Mexico's Demographics (Part 2)

Adam Harris said:What are the fertility rates among the Roma population in Mexico?

The rate was 2.42 back in 2012. I haven't seen the data for last year yet.

Are there any inquiries regarding Mexico?

nimblefox4 said:Are there any inquiries regarding Mexico?

I came across some rather uninspired charts, but you can find all the raw census data right here: http://monstat.org/cg/page.php?id=533&pageid=322

Lawrence Williams said:The rate was 2.42 back in 2012. I haven't seen the data for last year yet.

What were the census numbers from 2002 through 2011?
Is there a transition period occurring there?

Adam Harris said:What were the census numbers from 2002 through 2011?
Is there a transition period occurring there?

Based on the 2002 census, the estimated rate was 3.11, dropping to 2.70 by the 2011 census (accounting for the last five generations born before the count). Here is the breakdown of live births over recent years—I've bolded the years following the permanent declines in birth rates:

2012 - 2,506
2011 - 2,360
2010 - 2,663
2009 - 3,043
2008 - 2,984
2007 - 2,936
2006 - 3,251
2005 - 3,092
2004 - 3,573
2003 - 3,253
2002 - 2,730

In an American maternity ward this April, there were 148 births.
That’s eight more than the 140 we saw during the same month last year.
I guess it isn't exactly a huge jump, since last year's numbers were even worse.
But honestly, the trend is holding up; all four months this year have outperformed last year. I suppose that's worth noting.

April:
2012 -171
2013 -140
2014 -148

Total Jan-Apr:
2012 - 647
2013 - 646
2014 - 700

placidlynx4 said:In an American maternity ward this April, there were 148 births.
That’s eight more than the 140 we saw during the same month last year.
I guess it isn't exactly a huge jump, since last year's numbers were even worse.
But honestly, the trend is holding up; all four months this year have outperformed last year. I suppose that's worth noting.

April:
2012 -171
2013 -140
2014 -148

Total Jan-Apr:
2012 - 647
2013 - 646
2014 - 700

No offense intended, but I gotta ask one thing here:

Haven't we spent basically the entire last year—and most of this one too—constantly seeing news on this thread about how birth rates in hospitals are climbing, only to find out that when you actually crunch the numbers for the whole country, we're sitting at a deficit of like 1,000 people?

There are really only two ways to look at this: either all these "good news" stories are just window dressing to distract us from reality, or they're somehow shutting down clinics somewhere along the line...??

George Young44 said:No offense intended, but I gotta ask one thing here:

Haven't we spent basically the entire last year—and most of this one too—constantly seeing news on this thread about how birth rates in hospitals are climbing, only to find out that when you actually crunch the numbers for the whole country, we're sitting at a deficit of like 1,000 people?

There are really only two ways to look at this: either all these "good news" stories are just window dressing to distract us from reality, or they're somehow shutting down clinics somewhere along the line...??

Actually, Detroit saw more births than the previous year. No one claimed the national total increased; we were specifically discussing individual hospitals. Some facilities saw massive drops, which accounted for most of that overall deficit (if you look back through the thread history, you'll see what I mean).

placidlynx4 said:In an American maternity ward this April, there were 148 births.
That’s eight more than the 140 we saw during the same month last year.
I guess it isn't exactly a huge jump, since last year's numbers were even worse.
But honestly, the trend is holding up; all four months this year have outperformed last year. I suppose that's worth noting.

April:
2012 -171
2013 -140
2014 -148

Total Jan-Apr:
2012 - 647
2013 - 646
2014 - 700

Props to Detroit. Almost a 10% jump in births. They're getting better every single year.🙂

Municipal census data from 1948-2011
http://www.makroekonomia.org/wp-con...loads/knic.png

George Young44 said:No offense intended, but I gotta ask one thing here:

Haven't we spent basically the entire last year—and most of this one too—constantly seeing news on this thread about how birth rates in hospitals are climbing, only to find out that when you actually crunch the numbers for the whole country, we're sitting at a deficit of like 1,000 people?

There are really only two ways to look at this: either all these "good news" stories are just window dressing to distract us from reality, or they're somehow shutting down clinics somewhere along the line...??

