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Are we at our happiest as children?

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Jacob Cooper5 Jacob Cooper5 Active Member
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#41 ·
Kids can get weighed down by their past and their future—just in their own unique way.
Anxiety (if you ask me) isn't just about hearing adults spout pessimistic expectations; it’s more like this deep-seated sense of unease, this gut feeling that something bad is about to repeat itself... an intuition of pain.
A child doesn't have the tools to pinpoint why they feel that dread, nor can they really articulate those feelings using adult vocabulary.
You see it all the time in movies—how people try to dig up the root cause behind things like sudden panic when seeing certain people, refusing to go to the doctor, constant crying, or even aggressive outbursts under specific circumstances.
I've always found decoding drawings pretty fascinating. 🙂

Most parents just don't have the training to see that what looks like harmless, quirky behavior might actually be a sign of a deep-rooted issue—something that needs identifying and addressing before it spirals.
That’s why we hear the phrase "childhood trauma" thrown around so much when explaining why adults struggle later in life.
So, personally, I think the idea that children exist in a state of pure, carefree bliss is just wrong.
Kids react to their environment in their own ways, and those reactions aren't always obvious.

Then there's the whole issue of perspective.
An adult isn't a child, and they never will be again. Life experience changes you.
Adults can only look back at their childhood memories from their present perspective. Sure, they might reconnect with some old feelings, but they’re looking at it as a completely different person, sitting in a totally different position within a different set of circumstances.
We tend to romanticize childhood because our current problems feel so heavy... but for a kid, their problems are just as overwhelming in the moment.
It really just comes down to the environment we live in and how we manage to navigate through the mess.
Jack Smith5 Jack Smith5 Active Member
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#42 ·
Nah, that’s what people call "living in the moment." Kids live in the present, just like drunks and the clinically insane. They don't give a damn about what happens tomorrow or what went down yesterday—and honestly, that's the whole point of being a drunk. Animals do the same thing. It seems like "normal" people are actually the ones who aren't functioning correctly; they're never truly present, always stuck dwelling on the past or obsessing over the future. Just look at how we operate. What's the first question you get when you walk into an interview for a job at a place like Goldman Sachs? "Where do you see yourself in five years?"
Richard Wells Richard Wells Active Member
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#43 ·
Jack Smith5 said:Nah, that’s what people call "living in the moment." Kids live in the present, just like drunks and the clinically insane. They don't give a damn about what happens tomorrow or what went down yesterday—and honestly, that's the whole point of being a drunk. Animals do the same thing. It seems like "normal" people are actually the ones who aren't functioning correctly; they're never truly present, always stuck dwelling on the past or obsessing over the future. Just look at how we operate. What's the first question you get when you walk into an interview for a job at a place like Goldman Sachs? "Where do you see yourself in five years?"

Look, you definitely need some kind of roadmap when it comes to work. Mixing up your personal life during an interview is a whole different story, but having a vision and a plan is essential. Private life is one thing, but in the professional world, you need direction. That said, I still think the real secret to happiness is staying positive and soaking up the little moments right now.
Joshua Adams41 Joshua Adams41 Member
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#44 ·
John Stewart9 said:Yeah, there are a few different reasons for that, but if we’re just talking about your typical, pretty standard, happy childhood—not the heavy, traumatic stuff...

Someone mentioned earlier how, during those early years, we basically soak up our first encounters with both the physical and emotional world, and man, the depth, intensity, and sheer vibrance of those moments are just impossible to replicate. They’re like these synesthetic snapshots that etch themselves deep into our consciousness and end up shaping who we become...

It’s definitely down to how kids perceive things; the big thing is that total lack of existential dread that hits you once you stop being a kid. You kind of lose that innocence the second you realize the weight of things—you know, that fear of death and finality, realizing everything and everyone is fleeting, the randomness of reality, the heavy burden of choice and responsibility, that feeling of being existentially alone, or even the sheer absurdity of wanting something and realizing it’s just impossible...
Those are just those raw, intuitive realizations that come with being human, regardless of whatever religion, culture, or ideology someone grows up with...

