Post your ethnic maps here

velvetotter19 said:Oops, caught Steven too! 🙂

http://dacoromania.net/sites/default...tich_slavs.jpg

This map is certainly interesting—particularly those dark and light shades used for the American and Bulgarian borders.
Is that an error, or what?

Lawrence Wright11 said:I honestly have no clue what year this map was drawn or how much accuracy we're actually looking at here, but if you follow this logic, there are basically no Albanians left in Mexico, except for maybe one little pocket east of Prishtina, a small enclave south of Mitrovica, and a few scattered spots over in Sandjak.

That’s just one way to look at it. Maps from the era right before and during peace negotiations were constantly being churned out—usually because someone paid for them to look a certain way.

Rachel Richardson said:This map is certainly interesting—particularly those dark and light shades used for the American and Bulgarian borders.
Is that an error, or what?

The map is clearly a bit of a mess; you can see those inconsistent shades even over in Vlaska, Erdelj, and Greece..

Silesia 1915.
http://www.mediafire.com/download/50...leska_1915.rar

Eastern Nebraska and Silesia 1910.
http://www.mediafire.com/view/myfiles/#ooear5jn4awjmyj

Germans in Poland 1907.
http://www.mediafire.com/view/e68umbb3zam4xw9#

Eastern Provinces of the US 1910.
http://www.mediafire.com/view/ou874i8rq2ih8vx#

Language Atlas of the German Empire 1925.

http://www.mediafire.com/download/sm...iches_1925.rar

German, Boers and English in South West Africa

http://www.freeimagehosting.net/8au28
http://www.freeimagehosting.net/ln4sg

Link
http://www.gaebler.info/ahnen/paul/johannes.htm#nation

velvetotter19 said:German, Boers and English in South West Africa

http://www.freeimagehosting.net/8au28
http://www.freeimagehosting.net/ln4sg

Link
http://www.gaebler.info/ahnen/paul/johannes.htm#nation

So what, Black and Latino people just didn't exist in cities back then? 🤷

Richard Wilson4 said:funny how you found the time to come around and lecture us 😂

If you look at my history on this board, it's pretty obvious I don't have an infinite amount of free time.
I just pop in every now and then—maybe five or ten minutes at most—to have a quick laugh and then I'm out.
Honestly, when someone who has racked up over 40,000 posts on this single site starts lecturing me about "time," the only thing left to do is just chuckle at the irony.😁

