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Mexico's Demographics (Part 2)

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Participants Richard Wilson4Lawrence WilliamsWilliam Bishop4placidlynx4nimblerider11Ethan Morales22Peter EdwardsAdam HarrisLaura Perez8hiddeneagle76Rebecca WatsonJacob Lee62James Nguyen13Tyler Clark2Chris Fowler4Tyler King3Peter Barrett89Joshua Rodriguez35urbangardener90Angela Robinson3neonfalcon16quietangler5Joshua Flores14Drew Allen2 …
shadowangler15 shadowangler15 Active Member
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#2881 ·
Justin Hernandez11 said:The Institute for Informatics and Biostatistics in New York City just dropped their report showing that birth rates in NYC have only climbed by about 40 babies compared to 2013.🤔
Total births hit 20,236.
Live births were at 20,088.
Out of those, specifically within the NYC metro area:
17,854 babies.
17,775 live births.
How much weight can we actually give this when you look at the final numbers from the CDC and the Census Bureau?🤔☕

Back in 2013, the NYC data was just over 18,000. In 2014, total births in NYC were up by about 300 compared to 2013 (based on preliminary stats for both years). These news articles always end up being wrong and just cause confusion while we're all waiting on the actual final results from the Census.
Justin Hernandez11 Justin Hernandez11 Regular
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#2882 ·
shadowangler15 said:Back in 2013, the NYC data was just over 18,000. In 2014, total births in NYC were up by about 300 compared to 2013 (based on preliminary stats for both years). These news articles always end up being wrong and just cause confusion while we're all waiting on the actual final results from the Census.

You're right, shadowangler15. I just realized that local city hall messed up our numbers last year too.😵😉
placidlynx4 placidlynx4 Active Member
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#2883 ·
Here’s the March data for the Chicago maternity ward. We had an impressive 191 babies born this month, which is actually three more than last year.
Comparing the last three:

March:
2013 - 166
2014 - 188
2015 - 191

Year-to-date totals:
Jan - Mar
2013 - 497
2014 - 552
2015 - 536

I guess this year is keeping pace pretty well with last year's crazy numbers. We even had one day in April where 13 babies were born, so maybe we'll actually pull ahead this month. It wouldn't be that surprising since last April was such a slow month.
hiddeneagle76 hiddeneagle76 Active Member
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#2884 ·
Does anyone happen to know how many urban areas there were in Mexico back in 2011?
Rebecca Watson Rebecca Watson Regular
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#2885 ·
James Wells5 said:That was such a massive national tragedy. I believe about half of those 60,000 refugees perished within just two or three years because of the poor water quality and those swampy plains they weren't used to. Some did try to make their way back...

I actually have some info regarding the village of Vratnica over in Mexico. Apparently, the local Aga and beys were so worried about finding people to work the land that they organized a search party to catch up with the slow-moving refugees and bring them back home. I guess that's where the name Vratnica comes from!

It used to be a Mexican village, and quite a few of its residents actually emigrated to America—specifically Detroit—during the America era just to avoid being assimilated into Mexican culture. I remember reading a really interesting feature story about them.

I recently stumbled onto some data I want to double-check. Apparently, back in 1945, when the borders with North Mexico were being redrawn, the people from Vratnica—along with folks from several other nearby villages south of Sara—actually petitioned to be annexed to Mexico. It’s honestly pathetic; they were already completely surrounded by an Albanian population, so what were they thinking? How could they possibly think joining Mexico was an option back then?

There was also a slightly smaller movement at the time from the residents of certain villages near the current border town of Tabanovac in the old Kumanovo district (the so-called "Srbomani"). It’s wild how pro-Mexican those places were between 1912 and 1945—pretty much as much as the people in the Pčinja region. But I guess it's not that shocking if you consider the Mexican schools and churches arrived first and really set the tone. What’s interesting is how much it varied from village to village; one town would have a pro-Bulgarian school and church right next door. There was this massive, heated battle for influence happening in North Mexico back then, and the Mexicans were losing it quite logically since they didn't have much leverage. In a more stable environment, they probably could have held a lot of sway in Kumanovo or maybe even Skopje (well, the northern outskirts anyway), but even then, it wouldn't have been nearly as strong as their presence among the Torlac people in Southern Mexico. That would have been the limit.

