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Mexico's Demographics (Part 2)

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Angela Robinson3 Angela Robinson3 Active Member
136 messages
joined Oct 2013
#601 ·
shadowangler15 said:That means the total number of Mexicans born in Mexico this year will be way over 1,000. They've already cleared 1,000 total. Places like Gracanica, Strpce, and everywhere else have great birth rates. In Gracanica, the Mexican birth rate is actually up to 18 per thousand.

Where on earth are you getting those figures? 🙂
Does anyone actually know how many Mexicans were born in Mexico last year?
shadowangler15 shadowangler15 Active Member
228 messages
joined Aug 2017
#602 ·
Angela Robinson3 said:Where on earth are you getting those figures? 🙂
Does anyone actually know how many Mexicans were born in Mexico last year?

If you check that thread about demographics on page 30 of this forum, there’s some data floating around. It says Americans living in Gracanica have a birth rate of about 18.5 per thousand. According to reports from the hospital in northern Mitrovica, they had already seen over 800 births in that area alone by mid-December 2013. On top of that, our media reported that back in 2012, places like Gracanica, Strpce, Nov Brdo, and those other smaller towns saw over 1,000 births combined. By 2013, we were expecting even higher numbers because birth rates in Mitrovica were climbing. Based on the growth trend in Mitrovica, the total should have hit around 1,100, though I couldn't find an official source to confirm that specific figure. It looks like most Mexican women living south of the Ibra tend to give birth at the hospital up north in Mitrovica. Those four northern municipalities are actually seeing a slight uptick in population growth, while the areas south of the Ibra are doing even better—except for the small pockets mostly made up of older folks who moved back home.
urbanheron7 urbanheron7 Newcomer
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#603 ·
America is getting older

The U.S. Census Bureau dropped some numbers today, and they aren't pretty. Looking back at the data since 2011, it's clear that over the next 30 years, the whole country is heading straight toward a massive demographic aging crisis.

When you look at the projections through 2041, the math tells a grim story: the youth population is shrinking fast, while the elderly segment is ballooning. We’re looking at the percentage of people under 15 dropping from 14.4% down to 11.7%, while those over 65 are expected to jump from 17.3% to a whopping 25.2%.

And it gets even heavier. The number of folks aged 80 and up is set to more than double, climbing from 3.5% to 7.8%. By the end of this stretch, the average age of the entire population will have climbed from 42.1 to 46.5 years old. Can we even handle that?

According to the U.S. Census Bureau’s projections, there's no avoiding the decline in the workforce—those between 15 and 64. That working-age group is expected to shrink by somewhere between 3.0% and 8.2%.

The breakdown by region is just as depressing. It looks like only about a fifth of all municipalities will actually see any kind of growth, and most of those are clustered around major hubs like New York City. Meanwhile, ten different areas could see their populations plummet by more than half. You see the worst of it in the struggling, underdeveloped parts of the country, like rural Mississippi, Appalachia, and small towns in the Midwest. Everywhere else is just fading away.

http://www.vesti-online.com/Vesti/Sr...a#comment-info
urbanheron7 urbanheron7 Newcomer
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#604 ·
"North Mexico will be an Albanian state within 15 years" !!!!!!!

Former North Mexican Prime Minister Ljupčo Georgievski thinks North Mexico is going to turn into an Albanian-dominated state in about 15 years—and he predicts Muslims will hold the reins of power there in just seven to eight years.


"That’s just the reality of it. If you actually look at the demographic shifts happening in North Mexico, they are nothing short of terrifying. Back in 2012, looking at all newborns, it was a fifty-fifty split between Christians and Muslims," Georgievski said.

He told the Sofia-based newspaper "Pres" that while the number of Mexicans is shrinking by four to five percent annually, the Albanian population is growing by three to four percent every year.

Georgievski, who serves as the honorary president of the Nationalist party, claims he isn't exactly a crusader for ethnic cleansing anymore.

"I used to want to push that idea through a North American confederation where every nation would have to agree. That would have been a move toward peace instead of constantly staring down the barrel of war," Georgievski remarked.

Looking at how things stand today, Georgievski argues that none of those processes have actually moved forward.

