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Where is this world heading? - thoughts on tech, morality, and the modern Western man

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frozenbison42 frozenbison42 MemberOP
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#1 ·
We’ve merged several threads into one massive discussion hub where you can vent about everything you feel is broken regarding modern society, this world, modern life, the West, and all those similar concepts. Please respect the same rules that apply to the rest of the sub-forum. Thanks for understanding. 🙂

The Psychology Mod.


I’m speaking directly to those of you who either live in the West or deal with Westerners enough in your professional lives to actually have an opinion on it.

Have you noticed—like I have—that narcissism in the West has become totally commonplace? And more importantly, is it actually increasing?

With every passing generation, it seems more and more people are becoming completely swallowed by their own egos. Everyone treats their personality like a sacred relic; they view themselves as infallible, and any critique of their persona is treated as a literal desecration of their freedom.

If we set aside blaming the economic system ("capitalism") or our political structure ("modern democracy"), we’re still left with the cold reality that Americans have turned into a collection of tiny kings or even minor deities, each ruling their own little kingdom. I’ve lost count of how many times I’ve realized that under these conditions, sorry, but no friendship or human connection can actually survive. Would you believe me if I told you that even parents aren't considered more sacred than "Me and My Stances" anymore? So much for the commandment "Honor thy father and mother," right?

So, how do we reverse this disgraceful downward spiral?
I’m asking you as fellow travelers—someone from Georgia, untainted by this specific brand of Western narcissism and not yet brainwashed by an American education system that insists narcissism is the engine of progress. (That whole idea is monstrously stupid, and frankly, it goes way beyond capitalist theory, which suggests that society should ideally be driven by self-interest.)

(There are plenty of people here who are convinced of this, and they aren't to blame; when faced with such a seductive argument about "freedom" and "living your truth," the human mind is often defenseless. In the end, we always end up back at the same old pattern: small-minded people are narcissists about trivialities, while the "great intellectuals"—the big thinkers—are ultra-narcissists; but narcissism itself? It's universal.)
Linda Ward3 Linda Ward3 Member
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I’ve been noticing this growing obsession with individualism out there in the West. Ever since the Industrial Revolution kicked in and those large, extended family networks started dissolving, we had a brief window where the traditional family unit actually held steady. But then, as everything drifted toward decadence—where tradition just gets traded in for instant gratification and fleeting moments—even the nuclear family began to fracture. You see it everywhere: skyrocketing divorce rates, kids being given way too much autonomy, the relentless creep of capitalism into every corner of our existence, and now, this technological revolution that we’re all blindly consuming without even realizing how much it's changing us. All these forces colliding have created this intense trend of turning inward on oneself, placing an almost religious faith in one's own abilities. People feel they have zero time for anything that doesn't serve their specific "hustle," living under this constant, looming threat that if you stop pedaling in this socially engineered direction, you'll be branded a failure or a nobody, totally unworthy of 😕modern life
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It makes sense, really. When you're being squeezed by all these invisible pressures, you naturally start treating the self as the ultimate value, which leads straight into narcissism. People feel forced to perform; everything they do becomes a calculated move to polish their own image. What most people don't realize is that they are turning themselves and their very desires into something grotesque—needs that aren't even truly theirs, but were manufactured or at least heavily suggested by external forces.

Given the spirit of this era, I don't think we can really blame people for being narcissistic.
Rachel Johnson11 Rachel Johnson11 Newcomer
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#3 ·
Narcissism is all about dosage. If modern society tried to eradicate it entirely, we’d essentially be breeding a race of termites. You need a certain level of it; honestly, it's often the engine behind progress that actually benefits everyone in the long run. I'd argue that countries like Denmark or Sweden are leading the way when it comes to balancing narcissism, humility, and altruism during upbringing. Of course, hitting that perfect sweet spot is an impossible task.
Jason Clark4 Jason Clark4 Member
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I’ve been chewing on this topic for a while, so apologies if I should have brought this up sooner. Mods, feel free to move this over to the psychology sub-forum if you think it fits better there.

I remember a time when I was barely aware of what was happening in the world around me. I remember hanging out, a different pace of life, and people just feeling more present. Back then, "recession" was just a term for economics majors, "tablet" meant a piece of chocolate, and terms like "sharing" or "liking" didn't exist. For me, the shift started around 2010—though maybe the seeds were planted back in 2008.

As much as I used to cheer for technological progress and welcomed Facebook and all that other digital noise with open arms, I find myself hating the whole mess now.