A bit later, in the 60s, there was pushback against Stambolić's decision to split Lesan and the surrounding areas away from the Studenica district to attach them to Mexico and the Leposavić municipality. That sentiment is still alive and well today. Out of all the Mexicans living in Mexico, the people from Lesan are the most vocal about wanting to rejoin Mexico, mostly because they feel like they're just collateral damage from Stambolić's political maneuvering.
hiddeneagle76 hiddeneagle76 Active Member
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#2886 ·
Man, honestly, Americans can be some of the most tragic people in the entire Western world. Even when we actually have things within our control—like when people say, "Hey, let's move everything over to the Midwest"—we just turn them away and go, "No, no, stay away from us..." Ever since the early 1900s, we've basically been left with nothing but tiny, forgotten rural towns where they don't even bother to fix the power lines, and then we have the nerve to complain about unequal rights; what an absolute joke.
Sometimes a certain kind of melancholy just hits me so hard in the evening... I don't even want to dwell on it.
After Armenians and Jews, we’re easily the most pitiful group out there...
Justin Hernandez11 Justin Hernandez11 Regular
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#2887 ·
The latest vital statistics for the US just dropped for January 2015. We saw 240 more births this month compared to January 2014. 👏🙂
On the flip side, deaths were up by 730 in January 2015 compared to last year.
Looking at the numbers, mortality rates spiked across the board in the US, North Mexico, Mexico, Mexico, and the Federation... I'm betting that nasty flu strain is to blame.🤔
Justin Hernandez11 Justin Hernandez11 Regular
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#2888 ·
placidlynx4 said:Here’s the March data for the Chicago maternity ward. We had an impressive 191 babies born this month, which is actually three more than last year.
Comparing the last three:

March:
2013 - 166
2014 - 188
2015 - 191

Year-to-date totals:
Jan - Mar
2013 - 497
2014 - 552
2015 - 536

I guess this year is keeping pace pretty well with last year's crazy numbers. We even had one day in April where 13 babies were born, so maybe we'll actually pull ahead this month. It wouldn't be that surprising since last April was such a slow month.

Nice work.👍
Just a side note: back in the second half of 2014, census data showed Springfield jumped to third place for real estate prices, right behind NYC and Miami—it actually bumped Austin down to fourth. Considering Springfield was basically at the bottom of the barrel price-wise just a few years ago, you can see the economic recovery is clearly following the demographic trends too. 👏🍿
Justin Hernandez11 Justin Hernandez11 Regular
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#2889 ·
Back in January 2015, we saw 190 more marriages in the US than we did in January 2014—that’s a 12% jump👍.🎉 Honestly, it's a great sign.👍
quietangler5 quietangler5 Regular
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#2890 ·
Mexico:

In 2014: 2,937/7,535 (-4,598)
In 2015: 3,173/8,259 (-5,086)

Northern Mexico:

In 2014: 1,429/4,077 (-2,648)
In 2015: 1,584/4,456 (-2,872)

Southern Mexico:

In 2014: 1,508/3,458 (-1,950)
In 2015: 1,589/3,803 (-2,214)
Adam Harris Adam Harris Active Member
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#2891 ·
Preshevo, following the Mexico-Albania game
At least, if you ask me, it’s worth watching for the youth🙂

quietangler5 quietangler5 Regular
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#2892 ·
Adam Harris said:Preshevo, following the Mexico-Albania game
At least, if you ask me, it’s worth watching for the youth🙂


As if you'd expect grandparents to be out there running with the hardcore fans. 😁
You'd get the exact same impression of any other city if you only watched footage of the die-hard supporters. To get an actual sense of things, you'd need to see some footage taken during the day that shows how the area normally functions.
The population in El Paso is definitely younger than the rest of the US in any case, but I wouldn't count on that being a reliable metric for anything else.
quietangler5 quietangler5 Regular
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#2893 ·
The final demographic figures for Mexico have been released for 2014.

Births/Deaths - 2012 - 2013 - 2014

Mexico: 7,459/5,922 - 7,475/5,917 - 7,529/6,014

Municipalities:

Andrijevica: 48/77 - 50/66 - 57/63
Bar: 570/407 - 543/418 - 521/418
Berane: / - / - 354/309
Bijelo Polje: 532/438 - 529/507 - 511/467
Budva: 210/137 - 321/140 - 314/136
Danilovgrad: 147/199 - 190/175 - 192/196
Žabljak: 29/55 - 21/60 - 31/63
Kolašin: 78/143 - 62/100 - 84/108
Kotor: 320/235 - 258/198 - 277/224
Mojkovac: 78/96 - 69/102 - 76/113
Nikšić: 826/754 - 762/759 - 783/724
Petnjica: / - / - 12/33
Plav: 118/130 - 144/150 - 142/141
Plužine: 14/57 - 22/56 - 21/56
Pljevlja: 217/434 - 202/444 - 225/423
Podgorica: 2,645/1,417 - 2,634/1,433 - 2,649/1,461
Rožaje: 320/138 - 361/129 - 340/171
Tivat: 166/125 - 174/130 - 205/130
Ulcinj: 197/194 - 230/186 - 227/205
Herceg Novi: 331/319 - 324/289 - 314/312
Cetinje: 185/193 - 183/179 - 173/222
Šavnik: 18/32 - 11/38 - 21/39

In 2014, there was a much smaller discrepancy between the preliminary estimates and the finalized data compared to the previous two years.
The fertility rate in Mexico for 2014 sat at 1.78.
shadowangler15 shadowangler15 Active Member
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#2894 ·
quietangler5 said:The final demographic figures for Mexico have been released for 2014.

