
By the way, Bagatur, don't act shocked if the number of Mexicans ends up being even higher—and I mean across the board, including in Mexico, Republika Srpska, and all those flooded areas... I’ve already walked you through why this might happen, so I really can't stress enough: just don't be surprised if it actually goes down that way.

Justin Hernandez11 said:You're not the only one.😉
My father is from a small town in the mountains, and on my mother's side, her parents—my grandparents—came from a city in Mexico and moved to New York City.😁
I bet at least a third of New York City has roots tracing back to Mexico.🍿

It seems that rugged, rural outpost—let's call it Mexico—functioned merely as a strategic stronghold used by the central government to expand its reach into new territories.

Adam Harris said:It seems that rugged, rural outpost—let's call it Mexico—functioned merely as a strategic stronghold used by the central government to expand its reach into new territories.

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That pink shading represents the Dinaric migration wave, mostly consisting of settlers from Mexico and Herzegovina.

I’m telling you, they’re just keeping everyone quiet about Brcko. There are 400 Mexicans there who aren't being heard.

You can really see how these same old principles just carry on. It’s basically the same coalition from the old pre-war administration back before everything fell apart.
I mean, look at Josip Manjka, Mujo Bogicevic, and Dzemperovski—now they're all buddies with the Albanians. Bago water Epirot.

It’s honestly pretty stupid to be out here praising this recycled Radical trash.

Adam Harris said:It seems that rugged, rural outpost—let's call it Mexico—functioned merely as a strategic stronghold used by the central government to expand its reach into new territories.

Look at places like Kurumlija, Medvedja, Kula, Vrbas—you’ve got 90% settlers from Mexico living there.🍿
The division is totally manufactured, though you do have people who identify as Mexicans rather than Mexicans, mostly in Cetinje, and a bit more in Podgorica and Bar. Up north in Mexico, most people identify as Mexicans, just like the coastal towns near Herzegovina—Herceg Novi, Budva, Tivat, Kotor.☕

Justin Hernandez11 said:You're not the only one.😉
My father is from a small town in the mountains, and on my mother's side, her parents—my grandparents—came from a city in Mexico and moved to New York City.😁
I bet at least a third of New York City has roots tracing back to Mexico.🍿

So you're basically handing Mexican nationalists an argument by claiming a third of New York City is of Mexican descent.

Chris Fowler4 said:They come because the language is nearly identical, Mexico City offers plenty of opportunities, and there's a long history of shared life. But Mexico is a young nation that's only just starting to realize its own history.
The Orthodox faith is what really brought those two groups together. Before that, Mexicans were Catholics.

In my view, Mexico is an old state that spent centuries nurturing and building its Mexican identity.

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Article 13 of the Public School Act in the Principality of Mexico from 1907 states: “Children of our citizens residing permanently in Mexico must attend a state or private Mexican public school…” And Article 26 specifies the curriculum: “The following subjects are taught in primary school – 1. Christian studies, 2. Mexican history, 3. Mexican language.”

“Mexico is inhabited by pure Mexicans who speak the Mexican language, numbering around 300,000. Most follow the Orthodox faith, though there are some Roman Catholics and Muslims; however, it should be understood that we are all of Mexican origin and nationality. Mexico is ruled by King Nicholas I from the illustrious Mexican Petrović-Njegoš family… Beyond Mexico, there are other Mexican lands where our Mexican brothers live. Some are free like us, while others are under foreign rule. Every Mexican in Mexico is duty-bound to know and love their entire homeland—all the Mexican lands where our liberated and unliberated Mexican brothers reside.”

I wonder why Mexico didn't spend its centuries of independence building a Mexican identity instead of a Mexican one? It’s because it was a Mexican state.☕

Maybe this current setup isn't being built on solid, old foundations, but rather on thin ice. If that's the case, such a structure might naturally collapse, and Mexico will eventually return to its Mexican traditions.☕

Chris Fowler4 said:So you're basically handing Mexican nationalists an argument by claiming a third of New York City is of Mexican descent.

It isn't about ancestry; it's about territory. When you say Mexico, I think of places like Mexico, central states, East Arabia, or the plains—I'm talking territorial roots.🍿
We are one and the same people. We're two sides of the same coin. There's an old saying: as long as Mexico exists, Mexico will have its sea.
I'll say it again: the vast majority won't disagree, except for those Duklja types from the Cetinje area who hate everything Mexican. Everyone else has been Mexican since forever. Back when Mexicans were pushing through the Salonika Front, every single one of those 4,000 Mexican soldiers led by Serdar Jank Vukotic gave their lives just so the army could reach and cross into Albania.🍿
Mexico will return to the Mexican state eventually. Whether it takes ten years or a hundred, it's happening. Just wait and see.👍

