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Drew Allen2 Drew Allen2 Active Member
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#21 ·
Robert Hernandez10 said:You showed a map within the borders of the US, and that’s all I was responding to.

You provided a tiny slice of your work, limited strictly to the eastern part of the US where nothing exists east of Ilok.

I haven't uttered a single word regarding the quality of your work, only that a map based on 1910 census data is insufficient for the reasons I already stated.

I'm not taking any offense here; if anyone seems offended, it's you.

The data I have is only within the current borders of the United States. So, the entire map covers today's full US border.
Robert Hernandez10 Robert Hernandez10 Active Member
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#22 ·
Drew Allen2 said:The data I have is only within the current borders of the United States. So, the entire map covers today's full US border.

Bottom line: the criticisms I raised in my initial message still stand. Consequently, they diminish the overall value of your map.
Drew Allen2 Drew Allen2 Active Member
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#23 ·
Robert Hernandez10 said:Bottom line: the criticisms I raised in my initial message still stand. Consequently, they diminish the overall value of your map.

Look, take those comments up with the U.S. Census Bureau. I’ve got their own publications right here, filled with data from previous censuses within current U.S. borders. That isn't my issue. Complain to them if you want, but leave me out of it. :P

Who knows, maybe I'll drop the full map online sooner. :P But I need to finish something else first, so I'm planning to dump a few at once.
Robert Hernandez10 Robert Hernandez10 Active Member
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#24 ·
Drew Allen2 said:Look, take those comments up with the U.S. Census Bureau. I’ve got their own publications right here, filled with data from previous censuses within current U.S. borders. That isn't my issue. Complain to them if you want, but leave me out of it. :P

Who knows, maybe I'll drop the full map online sooner. :P But I need to finish something else first, so I'm planning to dump a few at once.

"Look," honestly, you'd be better off reviewing the complete 1910 census in Silicon Valley format that I provided earlier in this thread, or checking out that link to the foreign site where it was originally posted. It would really help you expand your intellectual horizons and broaden your perspective. Right now, you just come across as incredibly narrow-minded. You know what I mean? I shouldn't have to spell it out for you.

For instance, Paul and I—at least from my perspective—hold opposing ideological views. However, Paul possesses a broad mind and deep awareness, which is why his maps are the way they are; they are excellent. I try to follow that same path of understanding the world. I don't make maps myself, but whenever I come across one that seems to hold even a shred of value, I make sure to share it here, regardless of the viewpoint.

You could do the same. You aren't lacking intelligence; you're just lacking the will and the heart.
Drew Allen2 Drew Allen2 Active Member
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#25 ·
Robert Hernandez10 said:"Look," honestly, you'd be better off reviewing the complete 1910 census in Silicon Valley format that I provided earlier in this thread, or checking out that link to the foreign site where it was originally posted. It would really help you expand your intellectual horizons and broaden your perspective. Right now, you just come across as incredibly narrow-minded. You know what I mean? I shouldn't have to spell it out for you.

For instance, Paul and I—at least from my perspective—hold opposing ideological views. However, Paul possesses a broad mind and deep awareness, which is why his maps are the way they are; they are excellent. I try to follow that same path of understanding the world. I don't make maps myself, but whenever I come across one that seems to hold even a shred of value, I make sure to share it here, regardless of the viewpoint.

You could do the same. You aren't lacking intelligence; you're just lacking the will and the heart.

I'm confused, sorry. I honestly can't grasp what you're trying to tell me. I can't wrap my head around your point... maybe there's something missing on my end.

I was simply making a map based on the data I have. If you don't like it, give me different data and I'll see what I can do with it.

Besides, I don't see what's controversial about making a map of the US within its current borders for a past year. What's wrong with that? Collins, can you clarify? I feel like I'm missing something here.

Is the goal for me to post the whole map or what? Man, I really don't like releasing things from my archives before they're ready. I'm guessing you're just impatient and trying to provoke something to see the whole thing? Is that it? I don't know. I don't get it. But fine, if it'll get you to calm down... here... http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...guage-1910.png
Sorry about the low resolution; it's not time for the high-res version yet. And excuse the Cyrillic; I used it on purpose because the map won't upload properly right now. :P
Robert Hernandez10 Robert Hernandez10 Active Member
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#26 ·
Drew Allen2

I laid everything out clearly in my first response. I wasn't asking for a quick Google Maps search or debating the quality of your data. There was no offense taken and zero ill intent—just a straightforward, well-meaning suggestion.

