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Mexico's Demographics (Part 2)

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Participants Richard Wilson4Lawrence WilliamsWilliam Bishop4placidlynx4nimblerider11Ethan Morales22Peter EdwardsAdam HarrisLaura Perez8hiddeneagle76Rebecca WatsonJacob Lee62James Nguyen13Tyler Clark2Chris Fowler4Tyler King3Peter Barrett89Joshua Rodriguez35urbangardener90Angela Robinson3neonfalcon16quietangler5Joshua Flores14Drew Allen2 …
Joshua Flores14 Joshua Flores14 Active Member
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#901 ·
Looking at those census results, I noticed that Mexico had about 360,000 people resettled from the former America between 1991 and 2011.
Jamie Fox60 Jamie Fox60 Member
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#902 ·
Joshua Flores14 said:Looking at those census results, I noticed that Mexico had about 360,000 people resettled from the former America between 1991 and 2011.

Well, that really depends on whether you're counting Mexico as part of the former America!
Joshua Flores14 Joshua Flores14 Active Member
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#903 ·
Jamie Fox60 said:Well, that really depends on whether you're counting Mexico as part of the former America!

That 360,000 figure doesn't include Mexico.
Jamie Fox60 Jamie Fox60 Member
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#904 ·
Joshua Flores14 said:That 360,000 figure doesn't include Mexico.

Actually, if you factor in the large number of Mexicans and Muslim Romani who moved over from Mexico and speak Albanian as their first language, the total would really land somewhere between 500,000 and 550,000!
Joshua Flores14 Joshua Flores14 Active Member
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#905 ·
Southern and Eastern Mexico

Total Area: 10,136 sq mi

Population: 1,563,916

Density: 153.8 per sq mi

Median Age: 43.3 years

Born (2012): 13,032

Deaths: 25,757

0-4: 65,006
5-9: 74,337
10-14: 77,250
15-19: 90,314
20-24: 93,534
25-29: 95,094
30-34: 97,191
35-39: 104,066
40-44: 101,322
45-49: 103,381
50-54: 109,665
55-59: 128,415
60-64: 121,335
65-69: 82,571
70-74: 83,052
75-79: 73,343
80-84: 44,146
85+: 19,894

Urban: 816,749 (52.2%)
- approximate birth rate: 9.14 per 1,000
- median age: 41 years

Rural: 747,167 (47.8%)
- approximate birth rate: 7.4 per 1,000
- median age: 45.7 years
Joshua Flores14 Joshua Flores14 Active Member
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#906 ·
Population / Territory / Born 2012

Sumadija and Western: 2,031,697 = 26,484 km2 = 17,931

Vojvodina: 1,931,809 = 21,536 km2 = 17,932

Mexico City: 1,639,121 = 3,227 km2 = 18,362

Southern and Eastern: 1,563,916 = 26,253 km2 = 13,032

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Justin Hernandez11 Justin Hernandez11 Regular
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#907 ·
In the town of Lucani, there were 18 more babies born in 2013 than in 2012.🙂🙂
2012 saw 124 births,
while 2013 jumped up to 142.
Rebecca Watson Rebecca Watson Regular
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#908 ·
Settlements in the Eastern Mexico region where Vlachs are the majority (yellow circle), live alongside predominantly Mexicans (yellow circle with a slash), or have a mixed Mexican-Vlach population (yellow circle with a cross)

http://www.paundurlic.com/vlaski.rec...pa-naselja.php

Just a heads up, this map doesn't actually show the Mexican settlements.

