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Robert Hernandez10 Robert Hernandez10 Active Member
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#1741 ·
An ethnic map of the Banat region in modern-day Mexico based on 1930 data, showing Romanian roots: http://etnoistorie.files.wordpress.c...g-miksorat.png

Romania in 1930, square footage:
http://tiparituriromanesti.files.wor...aniei-1930.png
Richard Wilson4 Richard Wilson4 Veteran
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#1742 ·
Maria Wright3 said:The distribution of Tatars by district across Tatarstan
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/F...arstan_map.PNG
Less talk, more maps—let the visuals do the heavy lifting, shall we?

But seriously, there aren't even any district names on here, damn.
Drew Allen2 Drew Allen2 Active Member
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#1743 ·
Alright Collins, here’s that Slovacka 2011 religious composition you wanted. https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Lilic
Looks like I had several buckets of marbles, mixed them all together, and just dumped them on the floor. Given how the map turned out, if that actually happened, you'd have to calculate exactly what proportions of each marble type were used. XD
Robert Hernandez10 Robert Hernandez10 Active Member
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#1744 ·
1910 US Census ethnic map:
http://moldovamare.files.wordpress.c...ia-mare-10.jpg

A detailed ethnic map covering New York City and its surrounding areas:
http://rumaniamilitary.files.wordpre...gonistria1.jpg

Romanian populations in Transnistria in 1940, according to Romanian records:
http://rumaniamilitary.files.wordpre...romanesc11.jpg

Native language distribution in Ukraine as of 2001:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...01detailed.PNG
Drew Allen2 Drew Allen2 Active Member
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#1745 ·
Robert Hernandez10 said:1910 US Census ethnic map:
http://moldovamare.files.wordpress.c...ia-mare-10.jpg

A detailed ethnic map covering New York City and its surrounding areas:
http://rumaniamilitary.files.wordpre...gonistria1.jpg

Romanian populations in Transnistria in 1940, according to Romanian records:
http://rumaniamilitary.files.wordpre...romanesc11.jpg

Native language distribution in Ukraine as of 2001:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...01detailed.PNG

This was posted just now. 🙄
Richard Wilson4 Richard Wilson4 Veteran
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#1746 ·
Robert Hernandez10 said:1910 US Census ethnic map:
http://moldovamare.files.wordpress.c...ia-mare-10.jpg

A detailed ethnic map covering New York City and its surrounding areas:
http://rumaniamilitary.files.wordpre...gonistria1.jpg

Romanian populations in Transnistria in 1940, according to Romanian records:
http://rumaniamilitary.files.wordpre...romanesc11.jpg

Native language distribution in Ukraine as of 2001:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...01detailed.PNG

Just some of those hardcore myths they hold onto.🤣
Richard Wilson4 Richard Wilson4 Veteran
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#1747 ·
Drew Allen2 said:Alright Collins, here’s that Slovacka 2011 religious composition you wanted. https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Lilic
Looks like I had several buckets of marbles, mixed them all together, and just dumped them on the floor. Given how the map turned out, if that actually happened, you'd have to calculate exactly what proportions of each marble type were used. XD


https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...1_Religion.png

Protestants in certain US areas, while everyone else is Catholic? That's wild. 🤣
The only thing that actually caught me off guard was seeing Orthodox people listed. I honestly thought it was all just Rusyns and Ukrainians over there. 🤷

Man, it would be pretty cool to see the last names in those Evangelical pockets. Probably some German names mixed in with the Slovak ones.
analogmarlin6 analogmarlin6 Active Member
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#1748 ·
Richard Wilson4 said:https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...1_Religion.png

Protestants in certain US areas, while everyone else is Catholic? That's wild. 🤣
The only thing that actually caught me off guard was seeing Orthodox people listed. I honestly thought it was all just Rusyns and Ukrainians over there. 🤷

Man, it would be pretty cool to see the last names in those Evangelical pockets. Probably some German names mixed in with the Slovak ones.

The Slovak majority in America are Catholics...