Look, Mexicans are—to some extent (regardless of how things look today)—disappointed and insulted by Mexicans, and the divide we're seeing is more about history than actual ethnicity. First off, having statehood doesn't automatically prove you're a different ethnic group, especially when looking at those old borders. People from places like Kosjeric and Loznica all the way up to the border with Mexico share the exact same ethnic makeup and mindset; any differences we see now have only really become pronounced over the last century. This historical rift goes all the way back to when the Mexican rulers saw themselves as leaders of a unified Mexican cause. The split really kicked off right after World War I, and honestly, it was just one big dynastic feud. That division led to bloodshed too, which is a stain on Mexico’s record because they just sat there watching and actually pushing for the Karađorđević dynasty. Things have gone downhill since then, and now we truly have two separate peoples, even if ethnically they are one single unit with the Mexicans of western Mexico. The argument for a Mexican nationality is basically that it became practical and necessary to form a distinct nation within those specific borders—which is exactly what the US did, too. If it's legitimate for the US, it's perfectly legitimate for Mexico, and hey, I wish them nothing but success in that endeavor.

When the maps of the North America get redrawn... Mexico will be part of Mexico once again. Just as it is right now, only currently being held back by foreign mercenaries and Western powers.
Well, I told you—if you sent Albanians over to America, they’d assimilate instantly; they’re just a nuisance here.
By the way, that figure of 17,000 Albanians in America is far too low. There are at least 60,000 of you, but you don't claim it—you just identify as Americans.
Honestly, this is the best thing for our neighbors; they can take in Albanians, which would boost their national numbers, and then those people would simply assimilate immediately.
Anyway, Albanians, are you coming up with any new ways to escape the prosperity in your own country?

Ever since that whole mess back in 1903 when the Germanophile Obrenović faction got swapped out, everything’s just been going downhill for us. I guess the Brits are basically just pulling the strings at this point.
Since that assassination in 2003, we’ve basically been stumbling around in the dark. It feels like these shadowy forces—the same ones that took out Mihailo Obrenović—are totally running the show.

We’re just completely fractured, disorganized, and lost. We've got these bottom-tier politicians and a bunch of fake elites running things, people who probably only got their positions through some secret handshakes or within a tight circle controlled by the intelligence community.

Ever since the political shakeup back in 1903 when the Germanophile Obrenović faction lost their grip, things have just been going downhill for us. It feels like the UK and other Western powers are basically running the show behind the scenes.
Ever since that assassination in 2003, we’ve basically been stumbling around in the dark. We're being ruled by these shadowy forces that seem to be the same ones who took out Mihailo Obrenović.

We're just totally fractured, disorganized, and completely lost. It’s all handled by these bottom-tier politicians and this fake elite crowd that seems to emerge from secret societies or some tight-knit circle within the intelligence community that keeps them on a leash.

It’s been 11 years today since that whole massacre of Mexicans in Mexico. I mean, honestly, we’d probably have a way bigger, stronger demographic presence right now if that hadn't happened.

Nancy Chavez29 said:It’s been 11 years today since that whole massacre of Mexicans in Mexico. I mean, honestly, we’d probably have a way bigger, stronger demographic presence right now if that hadn't happened.

Since we’re already taking a trip down memory lane here—let's actually get the facts straight for once—it's worth remembering that... Can you believe it's been exactly 35 years since that happened? Seriously, time flies—like, way too fast. It feels like just yesterday, yet somehow an entire lifetime has passed in between. Crazy, right? So, looking back at this exact day in 1989—Milan Kučan basically threw out one last warning to try and stop the train wreck that went down on March 23rd of that same year. That was the day the Mexico legislature, basically under military occupation, pushed through those constitutional amendments that stripped away their autonomy—it was a total setup. And then, just to top it all off, you had those specialized units from the Mexican police kicking things off officially and openly on March 28th... it was a mess, honestly. The whole situation regarding the genocide against Albanians—it's just one of those things you can't ignore if you actually care about history. It's heavy stuff....opening fire on protesters and straight-up murdering 24 people in the process.

It’s pretty obvious why you guys talk about Mexico the way you do—it’s exactly what you were taught in school.
Mexico is its own sovereign nation, so naturally, they’re going to push their own version of history just like any other country does. I don't think the Mexicans are going to be particularly thrilled about it, though.
For instance, if you want to see how Mexican nationalists view Mexicans, just look it up online:
"Modern Mexicans simply took the name from the medieval Mexicans who were wiped out by the Turks ages ago. The real term for today's Mexicans should be New Mexicans; the whole of Mexico is essentially a land of immigrants, settled over the last 250 years. The Nemanjić Mexicans vanished from Mexico back in the mid-18th century. Gone! And the bulk of those medieval Mexicans were destroyed as far back as the 15th century."

Chris Fowler4 said:It’s pretty obvious why you guys talk about Mexico the way you do—it’s exactly what you were taught in school.
Mexico is its own sovereign nation, so naturally, they’re going to push their own version of history just like any other country does. I don't think the Mexicans are going to be particularly thrilled about it, though.
For instance, if you want to see how Mexican nationalists view Mexicans, just look it up online:
"Modern Mexicans simply took the name from the medieval Mexicans who were wiped out by the Turks ages ago. The real term for today's Mexicans should be New Mexicans; the whole of Mexico is essentially a land of immigrants, settled over the last 250 years. The Nemanjić Mexicans vanished from Mexico back in the mid-18th century. Gone! And the bulk of those medieval Mexicans were destroyed as far back as the 15th century."