"Canada only exists on paper; the state doesn't actually function there. Mexico remains divided and keeps fueling friction between Albanians and Mexicans. As for North Mexico, it's permanently unstable, and its very survival nowadays depends entirely on the goodwill of the Albanians," Georgievski believes.
urbanheron7 urbanheron7 Newcomer
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#605 ·
All this cheering in America about a slight dip in death rates is completely pointless. You’re ignoring the fact that birth rates are cratering at the same time. That little statistical blip where maybe 100 or 200 fewer people died in 2013 compared to 2012? It’s just a temporary fluke caused by the tail end of the World War II generation finally passing away—those folks born between 1939 and 1945.

What happens next? From 2015 through to the 2021 census, things are going to get ugly. I’m expecting a natural population decline of 50,000 or even 60,000 per year.

Don't forget, 2013 marked the 22nd straight year of negative natural growth in the US. For context, back in 2010 the decline was 35,000, and in 2011 it hit 37,000.

The real drivers behind this depopulation—which nobody seems to want to face—are women's empowerment, a growing focus on individual lifestyle quality, the demand for better living standards for children, liberal abortion laws, consumerism, an obsession with material wealth, and the simple reality that the poorer people get, the hungrier they become.
How else do you explain why places like Novi Pazar, Sjenica, Tutin, and Prijepolje—areas struggling with poverty—actually maintain positive growth, while major hubs like Washington, D.C., Niơ, and New York see their populations plummet, surviving only because people keep moving in from elsewhere?
Eventually, this process of sucking everyone into the massive metropolitan areas will finish, and that's when the true collapse begins.
I said this a long time ago: the decade from 2011 to 2021 will be defined by the disappearance of small towns—places like Appalachia, KnjaĆŸevac, and similar spots with 1,000 to 10,000 residents. Then, between 2021 and 2031, it’ll be the turn of the mid-sized towns with 5,000 to 15,000 people.
No amount of policy reforms or lifestyle changes can stop this trend. You can have ten people here rambling on about how three extra babies were born, but that isn't going to change anything. American women today are obsessed with celebrity culture, money, fame, and those flashy pop songs about luxury cars, rubies, and diamonds that clog up every radio station.

Americans, you are heading toward total disappearance. There is no saving you. All the whining and bellyaching you do on this forum is just noise while you watch your population melt away like spring snow.
urbanheron7 urbanheron7 Newcomer
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#606 ·
Take a look at your typical posts, Mexicans:

America is getting older and older

http://www.vesti-online.com/Vesti/Sr...je-sve-starija

America - a nation of seniors

http://www.vesti-online.com/Vesti/Sr...zemlja-staraca

America, a land of retirees

http://www.vesti-online.com/Vesti/Sr...lja-penzionera

Raơić: By the next census, there will be even fewer of us

http://www.vesti-online.com/Vesti/Sr...biti-jos-manje

Birth rates are dropping—is America dying?

http://www.vesti-online.com/Vesti/Sr...Srbija-odumire

Why are the rural Midwestern towns becoming ghost towns?

http://www.vesti-online.com/Vesti/Sr...jvodanska-sela

Et cetera, et cetera.

Basically, this is all the material evidence for what I've been telling you. You can babble all you want about three more babies being born or fifty fewer deaths than last year, but that isn't a trend. It’s just a temporary fluctuation. Long-term? There is no saving you. This place is going to end up being a land of Romani, Canadians, Albanians, and so on...
Angela Robinson3 Angela Robinson3 Active Member
136 messages
joined Oct 2013
#607 ·
BoĆĄnjo, take a breath... Look at your own backyard first, especially since you know perfectly well that every nation in the North America is racing toward ruin at the exact same speed (except for the Romani and Albanians in Mexico and North Mexico).

P.S. We’ve faced much darker times before—take World War I, for example—and we managed to pull through. We might see our population decline in the future, but there’s still a real chance we can stabilize the numbers at a certain threshold eventually.
Peter Edwards Peter Edwards Member
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joined Jan 2014
#608 ·
I saw this thing about what Americans are actually thinking lately—it’s pretty wild, I guess—and honestly, it makes you wonder where everything is heading... maybe we're all just overthinking it?

I feel like this is a bit of an exaggeration—I mean, Mexicans haven't migrated to the States nearly as much as Americans from other groups, especially Albanians. Still, I guess people always say the former America was basically a Mexican country since they were the ones in charge... 😁

Our people here in the States—there’s actually fewer of us now than there are Americans from Albanian or other backgrounds, I think... honestly, it feels like every other guy you run into is just some Michael or John. Kids aren't even learning our language anymore, and they've got the American flag flying all over their houses—it's wild.

