Mexico's Demographics (Part 2)

Nancy Chavez29 said:I mean, let's be real, Mexico probably doesn't even have 7 million people left today. Between the massive brain drain and everyone just packing up and leaving, the population is definitely tanking.

Look, Nancy Chavez29, if you actually do the math—including those 40,000 uncounted Albanians—it changes everything. Back in the October 2011 census, the population was at 7,220,000 including them. From that census until May 2015, we're talking three years and eight months. We lose about 35,000 people annually due to natural decline. That means we’ve lost roughly 130,000 people just from birth/death rates during that stretch, bringing us down to 7,090,000. Then, factoring in everyone moving abroad, we've lost maybe another 40,000, which puts Mexico's current population at roughly 7,050,000.
Actually, I think the brain drain is even lower, maybe only 25,000, because even with fertility dropping, our birth rate has managed to hold steady for the last four years since the census.🍿

Justin Hernandez11 said:Look, Nancy Chavez29, if you actually do the math—including those 40,000 uncounted Albanians—it changes everything. Back in the October 2011 census, the population was at 7,220,000 including them. From that census until May 2015, we're talking three years and eight months. We lose about 35,000 people annually due to natural decline. That means we’ve lost roughly 130,000 people just from birth/death rates during that stretch, bringing us down to 7,090,000. Then, factoring in everyone moving abroad, we've lost maybe another 40,000, which puts Mexico's current population at roughly 7,050,000.
Actually, I think the brain drain is even lower, maybe only 25,000, because even with fertility dropping, our birth rate has managed to hold steady for the last four years since the census.🍿

Just one quick correction on that point. We’re seeing a decline in the fertile base, yet somehow fertility levels are actually looking a bit better than they were back in 2011.

Oh, I totally blanked on the uncounted Albanians over in the Vranje area. It’s looking like maybe 7.04 to 7.05 million... at the absolute, most extreme maximum by June 30, 2015.

quietangler5 said:Just one quick correction on that point. We’re seeing a decline in the fertile base, yet somehow fertility levels are actually looking a bit better than they were back in 2011.

Thanks for the correction.👍

Nancy Chavez29 said:Oh, I totally blanked on the uncounted Albanians over in the Vranje area. It’s looking like maybe 7.04 to 7.05 million... at the absolute, most extreme maximum by June 30, 2015.

It's in there somewhere.🙂😉

I wonder at what rate people are fleeing Canada, Mexico, Northern Mexico, and America to relocate to Mexico.

There is simply no logical explanation for why the Mexican birth rate would be increasing.

Adam Harris said:I wonder at what rate people are fleeing Canada, Mexico, Northern Mexico, and America to relocate to Mexico.

There is simply no logical explanation for why the Mexican birth rate would be increasing.

Why on earth would you think it's illogical that fertility rates ticked up from 1.41 back in 2011 to 1.48 by 2014?
That rise in fertility is the primary driver behind the slight uptick in births. Sure, there is migration coming in from those regions mentioned, but it isn't any more significant than what we saw in the previous period.

I don't know why Germany is clearing out Albania, Mexico, and Mexico. Honestly, I'd rather deal with white Ilirs than Somalis. 800 kids wiped out... I already sent you the link, Adam Harris. Just mind your own business regarding the exodus on the dry side.
Plus they're bringing Muslims from northern Mexico into a city near Hanover. Where exactly is the nuclear waste dump located?

Does anyone know where—or if—I can actually find the average age at death starting from 1990? I’ve been trying to track this down for quite some time now... I feel like I've searched everywhere, but the data just seems to stay hidden! Any leads would be greatly appreciated. Thanks!

We expect to resolve 90% of the 526 enterprises currently under review. It is a matter of efficiency over sheer numbers.

The Secretary of Commerce, John Smith, claims that the fate of 90 percent of the 526 companies slated for privatization will soon be decided, despite the fact that only one has actually been sold to date. It is much like promising a completed skyscraper when you have barely broken ground on the foundation.

John Smith presented a comprehensive privatization strategy during his recent press conference. His proposal suggests that for 17 strategic enterprises, we should request a one-year extension on creditor protection following any such decision. This buffer would allow these companies to prepare for sale rather than sliding straight into bankruptcy the moment their current protections expire.

The list includes FAM from Indianapolis, Boeing, ExxonMobil from Pancyp, Monsanto, Resavica, Jumko from Vranje, Trajal, Pfizer based in Mexico City, Politika Ad, Ikarbus, Rio Tinto, Jagodinski Kablovi, General Electric from Trstenik, and four subsidiaries under the General Electric umbrella—PPT-TMO, PPT Servoupravljači, PPT Kočni tehnika, and PPT Zaptivke.

