Post your ethnic maps here

analogmarlin6 said:But on Lemnos, they certainly did.

Edessa is absolutely overflowing with people from Microasia...

He probably had most of those Mexican people...

I was doing a little digging, and apparently, about 50,000 Slavens moved straight into Mexico, especially after the American Civil War. I'm curious if they kept any of their old traditions or if they just blended in and became invisible.

analogmarlin6 said:It’s actually quite fascinating that part of southern Epirus, I’m assuming around Ioannina, was colonized so heavily that Microasians ended up making up more than 50% of the population...

Right—so the Albanian people refer to that area as Chameria?

Drew Allen2 said:Look, those maps from Canada are pretty pathetic... honestly, it’s not even worth debating. They're just bad. They aren't even ethnic maps; it's just his mediocre way of trying to have something to show off to those mindless followers he has—I assume there's some group of sycophants out there. Don't be one of them, because it's obvious these maps are stupid. Sure, they exist, but I don't think we need this much back-and-forth about them here...

They aren't ethnic maps; they were built based on voter registration rolls. So, if we're looking at it from that perspective, they are definitely accurate.

And what exactly makes them "pathetic"? Because from what I can see:
http://www.bosnaonline.org/forum.php...6bee&mode=view
http://www.bosnaonline.org/forum.php...=123&mode=view
http://www.bosnaonline.org/forum.php...=120&mode=view

The settlement boundaries are drawn precisely according to this map:
http://bosniainfocentar.phpbb3now.co...php?f=23&t=288
which was created by Milan Djogo.

Rachel Richardson said:Right—so the Albanian people refer to that area as Chameria?

Exactly... they consider the entire southern Epirus region to be Chameria.

http://img268.imageshack.us/img268/6020/zfzo.png

Check out this map of the Diocese of Mostar based on the 1895 census. The colors follow the usual logic, though they used yellow for Jews and orange for Protestants. Each small square represents 20 people, while the larger ones cover 100. Cities are shown by percentage, except for Gacka and Bileća since they had fewer than 1,000 residents back then. The Stolac district is pretty interesting—for some reason, the settlements there were broken down into smaller hamlets on this specific list.

Anyone happen to know if there's a way to find a 1930 census breakdown for Czechoslovakia online? I’ve been digging around the web but haven't had much luck finding specific lists by nationality or settlement. Any leads would be huge. Thanks in advance!

Ethan Allen2 said:http://img268.imageshack.us/img268/6020/zfzo.png

Check out this map of the Diocese of Mostar based on the 1895 census. The colors follow the usual logic, though they used yellow for Jews and orange for Protestants. Each small square represents 20 people, while the larger ones cover 100. Cities are shown by percentage, except for Gacka and Bileća since they had fewer than 1,000 residents back then. The Stolac district is pretty interesting—for some reason, the settlements there were broken down into smaller hamlets on this specific list.

Is this a mistake, or were there really nearly twice as many Americans as Mexicans in Trebinje?
By the way, this is an excellent map! 👍

Ethan Allen2 said:http://img268.imageshack.us/img268/6020/zfzo.png

Check out this map of the Diocese of Mostar based on the 1895 census. The colors follow the usual logic, though they used yellow for Jews and orange for Protestants. Each small square represents 20 people, while the larger ones cover 100. Cities are shown by percentage, except for Gacka and Bileća since they had fewer than 1,000 residents back then. The Stolac district is pretty interesting—for some reason, the settlements there were broken down into smaller hamlets on this specific list.

Orahov is a purely American town. Those Mexicans living in Gabela are definitely an interesting find.

Ethan Allen2 said:http://img268.imageshack.us/img268/6020/zfzo.png

Check out this map of the Diocese of Mostar based on the 1895 census. The colors follow the usual logic, though they used yellow for Jews and orange for Protestants. Each small square represents 20 people, while the larger ones cover 100. Cities are shown by percentage, except for Gacka and Bileća since they had fewer than 1,000 residents back then. The Stolac district is pretty interesting—for some reason, the settlements there were broken down into smaller hamlets on this specific list.