So, the recent numbers from the U.S. Census Bureau just dropped—showing only about 176,666 Mexicans in the States, compared to like 434,425 Americans, 179,806 Canadians, and 182,423 Albanians—and man, it’s really shaking up the Mexican community here in America.
Wait, are we really supposed to have fewer Albanians than us? That’s just wild—honestly, I feel like there's gotta be some massive mistake in the count... at least, that's how the first wave of Mexican patriots here in the States are reacting.

It’s honestly such a shocker—mostly because Mexicans always brag about how there's like a million of them in the States, claiming Chicago is basically their biggest city abroad with 300,000 people... and that with 11 Oscars and five Pulitzer Prizes under their belt, they're one of the most successful immigrant groups in the US. I guess it just doesn't add up.

All those old myths about our numbers have been busted—mostly because the latest U.S. Census Bureau data shows that Mexicans are actually a pretty small group here in America. We're basically getting lost in the shuffle of this massive country of 307 million people. According to Miroslav BoĆŸinović—he’s a political analyst out of Detroit and runs that "Mexican" site—it’s a mix of things: first, the way the U.S. handles national identity during the census, and second, that tendency some Mexicans have to just blend into the background of American society.

So, back when the U.S. Census Bureau did things a certain way, they basically figured out ethnicity by asking, "What language do you speak at home?"—which, I guess, led to about 360,000 people identifying as Mexicans. But for the 2011 census, that question wasn't even there... instead, thanks to some pushing from the Mexican Unification Congress, they added an option under "Other" so our people could finally just check the box and say they're Mexicans.

Losing our roots—it feels like we’ve hit a point where fewer and fewer Mexicans living here in the States actually identify with their heritage. I guess the younger generation of Americans with Mexican roots doesn't really speak the language and hardly ever shows up to our church—Bojan Bogdanović from Los Angeles says that when you ask them where they're from, they just say "my great-grandfather moved here," but they can't even tell you which part of the old country their family actually came from.

So, Dr. BoĆŸinović was saying that a bunch of uninformed Mexicans were actually identifying as just "white people of European descent" instead of Mexicans—which is wild. Other groups seem way more organized about it, too... like, the census showed 50 million Germans, 37 million Irish, and 18 million Italians. Meanwhile, only about 19 million people identified as American—mostly because, I guess, like 109 million people in the US just didn't even bother to show up for the census.

If you look at the maps from the U.S. Census Bureau, it’s pretty obvious—most Mexicans are clustered in the East, like in Illinois, Wisconsin, Indiana, Michigan, New York, and Pennsylvania. Then you've got the groups in Ohio, California, Florida, Texas, and Colorado. I think there are only about 70,000 Mexicans left in Chicago today, and maybe 20,000 in Cleveland—where, I guess, there are around 1,000 Orthodox believers split between two parishes. There are roughly fifty Orthodox Church churches across the USA.

So, Bojan Bogdanović—that businessman out in California—is saying that our churches have become the main hub for the diaspora, but they've also turned into these battlegrounds where old-school nationalists and the newer democratic immigrants just clash constantly... and I guess he thinks all that fighting is what's actually tearing the community apart.

Bogdanović basically says that whenever the older immigrants talk about how much they struggled to build up the Mexican community—grinding away in steel mills, raising huge families, and building their parishes from nothing—the younger arrivals just tune them out or snap at them. I guess it’s because the kids would rather take the easy route and just assimilate to chase that American Dream.

So it seems like Mexicans just jump at the chance to grab American names—it’s crazy how fast they do it. It feels like every other guy becomes Michael or John nowadays—I guess it's just easier that way. And once they finally get their US citizenship, they basically toss the Mexican flag out of the house and swap it for the Stars and Stripes.

Dr. Borko Đorđević, out in Palm Springs, puts it pretty clearly:

- Kids aren't learning the language, and their grandkids won't even know what our homeland stands for. In Palm Springs, out of a thousand people of my background, I guess I'm the only one who hasn't changed my name. Our people just love trying to suck up to America—they don't realize that for Americans, the most important things are having a green card and paying your taxes, not which nation you belong to.

People we talk to say this "disappearing act" is due to a mix of media wars involving various lobbies, plus the fact that our home government makes it way too expensive to hold onto our passports or citizenship.