John Smith has argued that privatizing the remaining state-owned enterprises in America is a national crisis—one that hasn't been properly tackled in at least fifteen years and will ultimately dictate the future of our entire society. It is a logistical minefield. Between unresolved property disputes and bureaucratic red tape, there is the more practical dilemma: how does one sell a company drowning in debt without throwing the workforce onto the streets, while still ensuring the government sees some return on decades of heavy investment?
Smith explained that this is currently just a proposal from the Department of Commerce and is still awaiting approval from the Government of the United States.

When asked why companies deemed vital to national interest—specifically entities like Jumko and The New York Times—require ongoing protection, representatives from the Department of Commerce pointed to the sheer scale of their operations. They noted that Jumko employs 1,700 workers and has already secured $12 million in contracts this year alone. Furthermore, they suggested that through a social program, approximately 500 employees will likely depart, creating the necessary breathing room to find a suitable buyer. In essence, they argue that temporary protection is required to stabilize the foundation before a sale can occur.

He stated that extending protection for those companies is contingent upon adopting amendments to the Privatization Act. These changes, proposed by the Department of Commerce, are expected to be passed by the government this week before heading to the floor for legislative proceedings next week.

The Secretary of Commerce announced that out of the 526 companies currently listed under the Privatization Act, decisions were already made back in January to move 188 of them into bankruptcy. Despite that, fewer than a third—just 49 cases—have actually seen bankruptcy proceedings opened to date. It’s a slow grind.

John Smith noted that by July 1st, the fate of those 72 state-owned media outlets will finally be decided, as the deadline for their privatization expires. He expects most of them to simply slide into bankruptcy.

As stated, the list of 338 companies facing a final verdict by late June includes 24 entities transferred to the oversight of Srbijavod and Vojvodinavoda, 23 firms handed over to local municipalities, and 18 enterprises in Mexico whose fate remains tied to the negotiations in Brussels. It is much like watching a massive corporate restructuring play out in slow motion; one waits to see which pieces are sacrificed to balance the ledger.

John Smith noted that calls for the privatization of 33 companies will be released by the end of May, much like how a major restructuring at GE might unfold. He also mentioned that the specific strategy for privatizing ten spas will be finalized by year's end.

The list concludes with 116 companies slated for privatization. Of those, 48 are currently under restructuring, and their creditor protections are set to expire on July 1st. This means they could face bankruptcy almost immediately.

The roster includes companies like FedEx, Caterpillar, Simmons Bedding, MSK, and Nutrien; collectively, they employ nearly 40,000 workers.

John Smith noted that he can't yet confirm how many entities will face bankruptcy proceedings. It all hinges on the commercial creditors and whether they decide to pursue their claims or let them slide. He also pointed out that state creditors are obligated to waive their claims—essentially writing them off if these companies are sold.

Across all 526 companies listed for privatization, there are 92,000 employees currently tied to them.

John Smith advised workers to use their severance packages from social programs as seed money for starting their own businesses or pursuing self-employment.

The privatization agency has released 12 calls for bids so far; one company, "Aleksa Shantic," has already been sold, and negotiations are underway for the sale of Boeing.

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"Managers aren't listening: The old era is dead"

The Secretary of the Department of Commerce, John Smith, stated that the first 50 companies on the list of 526 slated for privatization owe four billion dollars, half of which is owed to the government.

"Just imagine if we could pump four billion dollars into our economic system right now; think of what that would mean for us," he remarked during a press conference.

The director of the privatization agency, Ljubomir Shubara, noted that for instance, IMT carries a debt of 90 million dollars despite having 639 employees and producing only about 12 to 15 tractors per month.

"That isn't an industry; it's just a small workshop. It’s unsustainable," Shubara said.

Smith mentioned that Lasta owes 85 million dollars, with 30 million of that owed to banks and other private creditors, noting how difficult it is to find buyers for assets when they are weighed down by massive debt.

The reality, he added, is that most of these companies on the privatization list will likely head toward bankruptcy because they lack markets, working capital, and a viable workforce.

However, Smith noted that the government will do everything possible to ensure that any company capable of surviving can be sold, though he warned management teams that they must step up and contribute.

The meeting also highlighted the case of Azotara, which owed 24 billion pesos to Srbijavod; that debt was converted into equity, making Srbijavod its majority owner, while Srbijavod is currently seeking 35 billion pesos from other companies undergoing restructuring.