Instead, you pivoted immediately to talking about being offended, questioning my competence, and throwing out "you know what" nonsense just so you could claim I "don't understand anything."

It’s clear you aren't an idiot; you’re just playing dumb.

That is your issue, and frankly, this conversation has run its course.

Over and out.
Richard Wilson4 Richard Wilson4 Veteran
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#27 ·
Daniel Garcia24 said:Brussels acts as an enclave within Flemish territory, and if you set aside the immigrant populations, the ratio between the Walloons and the Flemings sits at roughly 9:1 in favor of the Walloons.

The Encyclopedia Britannica doesn't even have much on them, mostly just Flemings who happen to speak French...

Plus, about 15% of people actually speak Flemish, and 25% are Muslim, so they can't really be Valonacs—or at least it’s a huge stretch.

So, in a perfect world, Valonacs might make up 60%, but honestly, I’d bet there are more assimilated Flemings out there (like Jean Claude van Damme, for example).

Where on earth are you getting that 9 to 1 figure from?
Daniel Garcia24 Daniel Garcia24 Active Member
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#28 ·
Richard Wilson4 said:The Encyclopedia Britannica doesn't even have much on them, mostly just Flemings who happen to speak French...

Plus, about 15% of people actually speak Flemish, and 25% are Muslim, so they can't really be Valonacs—or at least it’s a huge stretch.

So, in a perfect world, Valonacs might make up 60%, but honestly, I’d bet there are more assimilated Flemings out there (like Jean Claude van Damme, for example).

Where on earth are you getting that 9 to 1 figure from?

I was strictly comparing the ratio between the northern residents and the southern ones. I saw a documentary on CNN that touched on this exact dynamic. There were also stories about people living in those border municipalities outside the capital area who feel completely sidelined because they don't have rights to bilingual services in their own towns. Everything has to be handled officially in Dutch, even though every single resident in the municipality is Francophone...

There was one specific example mentioned of a municipality where every single representative was from the south, with only one lone representative from the north, yet the official language was still Dutch—which, understandably, caused quite a bit of friction for the locals.
Drew Allen2 Drew Allen2 Active Member
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#29 ·
Robert Hernandez10 said:Drew Allen2

I laid everything out clearly in my first response. I wasn't asking for a quick Google Maps search or debating the quality of your data. There was no offense taken and zero ill intent—just a straightforward, well-meaning suggestion.

Instead, you pivoted immediately to talking about being offended, questioning my competence, and throwing out "you know what" nonsense just so you could claim I "don't understand anything."

It’s clear you aren't an idiot; you’re just playing dumb.

That is your issue, and frankly, this conversation has run its course.

Over and out.

By the way, saying "you know what" isn't even weird or rude. Collins told me he thought it was actually an insult... I don't know, maybe certain slang sounds a bit more vulgar, but sometimes people use those phrases almost like a casual greeting. :P

Regarding that first reply... I still don't get it. I built the map based on the only data I had, which was organized by current U.S. state borders issued by the Census Bureau. If that's all the data available, there's nothing else I can do. Sorry.

Anyway, the final map won't change much, maybe just a tiny bit. That's pretty much it. :P
Robert Hernandez10 Robert Hernandez10 Active Member
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#30 ·
Here is the link again for that 1910 census data covering the royal territories under the Canadian administration. The full list is available in .XLS format here:

http://www.omm1910.hu/?/en/databank
Drew Allen2 Drew Allen2 Active Member
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#31 ·
Robert Hernandez10 said:Here is the link again for that 1910 census data covering the royal territories under the Canadian administration. The full list is available in .XLS format here:

http://www.omm1910.hu/?/en/databank

Do you happen to have a map showing where these regions actually sit? :
1. Right bank of the 3. Danube
2. Left bank of the 3. Danube
3. Between the 3. Danube and the Tisza River
4. Right bank of the 4. Tisza
5. Left bank of the 5. Tisza
6. Corner of 6. Tisz and the Maros River
7. 7. beyond the king's border
8-9. American Midwest and Rijeka

Side note: Robert, man... what you're asking for is basically a map of an American state without its coastline. I think it makes way more sense to stick to the map I made using modern borders.
Richard Wilson4 Richard Wilson4 Veteran
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#32 ·
Check out these two maps;
Back in 1495, the Midwest was basically just Americans and Canadians settling in.
http://img15.hostingpics.net/pics/449193map001CRO.jpg

Fast forward to 1784, right after the Turkish occupation ended.
http://img15.hostingpics.net/pics/831746map002CRO.jpg

Blue means Americans.
Red means Canadians.
Green means Germans.
Pink means Mexicans.