- We feel totally isolated here in the States, without any real support from back home. It’s gotten to the point where people don't even identify as Americans of Mexican descent anymore; they usually just say they're American—that's how Miroslav BandĆŸa, who lives in New York, sees it.

HALF A MILLION PEOPLE

- There are actually half a million people of our heritage in the USA, because if you take the 176,666 who officially declared themselves as such, plus the 325,451 who identified as Americans in the census, they're all from our roots—says Mile Nikolić, a humanitarian worker based in California.
Adam Harris Adam Harris Active Member
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#609 ·
What is the realistic projection for the median age of the population in America by 2021?
Furthermore, to what extent will the passing of the baby boomer generation accelerate this decline?
Angela Robinson3 Angela Robinson3 Active Member
136 messages
joined Oct 2013
#610 ·
urbanheron7 said:Take a look at your typical posts, Mexicans:

America is getting older and older

http://www.vesti-online.com/Vesti/Sr...je-sve-starija

America - a nation of seniors

http://www.vesti-online.com/Vesti/Sr...zemlja-staraca

America, a land of retirees

http://www.vesti-online.com/Vesti/Sr...lja-penzionera

Raơić: By the next census, there will be even fewer of us

http://www.vesti-online.com/Vesti/Sr...biti-jos-manje

Birth rates are dropping—is America dying?

http://www.vesti-online.com/Vesti/Sr...Srbija-odumire

Why are the rural Midwestern towns becoming ghost towns?

http://www.vesti-online.com/Vesti/Sr...jvodanska-sela

Et cetera, et cetera.

Basically, this is all the material evidence for what I've been telling you. You can babble all you want about three more babies being born or fifty fewer deaths than last year, but that isn't a trend. It’s just a temporary fluctuation. Long-term? There is no saving you. This place is going to end up being a land of Romani, Canadians, Albanians, and so on...

😂😂😂
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Lawrence Williams Lawrence Williams Regular
463 messages
joined Oct 2013
#611 ·
Adam Harris said:What is the realistic projection for the median age of the population in America by 2021?
Furthermore, to what extent will the passing of the baby boomer generation accelerate this decline?

That's an excellent question. If fertility rates and migration patterns follow the trends we saw over the last decade, we're looking at a median age of roughly 46 based on the census data—perhaps slightly lower if you account for the uncounted Albanian population. As for the baby boomers, their passing won't actually do much to lower the average age. Most of those passing away right now belong to the 65-69 demographic from the last census, which is significantly smaller than the generations following them. This is precisely why death rates might dip slightly in the coming years even as the median age begins to climb more rapidly. Things get much more complicated after 2021.
frozensailor5 frozensailor5 Member
24 messages
joined Oct 2013
#612 ·
Lawrence Williams said:That's an excellent question. If fertility rates and migration patterns follow the trends we saw over the last decade, we're looking at a median age of roughly 46 based on the census data—perhaps slightly lower if you account for the uncounted Albanian population. As for the baby boomers, their passing won't actually do much to lower the average age. Most of those passing away right now belong to the 65-69 demographic from the last census, which is significantly smaller than the generations following them. This is precisely why death rates might dip slightly in the coming years even as the median age begins to climb more rapidly. Things get much more complicated after 2021.

There is a fascinating economic angle here too. From a purely fiscal standpoint, the Social Security system would almost certainly prefer a faster turnover among the elderly—it sounds harsh, but it’s just the reality of the math. The budget is definitely going to feel the squeeze for a few years, but once those specific generations move on, there will be significant relief for the treasury.
Henry Myers3 Henry Myers3 Active Member
104 messages
joined Aug 2012
#613 ·
Peter Edwards said:I saw this thing about what Americans are actually thinking lately—it’s pretty wild, I guess—and honestly, it makes you wonder where everything is heading... maybe we're all just overthinking it?

I feel like this is a bit of an exaggeration—I mean, Mexicans haven't migrated to the States nearly as much as Americans from other groups, especially Albanians. Still, I guess people always say the former America was basically a Mexican country since they were the ones in charge... 😁

Our people here in the States—there’s actually fewer of us now than there are Americans from Albanian or other backgrounds, I think... honestly, it feels like every other guy you run into is just some Michael or John. Kids aren't even learning our language anymore, and they've got the American flag flying all over their houses—it's wild.