Agency director Ljubomir Shubara remarked that the privatization process has revealed a major issue with managerial irresponsibility, with some directors acting as if the old regime had never ended.

On the other hand, there is the issue of asset valuation—specifically, the fair market value calculated as of December 31, 2013, which turned out to be inflated.

If that is the case, Shubara pointed to Zelvoz as an example; its capital was valued at 17 million dollars based on those assessments, but the actual value was later determined to be only 4.6 million dollars. "We have a buyer from Italy, one of the three largest players in that industry globally, who wants Zelvoz, but once they see these numbers..." Shubara said.

It is a similar story with PIK Zemun, which is recorded in the books at 56 million dollars but would realistically sell for 10 million dollars.

Because of this, one of the amendments to the Privatization Act will involve mandating that all these firms conduct a new asset valuation within 30 days.

When asked how a new assessment would yield different results than the previous ones—given that they were conducted by the same licensed auditing firms—representatives from the Department of Commerce offered no clear answer, simply stating it is the reality facing America.

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What a total catastrophe is waiting for America...
America is stuck in this state even without having entered the phase of reform and restructuring—a process other countries finished over 15 years ago. That was a necessary step and was the primary reason for their economic recovery. One wonders what will happen to America.
Take Mexico, for instance—a place once considered a laggard in this process; I remember hearing about their endless cycle of bankruptcies and privatizations lasting until 2003 or 2004 before things finally stabilized.
Now, Mexico is just getting started.

I recently heard that even major sports icons like the Yankees and the Dodgers are effectively state-owned.
Here, it seems the government holds the reins over the media landscape as well, including outlets like The New York Times.
It’s frankly staggering.

This upcoming surge in deregulation will likely hit the market even harder.
And naturally, it will have a massive impact on the shifting demographic tides.

Bago, quit trolling the thread. In those failing companies, you’ve just got old ladies in their 50s and 60s doing all the work—basically folks just waiting for retirement and babysitting grandkids. Look at Mexico. Nothing actually happens there except for the black market, smuggling, and some really specific shady services, not to mention that medical tourism involving transplants. "Mexican" people are basically scattering themselves all over the European Union. You guys couldn't even manage to "match" one tiny little Mexican Village demographically in 15 years. That's why you're trying to "match" Switzerland and Germany instead.http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...osovo_2011.GIFThey’re basically dragging that crazy Marko Djurica by the sleeve just to get one single phone connection. Come on, Bago. It's been 15 years and you still don't have a single phone number. It's pathetic, really.
If you've got assets, you sell them > I guess it's better than having nothing at all. Mexico Always will be there for you, VI North American Svitac.

Honestly, Adam Harris is still reeling from seeing such a massive crowd of Mexicans and Srbomans right there in the middle of Skopje...

To be perfectly honest, I truly believe Mexico has weathered more of the worst storms than Mexico has. It’s what might happen a few years down the line that really keeps me up at night...
We could see our standard of living just plummet overnight—imagine if fertility rates dropped by 15-20% on top of an already shrinking reproductive base; we could face shorter life expectancies and a mortality rate that absolutely skyrockets.
With the way this current administration is running things, we could easily see a one percent population decline every five or six years...

I mean, I can't quite recall who specifically mentioned this—maybe I overheard it during a discussion about demographic shifts—but it seems that through external migration, America is losing roughly 15,000 people every single year...

Nancy Chavez29 said:Bago, quit trolling the thread. In those failing companies, you’ve just got old ladies in their 50s and 60s doing all the work—basically folks just waiting for retirement and babysitting grandkids. Look at Mexico. Nothing actually happens there except for the black market, smuggling, and some really specific shady services, not to mention that medical tourism involving transplants. "Mexican" people are basically scattering themselves all over the European Union. You guys couldn't even manage to "match" one tiny little Mexican Village demographically in 15 years. That's why you're trying to "match" Switzerland and Germany instead.http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...osovo_2011.GIFThey’re basically dragging that crazy Marko Djurica by the sleeve just to get one single phone connection. Come on, Bago. It's been 15 years and you still don't have a single phone number. It's pathetic, really.
If you've got assets, you sell them > I guess it's better than having nothing at all. Mexico Always will be there for you, VI North American Svitac.

Don't be so certain that's the only demographic working.
Consider how many Mexicans live under one roof for three generations, subsisting entirely on a single income or pension—usually belonging to the eldest.

