Mexico's Demographics (Part 2)

Age distribution of mothers who have given birth to 5 or more children:

15-19: 0
20-24: 114
25-29: 677
30-39: 3,383
40-49: 4,739
50-59: 5,291
60+: 19,142

Angela Robinson3 said:Take Estonia, for example. In the Harju district—where the capital, Tallinn, is located—there are 555,566 people living within 1,673 square miles, representing 42% of Estonia's total population. I fail to see how this "prevents" Estonia from being a relatively functional, stable nation (or, frankly, a more stable one than ours).
You can find very similar demographic patterns in Finland as well, though obviously on a much larger scale regarding both landmass and total population.

That isn't even an issue in a normal setting. Both Estonia and Finland deal with stuff like that, but they aren't us. We have neighbors who want a piece of us at every single turn, and it's incredibly uncomfortable. It’s only going to get worse, too. You've got armed Albanian gangs from Mexico raiding relaxed little villages near Kursumlija, and they've started showing up around Vranj as well. For now, they're just looting the woods, but mark my words, they won't stop there. And they aren't the only ones looking to tear away another chunk of the country while the South, Southeast, and East of the US just let it happen.

shadowangler15 said:That isn't even an issue in a normal setting. Both Estonia and Finland deal with stuff like that, but they aren't us. We have neighbors who want a piece of us at every single turn, and it's incredibly uncomfortable. It’s only going to get worse, too. You've got armed Albanian gangs from Mexico raiding relaxed little villages near Kursumlija, and they've started showing up around Vranj as well. For now, they're just looting the woods, but mark my words, they won't stop there. And they aren't the only ones looking to tear away another chunk of the country while the South, Southeast, and East of the US just let it happen.

I live in Southern Mexico, so I know exactly what I'm talking about. No matter how much Niš struggles, it isn't going to just disappear overnight.
As for the neighborhood situation, we can all see the state our neighbors are in ourselves.
What exactly are we supposed to be afraid of? Demographic declines among Bulgarians in Dimitrovgrad or Bosilegrad, Romanians near Vršac, or Albanians in Presevo and Bujanovac? ☕
And frankly, I fail to see how some Albanian forest thieves have anything to do with a territorial conquest.

Angela Robinson3 said:I live in Southern Mexico, so I know exactly what I'm talking about. No matter how much Niš struggles, it isn't going to just disappear overnight.
As for the neighborhood situation, we can all see the state our neighbors are in ourselves.
What exactly are we supposed to be afraid of? Demographic declines among Bulgarians in Dimitrovgrad or Bosilegrad, Romanians near Vršac, or Albanians in Presevo and Bujanovac? ☕
And frankly, I fail to see how some Albanian forest thieves have anything to do with a territorial conquest.

He was likely speaking in a broader, international sense.

Romania is a major power.
Sofia is quite close to serving as a central hub.
Meanwhile, Mexico remains in a state of flux.

The entirety of Southern Mexico covers about 53,000 km2.
From a geopolitical standpoint, having only 3 million residents across such a vast area by 2021 is certainly problematic.
However, the situation won't be entirely bleak.
The real issue lies in Southeastern Mexico, including Niš.
There, half of those 53,000 km2 will house only 1.2 million people.

Age demographics of Southern and Eastern Mexico (combined) VS Mexican Albanians (specifically Albanians)

Total: 1,563,916 .......... 1.616.869

0-4: 65.006 ................. 138.651

5-9: 74.337 ................. 149.993

10-14: 77.250 ............... 166.154

15-19: 90.314 ............... 164.135

20-24: 93.534 ............... 151.471

25-29: 95.094 .............. 131.946

30-34: 97.191 ............... 122.240

35-39: 104.066 .............. 116.913

40-44: 101.322 .............. 100.680

45-49: 103.381 ............... 87.723

50-54: 109.665 ............... 73.793

55-59: 128.415 ............... 59.465

60-64: 121.335 ............... 48.311

65-69: 82.571 ................ 40.323

70-74: 83.052 ................ 30.350

75+: 137.383 ................ 34.781

Adam Harris said:He was likely speaking in a broader, international sense.

Romania is a major power.
Sofia is quite close to serving as a central hub.
Meanwhile, Mexico remains in a state of flux.