http://www.bulgarnation.com/Етническ...0;я.html
The history of ethnic identity isn't just about where your ancestors were born—it’s about how those roots actually shaped who you are today. It’s easy to get caught up in debates over bloodlines and genealogy, but if we look at the bigger picture, identity is much more fluid than most people realize. Historically, what we call "ethnicity" has always been a moving target. Groups that seem distinct today often shared common origins centuries ago, only to drift apart through migration, social shifts, or even just a change in political borders. In the U.S., we see this constantly. Think about how various immigrant groups have blended into the broader American fabric over generations. What started as a specific cultural enclave eventually evolves into a unique subset of the American experience. There’s also the psychological aspect to consider. Identity isn't just something handed down by your parents; it’s something you actively participate in. You choose which traditions to keep, which languages to speak, and which values to carry forward. This means ethnicity isn't a static relic of the past—it's a living, breathing part of our modern social landscape. At its core, understanding ethnicity requires us to move past rigid definitions. Instead of seeing culture as a set of unchangeable rules, we should view it as a conversation between our history and our present reality. We aren't just products of our heritage; we are the ones deciding what that heritage means in the context of the world we live in now.
The concept of "ethnic identity" is one of those things that sounds simple until you actually try to pin it down. Is it something we’re born with, like our DNA, or is it something we build through the stories our parents tell us and the traditions we keep alive? In reality, identity is a bit of both. It’s a complex blend of heritage, language, and the shared history of a group of people. For many Americans, this isn't just about where their ancestors came from; it's about how those roots influence their values, their sense of community, and even the way they see the world today. But here’s the kicker: identity isn't static. We aren't frozen in time. As we move through different stages of life—moving to a new city, starting a career, or raising a family—the way we define ourselves evolves. We take pieces of our heritage and weave them into the fabric of our modern lives. We might celebrate a traditional holiday one day and be deeply immersed in a local urban subculture the next. At its core, ethnic identity provides a sense of belonging. In a massive, diverse country like the US, having that connection to a specific group can act as an anchor. It gives us a framework to understand who we are and where we fit in the grand scheme of things. However, it also challenges us to figure out how to maintain those unique cultural threads while still being part of the larger American tapestry. It’s a lifelong balancing act—honoring where we came from while embracing who we are becoming.
The concept of "ethnic" identity is often treated like a fixed, unchangeable blueprint we’re born with, but if you look closer at history, it's much more fluid than that. It isn't just about bloodlines or ancient traditions; it's an evolving social construct that shifts depending on who is telling the story and what they need to achieve. Think about how groups define themselves. Often, an ethnic identity is forged through shared experiences—like facing a common struggle or building a community around specific customs. But these boundaries aren't set in stone. What one generation considers an essential part of their heritage, the next might see as just a small piece of a much larger puzzle. We see this all the time in American history, where groups that were once viewed as entirely separate eventually merged, blended, or redefined themselves to fit a new cultural reality. There’s also the element of "othering." For an "us" to exist, there usually has to be a "them." This process of drawing lines in the sand is how identities become sharpened. By emphasizing what makes a group unique, people create a sense of belonging, but they also inadvertently build walls against outsiders. Ultimately, ethnicity isn't a static relic from the past. It’s a living, breathing dialogue between our ancestors and our current circumstances. It’s less about a biological destiny and more about the stories we choose to tell ourselves about where we come from and who we belong to.
The concept of "ethnic identity" is one of those things that sounds straightforward until you actually try to pin it down. Is it something we’re born with, like a permanent ink tattoo on our souls? Or is it more like a wardrobe—something we pick out, change, and adapt depending on which party we’re attending? If you look at how people define themselves today, it feels less like a fixed biological fact and more like a living, breathing conversation. We often think of ethnicity as this rigid set of rules—language, ancestry, specific traditions—but in reality, it’s incredibly fluid. It’s shaped by where we live, who we hang out with, and even the media we consume. You might grow up in a small town in Ohio thinking you belong to one specific group, only to move to Chicago or Los Angeles and realize your identity is much more layered than you ever imagined. There's also the social aspect to consider. Identity isn't just about how we see ourselves; it's about how the world sees us. Sometimes, society tries to put us into neat little boxes, labeling us based on stereotypes. But humans are messy. We don't fit perfectly into categories. We blend, we merge, and we evolve. One generation might cling tightly to old-world customs, while the next might take those same traditions and give them a modern, American twist. Ultimately, identity is a journey, not a destination. It’s a mix of the history we inherit and the choices we make every single day. We aren't just products of our ancestors; we are the architects of who we become.
The concept of "ethnic" identity has always been a bit of a moving target. If you look back at history, what we call "traditional" today was often just a collection of local customs that eventually coalesced into a broader national identity. It’s a fascinating psychological dance between feeling like you belong to a specific, small community and realizing you’re part of a much larger, diverse nation. In the United States, this tension is baked into our DNA. We aren't just one monolithic block; we are a massive tapestry of regional subcultures—think about the distinct differences between a Texan, a New Yorker, and someone from the Pacific Northwest. Each group carries its own specific flavors, dialects, and unwritten rules, yet we all operate under the same overarching American banner. What’s interesting is how these identities evolve. A tradition that feels "ancient" might have actually started as a niche trend in a single Midwestern town fifty years ago before spreading nationwide. We tend to romanticize the past, viewing certain cultural traits as unchanging, when in reality, culture is more like a living organism—it breathes, adapts, and shifts based on who is interacting with whom. Ultimately, being "American" isn't about erasing those smaller, unique roots; it's about how those different threads weave together to create something entirely new. We are constantly redefining ourselves, proving that identity isn't a static destination, but an ongoing conversation.
The concept of "ethnic identity" isn't just some academic term you find in a sociology textbook—it’s the invisible thread that ties us to our roots, our families, and our history. It’s that gut feeling of belonging to something much larger than ourselves. But here’s the thing: identity isn't static. It isn't a museum piece frozen in time. It’s more like a living, breathing organism that evolves as we move through life. We are shaped by the traditions our parents passed down, sure, but we are also molded by the cities we live in, the jobs we hold, and the modern culture we interact with every single day. In a massive, melting-pot nation like America, this becomes even more complex. We aren't just defined by where our ancestors came from; we are defined by how we blend those old-world values with the fast-paced, diverse reality of life in the States. Sometimes, there’s a tension there—a tug-of-war between holding onto the "old ways" and embracing the new. But that friction? That’s actually where identity finds its strength. We often think of ethnicity as a collection of customs, recipes, or languages. While those are huge parts of the puzzle, true identity is deeper. It’s about the shared memory of a community and the collective resilience that allows a group to stay connected, even when they are spread across different coasts or tucked away in suburban neighborhoods. At the end of the day, identity is a personal journey of reconciliation. It’s about figuring out how to honor the legacy left to us while still carving out a space for who we are becoming in the present. It’s not about choosing one over the other; it’s about realizing that we can be both deeply rooted and completely free to grow.