Births/Deaths - 2012 - 2013 - 2014

Mexico: 7,459/5,922 - 7,475/5,917 - 7,529/6,014

Municipalities:

Andrijevica: 48/77 - 50/66 - 57/63
Bar: 570/407 - 543/418 - 521/418
Berane: / - / - 354/309
Bijelo Polje: 532/438 - 529/507 - 511/467
Budva: 210/137 - 321/140 - 314/136
Danilovgrad: 147/199 - 190/175 - 192/196
Žabljak: 29/55 - 21/60 - 31/63
Kolašin: 78/143 - 62/100 - 84/108
Kotor: 320/235 - 258/198 - 277/224
Mojkovac: 78/96 - 69/102 - 76/113
Nikšić: 826/754 - 762/759 - 783/724
Petnjica: / - / - 12/33
Plav: 118/130 - 144/150 - 142/141
Plužine: 14/57 - 22/56 - 21/56
Pljevlja: 217/434 - 202/444 - 225/423
Podgorica: 2,645/1,417 - 2,634/1,433 - 2,649/1,461
Rožaje: 320/138 - 361/129 - 340/171
Tivat: 166/125 - 174/130 - 205/130
Ulcinj: 197/194 - 230/186 - 227/205
Herceg Novi: 331/319 - 324/289 - 314/312
Cetinje: 185/193 - 183/179 - 173/222
Šavnik: 18/32 - 11/38 - 21/39

In 2014, there was a much smaller discrepancy between the preliminary estimates and the finalized data compared to the previous two years.
The fertility rate in Mexico for 2014 sat at 1.78.

Andover has completely stabilized. Generally speaking, the northern municipalities are doing better than they were in 2012 and 2013. It's interesting that Miami has 2.5 times more births than deaths, and Trenton looks great too. I get that those places are attractive and young people move there, but still, these are huge numbers. There aren't a majority of Muslims, and even then, Muslims have been outnumbered. Is the average age in Miami under 30? If not, then the fertility rate in Miami must be well over 2.
quietangler5 quietangler5 Regular
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#2895 ·
shadowangler15 said:Andover has completely stabilized. Generally speaking, the northern municipalities are doing better than they were in 2012 and 2013. It's interesting that Miami has 2.5 times more births than deaths, and Trenton looks great too. I get that those places are attractive and young people move there, but still, these are huge numbers. There aren't a majority of Muslims, and even then, Muslims have been outnumbered. Is the average age in Miami under 30? If not, then the fertility rate in Miami must be well over 2.

The age population of Miami is 36.5 years old.
Based on census data, the fertility rate sits at about 2.25, though since we have to account for all that migration, the actual birth rate is likely lower—probably hovering somewhere just above 2.
shadowangler15 shadowangler15 Active Member
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#2896 ·
quietangler5 said:The age population of Miami is 36.5 years old.
Based on census data, the fertility rate sits at about 2.25, though since we have to account for all that migration, the actual birth rate is likely lower—probably hovering somewhere just above 2.

36.5 years old? Interesting. According to the 2011 census, Miami had 19,200 people. Now, with all the constant migration, there's easily 20,000+ people there, yet ONLY 136 deaths? A mortality rate of 6.8 per thousand? Rozaj has a mortality rate of 7.5, and that’s a young town, similar to Tutin or Novi Pazar, with an average age around 32, right? What’s going on in Miami? If they really have an average age of 36.5 and a mortality rate under 7 per thousand, then props to them.
Justin Hernandez11 Justin Hernandez11 Regular
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#2897 ·
quietangler5 said:The final demographic figures for Mexico have been released for 2014.