Privacy is essentially a relic of the past; we all know it. The constant grip on smartphones, tablets, and various gadgets is spiraling out of control to the point where people are completely tethered to their devices and social media.

Looking at the people around me, I suspect chiropractors and massage therapists are thriving because everyone walks around with their heads permanently tilted down toward a screen. I pass the local grocery store and the clerk is glued to a phone; I go to the dealership for car service and the receptionist is scrolling through Facebook; I see a friend from across the street, but she's too busy checking in on her phone to notice me. I didn't even wave. Even at a coffee shop, you'll see a couple 😁 just staring at their own respective Facebook feeds.🙂

It hit me then that my vision of the future—back in 2005—has shifted from something bright to something quite grim.

Social culture is shifting. It feels like a certain part of the West is bleeding into our way of life, and frankly, it isn't looking good. It feels less like progress and more like a scene straight out of *Idiocracy*.

Friends and acquaintances mostly stay inside at night; nobody goes out anymore. Everyone is hunkered down in their little digital boxes. I’ll take a walk through the neighborhood and the streets are empty. No one is out there. It’s eerie. Where did everybody go?

I remember laughing at Rydler (Jim Carrey) in *Batman* because of his obsession with those little boxes when I was a kid.😁

What is the future actually going to look like?🤷

I used to be skeptical when people predicted depression would become one of the top health crises by 2020, but that skepticism has evaporated. It seems like psychiatrists and psychologists have been drowning in work for years now.

I’ve thrown a lot of thoughts into this thread. I could write an entire book on this, but this is just the core of what's on my mind right now. It might seem a bit disjointed, but that's the gist of it.

What’s your take? Have we become addicts to technology? Have we traded genuine human connection for digital convenience? And what kind of fallout are we looking at?
frozenbison42 frozenbison42 MemberOP
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Rachel Johnson11 said:Narcissism is all about dosage. If modern society tried to eradicate it entirely, we’d essentially be breeding a race of termites. You need a certain level of it; honestly, it's often the engine behind progress that actually benefits everyone in the long run. I'd argue that countries like Denmark or Sweden are leading the way when it comes to balancing narcissism, humility, and altruism during upbringing. Of course, hitting that perfect sweet spot is an impossible task.

But where do we actually draw the line?

It’s pretty obvious, right? No single person can love the entire world. But you absolutely have to love the people in your immediate orbit. First and foremost, it’s your family and your friends—they should come before anyone else, and there’s no such thing as a sacrifice being too great for them. As for everyone else walking around out there? Well, you just give what you can, whenever you can manage it.
frozenbison42 frozenbison42 MemberOP
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Linda Ward3 Asks:
I’ve been noticing something lately about the West—there seems to be this massive, relentless shift toward extreme individualism. If you look back at history, once the Industrial Revolution hit and those large, extended family networks started splintering, we at least held onto the concept of the traditional family for a while. But how did we get here? It feels like widespread decadence caused tradition to lose its grip, trading long-term values for immediate gratification and fleeting pleasures. Eventually, even the nuclear family started falling apart. You see it everywhere: skyrocketing divorce rates, the push for total child autonomy, and that relentless spirit of capitalism that somehow manages to seep into every single corner of our lives. And let’s not even get started on the technological revolution. We’re basically mindless consumers of it, moving through a digital landscape without even realizing how much it’s reshaping our brains. When you stack all of that up, you end up with this massive, overwhelming trend toward... well, looking inward. Is anyone else feeling this isolation, or is it just me? To oneself.It’s all about that relentless, almost cult-like devotion to self-belief and your own "potential," isn't it? We’re told to obsess over our individual paths to success, sacrificing every waking second to nothing but the grind. It’s like we aren't allowed to have a hobby or a moment of stillness unless it somehow feeds into our personal brand. And the pressure? It’s suffocating. If you dare to stop pedaling—if you step off that treadmill that society has so carefully laid out for you—you’re immediately branded a failure. A loser. Someone who simply isn't "cut out" for modern life. Is it actually ambition, or just a cleverly designed trap to keep us running until we collapse?😕

It’s perfectly normal, really, for a person to take all those subconscious pressures they aren't even aware of and twist them into some sort of "core value," eventually spiraling into a bit of a narcissist. You’re just trying to survive, right? So you end up doing everything under the guise of self-improvement, thinking you're building a better version of yourself when, in reality, you're just performing. What most people don't realize is that they're turning themselves—and their own needs—into a total grotesque. These aren't even your actual, primal desires; they're just things imposed on you from the outside, or at least handed to you by modern society. Isn't it strange how we spend our whole lives polishing an image that wasn't even ours to begin with?