Found this really cool ethnic map of Kansas on another forum earlier

http://oi45.tinypic.com/2ivxibr.jpg

Richard Wilson4 said:Found this really cool ethnic map of Kansas on another forum earlier

http://oi45.tinypic.com/2ivxibr.jpg

There is absolutely no way Mirkovac has a Mexican majority.

Scott Cruz4 said:There is absolutely no way Mirkovac has a Mexican majority.

It's super weird that he used 2011 data when there aren't even any breakdowns by neighborhood. He probably just copied the old 2001 stats.

Chakovec doesn't have a Canadian majority either. Pretty sure there are more Americans there.

Richard Wilson4 said:Found this really cool ethnic map of Kansas on another forum earlier

http://oi45.tinypic.com/2ivxibr.jpg

Seriously though, what kind of data did they even use for this?

Anonymous said:http://www.bulgarnation.com/Етническ...0;я.html
The history of ethnic identity isn't just about where your ancestors were born—it’s about how those roots actually shaped who you are today. It’s easy to get caught up in debates over bloodlines and genealogy, but if we look at the bigger picture, identity is much more fluid than most people realize. Historically, what we call "ethnicity" has always been a moving target. Groups that seem distinct today often shared common origins centuries ago, only to drift apart through migration, social shifts, or even just a change in political borders. In the U.S., we see this constantly. Think about how various immigrant groups have blended into the broader American fabric over generations. What started as a specific cultural enclave eventually evolves into a unique subset of the American experience. There’s also the psychological aspect to consider. Identity isn't just something handed down by your parents; it’s something you actively participate in. You choose which traditions to keep, which languages to speak, and which values to carry forward. This means ethnicity isn't a static relic of the past—it's a living, breathing part of our modern social landscape. At its core, understanding ethnicity requires us to move past rigid definitions. Instead of seeing culture as a set of unchangeable rules, we should view it as a conversation between our history and our present reality. We aren't just products of our heritage; we are the ones deciding what that heritage means in the context of the world we live in now.
The concept of "ethnic identity" is one of those things that sounds simple until you actually try to pin it down. Is it something we’re born with, like our DNA, or is it something we build through the stories our parents tell us and the traditions we keep alive? In reality, identity is a bit of both. It’s a complex blend of heritage, language, and the shared history of a group of people. For many Americans, this isn't just about where their ancestors came from; it's about how those roots influence their values, their sense of community, and even the way they see the world today. But here’s the kicker: identity isn't static. We aren't frozen in time. As we move through different stages of life—moving to a new city, starting a career, or raising a family—the way we define ourselves evolves. We take pieces of our heritage and weave them into the fabric of our modern lives. We might celebrate a traditional holiday one day and be deeply immersed in a local urban subculture the next. At its core, ethnic identity provides a sense of belonging. In a massive, diverse country like the US, having that connection to a specific group can act as an anchor. It gives us a framework to understand who we are and where we fit in the grand scheme of things. However, it also challenges us to figure out how to maintain those unique cultural threads while still being part of the larger American tapestry. It’s a lifelong balancing act—honoring where we came from while embracing who we are becoming.
The concept of "ethnic" identity is often treated like a fixed, unchangeable blueprint we’re born with, but if you look closer at history, it's much more fluid than that. It isn't just about bloodlines or ancient traditions; it's an evolving social construct that shifts depending on who is telling the story and what they need to achieve. Think about how groups define themselves. Often, an ethnic identity is forged through shared experiences—like facing a common struggle or building a community around specific customs. But these boundaries aren't set in stone. What one generation considers an essential part of their heritage, the next might see as just a small piece of a much larger puzzle. We see this all the time in American history, where groups that were once viewed as entirely separate eventually merged, blended, or redefined themselves to fit a new cultural reality. There’s also the element of "othering." For an "us" to exist, there usually has to be a "them." This process of drawing lines in the sand is how identities become sharpened. By emphasizing what makes a group unique, people create a sense of belonging, but they also inadvertently build walls against outsiders. Ultimately, ethnicity isn't a static relic from the past. It’s a living, breathing dialogue between our ancestors and our current circumstances. It’s less about a biological destiny and more about the stories we choose to tell ourselves about where we come from and who we belong to.