Sometimes I try to drift back into my own childhood, though it isn't always easy to dig through all the layers of meaning and experience that pile up over the years. It’s like those Proustian moments where a specific taste, a scent, a certain view, an old object, or even a person can suddenly pull you back into the past, making it feel like this parallel reality—almost like a "previous life," as some folks might say. For me, when I see someone wearing traditional rural clothing or hear a thick, old-fashioned Southern accent, it instantly brings me back to my grandma and the small town where I grew up, and then it's just one long chain of associations starting all over again...

I was lucky enough to have a really happy childhood, which is why I feel so much empathy and warmth for people whose childhoods were stolen from them. I have nothing but respect and genuine affection for them...

Memories are the only paradise from which we can never be expelled... (xy)

So now I’m wondering: did I stop being a child the moment I realized my entire future was completely screwed?😁
That the adult world has absolutely no place for me...

I look at today’s media landscape. They say you pass the "maturity test" when you graduate high school. Or when you finish college. Or when you hit sexual maturity. They say you reach adulthood when you...

But nobody ever mentions that true maturity comes when you become a self-reliant, independent person whose opinion actually carries weight. That isn't some milestone you check off a list; we all have that capacity...

You just have to let the older generation decide it's okay. It’s just another stage of growth through experience, I suppose...

And it makes me wonder: what were the foundations of modern America built upon? Was it students fighting tooth and nail for their rights, or students who actually gave a damn about society?

I'm expecting a massive protest. Knowledge isn't a commodity, because apparently, the price of a burger went up by two bucks.🙂

Clearly, these "kids" only start caring when the cost of a Big Mac spikes...

I’m a dreamer, I know. Just a moment ago, I had this dream where I was teaching someone a life lesson, but in the dream, this intellectual youth actually saw the bigger picture. They were ready to risk something meaningful...

But I'm such a fool for saying "knowledge isn't a commodity," when in reality, it’s the most expensive commodity there is...
The only people who can truly change this country are students, but unfortunately, they are still the happiest children around.

And some folk singer singing old breakup poems isn't going to change anything; it'll be the total acceptance of neo-capitalism instead.
If this generation of students has no intention of growing up, then all we’ll have left are memories of those college days when someone gave an inch...
Instead of times when they actually fought to change the future.
Because the present isn't just about the future, and if the students aren't the ones writing it, then the adults are doing it for them, aren't they?🙂
Steven Nelson13 Steven Nelson13 Newcomer
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#45 ·
I haven't scrolled through this entire thread yet, but I just had to chime in. Last year, after hitting a massive low point—just one of those stretches where life keeps throwing nothing but disappointments your way—I finally figured out what I want to be when I grow up. And honestly? I’m dead serious: I want to be a kid again. 😉
John Stewart9 John Stewart9 Member
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#46 ·
Joshua Adams41 said:So now I’m wondering: did I stop being a child the moment I realized my entire future was completely screwed?😁
That the adult world has absolutely no place for me...

I look at today’s media landscape. They say you pass the "maturity test" when you graduate high school. Or when you finish college. Or when you hit sexual maturity. They say you reach adulthood when you...

But nobody ever mentions that true maturity comes when you become a self-reliant, independent person whose opinion actually carries weight. That isn't some milestone you check off a list; we all have that capacity...

You just have to let the older generation decide it's okay. It’s just another stage of growth through experience, I suppose...

And it makes me wonder: what were the foundations of modern America built upon? Was it students fighting tooth and nail for their rights, or students who actually gave a damn about society?

I'm expecting a massive protest. Knowledge isn't a commodity, because apparently, the price of a burger went up by two bucks.🙂

Clearly, these "kids" only start caring when the cost of a Big Mac spikes...

I’m a dreamer, I know. Just a moment ago, I had this dream where I was teaching someone a life lesson, but in the dream, this intellectual youth actually saw the bigger picture. They were ready to risk something meaningful...

But I'm such a fool for saying "knowledge isn't a commodity," when in reality, it’s the most expensive commodity there is...
The only people who can truly change this country are students, but unfortunately, they are still the happiest children around.

