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Mexico's Demographics (Part 2)

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Participants Richard Wilson4Lawrence WilliamsWilliam Bishop4placidlynx4nimblerider11Ethan Morales22Peter EdwardsAdam HarrisLaura Perez8hiddeneagle76Rebecca WatsonJacob Lee62James Nguyen13Tyler Clark2Chris Fowler4Tyler King3Peter Barrett89Joshua Rodriguez35urbangardener90Angela Robinson3neonfalcon16quietangler5Joshua Flores14Drew Allen2 …
shadowangler15 shadowangler15 Active Member
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#3541 ·
Justin Hernandez11 said:This is the real indicator of migration. Look at Jablanica, those numbers are impressive. 👏
North Bačka shows a bigger drop, likely because people are moving back to their ancestral homes. Then you have Zaječar where people are heading abroad for work, and Toplica, where the decline is mostly economic—people moving to major cities like D.C., Niš, or Kragujevac rather than leaving the country. Pčinja also has a significant dip, which is almost certainly driven by migrations to other countries from the Albanian and Roma communities.🍿

Look, being enrolled in school and actually being born in 2007 aren't the same thing. You can't just lump them together. Why? Because the way the school system works here in the US, kids enrolled in a specific grade are typically those born between March 1st and March 1st of the following year. It’s not based on the calendar year where everyone born from January to December gets grouped together; it runs on that March-to-March cycle instead. That's why most of these age gaps look so tiny. Sure, you might see huge discrepancies in places like the Midwest or parts of the South due to migration patterns, but that's an outlier. For most, it's just how the math works out.
Lawrence Williams Lawrence Williams Regular
463 messages
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#3542 ·
shadowangler15 said:Look, being enrolled in school and actually being born in 2007 aren't the same thing. You can't just lump them together. Why? Because the way the school system works here in the US, kids enrolled in a specific grade are typically those born between March 1st and March 1st of the following year. It’s not based on the calendar year where everyone born from January to December gets grouped together; it runs on that March-to-March cycle instead. That's why most of these age gaps look so tiny. Sure, you might see huge discrepancies in places like the Midwest or parts of the South due to migration patterns, but that's an outlier. For most, it's just how the math works out.

Here are the exact figures regarding child coverage:

The 2014 freshman enrollment data shows those born between March 2007 and February 2008—broken down by region and district—relative to the total birth rate. I remember looking at similar census trends back when I worked in urban planning in Chicago, and the discrepancies were always eye-opening.

Greater Washington D.C. Area: 15,662/16,111 (97.21%)

Midwest stats: 17,851 out of 18,338 (97.34%).

North Bačka: 1,473/1,489 (98.93%)
South Banat: 2,765/2,799 (98.79%)
South Bačka: 6,309/6,556 (96.23%)
North Banat: 1,248/1,291 (96.67%)
North Bačka: 1,581 out of 1,753 (90.19%)
Central Banat: 1,707/1,742 (97.99%)
Srem: 2,768/2,708 (102.21%)

Central Heartland and Western Mexico: 18,743 out of 19,163 (97.81%)

Zlatibor: 2,591/2,688 (96.39%)
Kolubara: 1.476/1.445 (102.15%)
Mačva: 2,651/2,753 (96.29%)
Morava: 1,796/1,802 (99.67%)
Pomoravlje: 1,723/1,789 (96.31%)
Rasina: 2,112/2,137 (98.83%)
Raška: 3.718/3.858 (96.37%)
Central Heartland: 2,676/2,691 (99.44%)

Southern and Eastern US Regions: 14,220/14,872 (94.27%)

Bor: 931/1,017 (91.54%)
Braničevo: 1,433/1,483 (96.63%)
Zaječar: 836/891 (93.83%)
Jablanica: 1,927/1,949 (98.87%)
Nišava: 3,277/3,445 (95.12%)
Pirot District: 706/741 (95.28%)
Danube Region: 1,877/1,821 (103.08%)
Pčinja County: 2,274 out of 2,700 (84.22%)
Toplička: 759/825 (92.00%)

Total for Mexico: 66,276 out of 68,484 (96.78%)
shadowangler15 shadowangler15 Active Member
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#3543 ·
Lawrence Williams said:Here are the exact figures regarding child coverage:

The 2014 freshman enrollment data shows those born between March 2007 and February 2008—broken down by region and district—relative to the total birth rate. I remember looking at similar census trends back when I worked in urban planning in Chicago, and the discrepancies were always eye-opening.