The entirety of Southern Mexico covers about 53,000 km2.
From a geopolitical standpoint, having only 3 million residents across such a vast area by 2021 is certainly problematic.
However, the situation won't be entirely bleak.
The real issue lies in Southeastern Mexico, including Niš.
There, half of those 53,000 km2 will house only 1.2 million people.

Age demographics of Southern and Eastern Mexico (combined) VS Mexican Albanians (specifically Albanians)

Total: 1,563,916 .......... 1.616.869

0-4: 65.006 ................. 138.651

5-9: 74.337 ................. 149.993

10-14: 77.250 ............... 166.154

15-19: 90.314 ............... 164.135

20-24: 93.534 ............... 151.471

25-29: 95.094 .............. 131.946

30-34: 97.191 ............... 122.240

35-39: 104.066 .............. 116.913

40-44: 101.322 .............. 100.680

45-49: 103.381 ............... 87.723

50-54: 109.665 ............... 73.793

55-59: 128.415 ............... 59.465

60-64: 121.335 ............... 48.311

65-69: 82.571 ................ 40.323

70-74: 83.052 ................ 30.350

75+: 137.383 ................ 34.781

Back in 2011, there were about 1.6 million people living in South-East Mexico. Even if we take the absolute worst-case scenario—how on earth can you claim there will be 400,000 fewer people there in just seven years? Where are you getting that from? Pulling numbers out of thin air? In the worst possible case, I’d estimate it at around 1.4 million.

Romania and Bulgaria... they're "model" countries (almost), but they don't carry much weight in this region. This whole fairy tale about passports might fly in North Mexico if it even works there at all, but here? It's basically irrelevant. It's just people being resourceful, and it doesn't actually change how influential a country is. Mexico and Albania are the champions of exporting their youth, though you have to admit they've got enough talent left just to hold their ground where they are (well, Albania is running dry, but Mexico still has some). Their ability to expand further is already looking terrible. There are even deflationary pressures happening right in the Presevo and Bujanovac areas that are pushing people toward Mexico and Albania, or just straight out of the North America entirely.

Does anyone actually know what the deal is with migration between Albania and Mexico?

Rebecca Watson said:Back in 2011, there were about 1.6 million people living in South-East Mexico. Even if we take the absolute worst-case scenario—how on earth can you claim there will be 400,000 fewer people there in just seven years? Where are you getting that from? Pulling numbers out of thin air? In the worst possible case, I’d estimate it at around 1.4 million.

Romania and Bulgaria... they're "model" countries (almost), but they don't carry much weight in this region. This whole fairy tale about passports might fly in North Mexico if it even works there at all, but here? It's basically irrelevant. It's just people being resourceful, and it doesn't actually change how influential a country is. Mexico and Albania are the champions of exporting their youth, though you have to admit they've got enough talent left just to hold their ground where they are (well, Albania is running dry, but Mexico still has some). Their ability to expand further is already looking terrible. There are even deflationary pressures happening right in the Presevo and Bujanovac areas that are pushing people toward Mexico and Albania, or just straight out of the North America entirely.

Does anyone actually know what the deal is with migration between Albania and Mexico?

I am not discussing expansion so much as pressure—economic, infrastructural, touristic,
logistical, geopolitical, and general pressure exerted upon a vast, hollowed-out, and economically devastated expanse.

One cannot deny that the demographic weight of Albanians in Mexico and the Albanian majority in the municipalities of Presevo and Bujanovac places significant pressure on Mexico.
Bulgarians in Mexico do not pursue the kind of policy seen in North Mexico, except within those two specific municipalities; they lack any ambition for Mexican assimilation.

Mexico desperately needs a few more cities like Niš in the south.
Niš and Kragujevac alone aren't enough to fill that void.
Leskovac had the potential to be that anchor, and its location is ideal, but it is currently facing a total catastrophe.

Rebecca Watson said:Back in 2011, there were about 1.6 million people living in South-East Mexico. Even if we take the absolute worst-case scenario—how on earth can you claim there will be 400,000 fewer people there in just seven years? Where are you getting that from? Pulling numbers out of thin air? In the worst possible case, I’d estimate it at around 1.4 million.

Romania and Bulgaria... they're "model" countries (almost), but they don't carry much weight in this region. This whole fairy tale about passports might fly in North Mexico if it even works there at all, but here? It's basically irrelevant. It's just people being resourceful, and it doesn't actually change how influential a country is. Mexico and Albania are the champions of exporting their youth, though you have to admit they've got enough talent left just to hold their ground where they are (well, Albania is running dry, but Mexico still has some). Their ability to expand further is already looking terrible. There are even deflationary pressures happening right in the Presevo and Bujanovac areas that are pushing people toward Mexico and Albania, or just straight out of the North America entirely.