The 2011 US Census... specifically regarding the Slovak population.
The Catholic population stands at 3,159...
The Protestant population stands at approximately 1,242...
The grand total comes out to exactly 4,753...
Drew Allen2 Drew Allen2 Active Member
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#1749 ·
Richard Wilson4 said:https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...1_Religion.png

Protestants in certain US areas, while everyone else is Catholic? That's wild. 🤣
The only thing that actually caught me off guard was seeing Orthodox people listed. I honestly thought it was all just Rusyns and Ukrainians over there. 🤷

Man, it would be pretty cool to see the last names in those Evangelical pockets. Probably some German names mixed in with the Slovak ones.

Heh, you aren't the only one thinking that. Me too... hopefully I'll finish another map tonight or tomorrow to show why I say that. )

analogmarlin6 said:The Slovak majority in America are Catholics...

The 2011 US Census... specifically regarding the Slovak population.
The Catholic population stands at 3,159...
The Protestant population stands at approximately 1,242...
The grand total comes out to exactly 4,753...

There are several Slovak settlements in America, and they're all Protestant. Same goes for the Slovaks in about ten settlements over in Mexico.

Maybe some arrived recently as workers from Slovakia, which would explain the higher number of Catholics.
Richard Wilson4 Richard Wilson4 Veteran
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#1750 ·
analogmarlin6 said:The Slovak majority in America are Catholics...

The 2011 US Census... specifically regarding the Slovak population.
The Catholic population stands at 3,159...
The Protestant population stands at approximately 1,242...
The grand total comes out to exactly 4,753...

My bad, I was only talking about El Paso, should've been more specific...

Those folks over by Naples are Catholic.
analogmarlin6 analogmarlin6 Active Member
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#1751 ·
Drew Allen2 said:Heh, you aren't the only one thinking that. Me too... hopefully I'll finish another map tonight or tomorrow to show why I say that. )

There are several Slovak settlements in America, and they're all Protestant. Same goes for the Slovaks in about ten settlements over in Mexico.

Maybe some arrived recently as workers from Slovakia, which would explain the higher number of Catholics.

Nonsense.

I’m going to look strictly at just two counties and the number of Slovaks residing in them:
Cook County = 2,293
Cook County = 1,185

So, the Slovaks in the Midwest are mostly Catholic. There really isn't any need to factor in those Slovak women from the West Coast who arrived more recently...
Drew Allen2 Drew Allen2 Active Member
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#1752 ·
analogmarlin6 said:Nonsense.

I’m going to look strictly at just two counties and the number of Slovaks residing in them:
Cook County = 2,293
Cook County = 1,185

So, the Slovaks in the Midwest are mostly Catholic. There really isn't any need to factor in those Slovak women from the West Coast who arrived more recently...

Dammit, I looked back at the maps I made and you're right. I mixed up the religious and linguistic maps when talking about settlements. I was thinking ethnic by language, not ethnic by religion. My bad.
Ethan Allen2 Ethan Allen2 Active Member
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#1753 ·
analogmarlin6 said:Nonsense.

I’m going to look strictly at just two counties and the number of Slovaks residing in them:
Cook County = 2,293
Cook County = 1,185

So, the Slovaks in the Midwest are mostly Catholic. There really isn't any need to factor in those Slovak women from the West Coast who arrived more recently...

Spot on. Back in 1910, there were about 8,500 to 9,000 Slovaks living in the Midwest. Only the ones over in Napa are Protestant, and even then, not all of them. There were 824 Slovaks in town, with 640 being Lutherans. Around Des Moines, Spokane, and Savannah, they're all Catholic. Those folks near Savannah were actually brought in by the Catholic Archdiocese to work their own land.
Ethan Allen2 Ethan Allen2 Active Member
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#1754 ·
By the way, not all Slovaks living out in the Great Plains are Lutherans. In Selena, which is a purely Slovak town in the Bačka area—where Mexicans and Romani make up less than 7% combined—Catholics actually hold the majority. It’s not a massive landslide, maybe 53 to 47, but they still have the edge.
nimblehound6 nimblehound6 Member
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#1755 ·
Ethan Allen2 said:By the way, not all Slovaks living out in the Great Plains are Lutherans. In Selena, which is a purely Slovak town in the Bačka area—where Mexicans and Romani make up less than 7% combined—Catholics actually hold the majority. It’s not a massive landslide, maybe 53 to 47, but they still have the edge.