And some folk singer singing old breakup poems isn't going to change anything; it'll be the total acceptance of neo-capitalism instead.
If this generation of students has no intention of growing up, then all we’ll have left are memories of those college days when someone gave an inch...
Instead of times when they actually fought to change the future.
Because the present isn't just about the future, and if the students aren't the ones writing it, then the adults are doing it for them, aren't they?🙂

Honestly, I have zero clue what you're getting at here, but hey, if you say so, I'll take your word for it...
Joshua Adams41 Joshua Adams41 Member
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#47 ·
John Stewart9 said:Honestly, I have zero clue what you're getting at here, but hey, if you say so, I'll take your word for it...

Look, I was specifically responding to this part: "there's definitely a childish perception at play here, driven by a total lack of that existential dread people finally face once they grow up, or rather, the reverse,"

The "media" hasn't prepared us for the real world; if anything, it’s done the exact opposite.
College students only actually get off their couches when the reality of existential dread starts knocking on their door.
Historically, students were the ones shifting the gears of history.
Nowadays, they only bother changing things (here in the States) when their own personal comfort is threatened.

Honestly, I haven't heard a single serious student protest regarding the actual state of society.
It's glaringly obvious: there is a complete absence of existential anxiety.🙂

And don't mistake this for just my opinion—this is the result of a professional mindset that demands abstract reasoning and logical connections.🙂

P.S.
So, can we logically conclude that students are still as blissfully happy as children?🙄
No... because the moment their own privileges are put on the line, that's when you finally hear them making noise.
John Mendoza13 John Mendoza13 MemberOP
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#48 ·
Joshua Adams41 said:Look, I was specifically responding to this part: "there's definitely a childish perception at play here, driven by a total lack of that existential dread people finally face once they grow up, or rather, the reverse,"

The "media" hasn't prepared us for the real world; if anything, it’s done the exact opposite.
College students only actually get off their couches when the reality of existential dread starts knocking on their door.
Historically, students were the ones shifting the gears of history.
Nowadays, they only bother changing things (here in the States) when their own personal comfort is threatened.

Honestly, I haven't heard a single serious student protest regarding the actual state of society.
It's glaringly obvious: there is a complete absence of existential anxiety.🙂

And don't mistake this for just my opinion—this is the result of a professional mindset that demands abstract reasoning and logical connections.🙂

P.S.
So, can we logically conclude that students are still as blissfully happy as children?🙄
No... because the moment their own privileges are put on the line, that's when you finally hear them making noise.

I honestly don't see the connection here. You take today's students—relatively young people, like myself—and I just can't wrap my head around what "rights" they're supposedly claiming to have or which specific liberties are being threatened. We aren't living under some old-school authoritarian regime where freedom of speech is actually suppressed, you know? From what I gather, those massive student protests were more of a thing back in the old days. Even just a few years ago, back in places like California, you saw that whole mess where certain politicians were just out there hunting for political points, and the students followed them blindly like sheep... it’s all just noise.
Angela Cox4 Angela Cox4 Active Member
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#49 ·
Eric Gray2 said:The problem is—that only works if you actually *had* a carefree childhood to begin with. For a lot of people out there, growing up felt more like a waking nightmare than anything else.

And honestly? Even when those kids grow up, I don't see them ever truly finding happiness—it’s hard to grasp the concept of joy when you never actually experienced it growing up. But here’s the real kicker: do they even know how to make someone else happy? How can you give anything back when everything was stripped away from you when you were just a kid? Giving doesn't bring them peace if they've got nothing left inside to offer.
Joshua Adams41 Joshua Adams41 Member
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#50 ·
John Mendoza13 said:I honestly don't see the connection here. You take today's students—relatively young people, like myself—and I just can't wrap my head around what "rights" they're supposedly claiming to have or which specific liberties are being threatened. We aren't living under some old-school authoritarian regime where freedom of speech is actually suppressed, you know? From what I gather, those massive student protests were more of a thing back in the old days. Even just a few years ago, back in places like California, you saw that whole mess where certain politicians were just out there hunting for political points, and the students followed them blindly like sheep... it’s all just noise.