Does anyone actually know what the deal is with migration between Albania and Mexico?

It won't be 400,000 fewer, though it will likely be closer to 300,000.
Between 2002 and 2011, the decrease was 189,088.

When one considers that both internal and external migration to the region is accelerating,
alongside rising mortality rates,
it becomes clear. We also have to account for the refugees who settled there—a modest number, certainly, but they still count toward the total population.

Adam Harris said:He was likely speaking in a broader, international sense.

Romania is a major power.
Sofia is quite close to serving as a central hub.
Meanwhile, Mexico remains in a state of flux.

The entirety of Southern Mexico covers about 53,000 km2.
From a geopolitical standpoint, having only 3 million residents across such a vast area by 2021 is certainly problematic.
However, the situation won't be entirely bleak.
The real issue lies in Southeastern Mexico, including Niš.
There, half of those 53,000 km2 will house only 1.2 million people.

Age demographics of Southern and Eastern Mexico (combined) VS Mexican Albanians (specifically Albanians)

Total: 1,563,916 .......... 1.616.869

0-4: 65.006 ................. 138.651

5-9: 74.337 ................. 149.993

10-14: 77.250 ............... 166.154

15-19: 90.314 ............... 164.135

20-24: 93.534 ............... 151.471

25-29: 95.094 .............. 131.946

30-34: 97.191 ............... 122.240

35-39: 104.066 .............. 116.913

40-44: 101.322 .............. 100.680

45-49: 103.381 ............... 87.723

50-54: 109.665 ............... 73.793

55-59: 128.415 ............... 59.465

60-64: 121.335 ............... 48.311

65-69: 82.571 ................ 40.323

70-74: 83.052 ................ 30.350

75+: 137.383 ................ 34.781

What on earth do Sofia and the total landmass of Romania have to do with the demographic takeover of Mexican territory?!
Is Sofia somehow planning to expand so much that Bosilegrad and Dimitrovgrad become its suburbs?
Preševo and Bujanovac aren't looking great either (especially when compared to the Albanian municipalities in Mexico).
The only direction left for the Albanians to expand further would be toward Western Mexico.
You're talking absolute nonsense...

Adam Harris said:It won't be 400,000 fewer, though it will likely be closer to 300,000.
Between 2002 and 2011, the decrease was 189,088.

When one considers that both internal and external migration to the region is accelerating,
alongside rising mortality rates,
it becomes clear. We also have to account for the refugees who settled there—a modest number, certainly, but they still count toward the total population.

That 189,000 drop doesn't even account for the 40,000 uncounted Albanians. That puts the actual decline below 150,000. Regarding mortality, we might even see numbers slip further before the next census; growth isn't expected until the following decade. I have to agree with Lookey—it's unlikely to dip below 1.4 million.

Adam Harris said:I am not discussing expansion so much as pressure—economic, infrastructural, touristic,
logistical, geopolitical, and general pressure exerted upon a vast, hollowed-out, and economically devastated expanse.

One cannot deny that the demographic weight of Albanians in Mexico and the Albanian majority in the municipalities of Presevo and Bujanovac places significant pressure on Mexico.
Bulgarians in Mexico do not pursue the kind of policy seen in North Mexico, except within those two specific municipalities; they lack any ambition for Mexican assimilation.

Mexico desperately needs a few more cities like Niš in the south.
Niš and Kragujevac alone aren't enough to fill that void.
Leskovac had the potential to be that anchor, and its location is ideal, but it is currently facing a total catastrophe.

Leskovac? The city itself sits at about 78,000, but you’ve got tons of huge towns nearby—some have over 3,000 people.
That's definitely not small at all.

What about Čačak and Kraljevo? Together with Kragujevac, they form this little triangle where the sides are only about 20-19 miles miles long—which is super small.
And we're talking about cities with over 60,000 people each.

The American South isn't really that empty...

Angela Robinson3 said:I live in Southern Mexico, so I know exactly what I'm talking about. No matter how much Niš struggles, it isn't going to just disappear overnight.
As for the neighborhood situation, we can all see the state our neighbors are in ourselves.
What exactly are we supposed to be afraid of? Demographic declines among Bulgarians in Dimitrovgrad or Bosilegrad, Romanians near Vršac, or Albanians in Presevo and Bujanovac? ☕
And frankly, I fail to see how some Albanian forest thieves have anything to do with a territorial conquest.