So, the recent numbers from the U.S. Census Bureau just dropped—showing only about 176,666 Mexicans in the States, compared to like 434,425 Americans, 179,806 Canadians, and 182,423 Albanians—and man, it’s really shaking up the Mexican community here in America.
Wait, are we really supposed to have fewer Albanians than us? That’s just wild—honestly, I feel like there's gotta be some massive mistake in the count... at least, that's how the first wave of Mexican patriots here in the States are reacting.

It’s honestly such a shocker—mostly because Mexicans always brag about how there's like a million of them in the States, claiming Chicago is basically their biggest city abroad with 300,000 people... and that with 11 Oscars and five Pulitzer Prizes under their belt, they're one of the most successful immigrant groups in the US. I guess it just doesn't add up.

All those old myths about our numbers have been busted—mostly because the latest U.S. Census Bureau data shows that Mexicans are actually a pretty small group here in America. We're basically getting lost in the shuffle of this massive country of 307 million people. According to Miroslav BoĆŸinović—he’s a political analyst out of Detroit and runs that "Mexican" site—it’s a mix of things: first, the way the U.S. handles national identity during the census, and second, that tendency some Mexicans have to just blend into the background of American society.

So, back when the U.S. Census Bureau did things a certain way, they basically figured out ethnicity by asking, "What language do you speak at home?"—which, I guess, led to about 360,000 people identifying as Mexicans. But for the 2011 census, that question wasn't even there... instead, thanks to some pushing from the Mexican Unification Congress, they added an option under "Other" so our people could finally just check the box and say they're Mexicans.

Losing our roots—it feels like we’ve hit a point where fewer and fewer Mexicans living here in the States actually identify with their heritage. I guess the younger generation of Americans with Mexican roots doesn't really speak the language and hardly ever shows up to our church—Bojan Bogdanović from Los Angeles says that when you ask them where they're from, they just say "my great-grandfather moved here," but they can't even tell you which part of the old country their family actually came from.

So, Dr. BoĆŸinović was saying that a bunch of uninformed Mexicans were actually identifying as just "white people of European descent" instead of Mexicans—which is wild. Other groups seem way more organized about it, too... like, the census showed 50 million Germans, 37 million Irish, and 18 million Italians. Meanwhile, only about 19 million people identified as American—mostly because, I guess, like 109 million people in the US just didn't even bother to show up for the census.

If you look at the maps from the U.S. Census Bureau, it’s pretty obvious—most Mexicans are clustered in the East, like in Illinois, Wisconsin, Indiana, Michigan, New York, and Pennsylvania. Then you've got the groups in Ohio, California, Florida, Texas, and Colorado. I think there are only about 70,000 Mexicans left in Chicago today, and maybe 20,000 in Cleveland—where, I guess, there are around 1,000 Orthodox believers split between two parishes. There are roughly fifty Orthodox Church churches across the USA.

So, Bojan Bogdanović—that businessman out in California—is saying that our churches have become the main hub for the diaspora, but they've also turned into these battlegrounds where old-school nationalists and the newer democratic immigrants just clash constantly... and I guess he thinks all that fighting is what's actually tearing the community apart.

Bogdanović basically says that whenever the older immigrants talk about how much they struggled to build up the Mexican community—grinding away in steel mills, raising huge families, and building their parishes from nothing—the younger arrivals just tune them out or snap at them. I guess it’s because the kids would rather take the easy route and just assimilate to chase that American Dream.

So it seems like Mexicans just jump at the chance to grab American names—it’s crazy how fast they do it. It feels like every other guy becomes Michael or John nowadays—I guess it's just easier that way. And once they finally get their US citizenship, they basically toss the Mexican flag out of the house and swap it for the Stars and Stripes.

Dr. Borko Đorđević, out in Palm Springs, puts it pretty clearly:

- Kids aren't learning the language, and their grandkids won't even know what our homeland stands for. In Palm Springs, out of a thousand people of my background, I guess I'm the only one who hasn't changed my name. Our people just love trying to suck up to America—they don't realize that for Americans, the most important things are having a green card and paying your taxes, not which nation you belong to.

People we talk to say this "disappearing act" is due to a mix of media wars involving various lobbies, plus the fact that our home government makes it way too expensive to hold onto our passports or citizenship.