Take the students as an example. They only step up when they're personally poked, but they should be the driving force, the future. They ought to be developing their own independent thoughts, yet they're already tangled up in political games and whatever else, just like you said. They only activate once their own interests are at stake. It's like they've been pushed into this state by someone or something.

I think the core issue is that people are becoming more aware of the world around them every single day.
Yesterday, it was guys in brand-new luxury cars trying to sell me on their "wisdom." I landed my first job, walked into a dealership to check out some cars, and boom—they tried to shove a contract in my face and hand me the keys right then and there. "Don't worry," they say, "our dealership has its own line of credit..."
And that's just how life works, I guess. The more you know, and the more you see, the bigger the battles you find yourself fighting...
Because the more you see, the more you can actually grab hold of...

And the more that slips through your fingers, the more dissatisfied you become...

That's probably how it goes. Everything eventually boils down to the man who doesn't have to live in a cave anymore. He's stepped out into the field, he sees beautiful women, prime cuts of meat to hunt, plenty of food to feast on, and then he realizes he actually has to stand in line for all of it.😁

So then we all start looking for ways to cut the line. The clever ones trade favors with the people who have better positions in line, and that's how the cycle continues...
We haven't moved much further from the cave; we're still hovering right next to it.🙂
John Mendoza13 John Mendoza13 MemberOP
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#51 ·
If anyone here has actually sat down and watched Stand by me, you probably noticed it feels like one of those coming-of-age movies meant mostly for kids, where the main guy is just looking back on his childhood. But there’s this bit at the very end, where he reflects on everything he just told us, and he says he was never happier than he was when he was twelve, and he never had friends quite as good as the ones he had back then...
Nicole Barrett76 Nicole Barrett76 Regular
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#52 ·
A close friend of mine once mentioned that he doesn't actually view childhood as life's happiest chapter, but rather suggests that the sweet spot lies somewhere between adolescence and middle age.

His perspective left me quite pensive, especially when he explained that while children are certainly protected, they suffer from such immense restrictions compared to us adults—after all, we at least possess the agency to pursue our own desires.

For instance, if one truly feels the urge to grab a drink, make a specific purchase, or decide whether or not to socialize with certain people, we can act on those impulses with far fewer repercussions than a child could; children are so strictly governed by disciplinary measures—which are, of course, necessary—that even the smallest mistake feels incredibly stifling.

How often is it that a young child struggles to distinguish fiction from reality or truth from falsehood, leaving them vulnerable to being frightened by boogeymen or various other tall tales that they believe with such earnest sincerity?

Reflecting on his insights has prompted me to frequently re-examine my own perceptions regarding what constitutes a happy childhood.
Jack Smith5 Jack Smith5 Active Member
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#53 ·
A few people here have already touched on this. When you're a kid, you live under a strict set of rules, boundaries, and limitations. But once you hit adulthood, you're essentially your own boss. Nobody is dictating your destiny anymore. If you find yourself miserable, that unhappiness is usually just the direct result of the paths you chose—your career, your job, or even the people you decide to surround yourself with. In short, if you're unhappy as an adult, you've got no one to blame but yourself. A child, however, isn't solely responsible for their misery during their upbringing.
steelheron46 steelheron46 Newcomer
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#54 ·
We usually associate childhood with this sense of total carefree bliss, making it seem like the easiest phase of life we'll ever go through... but that isn't always the reality. It really all boils down to your parents and how they raised you. ☕
Nicole Barrett76 Nicole Barrett76 Regular
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#55 ·
John Mendoza13 said:Sometimes I catch myself staring at a baby in a stroller and thinking about how lucky they are to just exist without a care in the world, mostly because they aren't even aware of how brutal things can get, while the rest of us are stuck grinding through work, school, and all the other endless responsibilities.

But what about the total lack of autonomy? What about when they can't change their clothes because they're too hot or too cold, or when they can't even express how they're feeling, or when they need a diaper change but have no way to ask for it?