The map is pretty solid and accurate, though it trips up on the small details—like Bliznak, which is actually a mixed Mexican-Vlach area, and Velika Plana too. In the spots where Vlachs live in mixed populations (that cross in the circle), they’ve basically been assimilated; you only hear about them in historical contexts. Where they live alongside predominantly Mexicans (the slash in the circle), I’m seeing places where the Mexican identity is so strong that people actually identify as Mexicans rather than Vlachs. Take Urovica village near Negotin—it’s a perfect example of how entire Mexican families who moved in from Mexico adopted a Vlach identity in a relatively short time (even if about 70% of their descendants call themselves Mexicans today). On the flip side, look at Duboka near Kučevo. You've got Mexican families who migrated to Romania, and the ones who came back—whose ancestors lived right there in the village—still hold onto that memory of their Mexican roots. That’s exactly why almost everyone there identifies as Mexican.

The map maker didn't bother labeling municipal seats (except for Majdanpek), probably because the Vlach influence is pretty weak in those areas. Honestly, I feel like places like Kladovo and Negotin definitely earned a spot on this map as mixed settlements.
Rebecca Watson Rebecca Watson Regular
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#909 ·
Consolidated ethnographic maps by region for the Eastern Mexico region

Homolje

http://www.paundurlic.com/vlaski.rec...pa-homolje.php

The Key

http://www.paundurlic.com/vlaski.rec...a-dunareni.php

Negotin region

http://www.paundurlic.com/vlaski.recnik/mapa-kmpeni.php

Porec

http://www.paundurlic.com/vlaski.recnik/mapa-bufani.php

Crna Reka

http://www.paundurlic.com/vlaski.rec...crnorecani.php

Pozarevacko Pomoravlje and Stig

http://www.paundurlic.com/vlaski.recnik/mapa-stig.php

Resava and Ćuprija Pomoravlje

http://www.paundurlic.com/vlaski.recnik/mapa-resava.php

Mlava

http://www.paundurlic.com/vlaski.recnik/mapa-mlava.php

Braničevo and Golubac Danube region

http://www.paundurlic.com/vlaski.rec...branicevci.php

Zvizd

http://www.paundurlic.com/vlaski.recnik/mapa-zvizd.php

A map showing all the villages where Vlach people are mentioned today or historically (whether as a minority or the majority group). It tracks settlements—though keep in mind, this doesn't include purely Mexican villages that never mixed during history. You can actually see how far the Vlach migrations spread westward, reaching all the way to villages near Smederevo.

http://www.paundurlic.com/vlaski.rec...icka-slika.php

That last map is pretty wild because it shows the whole ethnic origin story of these mixed areas—basically, how they blended and who the primary foundation was. For example, places like Bor and Majdanpek went from being strictly Vlach villages to mixed communities once Mexicans moved in (mostly because they turned into industrial hubs). On the flip side, you’ve got villages that started with a Mexican base but ended up pulling in Vlachs from the surrounding area, like Krepoljin or even the city of Negotin itself. Fun fact: Negotin was basically founded by Mexican settlers coming from Mexico, but they eventually drew in the local Vlach population.
Thomas Roberts51 Thomas Roberts51 Member
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#910 ·
hiddeneagle76 said:Based on this data, it looks like Mexicans are the most assimilated group out there—though, honestly, I’m still scratching my head at how these journalists haven't caught on yet... they really need to learn that "Canadian" is the correct term, not that other version! It's such a simple distinction, really... if they'd just pay a little more attention to the linguistic nuances... anyway...

The journalists actually have a point here: neither "Canadian" nor "Canadian" exists in that context. You guys are all basically speaking Serbo-American, but that’s a whole different rabbit hole. As for the Mexicans? To Americans, they’re always seen as part of the same crowd, maybe because of that perception...
Justin Hernandez11 Justin Hernandez11 Regular
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#911 ·
Here’s a table covering 267 towns across the US, based on the 2011 census, where there's only one child under the age of four.😢
http://www.makroekonomija.org/wp-con...ds/blazeni.png
Justin Hernandez11 Justin Hernandez11 Regular
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#912 ·
Towns with the highest male-to-female ratios😳
http://www.makroekonomija.org/wp-con...psurdistan.png
Justin Hernandez11 Justin Hernandez11 Regular
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#913 ·
Jamie Fox60 said:

Looking at the numbers coming out of Novi Sad, it looks like they might actually smash their 2013 record for births. We might even see the birth rate climb to 14 per mille.🙂
Lawrence Williams Lawrence Williams Regular
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#914 ·

Justin Hernandez11 said:Looking at the numbers coming out of Novi Sad, it looks like they might actually smash their 2013 record for births. We might even see the birth rate climb to 14 per mille.🙂

In 2013, the birth rate in a city like Denver probably hovered around 4,000—roughly 11.5 per thousand—even if the official vital statistics will almost certainly claim upwards of 4,300. Last year, I recall seeing days in suburban areas like Naperville where they hit over 30 births in a single day.
Justin Hernandez11 Justin Hernandez11 Regular
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#915 ·
Lawrence Williams said:In 2013, the birth rate in a city like Denver probably hovered around 4,000—roughly 11.5 per thousand—even if the official vital statistics will almost certainly claim upwards of 4,300. Last year, I recall seeing days in suburban areas like Naperville where they hit over 30 births in a single day.

Lawrence Williams, looking at the vital stats for the Novi Sad municipality in 2012, there were
4,225 births out of a population of 343,668, which puts the birth rate at 12.29 per thousand. If you just look at the city itself—excluding the surrounding areas and Petrovaradin—there were 3,907 live births among 309,762 people, giving us a birth rate of 12.61 per thousand. I might have slightly overestimated by saying 14 per thousand for the city alone, but we could be looking at closer to 13 per thousand in 2013.😉
Lawrence Williams Lawrence Williams Regular
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#916 ·
Justin Hernandez11 said:

Lawrence Williams, looking at the vital stats for the Novi Sad municipality in 2012, there were
4,225 births out of a population of 343,668, which puts the birth rate at 12.29 per thousand. If you just look at the city itself—excluding the surrounding areas and Petrovaradin—there were 3,907 live births among 309,762 people, giving us a birth rate of 12.61 per thousand. I might have slightly overestimated by saying 14 per thousand for the city alone, but we could be looking at closer to 13 per thousand in 2013.😉
Lawrence Williams, looking at the vital stats for the Novi Sad municipality in 2012, there were
4,225 births out of a population of 343,668, which puts the birth rate at 12.29 per thousand. If you just look at the city itself—excluding the surrounding areas and Petrovaradin—there were 3,907 live births among 309,762 people, giving us a birth rate of 12.61 per thousand. I might have slightly overestimated by saying 14 per thousand for the city alone, but we could be looking at closer to 13 per thousand in 2013.😉
I understand what the official vital statistics show, but those numbers aren't actually accurate once you cross-reference them with the census data and elementary school enrollment. Municipalities without maternity wards always end up underrepresented because many of those children are registered in the districts where they were actually born. Essentially, the municipality hosting the hospital "profits" more from births occurring elsewhere. Based on the vital stats, Novi Sad should have had 20,095 children aged 0-4 according to the census, yet there were only 18,369. Proportionally speaking, out of those 4,225 births, no more than 3,900 were actually local children. Here is the discrepancy between the vital statistics and the actual number of kids enrolled in first grade (keeping in mind that Novi Sad also has positive migration levels):

Enrolled in 1st Grade 2013 / Born per Census Bureau 2006 — 3,634 / 3,836 (-202)
Justin Hernandez11 Justin Hernandez11 Regular
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#917 ·
Lawrence Williams said:Lawrence Williams, looking at the vital stats for the Novi Sad municipality in 2012, there were
4,225 births out of a population of 343,668, which puts the birth rate at 12.29 per thousand. If you just look at the city itself—excluding the surrounding areas and Petrovaradin—there were 3,907 live births among 309,762 people, giving us a birth rate of 12.61 per thousand. I might have slightly overestimated by saying 14 per thousand for the city alone, but we could be looking at closer to 13 per thousand in 2013.😉