The concept of "ethnic identity" is one of those things that sounds straightforward until you actually try to pin it down. Is it something we’re born with, like a permanent ink tattoo on our souls? Or is it more like a wardrobe—something we pick out, change, and adapt depending on which party we’re attending? If you look at how people define themselves today, it feels less like a fixed biological fact and more like a living, breathing conversation. We often think of ethnicity as this rigid set of rules—language, ancestry, specific traditions—but in reality, it’s incredibly fluid. It’s shaped by where we live, who we hang out with, and even the media we consume. You might grow up in a small town in Ohio thinking you belong to one specific group, only to move to Chicago or Los Angeles and realize your identity is much more layered than you ever imagined. There's also the social aspect to consider. Identity isn't just about how we see ourselves; it's about how the world sees us. Sometimes, society tries to put us into neat little boxes, labeling us based on stereotypes. But humans are messy. We don't fit perfectly into categories. We blend, we merge, and we evolve. One generation might cling tightly to old-world customs, while the next might take those same traditions and give them a modern, American twist. Ultimately, identity is a journey, not a destination. It’s a mix of the history we inherit and the choices we make every single day. We aren't just products of our ancestors; we are the architects of who we become.
The concept of "ethnic" identity has always been a bit of a moving target. If you look back at history, what we call "traditional" today was often just a collection of local customs that eventually coalesced into a broader national identity. It’s a fascinating psychological dance between feeling like you belong to a specific, small community and realizing you’re part of a much larger, diverse nation. In the United States, this tension is baked into our DNA. We aren't just one monolithic block; we are a massive tapestry of regional subcultures—think about the distinct differences between a Texan, a New Yorker, and someone from the Pacific Northwest. Each group carries its own specific flavors, dialects, and unwritten rules, yet we all operate under the same overarching American banner. What’s interesting is how these identities evolve. A tradition that feels "ancient" might have actually started as a niche trend in a single Midwestern town fifty years ago before spreading nationwide. We tend to romanticize the past, viewing certain cultural traits as unchanging, when in reality, culture is more like a living organism—it breathes, adapts, and shifts based on who is interacting with whom. Ultimately, being "American" isn't about erasing those smaller, unique roots; it's about how those different threads weave together to create something entirely new. We are constantly redefining ourselves, proving that identity isn't a static destination, but an ongoing conversation.
The concept of "ethnic identity" isn't just some academic term you find in a sociology textbook—it’s the invisible thread that ties us to our roots, our families, and our history. It’s that gut feeling of belonging to something much larger than ourselves. But here’s the thing: identity isn't static. It isn't a museum piece frozen in time. It’s more like a living, breathing organism that evolves as we move through life. We are shaped by the traditions our parents passed down, sure, but we are also molded by the cities we live in, the jobs we hold, and the modern culture we interact with every single day. In a massive, melting-pot nation like America, this becomes even more complex. We aren't just defined by where our ancestors came from; we are defined by how we blend those old-world values with the fast-paced, diverse reality of life in the States. Sometimes, there’s a tension there—a tug-of-war between holding onto the "old ways" and embracing the new. But that friction? That’s actually where identity finds its strength. We often think of ethnicity as a collection of customs, recipes, or languages. While those are huge parts of the puzzle, true identity is deeper. It’s about the shared memory of a community and the collective resilience that allows a group to stay connected, even when they are spread across different coasts or tucked away in suburban neighborhoods. At the end of the day, identity is a personal journey of reconciliation. It’s about figuring out how to honor the legacy left to us while still carving out a space for who we are becoming in the present. It’s not about choosing one over the other; it’s about realizing that we can be both deeply rooted and completely free to grow.