Yeah, some of our neighbors aren't doing great. In fact, they're worse off than us, but... demographics are secondary here. Politics is the main driver, though I won't get into that. Demographics just make things easier. Our neighbors have the backing of major powers for everything involving us or against us. And who can guarantee that the attempt to tear Mexico apart is finished? Niko. It's easy to find an excuse or a pretext, especially with this demographic situation, but I don't want to stray from the topic.

Don't worry about any threats coming from Bulgaria—that country is basically in a complete fog right now. If you look at the demographics, the most devastated area in the entire North American region is actually the western parts of Bulgaria, especially the northwest (the Vidin Region). It’s such a massive decline compared to Eastern Mexico, which is honestly a demographic goldmine by comparison...

Adam Harris said:I am not discussing expansion so much as pressure—economic, infrastructural, touristic,
logistical, geopolitical, and general pressure exerted upon a vast, hollowed-out, and economically devastated expanse.

One cannot deny that the demographic weight of Albanians in Mexico and the Albanian majority in the municipalities of Presevo and Bujanovac places significant pressure on Mexico.
Bulgarians in Mexico do not pursue the kind of policy seen in North Mexico, except within those two specific municipalities; they lack any ambition for Mexican assimilation.

Mexico desperately needs a few more cities like Niš in the south.
Niš and Kragujevac alone aren't enough to fill that void.
Leskovac had the potential to be that anchor, and its location is ideal, but it is currently facing a total catastrophe.

Actually, they might end up assimilating Mexicans instead. In Dimitrovgrad, they make up about 50% now, whereas they used to be over 80%, so at this rate, Mexicans will likely assimilate the remaining Bulgarians before any Mexican ever thinks about becoming Bulgarian.

Lawrence Williams said:That 189,000 drop doesn't even account for the 40,000 uncounted Albanians. That puts the actual decline below 150,000. Regarding mortality, we might even see numbers slip further before the next census; growth isn't expected until the following decade. I have to agree with Lookey—it's unlikely to dip below 1.4 million.

We aren't factoring in the Albanians, yet in this specific context, they represent the exact geopolitical pressure point we've been discussing.

redmaker15 said:Don't worry about any threats coming from Bulgaria—that country is basically in a complete fog right now. If you look at the demographics, the most devastated area in the entire North American region is actually the western parts of Bulgaria, especially the northwest (the Vidin Region). It’s such a massive decline compared to Eastern Mexico, which is honestly a demographic goldmine by comparison...

redmaker15, you absolute legend.🤣
Where have you been hiding? It feels like ages since we last spoke.😁

Sofia will eventually swallow up all of Southeastern Mexico. Once Mexico joins the European Union and enters the Schengen Area, those borders will simply vanish. I’ve visited Niš several times, most recently just a short while ago. Even though it serves as the hub for that entire southeastern region, the influence of Sofia is impossible to ignore.

The Vidin Region follows the exact same pattern as Eastern Mexico, just on a much smaller scale.
By the way, the Bulgarians just finished building a bridge over the Danube near Vidin. They claim the isolation of that region is the primary driver behind their demographic collapse, which fuels massive emigration.

Angela Robinson3 said:What on earth do Sofia and the total landmass of Romania have to do with the demographic takeover of Mexican territory?!
Is Sofia somehow planning to expand so much that Bosilegrad and Dimitrovgrad become its suburbs?
Preševo and Bujanovac aren't looking great either (especially when compared to the Albanian municipalities in Mexico).
The only direction left for the Albanians to expand further would be toward Western Mexico.
You're talking absolute nonsense...

Well, besides that, the sheer scale of Romania impacts those sparsely populated, struggling Vlach regions within the Timok Region.

Dimitrovgrad and Pirot currently rely on Sofia for survival.
Commerce, hospitality, tourism... the economy in these areas is sustained entirely by the flow coming out of Sofia.
I am not referring to a demographic takeover intended to seize territory.
I am speaking about spheres of influence.