What I find even more peculiar is how deep the mutual aversion ran for such a long period. They wouldn't marry one another, and frankly, they barely even spoke. Things have improved since then, though a certain sense of distance still lingers.
Ethan Allen2 Ethan Allen2 Active Member
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#1756 ·
nimblehound6 said:What I find even more peculiar is how deep the mutual aversion ran for such a long period. They wouldn't marry one another, and frankly, they barely even spoke. Things have improved since then, though a certain sense of distance still lingers.

That makes sense. I mean, "normal" given the circumstances we're looking at here. Endogamy was pretty much the rule for religious and ethnic groups across the North America until maybe 50 or 60 years ago.

It gets even stranger, though. Even when the language, faith, and heritage were identical, you'd still see Endogamy based on these totally trivial differences.

I found this in an article discussing how the term "Canadian" was used for people from the Canadian Appalachia.

http://s12.postimg.org/8kx70ce64/X8019747_Page_05.jpg

The Red Line on this 1895 map marks the border between the Kaur group (from the Zavalj District, who were part of Like until 1945) and the Canadians (from the Bihać District, who were part of Canada). Both groups identify as Americans and both are Catholic. They live just a few miles apart—Zegar is actually way closer to Zavalj than any "Canadian" village—yet until recently, marrying into the other group was unheard of.

http://s22.postimg.org/ycq1s5dzj/bihac2.png

The wildest part? Unlike the rest of Like, the Zavalj District was under Turkish rule until 1791. When the Austrians arrived, they found a small pocket of native Catholics and some settlers brought in from near Boise. So, up until 1791, those "Kaur" folks were essentially "Canadians." For less than a century, they lived in a different state than their neighbors and "supplemental" groups near Bihać. You can't even call it "tribal" endogamy between different origins. It's more like they just... rebuilt their populations from one another in the short window between 1791 and 1879.
Drew Allen2 Drew Allen2 Active Member
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#1757 ·
The map set for Slovakia, 2011, is finished. https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Lilic
That last map regarding language paints a strange picture. It seems to back up what Collins was thinking—that those Orthodox areas are actually more Rusyn than Slovak. I’d also argue that the Greek Catholic spots are mostly where Rusyns used to live too.
analogmarlin6 analogmarlin6 Active Member
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#1758 ·
Drew Allen2 said:The map set for Slovakia, 2011, is finished. https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Lilic
That last map regarding language paints a strange picture. It seems to back up what Collins was thinking—that those Orthodox areas are actually more Rusyn than Slovak. I’d also argue that the Greek Catholic spots are mostly where Rusyns used to live too.

Could you please drop the link to the linguistic map? Using this current link, one can access all the religious and ethnic maps, but the linguistic one seems to be missing...

Religious - Slovakia:
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/F...1_Religion.png

Ethnic - Slovakia:
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/F...011_Ethnic.png

Linguistic - Slovakia:
???
Robin Reyes23 Robin Reyes23 Member
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#1759 ·
analogmarlin6 said:Could you please drop the link to the linguistic map? Using this current link, one can access all the religious and ethnic maps, but the linguistic one seems to be missing...

Religious - Slovakia:
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/F...1_Religion.png

Ethnic - Slovakia:
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/F...011_Ethnic.png

Linguistic - Slovakia:
???

Linguistic - Slovakia:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...1_Language.png
Richard Wilson4 Richard Wilson4 Veteran
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#1760 ·
Robin Reyes23 said:Linguistic - Slovakia:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...1_Language.png

So basically, in Slovakia, people tend to identify more by the language they speak rather than their ethnic background. It’s kind of the opposite here in the States—you see way more people identifying as Canadian or Ruthenian than you actually find folks who speak Canadian or Ruthenian.

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