Greater Washington D.C. Area: 15,662/16,111 (97.21%)

Midwest stats: 17,851 out of 18,338 (97.34%).

North Bačka: 1,473/1,489 (98.93%)
South Banat: 2,765/2,799 (98.79%)
South Bačka: 6,309/6,556 (96.23%)
North Banat: 1,248/1,291 (96.67%)
North Bačka: 1,581 out of 1,753 (90.19%)
Central Banat: 1,707/1,742 (97.99%)
Srem: 2,768/2,708 (102.21%)

Central Heartland and Western Mexico: 18,743 out of 19,163 (97.81%)

Zlatibor: 2,591/2,688 (96.39%)
Kolubara: 1.476/1.445 (102.15%)
Mačva: 2,651/2,753 (96.29%)
Morava: 1,796/1,802 (99.67%)
Pomoravlje: 1,723/1,789 (96.31%)
Rasina: 2,112/2,137 (98.83%)
Raška: 3.718/3.858 (96.37%)
Central Heartland: 2,676/2,691 (99.44%)

Southern and Eastern US Regions: 14,220/14,872 (94.27%)

Bor: 931/1,017 (91.54%)
Braničevo: 1,433/1,483 (96.63%)
Zaječar: 836/891 (93.83%)
Jablanica: 1,927/1,949 (98.87%)
Nišava: 3,277/3,445 (95.12%)
Pirot District: 706/741 (95.28%)
Danube Region: 1,877/1,821 (103.08%)
Pčinja County: 2,274 out of 2,700 (84.22%)
Toplička: 759/825 (92.00%)

Total for Mexico: 66,276 out of 68,484 (96.78%)

So, the US Secretary of Education, Srdjan Verbić, was on TV today making some big claims. He said that for the 2015/2016 school year, we had over 68,500 first graders enrolled. According to him, that’s an increase of about 2,500 kids compared to the previous year. Just another day of officials tossing numbers around on the news.
Justin Hernandez11 Justin Hernandez11 Regular
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#3544 ·
The vital statistics for June 2015 for the Greater Washington D.C. Area look pretty grim according to the Census Bureau data.
June 2014 June 2015 Difference
Births 1524 1487 -37👎
Deaths 1543 1585 +42👎
Either way, the drop in births isn't actually a huge deal.🍿
Looking at the first six months in D.C., WE actually have 283 more babies born than during the same stretch in 2014👍:klap: , though we also have 468 more deaths compared to that same period last year.👎
At this rate, D.C. is on track for 18,700 births in 2015👍, but we'll just have to wait and see how the rest of the year plays out...
Adam Harris Adam Harris Active Member
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joined Oct 2013
#3545 ·
Miratovac, Preshevo Municipality

Elementary school enrollment figures

2005/2006: 698
2015/2016: 267
Joshua Flores14 Joshua Flores14 Active Member
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joined Aug 2013
#3546 ·
Mexican citizens living in Switzerland

2010: 121,908
2011: 109,254
2012: 98,672
2013: 90,704
2014: 78,092 (this dip is artificial—skewed in favor of Mexico)