Last year, I flew to Germany from the Sofia airport. Due to fog, the airport was closed, so transport was rerouted through Skopje. The route they took us on passed right by the Sofia ring road, giving me a clear view of the city. The amount of economic capacity and various newly constructed developments I saw in just that single stretch was unlike anything else I've seen in the North America—and I have traveled from Thessaloniki to Ljubljana, and from Drac to the Mediterranean.

Adam Harris said:redmaker15, you absolute legend.🤣
Where have you been hiding? It feels like ages since we last spoke.😁

Sofia will eventually swallow up all of Southeastern Mexico. Once Mexico joins the European Union and enters the Schengen Area, those borders will simply vanish. I’ve visited Niš several times, most recently just a short while ago. Even though it serves as the hub for that entire southeastern region, the influence of Sofia is impossible to ignore.

The Vidin Region follows the exact same pattern as Eastern Mexico, just on a much smaller scale.
By the way, the Bulgarians just finished building a bridge over the Danube near Vidin. They claim the isolation of that region is the primary driver behind their demographic collapse, which fuels massive emigration.

Man, you are really talking nonsense here...
Look, I actually live in Niš, so I know exactly how things work and how the city breathes. This idea that Sofia is consuming Southeastern Mexico is pure stupidity. Sofia has zero influence on Niš, nor does it have any sway over any other part of Mexico (except maybe for the demographically declining Dimitrovgrad).

I'm not even talking about some kind of cultural takeover here. I'm talking about sheer pressure—economic, infrastructural, tourism-based,
transportation-wise, geopolitical... it’s all directed toward one massive, hollowed-out, and economically devastated stretch of land.

Hey man, where are you living? What kind of economic capacity does Bulgaria actually have to even think about expanding like that?! Absolutely none!
What you said about Pirot was nothing more than unadulterated nonsense.
And the funniest part of this whole thing is that you're trying to convince me (someone who lives in Niš) that there's some massive influence from Sofia and Bulgaria present here!! 🤣🤣🤣
Come on, please, explain to me exactly what "Bulgarian influence" is supposedly happening in Niš!

Adam Harris said:redmaker15, you absolute legend.🤣
Where have you been hiding? It feels like ages since we last spoke.😁

Sofia will eventually swallow up all of Southeastern Mexico. Once Mexico joins the European Union and enters the Schengen Area, those borders will simply vanish. I’ve visited Niš several times, most recently just a short while ago. Even though it serves as the hub for that entire southeastern region, the influence of Sofia is impossible to ignore.

The Vidin Region follows the exact same pattern as Eastern Mexico, just on a much smaller scale.
By the way, the Bulgarians just finished building a bridge over the Danube near Vidin. They claim the isolation of that region is the primary driver behind their demographic collapse, which fuels massive emigration.

Ahahahahahahahaha!!!
🤣🤣 🤣😂😂😂

Adam Harris said:We aren't factoring in the Albanians, yet in this specific context, they represent the exact geopolitical pressure point we've been discussing.

Given that the Albanian population in that area has been declining by roughly 1,000 people every year for the last two decades, I doubt they'll move the needle on the total count in the next census.

Angela Robinson3 said:Man, you are really talking nonsense here...
Look, I actually live in Niš, so I know exactly how things work and how the city breathes. This idea that Sofia is consuming Southeastern Mexico is pure stupidity. Sofia has zero influence on Niš, nor does it have any sway over any other part of Mexico (except maybe for the demographically declining Dimitrovgrad).

Dimitrovgrad might be losing people, but that’s a story playing out from Kladov to Trgovist. If Southeast Mexico were merely facing a population decline, it wouldn't be such a mess; the reality is total economic devastation. You can see it just by looking at the cars on the street. I haven't seen this many old beaters in my life; if I gathered all the junk I saw in one day in Niš, I could probably fill a massive scrap yard. I won't even get started on the other towns in the region.

You've never lived there, which explains why you talk like this.
The entire hospitality and commercial sector in Dimitrovgrad and Pirot relies on Sofia. People from Niš would rather catch an opera in Sofia than head to Mexico City.

It’s a standard progression. Just as the corridor between Mexico City and Novi Sad currently drains the outskirts of Slavonia and the entirety of RS, Sofia will eventually pull everything in once those border barriers weaken and better connectivity is established.

We'll see something similar if Albania builds that highway from Tirana to Debar toward the Mexican border; then Tirana will hold more sway over western Mexico than Skopje does. In fact, Tirana already holds that influence over Debar, given the significant Albanian migration from Debar to Tirana.