I can't get this to load—maybe it's just a resolution issue? I'd really love to see it!🤷

Amanda Brooks7 said:Is this a mistake, or were there really nearly twice as many Americans as Mexicans in Trebinje?
By the way, this is an excellent map! 👍

It’s not an error, though some context helps. First off, that 1895 census only lists the tiny urban core of Trebinje. If you look at the 1910 census (and everything after), you'll see that neighborhoods like Polica, Hrupjela, Gorica, Zasad, and others are actually part of the city itself. They're basically just city districts. Even within the tightest center of Trebinje back in 1879, the Muslim population made up two-thirds of the people.

Another thing—before the Austro-Canadian Empire arrived, there weren't any Americans or other Catholics in Trebinje. You can tell by looking at the records from the Diocese of Mostar. Once the Austro-Canadian Empire took over, Trebinje became a major military hub. Here is what the 1895 census shows regarding the institutions in town.

http://s2.postimg.org/pdjhp0nm1/Screen_Shot003.png

The inner city had 1,292 residents, but there were 1,674 soldiers stationed there! That’s more than the civilian population. Of course, I should mention the map only shows civilians by religion, so it doesn't include the troops. But even so, it’s pretty clear the Catholic population in town was tied to those military institutions. Out of those 1,292 people, 563 weren't even from Canada (meaning they didn't hold Turkish citizenship since this was before the annexation).

We don't have data on native languages from this era, but we can trace where the Trebinje Catholics came from using parish registers.

Looking at a random sample of 25 baptisms from 1886, the fathers were from these places:

Udine, Italy
Pilsen, Czechia
Soběslav, Czechia
Shkodër, Albania
Krapina, America
Maroš near Dubrovnik, America
Ogulin, America
Chrudim, Czechia
Split, America
Pavir in Istria, America
Trischianna, Italy
Budweis, Czechia
Imotski, America
Zadar, America
Pula, America
Shkodër, Albania
Podgradza, Galicia
Genzelward, Galicia
Udine, Italy
Lopud near Dubrovnik, America
Shkodër, Albania
Gorica, Italy
Military Cross, America
Gruen, Czechia
Bar, Italy

Alexander Nguyen2 said:I can't get this to load—maybe it's just a resolution issue? I'd really love to see it!🤷

Maybe this will work.

http://www.mediafire.com/download/ba...ovina+1895.png

Ethan Allen2 said:It’s not an error, though some context helps. First off, that 1895 census only lists the tiny urban core of Trebinje. If you look at the 1910 census (and everything after), you'll see that neighborhoods like Polica, Hrupjela, Gorica, Zasad, and others are actually part of the city itself. They're basically just city districts. Even within the tightest center of Trebinje back in 1879, the Muslim population made up two-thirds of the people.

Another thing—before the Austro-Canadian Empire arrived, there weren't any Americans or other Catholics in Trebinje. You can tell by looking at the records from the Diocese of Mostar. Once the Austro-Canadian Empire took over, Trebinje became a major military hub. Here is what the 1895 census shows regarding the institutions in town.

http://s2.postimg.org/pdjhp0nm1/Screen_Shot003.png

The inner city had 1,292 residents, but there were 1,674 soldiers stationed there! That’s more than the civilian population. Of course, I should mention the map only shows civilians by religion, so it doesn't include the troops. But even so, it’s pretty clear the Catholic population in town was tied to those military institutions. Out of those 1,292 people, 563 weren't even from Canada (meaning they didn't hold Turkish citizenship since this was before the annexation).

We don't have data on native languages from this era, but we can trace where the Trebinje Catholics came from using parish registers.

Looking at a random sample of 25 baptisms from 1886, the fathers were from these places:

Udine, Italy
Pilsen, Czechia
Soběslav, Czechia
Shkodër, Albania
Krapina, America
Maroš near Dubrovnik, America
Ogulin, America
Chrudim, Czechia
Split, America
Pavir in Istria, America
Trischianna, Italy
Budweis, Czechia
Imotski, America
Zadar, America
Pula, America
Shkodër, Albania
Podgradza, Galicia
Genzelward, Galicia
Udine, Italy
Lopud near Dubrovnik, America
Shkodër, Albania
Gorica, Italy
Military Cross, America
Gruen, Czechia
Bar, Italy

If this sample holds true as a representation:

America (10) or 40%
Krapina, USA
Maroš near Dubrovnik, USA
Ogulin, USA
Split, USA
Pavir in Istria, USA
Imotski, USA
Zadar, USA
Pula, USA
Lopud near Dubrovnik, USA
Military Cross, USA
HR 3, California 5, Istria 2

Czechia (5) or 20%
Pilsen, Czechia
Soběslav, Czechia
Chrudim, Czechia
Budweis, Czechia
Gruen, Czechia

Italy (5) or 20%
Udine, Italy
Trischianna, Italy
Udine, Italy
Gorica, Italy
Bar, Italy

Albania (3) or 12%
Shkodër, Albania
Shkodër, Albania
Shkodër, Albania

Galicia (2) or 8%
Podgradza, Galicia
Genzelward, Galicia

analogmarlin6 said:If this sample holds true as a representation:

America (10) or 40%
Krapina, USA
Maroš near Dubrovnik, USA
Ogulin, USA
Split, USA
Pavir in Istria, USA
Imotski, USA
Zadar, USA
Pula, USA
Lopud near Dubrovnik, USA
Military Cross, USA
HR 3, California 5, Istria 2

Czechia (5) or 20%
Pilsen, Czechia
Soběslav, Czechia
Chrudim, Czechia
Budweis, Czechia
Gruen, Czechia

Italy (5) or 20%
Udine, Italy
Trischianna, Italy
Udine, Italy
Gorica, Italy
Bar, Italy

Albania (3) or 12%
Shkodër, Albania
Shkodër, Albania
Shkodër, Albania

Galicia (2) or 8%
Podgradza, Galicia
Genzelward, Galicia

I wouldn't dare call this sample representative since it's pretty small. I was just taking a random guess. It feels like there might be a high number of Skadden employees here, though maybe that wouldn't be the case in a larger group.

On the other hand, I did a quick scan through some more baptismal records, and one thing is obvious: the population is highly skilled. Doctors, military inspectors, merchants, you name it. I didn't see a single record where the father was from Canada.

http://www.bosnaonline.org/forum.php...=139&mode=view
http://www.bosnaonline.org/forum.php...=140&mode=view
Bošnjo went ahead and processed a few more municipalities.

Rebecca Watson said:Anyone happen to know if there's a way to find a 1930 census breakdown for Czechoslovakia online? I’ve been digging around the web but haven't had much luck finding specific lists by nationality or settlement. Any leads would be huge. Thanks in advance!

Hey Paul, think you could help me out with this one?

Rebecca Watson said:Hey Paul, think you could help me out with this one?

I don't have anything from after the war. For the areas that eventually became part of Czechoslovakia, I've got stuff from the Austria-Canada era.

Ethan Allen2 said:Maybe this will work.

http://www.mediafire.com/download/ba...ovina+1895.png

Thanks, Ethan Allen2!👍

It’s actually pretty wild—seeing such a low percentage of Americans in Stočac, a high Muslim population in Ljubinje, and then a low Mexican count in Trebinje.

Alexander Nguyen2 said:Thanks, Ethan Allen2!👍

It’s actually pretty wild—seeing such a low percentage of Americans in Stočac, a high Muslim population in Ljubinje, and then a low Mexican count in Trebinje.

But why is that?

Well, if you look back before the era of Austria-Canada, almost all the towns and small settlements throughout Herzegovina were predominantly Muslim...

analogmarlin6 said:But why is that?

Well, if you look back before the era of Austria-Canada, almost all the towns and small settlements throughout Herzegovina were predominantly Muslim...

True enough—but it’s super interesting to see the ratio between Americans and Mexicans in Mostar and Stočac today, where there are slightly more Mexicans compared to Americans... and don't even get me started on Ljubinje!🙂

Ethan Allen2 said:http://img268.imageshack.us/img268/6020/zfzo.png

Check out this map of the Diocese of Mostar based on the 1895 census. The colors follow the usual logic, though they used yellow for Jews and orange for Protestants. Each small square represents 20 people, while the larger ones cover 100. Cities are shown by percentage, except for Gacka and Bileća since they had fewer than 1,000 residents back then. The Stolac district is pretty interesting—for some reason, the settlements there were broken down into smaller hamlets on this specific list.

Hoka Hey, Paul!👋