Ugh, the sheer limitations of it all are enough to give one a headache.
Nicole Barrett76 Nicole Barrett76 Regular
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#56 ·
Jack Smith5 said:It's because they aren't actually given the chance to live happily or work with any sense of purpose. They're either forced into it, or they've just convinced themselves they have to settle—stuck in jobs they can't stand or trapped in family dynamics that drain them.

Is it not possible that, in many instances, we are witnessing a form of self-imposed censorship, a result of societal brainwashing, and a profound reluctance to actually exert the effort required to properly "reprogram" one's own life?

I know several career soldiers who endure a grueling four-hour daily commute just to reach their posts. They are away from home for thirteen hours a day, yet every single one of them specifically trained for this exact military life.

Many among them remain unmarried and without children; I highly doubt that celibacy is a conscious lifestyle choice for everyone in that group. Would it not be easier to simply accept these harsh conditions rather than having the courage to make a clean break and say, "I will not take on massive debt, I will not work this job, and I refuse to waste the best years of my life"? Why don't they seek counsel or request support—perhaps by saving money specifically for retraining and allowing themselves to be temporarily dependent on their parents, much like how some people rely on their mothers for laundry and meals indefinitely?
Joshua Lee9 Joshua Lee9 Newcomer
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#57 ·
Angela Cox4 said:And honestly? Even when those kids grow up, I don't see them ever truly finding happiness—it’s hard to grasp the concept of joy when you never actually experienced it growing up. But here’s the real kicker: do they even know how to make someone else happy? How can you give anything back when everything was stripped away from you when you were just a kid? Giving doesn't bring them peace if they've got nothing left inside to offer.

Based on my own experience, I can attest that this isn't always the case (though I am not suggesting it never is).
As a child growing up in a household devoid of harmony, where constant conflict was the norm, I was profoundly unhappy—so much so that it shaped my entire upbringing. It affected my elementary school years, my high school years, and even my ability to form friendships, as I lived in fear that people might discover the private struggles within my family... and it just continued like that.
Eventually, I moved 186 miles far away from home for college, and I experienced a total transformation. I found a new version of myself. I discovered happiness in peace, in silence, in long walks, and in the simple freedom to sit in a park and read a book without the constant pressure of someone hovering over me.
It is precisely because I lacked that sense of happiness early on that I strive to be there for those close to me, to support them, and to show them how much they matter. Everything that was withheld from me as a child, I have made it my mission to build for myself. And I intend to 🙂
frozenmoose93 frozenmoose93 Member
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#58 ·
I really think kids are the only ones who are actually happy.
Looking back, I was at my peak when I was little, and honestly, I doubt I’ll ever feel that carefree or fulfilled again. Growing up, getting older, all those heavy responsibilities and just life throwing stuff at you... it takes that away. I haven't met a single adult who's as genuinely happy and worry-free as a kid. 🤷
Austin Vaughn3 Austin Vaughn3 Member
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#59 ·
Kids aren't born happy or carefree by default. That’s a myth. They’re only happy and carefree if they live in an environment that actually allows it... just like adults.
crimsonpuma23 crimsonpuma23 Active Member
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#60 ·
Look, speaking from what I went through, I had a pretty great childhood—I wasn't lacking anything, period—but man, I was constantly living in fear. It feels like I started realizing how heavy the world is way too early. And that anxiety just kept snowballing, while everyone else totally brushed me off. They’d be like, "What are you freaking out about? You're a kid, you've got a roof over your head, you're safe, what else could you possibly need?"
I was just way too sensitive, and instead of building up some grit, I just ended up getting completely overwhelmed by it all.
I threw myself at everything under the sun trying to fix it, but nothing actually worked.
Honestly, I'm just pissed at myself now for throwing in the towel so early on.

I don't think there's some magic one-size-fits-all answer here because everyone's path is different. Every single experience is its own unique beast. But it's a cold hard fact that most people are at their happiest when they're young, mostly because of that bubble we live in—that feeling of being untouchable, having zero responsibilities, and having that raw curiosity that turns into actual passion.

I would give anything to have squeezed every last drop of potential out of those years because it would have paid off big time. It's too late to turn back the clock, but it's also damn hard to focus on the future when you feel like you're just ignoring the mess of the present. 🙂

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