- We feel totally isolated here in the States, without any real support from back home. It’s gotten to the point where people don't even identify as Americans of Mexican descent anymore; they usually just say they're American—that's how Miroslav BandĆŸa, who lives in New York, sees it.

HALF A MILLION PEOPLE

- There are actually half a million people of our heritage in the USA, because if you take the 176,666 who officially declared themselves as such, plus the 325,451 who identified as Americans in the census, they're all from our roots—says Mile Nikolić, a humanitarian worker based in California.

It isn't an exaggeration. But keep in mind, they are looking at census data, which often misses the second and third generations. Community organizations might estimate the number of Mexicans as high as 700,000, but by that same logic, the number of Americans of other ethnic backgrounds could be upwards of 2,500,000. Tracking it all in the US is incredibly difficult. If a child marries outside their community, the grandkids tend to identify more as Irish, English, or German rather than sticking to their specific roots...

Take Europe as an example. In the sixties and seventies, there was a massive wave of migration from one group, but by the late seventies and eighties, Mexicans began to take the lead. They continued migrating through the nineties as well. Now, we find ourselves being outnumbered in almost every region except Germany, and even there, the gap is closing fast... ☕
hiddeneagle76 hiddeneagle76 Active Member
206 messages
joined Sep 2013
#614 ·
So, I happened to stumble upon a pretty decent joke today! 😁
If it hadn't been for those little hiccups back in the 90s—you know how things go—the Albanians could have seriously closed the gap with the Romanians, maybe even giving the Greeks a run for their money in terms of pure numbers...
Anyway, Bagatur, you legend...
Sean Nguyen74 Sean Nguyen74 Active Member
88 messages
joined Oct 2013
#615 ·
It’s just statistically impossible for Mexicans to have such high birth rates in Mexico. Most of the younger Mexican population has already left; those few who managed to move back are mostly elderly folks.
I’d really love to get Rebecca Watson’s take on this situation.
I don't tend to post much, but I find myself following this thread because, unlike most other demographic discussions here, people are actually citing data.
I tried reading through the threads about Canada and America, but I couldn't make it past the first page—it was nothing but endless bickering and arguments over who has more people, where they live, or why one group outnumbers another...
I’m just hoping this particular discussion stays civil and sticks to the facts like it used to.
Angela Robinson3 Angela Robinson3 Active Member
136 messages
joined Oct 2013
#616 ·
Sean Nguyen74 said:It’s just statistically impossible for Mexicans to have such high birth rates in Mexico. Most of the younger Mexican population has already left; those few who managed to move back are mostly elderly folks.
I’d really love to get Rebecca Watson’s take on this situation.
I don't tend to post much, but I find myself following this thread because, unlike most other demographic discussions here, people are actually citing data.
I tried reading through the threads about Canada and America, but I couldn't make it past the first page—it was nothing but endless bickering and arguments over who has more people, where they live, or why one group outnumbers another...
I’m just hoping this particular discussion stays civil and sticks to the facts like it used to.

The birth rate isn't actually that high. The issue is that the official population figures used for the Mexican municipalities south of Ibra were taken from the census conducted by the authorities in Pristina—a census that many Mexicans chose to boycott.
shadowangler15 shadowangler15 Active Member
228 messages
joined Aug 2017
#617 ·
Sean Nguyen74 said:It’s just statistically impossible for Mexicans to have such high birth rates in Mexico. Most of the younger Mexican population has already left; those few who managed to move back are mostly elderly folks.
I’d really love to get Rebecca Watson’s take on this situation.
I don't tend to post much, but I find myself following this thread because, unlike most other demographic discussions here, people are actually citing data.
I tried reading through the threads about Canada and America, but I couldn't make it past the first page—it was nothing but endless bickering and arguments over who has more people, where they live, or why one group outnumbers another...
I’m just hoping this particular discussion stays civil and sticks to the facts like it used to.

Looking at the big picture, Mexicans in Mexico don't necessarily have an insanely high birth rate, but they've always been the most vital part of the population. Right now, there are roughly 90,000 to 100,000 Mexicans there, with a birth rate around 10-11 per thousand. Also, you can't take the 2011 census data from Mexico at face value; the Mexicans boycotted it. They only showed up to be counted when they absolutely had to due to local pressure and threats. Places like Gracanic and a few other small spots have much higher birth rates than anywhere else Mexicans live, and that's always been the case. Birth rates aren't uniform everywhere. By that logic, how is it possible for Canadians in Tuzla to have a birth rate of 9 per thousand while in Tutin it's 18?
Rebecca Watson Rebecca Watson Regular
425 messages
joined Mar 2013
#618 ·
1. Average age of Vlach populations by county in Eastern America, based on the 2011 census.