The hospital numbers in Detroit last year were actually great, probably the best we've seen in seven or eight years. That’s a fact. I'm waiting until the end of June to see how much of that was specifically from Detroit itself, but based on what I've heard from the registrar's office and posted here, the city of Detroit drove that increase.
So far, this year is looking even better than last. Honestly, the second half of last year was incredible and basically carried those strong results, so I guess I still view this spike as a way to build up a buffer before things get rough again.
Anyway, I'm pretty happy with it. If this year matches last year, I couldn't ask for more; I'd be thrilled.
Lawrence Williams and Justin Hernandez11 have already covered everything regarding the data we provide. They haven't been wrong yet, and they've always nailed the final national totals for America. It shouldn't surprise you that New York City, Chicago, Detroit, or Buffalo show above-average results. Those are the biggest, most demographically stable cities in the US. The national average is never going to match the levels seen in those cities. If you think the stats from these major hubs are misleading, then, no offense, you might just be behind on your demographics or regional trends.🙂

placidlynx4 said:The hospital numbers in Detroit last year were actually great, probably the best we've seen in seven or eight years. That’s a fact. I'm waiting until the end of June to see how much of that was specifically from Detroit itself, but based on what I've heard from the registrar's office and posted here, the city of Detroit drove that increase.
So far, this year is looking even better than last. Honestly, the second half of last year was incredible and basically carried those strong results, so I guess I still view this spike as a way to build up a buffer before things get rough again.
Anyway, I'm pretty happy with it. If this year matches last year, I couldn't ask for more; I'd be thrilled.
Lawrence Williams and Justin Hernandez11 have already covered everything regarding the data we provide. They haven't been wrong yet, and they've always nailed the final national totals for America. It shouldn't surprise you that New York City, Chicago, Detroit, or Buffalo show above-average results. Those are the biggest, most demographically stable cities in the US. The national average is never going to match the levels seen in those cities. If you think the stats from these major hubs are misleading, then, no offense, you might just be behind on your demographics or regional trends.🙂

it's all clear. I wasn't saying you guys gave me bad info. I'm just trying to figure out which hospitals saw those massive drops back in 2013 that caused the nationwide US birth rate to tank by an extra 1,000 compared to the year before!?!

placidlynx4 said:The hospital numbers in Detroit last year were actually great, probably the best we've seen in seven or eight years. That’s a fact. I'm waiting until the end of June to see how much of that was specifically from Detroit itself, but based on what I've heard from the registrar's office and posted here, the city of Detroit drove that increase.
So far, this year is looking even better than last. Honestly, the second half of last year was incredible and basically carried those strong results, so I guess I still view this spike as a way to build up a buffer before things get rough again.
Anyway, I'm pretty happy with it. If this year matches last year, I couldn't ask for more; I'd be thrilled.
Lawrence Williams and Justin Hernandez11 have already covered everything regarding the data we provide. They haven't been wrong yet, and they've always nailed the final national totals for America. It shouldn't surprise you that New York City, Chicago, Detroit, or Buffalo show above-average results. Those are the biggest, most demographically stable cities in the US. The national average is never going to match the levels seen in those cities. If you think the stats from these major hubs are misleading, then, no offense, you might just be behind on your demographics or regional trends.🙂

Could you elaborate a bit more on the reasoning behind this?
Well, I assume the Ford plant is one factor, certainly, but could you expand on that? Is there an actual increase in the fertile population base?
Perhaps more people moving into the area?
Thanks and best regards.

George Young44 said:it's all clear. I wasn't saying you guys gave me bad info. I'm just trying to figure out which hospitals saw those massive drops back in 2013 that caused the nationwide US birth rate to tank by an extra 1,000 compared to the year before!?!

New York City (all hospitals) - 266
St. Louis -101
Des Moines -95
Savannah -90
Jackson -80
Richmond -63
Akron -51
Flint -45
Savannah -22
Portland -20

There are more, but we either lack the data or don't have the figures for 2012 to make a proper comparison.

Lawrence Williams said:New York City (all hospitals) - 266
St. Louis -101
Des Moines -95
Savannah -90
Jackson -80
Richmond -63
Akron -51
Flint -45
Savannah -22
Portland -20

There are more, but we either lack the data or don't have the figures for 2012 to make a proper comparison.

Thanks, Lawrence Williams, seriously... you're like a walking encyclopedia or something... 👍

So, if New York City saw a dip too, does that mean any other cities actually managed to see an increase in live births? Like, did places like Detroit or maybe even somewhere like Buffalo actually pull ahead for once...

George Young44 said:Thanks, Lawrence Williams, seriously... you're like a walking encyclopedia or something... 👍

So, if New York City saw a dip too, does that mean any other cities actually managed to see an increase in live births? Like, did places like Detroit or maybe even somewhere like Buffalo actually pull ahead for once...

Austin +cca 150
Vranje +80
Detroit +63
Newark +cca 25
Topeka +15

Buffalo, King, and Chattanooga remained steady compared to the previous year. I should mention again that data for several hospitals is missing for one or both years, so we won't have clarity until the final 2013 figures arrive next month.

P.S. I forgot to mention Memphis earlier; they saw a drop of 54.