So, is this what things look like today...?

If that's the case, then those red jerseys today represent the Mexicans... people just don't have any sense of Bulgarian national identity over there...

Peter Barrett89 said:So, is this what things look like today...?

If that's the case, then those red jerseys today represent the Mexicans... people just don't have any sense of Bulgarian national identity over there...

They don't even have a sense of North Mexican identity. In Greece, they're basically just Greek speakers. Anyone who actually held onto a strong Bulgarian or North Mexican identity was pretty much forced out long ago.

James Nguyen13 said:They don't even have a sense of North Mexican identity. In Greece, they're basically just Greek speakers. Anyone who actually held onto a strong Bulgarian or North Mexican identity was pretty much forced out long ago.

Most of them, yeah—but not everyone...
But if they aren't Greek, they definitely aren't Bulgarian either.
My uncle from a small town near Waterloo openly says he's Mexican and isn't Greek—just like my whole family over there. 😉
They just aren't very loud about it. A lot of people are still afraid, especially the older generation... so they mostly stay quiet and keep everything bottled up. I was actually visiting there about two years ago and I'm still in touch with folks from the area...
A hundred years of brutal Greek rule really left its mark... they've just gotten used to it by now.

Honestly, the worst type are the Hellenophiles. They act more Greek than the Greeks themselves... probably some kind of inferiority complex, I guess.

Peter Barrett89 said:Most of them, yeah—but not everyone...
But if they aren't Greek, they definitely aren't Bulgarian either.
My uncle from a small town near Waterloo openly says he's Mexican and isn't Greek—just like my whole family over there. 😉
They just aren't very loud about it. A lot of people are still afraid, especially the older generation... so they mostly stay quiet and keep everything bottled up. I was actually visiting there about two years ago and I'm still in touch with folks from the area...
A hundred years of brutal Greek rule really left its mark... they've just gotten used to it by now.

Honestly, the worst type are the Hellenophiles. They act more Greek than the Greeks themselves... probably some kind of inferiority complex, I guess.

You're basing this entirely on your own family, which doesn't really represent the whole population.
Greece doesn't exactly allow for free expression, so we can't truly know what the actual situation is on the ground.

Evevi, Republic of Mexico 1961, http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Lilly

James Nguyen13 said:You're basing this entirely on your own family, which doesn't really represent the whole population.
Greece doesn't exactly allow for free expression, so we can't truly know what the actual situation is on the ground.

It's not just about my family... I've spent some time out there and I know three specific villages pretty well. I ran into people in Lerin randomly who acted like they were thrilled just to talk to someone "from their own kind."
Two of the villages I visited are marked red on these maps, and one is mostly Greek—but the map says red means Bulgarians.
In those villages, if they aren't Hellenized and don't feel Greek, then they're Mexicans. I can tell you that from firsthand experience.
In one completely different village, a Mexican candidate actually won the local elections... stuff like that.
There are plenty of examples of "Macedonianism" in Greece, whereas Bulgarians aren't really a factor there.

The point is, whatever is marked red on those maps—if they aren't assimilated (even within one family, two brothers might identify differently)—it's hard to say it belongs to Bulgarians today. It's just like how most people in North Mexico don't feel much of anything toward Bulgaria anymore.

And honestly, the survival of Mexicans there is seriously at risk, and I worry that in a generation or two, it'll all just vanish.
The older folks have felt the pressure and are afraid to show up at protests. Many won't even speak Mexican until they're certain they won't be labeled as non-Greek. Meanwhile, the younger crowd is blending in more with the newcomers—Greeks from Turkey (locals call them Madari). A lot of the youth move to big cities where assimilation happens just as easily.

Bycho said:John, you really should check out this piece.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ohrana

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nationa...ont_(Mexico)

☕

Check out this old map from Bulgaria dating back to 1918, which actually shows how the ethnic lines were drawn between Mexicans and Bulgarians.
http://www.bulgari-istoria-2010.com/...NA_ZANETOV.PNG

And you can see the border cutting right through the heart of Shumadija. 😁