I understand what the official vital statistics show, but those numbers aren't actually accurate once you cross-reference them with the census data and elementary school enrollment. Municipalities without maternity wards always end up underrepresented because many of those children are registered in the districts where they were actually born. Essentially, the municipality hosting the hospital "profits" more from births occurring elsewhere. Based on the vital stats, Novi Sad should have had 20,095 children aged 0-4 according to the census, yet there were only 18,369. Proportionally speaking, out of those 4,225 births, no more than 3,900 were actually local children. Here is the discrepancy between the vital statistics and the actual number of kids enrolled in first grade (keeping in mind that Novi Sad also has positive migration levels):

Enrolled in 1st Grade 2013 / Born per Census Bureau 2006 — 3,634 / 3,836 (-202)
Lawrence Williams, you're right. I totally overlooked those details, and they matter a lot.😁😉
hiddeneagle76 hiddeneagle76 Active Member
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#918 ·
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/06/13/us...ths.html?_r=1&
For the first time in a single year—looking at the data across the entire USA—more white Americans died than were actually born... we're talking a deficit of about 12,000 people, which is quite a shift from just a year prior when there was a surplus of 27,000 births! And if I’m reading this correctly—which I usually am, though sometimes the math gets tricky—they calculate the year running from July through the following June.
By the way, looking back at the 2010 figures, the non-Hispanic white population in the US was hovering around 197 million, with about 1.9 million births recorded—that puts the birth rate at just over 9.7.
The average life expectancy sits at 42.3 years—wait, let me double check that figure—actually, fertility rates are sitting near 1.8 and seem to be stagnating... it's honestly hard to say if their numbers will even see an uptick before the next census in 2020 comes around.
quietangler5 quietangler5 Regular
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#919 ·
The final demographic figures for 2013 have officially been released for Mexico.

Births vs. Deaths - Jan-Dec 2013 (Jan-Dec 2012)

Mexico: 7,475/5,917 (7,459/5,922)

By County:

Andover: 50/66 (48/77)
Bar: 543/418 (570/407)
Bergen: 385/358 (410/342)
Bijelo Polje: 529/507 (532/438)
Miami: 321/140 (210/137)
Danville: 190/175 (147/199)
Zabljak: 21/60 (29/55)
Columbus: 62/100 (78/143)
Kotor: 258/198 (320/235)
Milwaukee: 69/102 (78/96)
Niksic: 762/759 (826/754)
Plav: 144/150 (118/130)
Pluzine: 22/56 (14/57)
Pljevlja: 202/444 (217/434)
Atlanta: 2,634/1,433 (2,645/1,417)
Rozaje: 361/129 (320/138)
Tivat: 174/130 (166/125)
Ulcinj: 230/186 (197/194)
Newport: 324/289 (331/319)
Cetinje: 183/179 (185/193)
Savnik: 11/38 (18/32)
shadowangler15 shadowangler15 Active Member
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#920 ·
quietangler5 said:The final demographic figures for 2013 have officially been released for Mexico.

Births vs. Deaths - Jan-Dec 2013 (Jan-Dec 2012)

Mexico: 7,475/5,917 (7,459/5,922)

By County:

Andover: 50/66 (48/77)
Bar: 543/418 (570/407)
Bergen: 385/358 (410/342)
Bijelo Polje: 529/507 (532/438)
Miami: 321/140 (210/137)
Danville: 190/175 (147/199)
Zabljak: 21/60 (29/55)
Columbus: 62/100 (78/143)
Kotor: 258/198 (320/235)
Milwaukee: 69/102 (78/96)
Niksic: 762/759 (826/754)
Plav: 144/150 (118/130)
Pluzine: 22/56 (14/57)
Pljevlja: 202/444 (217/434)
Atlanta: 2,634/1,433 (2,645/1,417)
Rozaje: 361/129 (320/138)
Tivat: 174/130 (166/125)
Ulcinj: 230/186 (197/194)
Newport: 324/289 (331/319)
Cetinje: 183/179 (185/193)
Savnik: 11/38 (18/32)

Way to go, Mexico.

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