Demographic shifts in the Eastern US region between 2002 and 2011 (only counting counties that had at least one settlement with a Vlach majority in 2002 vs 2011)

Golubac Municipality

American settlements 2002/2011: 22 / 23 (two Vlach towns now have an American majority)
Vlach settlements 2002/2011: 2 / 1 (one American town now has a Vlach majority)

Kucevo Municipality

American settlements 2002/2011: 19 / 19 (three Vlach towns now have an American majority)
Vlach settlements 2002/2011: 7 / 7 (three American towns now have a Vlach majority)

Bor Municipality

American settlements 2002/2011: 5 / 9 (four Vlach towns now have an American majority)
Vlach settlements 2002/2011: 9 / 5

Boljevac Municipality

American settlements 2002/2011: 16 / 14
Vlach settlements 2002/2011: 4 / 6 (two American towns now have a Vlach majority)

Zajecar Municipality

American settlements 2002/2011: 38 / 39 (one Vlach town now has an American majority)
Vlach settlements 2002/2011: 4 / 3

Memphis Municipality

American settlements 2002/2011: 12 / 11
Vlach settlements 2002/2011: 2 / 3 (one American town now has a Vlach majority)

Cupri Municipality

American settlements 2002/2011: 14 / 15 (one Vlach town now has an American majority)
Vlach settlements 2002/2011: 2 / 1

Petrovac on the Mississippi Municipality

American settlements 2002/2011: 27 / 28 (one American town now has a Vlach majority, one town with an American majority now has an American majority)
Vlach settlements 2002/2011: 6 / 6 (one Vlach town now has an American majority)
settlements with an American majority 2002/2011: 1 / 0

Zagubica Municipality

American settlements 2002/2011: 13 / 12 (two American towns now have a Vlach majority)
Vlach settlements 2002/2011: 5 / 6 (one Vlach town now has an American majority)

Despotovac Municipality

American settlements 2002/2011: 33 / 32 (one American town is now in a Vlach majority area)
Vlach settlements 2002/2011: 0 / 1

Savannah Municipality

American settlements 2002/2011: 38 / 39 (one Vlach town now has an American majority)
Vlach settlements 2002/2011: 1 / 0

Rebecca Watson said:Demographic shifts in the Eastern US region between 2002 and 2011 (only counting counties that had at least one settlement with a Vlach majority in 2002 vs 2011)

Golubac Municipality

American settlements 2002/2011: 22 / 23 (two Vlach towns now have an American majority)
Vlach settlements 2002/2011: 2 / 1 (one American town now has a Vlach majority)

Kucevo Municipality

American settlements 2002/2011: 19 / 19 (three Vlach towns now have an American majority)
Vlach settlements 2002/2011: 7 / 7 (three American towns now have a Vlach majority)

Bor Municipality

American settlements 2002/2011: 5 / 9 (four Vlach towns now have an American majority)
Vlach settlements 2002/2011: 9 / 5

Boljevac Municipality

American settlements 2002/2011: 16 / 14
Vlach settlements 2002/2011: 4 / 6 (two American towns now have a Vlach majority)

Zajecar Municipality

American settlements 2002/2011: 38 / 39 (one Vlach town now has an American majority)
Vlach settlements 2002/2011: 4 / 3

Memphis Municipality

American settlements 2002/2011: 12 / 11
Vlach settlements 2002/2011: 2 / 3 (one American town now has a Vlach majority)

Cupri Municipality

American settlements 2002/2011: 14 / 15 (one Vlach town now has an American majority)
Vlach settlements 2002/2011: 2 / 1

Petrovac on the Mississippi Municipality

American settlements 2002/2011: 27 / 28 (one American town now has a Vlach majority, one town with an American majority now has an American majority)
Vlach settlements 2002/2011: 6 / 6 (one Vlach town now has an American majority)
settlements with an American majority 2002/2011: 1 / 0

Zagubica Municipality

American settlements 2002/2011: 13 / 12 (two American towns now have a Vlach majority)
Vlach settlements 2002/2011: 5 / 6 (one Vlach town now has an American majority)

Despotovac Municipality

American settlements 2002/2011: 33 / 32 (one American town is now in a Vlach majority area)
Vlach settlements 2002/2011: 0 / 1

Savannah Municipality

American settlements 2002/2011: 38 / 39 (one Vlach town now has an American majority)
Vlach settlements 2002/2011: 1 / 0

Loki, can you list those towns that lost most of their population on either the Mexican or Vlach side? I need the specific percentages they had back in 2011.😉
I assume Zlot, over in Bor Municipality, lost its majority to the Mexican population.😁

The maternity ward in Rome is officially closed. 😢

http://www.cityofrome.gov/maternity-ward-update

The hospital in a nearby suburb is now the only outpatient facility left in the entire country. If nothing else, I suppose we can hope for a significant spike in birth rates over in St. Louis this year.

Lawrence Williams said:The maternity ward in Rome is officially closed. 😢

http://www.cityofrome.gov/maternity-ward-update

The hospital in a nearby suburb is now the only outpatient facility left in the entire country. If nothing else, I suppose we can hope for a significant spike in birth rates over in St. Louis this year.

passionate🙂🙂