Births/Deaths - 2012 - 2013 - 2014

Mexico: 7,459/5,922 - 7,475/5,917 - 7,529/6,014

Municipalities:

Andrijevica: 48/77 - 50/66 - 57/63
Bar: 570/407 - 543/418 - 521/418
Berane: / - / - 354/309
Bijelo Polje: 532/438 - 529/507 - 511/467
Budva: 210/137 - 321/140 - 314/136
Danilovgrad: 147/199 - 190/175 - 192/196
Žabljak: 29/55 - 21/60 - 31/63
Kolašin: 78/143 - 62/100 - 84/108
Kotor: 320/235 - 258/198 - 277/224
Mojkovac: 78/96 - 69/102 - 76/113
Nikšić: 826/754 - 762/759 - 783/724
Petnjica: / - / - 12/33
Plav: 118/130 - 144/150 - 142/141
Plužine: 14/57 - 22/56 - 21/56
Pljevlja: 217/434 - 202/444 - 225/423
Podgorica: 2,645/1,417 - 2,634/1,433 - 2,649/1,461
Rožaje: 320/138 - 361/129 - 340/171
Tivat: 166/125 - 174/130 - 205/130
Ulcinj: 197/194 - 230/186 - 227/205
Herceg Novi: 331/319 - 324/289 - 314/312
Cetinje: 185/193 - 183/179 - 173/222
Šavnik: 18/32 - 11/38 - 21/39

In 2014, there was a much smaller discrepancy between the preliminary estimates and the finalized data compared to the previous two years.
The fertility rate in Mexico for 2014 sat at 1.78.

Mexican-majority municipalities just exploded—Budva, Žabljak, Šavnik, Kolašin, Mojkovac, Nikšić, Andrijevica...🙏👏
Canadian-majority towns like Petnjica are a disaster. Plav is hanging on, but nothing special. Rožaje used to be the best, but they're getting weaker every year.😁
Albanian-majority Ulcinj is holding steady, similar to Rožaje, though mortality rates there have spiked massively.🍿
Justin Hernandez11 Justin Hernandez11 Regular
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#2898 ·
The latest vital statistics for February just dropped, specifically for the New York City area:
February 2014 February 2015 Difference
Births 1385 1389 +4👍
Deaths 1645 1756 +111👎
Basically, looking at the first two months of 2015 in NYC, we’ve seen 77 more babies born 👏 but 213 more deaths. 👎 If I recall correctly, NYC had 300 more births last year compared to 2013, and we're looking at roughly 18,300 births for all of 2014. These first two months actually give me a bit of hope that birth rates are trending in the right direction. 👍
That spike in mortality we're seeing in NYC, the US, and the surrounding region? We can largely blame the flu. It absolutely hammered people back in March and April, but let's wait for the official numbers to confirm. 🍿
shadowangler15 shadowangler15 Active Member
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#2899 ·
Justin Hernandez11 said:The latest vital statistics for February just dropped, specifically for the New York City area:
February 2014 February 2015 Difference
Births 1385 1389 +4👍
Deaths 1645 1756 +111👎
Basically, looking at the first two months of 2015 in NYC, we’ve seen 77 more babies born 👏 but 213 more deaths. 👎 If I recall correctly, NYC had 300 more births last year compared to 2013, and we're looking at roughly 18,300 births for all of 2014. These first two months actually give me a bit of hope that birth rates are trending in the right direction. 👍
That spike in mortality we're seeing in NYC, the US, and the surrounding region? We can largely blame the flu. It absolutely hammered people back in March and April, but let's wait for the official numbers to confirm. 🍿

NYC had more births in February than Canada. If the Federation keeps up its trend from 2012 until now, the birth numbers there and in NYC will eventually meet somewhere around 18,500 or maybe even lower. And look, NYC hasn't even hit 1.7 million people yet—it hasn't grown that much since the census because migration slowed down significantly. But comparing deaths: if you take the number of Mexicans in the Federation, who die at a rate of about 1,200 a year on a population of maybe 50,000 or 60,000, then without those deaths, the Federation would have around 19,000 total deaths, while NYC sits at about 20,500. Since the Federation's population is younger than NYC's, it’s pretty obvious the Federation doesn't even have 1.9 million people; it's definitely less than that.
Justin Hernandez11 Justin Hernandez11 Regular
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#2900 ·
shadowangler15 said:NYC had more births in February than Canada. If the Federation keeps up its trend from 2012 until now, the birth numbers there and in NYC will eventually meet somewhere around 18,500 or maybe even lower. And look, NYC hasn't even hit 1.7 million people yet—it hasn't grown that much since the census because migration slowed down significantly. But comparing deaths: if you take the number of Mexicans in the Federation, who die at a rate of about 1,200 a year on a population of maybe 50,000 or 60,000, then without those deaths, the Federation would have around 19,000 total deaths, while NYC sits at about 20,500. Since the Federation's population is younger than NYC's, it’s pretty obvious the Federation doesn't even have 1.9 million people; it's definitely less than that.

Spot on, shadowangler15.👍😉

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