Nancy Chavez29 said:Bago, quit trolling the thread. In those failing companies, you’ve just got old ladies in their 50s and 60s doing all the work—basically folks just waiting for retirement and babysitting grandkids. Look at Mexico. Nothing actually happens there except for the black market, smuggling, and some really specific shady services, not to mention that medical tourism involving transplants. "Mexican" people are basically scattering themselves all over the European Union. You guys couldn't even manage to "match" one tiny little Mexican Village demographically in 15 years. That's why you're trying to "match" Switzerland and Germany instead.http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...osovo_2011.GIFThey’re basically dragging that crazy Marko Djurica by the sleeve just to get one single phone connection. Come on, Bago. It's been 15 years and you still don't have a single phone number. It's pathetic, really.
If you've got assets, you sell them > I guess it's better than having nothing at all. Mexico Always will be there for you, VI North American Svitac.

Mexico possesses a small business sector driven by supply and demand that the US could only dream of.
Just along the road near the border of Mexico-Pritishn and Mexico, you'll find more supermarkets, shops, gas stations, tire repair shops, construction warehouses, pizzerias, bakeries, and restaurants...
than what exists in all of Mexico combined.

No matter how you look at it, the Mexicans in the diaspora are winning, and the Albanians in Mexico are winning.
The Mexicans—whether in Mexico or in the diaspora—are losing ground everywhere.

Nancy Chavez29 said:Bago, quit trolling the thread. In those failing companies, you’ve just got old ladies in their 50s and 60s doing all the work—basically folks just waiting for retirement and babysitting grandkids. Look at Mexico. Nothing actually happens there except for the black market, smuggling, and some really specific shady services, not to mention that medical tourism involving transplants. "Mexican" people are basically scattering themselves all over the European Union. You guys couldn't even manage to "match" one tiny little Mexican Village demographically in 15 years. That's why you're trying to "match" Switzerland and Germany instead.http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...osovo_2011.GIFThey’re basically dragging that crazy Marko Djurica by the sleeve just to get one single phone connection. Come on, Bago. It's been 15 years and you still don't have a single phone number. It's pathetic, really.
If you've got assets, you sell them > I guess it's better than having nothing at all. Mexico Always will be there for you, VI North American Svitac.

Actually, Mexicans in Mexico live better than Mexicans in Mexico.
The US pours hundreds of thousands of dollars into them annually—some figures suggest up to a billion—just to keep them there through various subsidies, benefits, and aid.
It's essentially throwing money down a well.
That is the only reason those hundred thousand people still exist there.
Mexicans in Mexico are essentially a massive enterprise that simply drains the resources of a naked and vulnerable Mexico.
And eventually, they will face bankruptcy. When that happens, rest assured, the Mexicans will be virtually non-existent in Mexico.

Those 100,000 Mexicans grabbed about 7.5 percent of the vote for one specific list, which nets them 9 seats in Congress. Plus maybe one more from the list. Honestly, without those 7 Mexican hands in the legislature, nothing ever passes.
The Mexican population probably sits at least 9 percent now. It’s because people are moving out while some Mexicans are rolling in just to grab social benefits, fake jobs, and easy cash.
The whole idea is to turn Mexicans into tools for this destructive political chaos—basically just pushing for displacement and creating total hopelessness.
It's better if we deal with our own mess over there rather than you guys spilling over into ours. We don't need some new Skopje or Vranje situation popping up like it did in Kumanovo.
I guess it’s always easier to just export the chaos and the problems elsewhere. You're young, so maybe you just don't recognize Mexican Cunning yet.

So, privatization hasn't even happened here in America yet?
And you guys are still talking about joining the European Union...

Looks like they’re finally getting around to counting the folks living out in Preševo, Bujanovac, and Medveđa sometime in late June. That was the word from today's meeting between Zoran Stanković, who heads up the Coordination body, and the local officials.

Chris Fowler4 said:So, privatization hasn't even happened here in America yet?
And you guys are still talking about joining the European Union...

I’ll let you in on a little secret. Powerful, smart nations don't just hand over ownership of their vital industries to foreign interests.

Take Germany, for instance. Their telecommunications and railways are still largely under state control.

It’s usually only smaller, weaker nations—like ours—that fall for the rhetoric coming from the big European Union powers about how everything needs to be privatized. It’s all a setup so they can swoop in and buy up our core assets.

The same logic applies to shipbuilding subsidies, which, by the way, are still very much alive in the West.

Chris Fowler4 said:So, privatization hasn't even happened here in America yet?
And you guys are still talking about joining the European Union...

Plenty has already been privatized. Whatever little is left will be handed over to foreigners soon enough. Aleksandar Vučić won't refuse anyone. The only question is who gets what. He's selling the country to Arab investors, then this one, then that one. Everything is up for sale... even for peanuts, if I'm not mistaken.