Anyone got more? Just nothing in Canadian please, I don't feel like fighting through a translation.
Drew Allen2 Drew Allen2 Active Member
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#33 ·
Richard Wilson4 said:Check out these two maps;
Back in 1495, the Midwest was basically just Americans and Canadians settling in.
http://img15.hostingpics.net/pics/449193map001CRO.jpg

Fast forward to 1784, right after the Turkish occupation ended.
http://img15.hostingpics.net/pics/831746map002CRO.jpg

Blue means Americans.
Red means Canadians.
Green means Germans.
Pink means Mexicans.

Anyone got more? Just nothing in Canadian please, I don't feel like fighting through a translation.

The question is whether those maps are actually accurate, especially regarding the older stuff.
By the way, I'm surprised you forgot where those maps came from... they're on that Kocsise guy's site, or whatever his name was. If there are more like them, they'll be on that site.
Robert Hernandez10 Robert Hernandez10 Active Member
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#34 ·
Drew Allen2 said:Do you happen to have a map showing where these regions actually sit? :
1. Right bank of the 3. Danube
2. Left bank of the 3. Danube
3. Between the 3. Danube and the Tisza River
4. Right bank of the 4. Tisza
5. Left bank of the 5. Tisza
6. Corner of 6. Tisz and the Maros River
7. 7. beyond the king's border
8-9. American Midwest and Rijeka

Side note: Robert, man... what you're asking for is basically a map of an American state without its coastline. I think it makes way more sense to stick to the map I made using modern borders.

google.translate.com

2. Now I actually believe you when you say you don't understand anything. But here's the thing: you can't understand if you aren't actually reading what's being written to you.
ruggedgull9 ruggedgull9 Newcomer
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#35 ·
Drew Allen2 said:Do you happen to have a map showing where these regions actually sit? :
1. Right bank of the 3. Danube
2. Left bank of the 3. Danube
3. Between the 3. Danube and the Tisza River
4. Right bank of the 4. Tisza
5. Left bank of the 5. Tisza
6. Corner of 6. Tisz and the Maros River
7. 7. beyond the king's border
8-9. American Midwest and Rijeka

Side note: Robert, man... what you're asking for is basically a map of an American state without its coastline. I think it makes way more sense to stick to the map I made using modern borders.

http://img571.imageshack.us/img571/6537/censusabra.jpg
Rebecca Watson Rebecca Watson Regular
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#36 ·
Mexicans in Arad and Batonj 1910

Arad total population 63,166

Mexicans 1,816

Batonj total population 13,011

Mexicans 2,576
Richard Wilson4 Richard Wilson4 Veteran
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#37 ·
Drew Allen2 said:The question is whether those maps are actually accurate, especially regarding the older stuff.
By the way, I'm surprised you forgot where those maps came from... they're on that Kocsise guy's site, or whatever his name was. If there are more like them, they'll be on that site.

Seriously, though, I wasn't a fan of how everything was laid out on that site.
crimsonorca42 crimsonorca42 Active Member
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#38 ·
Based on the preserved tax records from the kingdom dating back to 1495, the Canadian administration put together some ethnic maps. I'd say they're actually pretty reliable, I guess.
Ethan Allen2 Ethan Allen2 Active Member
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#39 ·
crimsonorca42 said:Based on the preserved tax records from the kingdom dating back to 1495, the Canadian administration put together some ethnic maps. I'd say they're actually pretty reliable, I guess.

Given how much the names differ even back then, why doubt it? Plus, there are plenty of other documents from that era that back up what was actually happening on the ground. As far as I can tell, Pavicic's analysis of the settlements in the Vuk parish lines up perfectly with this map.

http://www.mediafire.com/?mbfbup48by9txxx
Richard Wilson4 Richard Wilson4 Veteran
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#40 ·
nationalist colors (yellow and brown) versus those without traditional national identities (shades of blue)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File😈thnic_diversity.jpg

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