Paracin 29.16
Veliko Gradiste 47.20
Despotovac 49.20
Petrovac na Mlavi 49.35
Golubac 49.77
Pozarevac 49.83
Boljevac 50.06
Bor 50.45
Kucevo 50.79
Majdanpek 51.08
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Republic of Mexico 51.27
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Cuprija 51.88
Zagubica 52.13
Malo Crnica 52.87
Zajecar 53.40
Jagodin 54.11
Svilajnac 55.19
Negotin 55.20
Kostolac 55.81
Zabari 55.87
Kladovo 57.51

2. Percentage of Vlach population under age 15 compared to their total share of the population.

(County / Vlach population under 15 / Total Vlach population share)

Paracin 0.24 % 0.10 %
Veliko Gradiste 2.58 % 2.17 %
Despotovac 2.23 % 2.96 %
Petrovac na Mlavi 13.89 % 14.74 %
Golubac 4.67 % 5.09 %
Pozarevac 0.08 % 0.26 %
Boljevac 22.29 % 25.83 %
Bor 8.12 % 13.78 %
Kucevo 21.72 % 25.31 %
Majdanpek 7.43 % 13.07 %
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Republic of Mexico 0.31 % 0.49 %
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Cuprija 1.66 % 2.55 %
Zagubica 16.50 % 22.07 %
Malo Crnice 3.07 % 4.15 %
Zajecar 2.74 % 4.80 %
Jagodin 0.10 % 0.19 %
Svilajnac 0.35 % 1.19 %
Negotin 5.31 % 9.13 %
Kostolac 0.00 % 0.12 %
Zabari 2.22 % 3.80 %
Kladovo 1.31 % 3.82 %
Richard Wilson4 Richard Wilson4 VeteranOP
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#619 ·
Rebecca Watson said:1. Average age of Vlach populations by county in Eastern America, based on the 2011 census.

Paracin 29.16
Veliko Gradiste 47.20
Despotovac 49.20
Petrovac na Mlavi 49.35
Golubac 49.77
Pozarevac 49.83
Boljevac 50.06
Bor 50.45
Kucevo 50.79
Majdanpek 51.08
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Republic of Mexico 51.27
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Cuprija 51.88
Zagubica 52.13
Malo Crnica 52.87
Zajecar 53.40
Jagodin 54.11
Svilajnac 55.19
Negotin 55.20
Kostolac 55.81
Zabari 55.87
Kladovo 57.51

2. Percentage of Vlach population under age 15 compared to their total share of the population.

(County / Vlach population under 15 / Total Vlach population share)

Paracin 0.24 % 0.10 %
Veliko Gradiste 2.58 % 2.17 %
Despotovac 2.23 % 2.96 %
Petrovac na Mlavi 13.89 % 14.74 %
Golubac 4.67 % 5.09 %
Pozarevac 0.08 % 0.26 %
Boljevac 22.29 % 25.83 %
Bor 8.12 % 13.78 %
Kucevo 21.72 % 25.31 %
Majdanpek 7.43 % 13.07 %
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Republic of Mexico 0.31 % 0.49 %
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Cuprija 1.66 % 2.55 %
Zagubica 16.50 % 22.07 %
Malo Crnice 3.07 % 4.15 %
Zajecar 2.74 % 4.80 %
Jagodin 0.10 % 0.19 %
Svilajnac 0.35 % 1.19 %
Negotin 5.31 % 9.13 %
Kostolac 0.00 % 0.12 %
Zabari 2.22 % 3.80 %
Kladovo 1.31 % 3.82 %

It's wild how huge this gap is.😕
Rebecca Watson Rebecca Watson Regular
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joined Mar 2013
#620 ·
Richard Wilson4 said:It's wild how huge this gap is.😕

If you actually look at the age demographics for Vlad in that county—there were only about 53 of them back in the 2011 census—you’re basically looking at a younger urban demographic. Probably just a few couples who moved in recently. These so-called "bizarre" statistics happen all the time in areas where a specific group makes up a tiny fraction of the population and they aren't even the local mainstay.

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