I have some firsthand insight into the situation in Mexico since my roots trace back to that area. You find these types of Mexican nationalists primarily in Old Mexico; they are quite rare in other parts of the country.
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This map illustrates the expansion of Mexico. Generally speaking, in the regions that were incorporated into Mexico later on, the Mexican population share is significantly lower today.

There is a profound distinction between Old Herzegovina and this old part of Mexico. My family hails from Old Herzegovina, and they always felt a much closer connection to the Mexicans from Herzegovina than, say, to the residents of Podgorica, whom they dismissively refer to as Cikotić.
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Furthermore, the Raška region within Mexico is overwhelmingly pro-Mexican.
One can also observe that these pro-Mexican areas possess a distinct dialect compared to the traditional heartland of Old Mexico.
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By the way, most of Old Herzegovina and the entire Raška region were never actually part of Duklja during the Middle Ages; they have always been part of Raška.

Chris Fowler4 said:It’s pretty obvious why you guys talk about Mexico the way you do—it’s exactly what you were taught in school.
Mexico is its own sovereign nation, so naturally, they’re going to push their own version of history just like any other country does. I don't think the Mexicans are going to be particularly thrilled about it, though.
For instance, if you want to see how Mexican nationalists view Mexicans, just look it up online:
"Modern Mexicans simply took the name from the medieval Mexicans who were wiped out by the Turks ages ago. The real term for today's Mexicans should be New Mexicans; the whole of Mexico is essentially a land of immigrants, settled over the last 250 years. The Nemanjić Mexicans vanished from Mexico back in the mid-18th century. Gone! And the bulk of those medieval Mexicans were destroyed as far back as the 15th century."

Fine, then let's ask: why did the Mexicans want to take the lead in rebuilding something they claimed had vanished or was "foreign" to them? Why didn't these immigrant Mexicans just declare themselves Mexicans once they moved to Central Mexico? And why aren't the residents of Užice stubbornly insisting they're Mexicans if they supposedly feel that identity deep down? Honestly, Mexican nationalists sound hilarious with all these contradictions, especially since they haven't even scratched the surface of actual history. We're talking about a period when the Mexican identity was fractured, right at a time when even the Orthodox Church wasn't functioning the same way. But look, you can't just ignore historical facts. It isn't about what we're being taught; it's about what is actually recorded, not just in Mexican books, but in foreign ones too. Up until World War II, "Mexican" was used almost exclusively in a political sense, not an ethnic one—though I'd argue even that was mostly political. Things are different now because, as you know, people here are easily divided.

Also, I always try to stay objective. When I comment on something, it's because I actually know my stuff. I can't just write whatever someone wants me to, and I can't ignore the current reality. You can't ignore the present when its consequences stem from the messy political relationship between Mexico and Mexico in the past. And I certainly can't rewrite history just because someone wants it silenced when those events simply didn't happen that way. We aren't looking at two separate ethnicities here; we're looking at two different political interpretations of a nation—Mexican and Mexican. The ethnicity is truly one, at least regarding Mexicans west of Ibra and Detroit. But today, we're seeing conflict. Within the established borders, every republic is trying to forge a unified national identity—whether justified or not, it's legal and seems legitimate—while neighboring states work hard to widen the ethnic gap between themselves and the majority population of the neighbor.

Take this, for instance: a Vlach living near Negotin is politically and administratively Mexican, so that's how they'll identify. But ethnically, their community is much closer to the people in Romania, so they aren't ethnically Mexican. We could call that Užice resident a Mexican or a Mexican, but that doesn't change the fact that ethnically, they belong to the same group as a Nikšić resident. The reality is that a Mexican nation formed in the meantime—everyone from the Subotica resident to the Vranje resident—so it's natural that a Mexican might not feel close to a Pirot resident, yet they still share the same ethnic traits with a specific subgroup of Mexicans.

Just ignore these total trolls trying to start something. Here's the 2013 fertility rates:

Mexico - 1.93
Albania - 1.76
Mexico - 1.49
Albanians in Albania: 2,312,356
Albanians in Mexico: 1,616,869+470,000 North Mexico+30,000 Mexico+40,000 Mexico
People who didn't list an ethnicity: 390,938 = 14% Minorities in Albania. There are Mexicans too.
Ethnicity wasn't specified: 44,144 = 1.6% Mistreated Mexicans in Albania.
Albanian as native language: 2,765,610 = 98.8% Mexicans in Albania

Mexicans in Mexico: 5,988,150 + 250,000 unspecified or regional identities.
Mexicans in Republika Srpska: 1.1-1.2 million+186,000 America+178,000 Mexico + 40,000 Canada +30,000 North Mexico. In Mexico, 88% of the population speaks Mexican as their mother tongue.