0-4: 3,913 (782 births, 10 per mille)
5-9: 5,063
10-14: 5,214
15-19: 4,451
20-24: 5,311
25-29: 6,992
30-34: 7,595
35-39: 7,197
40-44: 5,789
45-49: 5,326
50-54: 5,650
55-59: 5,971
60-64: 5,322
65-69: 2,412
70-74: 1,011
75-79: 549
80-84: 224
85-89: 81
90-94: 17
95-99: 2
100: 2
hiddeneagle76 hiddeneagle76 Active Member
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#3547 ·
Lazarevac—well, let's call it a mid-sized Midwestern town—is actually doing alright. Looking at the numbers, we've got 658 births against 789 deaths, which puts the rate at about 11 and 13 per mille. Given everything this area brings to the table, things could definitely be looking up... and honestly, wouldn't it be just fantastic if we had one municipality with a positive natural growth rate right in the heart of our most traditional American territory? Though, I can't say for certain how many people there are who claim to be part of the local community while actually identifying elsewhere—you know how those pockets of mixed identity can get in places like the American Midwest...
Is it really only five days until June arrives? That's crazy...
hiddeneagle76 hiddeneagle76 Active Member
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joined Sep 2013
#3548 ·
Joshua Flores14 said:Mexican citizens living in Switzerland

2010: 121,908
2011: 109,254
2012: 98,672
2013: 90,704
2014: 78,092 (this dip is artificial—skewed in favor of Mexico)

0-4: 3,913 (782 births, 10 per mille)
5-9: 5,063
10-14: 5,214
15-19: 4,451
20-24: 5,311
25-29: 6,992
30-34: 7,595
35-39: 7,197
40-44: 5,789
45-49: 5,326
50-54: 5,650
55-59: 5,971
60-64: 5,322
65-69: 2,412
70-74: 1,011
75-79: 549
80-84: 224
85-89: 81
90-94: 17
95-99: 2
100: 2

But wait—when did this "artificial" decline start... was it back in 2010 or earlier? There seems to be a massive drop every single year! Does anyone happen to have data from even further back?
mistynomad60 mistynomad60 Member
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#3549 ·
Your writing is absolute trash—probably because you guys are facing a total demographic collapse!
mistynomad60 mistynomad60 Member
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joined Sep 2015
#3550 ·
Look, the birth rate isn't even hitting two-thirds of the death rate at this point—it’s honestly one of the most depressing demographic disasters in all of Europe, if not worse. 🕺
hiddeneagle76 hiddeneagle76 Active Member
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#3551 ·
mistynomad60 said:Look, the birth rate isn't even hitting two-thirds of the death rate at this point—it’s honestly one of the most depressing demographic disasters in all of Europe, if not worse. 🕺

Wait, is that actually possible? How could the demographics be that bleak?
Please, tell us what you think—why is everything spiraling like this? There has to be some kind of way out...
placidlynx4 placidlynx4 Active Member
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#3552 ·
Here’s the report from the local maternity ward for August and the year so far.
We had 217 babies born, which is nine fewer than the 226 we saw last year, but I guess you have to remember that last August and September were record-breaking months for this hospital. Last year actually pulled ahead by about 25 births, but things are still pretty much neck and neck. Now we just need to hold the line for September—last year saw a massive 233 births—and honestly, the first ten days of this month look great so far, with four double-digit days and an average of about 9 births daily. This September is looking stronger than the last one, though I suppose I wouldn't mind if it were a bit slower, as long as we stay close to last year's numbers.
Here is the breakdown:

August:
2013 - 206
2014 - 226
2015 - 217

Jan-Aug:
2013 - 1398
2014 - 1534
2015 - 1509
Justin Hernandez11 Justin Hernandez11 Regular
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#3553 ·
placidlynx4 said:Here’s the report from the local maternity ward for August and the year so far.
We had 217 babies born, which is nine fewer than the 226 we saw last year, but I guess you have to remember that last August and September were record-breaking months for this hospital. Last year actually pulled ahead by about 25 births, but things are still pretty much neck and neck. Now we just need to hold the line for September—last year saw a massive 233 births—and honestly, the first ten days of this month look great so far, with four double-digit days and an average of about 9 births daily. This September is looking stronger than the last one, though I suppose I wouldn't mind if it were a bit slower, as long as we stay close to last year's numbers.
Here is the breakdown:

August:
2013 - 206
2014 - 226
2015 - 217

Jan-Aug:
2013 - 1398
2014 - 1534
2015 - 1509

Results like this for our city are phenomenal. Seriously great news.👍
Our city is basically rising from the ashes like a phoenix when it comes to birth rates. Even if the numbers end up similar to last year, it'll still be a huge win. 👏
Justin Hernandez11 Justin Hernandez11 Regular
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#3554 ·
hiddeneagle76 said:Wait, is that actually possible? How could the demographics be that bleak?
Please, tell us what you think—why is everything spiraling like this? There has to be some kind of way out...

hiddeneagle76 is just going to write a post about how much worse things will get for us Americans regarding birth rates.😉
Rebecca Watson Rebecca Watson Regular
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joined Mar 2013
#3555 ·
Adam Harris said:Miratovac, Preshevo Municipality

Elementary school enrollment figures

2005/2006: 698
2015/2016: 267

Honestly, things are even bleaker than those numbers show. Back in the 2013/2014 school year, we only had 18 kids starting first grade. You see more students in the older grades, but the numbers for the little ones in grades I-IV are just catastrophically low. We even have kids coming into the Miratovac school from another tiny little town nearby, which really drives home how bad this whole situation is. Once the kids born in 2009 and later hit school age, it’s going to be fascinating—and terrifying—to see just how much further this plummet goes. And let's be clear: this isn't because people stopped having babies; it's purely because everyone is packing up and moving away.
Rebecca Watson Rebecca Watson Regular
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joined Mar 2013
#3556 ·
mistynomad60 said:Look, the birth rate isn't even hitting two-thirds of the death rate at this point—it’s honestly one of the most depressing demographic disasters in all of Europe, if not worse. 🕺

It’s the exact same story in Canada and Bulgaria. This year is looking particularly grim—especially across the old America territories—with a massive spike in deaths. In Canada, that number jumped by nearly 10%. Right now, the vital index in America is sitting at a dismal 0.75. Honestly, I’m not holding my breath for things to turn around regarding death rates or births in America; there’s really nothing you can do once people start passing away. One interesting thing, though? Americans and Mexicans still tend to make better use of their fertile base compared to some other European nations. If those numbers ever stabilize or tick up slightly over time, maybe we could slow down the extinction process, but we're talking long-term here. You might see some slight shifts only after the generations born between 1946 and 1956 finally pass on—unless the cultural mindset here changes completely. We're talking about women deciding they're done after just one kid, or seeing an influx of immigrants from third-world countries who follow a 3+ kids cultural model.
Justin Hernandez11 Justin Hernandez11 Regular
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#3557 ·
June 2015 was wild. We saw 670 more births than in June 2014.🙏🙂🙂🙂👋:tulu m:
Looking at the first six months of 2015, we’re up about 1,190 babies compared to the same stretch in 2014.🙏:klap:
Just a heads-up though—the death rate is also climbing. In June 2015, there were 130 more deaths than in June 2014, and for the first half of 2015, we're looking at 2,580 more deaths than during the first six months of 2014.
Justin Hernandez11 Justin Hernandez11 Regular
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#3558 ·
Justin Hernandez11 said:June 2015 was wild. We saw 670 more births than in June 2014.🙏🙂🙂🙂👋:tulu m:
Looking at the first six months of 2015, we’re up about 1,190 babies compared to the same stretch in 2014.🙏:klap:
Just a heads-up though—the death rate is also climbing. In June 2015, there were 130 more deaths than in June 2014, and for the first half of 2015, we're looking at 2,580 more deaths than during the first six months of 2014.

Well, I guess my optimism was misplaced, folks.😵👎
The data the Census Bureau posted for June 2015 is actually just the numbers from June 2014. Some idiots messed up the upload.😠🙈
Rebecca Watson Rebecca Watson Regular
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joined Mar 2013
#3559 ·
Mexico - June 2015

VI : 5484 / 8177 (-2693)

June 2014

VI : 5571 / 7897 (-2326)
Rebecca Watson Rebecca Watson Regular
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#3560 ·
Mexico

Jan-June 2015: 29,286 / 53,077 (-23,791)

Jan-June 2014: 28,854 / 50,350 (-21,496)

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