In the spirit of modern society, I honestly don't think there's any room left to complain about how narcissistic everyone has become.

But wait—what if you aren't actually the only one who sees this? What if it’s not just a "you" problem, but a collective thing? Like, what if people in modern society simply find their own version of equilibrium within the chaos and just... decide to roll along with it? Is that how it works? Does everyone just find a way to sync up with the madness and call it a day?

The progressives in this country love to preach that the life we lead is entirely on our own shoulders—that we're solely responsible for our own outcomes. And honestly? I used to buy into that. I really did. I actually looked at anyone who didn't share that mindset as being, well, limited. Narrow-minded, even. But now? I'm starting to wonder if I was just being naive. Is it really that simple?

It’s only when it hits you out of nowhere—that sudden, jarring realization that absolutely nothing in this world is guaranteed, not even the life we're living right now—that you actually start to think. You know? You just sit there and wonder...

Maybe this constant internal friction—this heavy, crushing resistance I’ve been feeling throughout this entire diet—isn't actually some kind of cosmic punishment or bad luck. Is it possible I'm just digging my heels in because I can't stand how people act? Is that what this is?

If an average person grows up surrounded by garbage music, sooner or later they’re just going to get used to it. It becomes background noise; you eventually forget how bad it actually was. Now, if you’ve got a slightly more sensitive ear? You won't forget. You can't. But I suppose you eventually just learn to settle for the reality that decent talent is hard to find. Is that just how it works?

What actually happens when someone who truly understands great music hears something terrible for the very first time? Especially if they have a sensitive ear? Is it just an annoyance, or is it a genuine sensory violation?

As someone who’s just visiting, I’ve spent some time observing how people interact around here, and honestly? It was pretty stomach-turning. I’m not saying I’m pointing fingers at anyone in particular—I think I was actually being way too polite to even attempt to blame them—but man, it was unpleasant. I guess I just have a bit of a sensitive streak; I think I inherited that from my parents, well... let's just say I saw things that made my skin crawl, even when they had absolutely nothing to do with me.

Now that I’ve actually grown up, looking back at everything, it hits me... that resistance we felt was actually against our own decadence, just like you pointed out. It feels like the weight is on us now to shield our kids from it. Because if we raise a generation that has absolutely no clue what it means to be human, they’re just going to end up tearing each other apart. And honestly? Capitalism won't be the villain in that scenario—we will be.
Morgan Gonzalez30 Morgan Gonzalez30 Newcomer
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#7 ·
Privacy isn't really about the tech itself; it's more about how you choose to play the game with it.
Rachel Johnson11 Rachel Johnson11 Newcomer
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#8 ·
Eminem has a solid track on this topic. 🙂
To be blunt: I think our obsession with new tech is just a fresh way to stay miserable. We’re basically just hunting for a slightly more tolerable version of unhappiness, and right now, Facebook is the trendy way to do it....
Joseph Miller12 Joseph Miller12 Newcomer
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Lately, looking objectively at my friends, family, and society at large, I can't help but feel that morality is in a steep decline—especially among the younger generation.
To be fair, I’m part of that demographic myself, and the question of ethics keeps weighing on me. I see guys idolizing career criminals and girls chasing after influencers like 😁, fueled by the trash media constantly pumps into our heads. It’s hard not to wonder where the compass went.
But getting back to the point: how do we actually foster moral development? What is the core essence of morality, and why does it even matter for a person to have it?
boldheron6 boldheron6 Newcomer
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Look, modern tech is absolutely killer if you actually know how to use it right instead of just messing around.
dustylynx14 dustylynx14 Newcomer
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I’ve recently come to the conclusion that being a normal person in today's world is an incredibly rare feat. It’s a paradox—normality has become a scarce commodity, and apparently, it isn't "cool" anymore. Everyone seems obsessed with being eccentric or finding some niche subculture to cling to; they crave this hyper-individualism that usually just turns them into caricatures—mostly because they lack the depth to realize they're just swapping one shallow template or ideology for another. What’s your take? Personally, I think simply being a regular, straightforward person is enough of an exception these days. I strive for that, but whenever I deal with the people around me, I feel overwhelmed—they just refuse to acknowledge my ordinariness. What about you? Are you chasing that desperate need to be "special," even if it feels forced, or are you like me—just trying to be an ordinary person who wants nothing more than a simple life? Someone might argue: "Simplicity? You're asking for too much."
Linda Ward3 Linda Ward3 Member
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dustylynx14 said:I’ve recently come to the conclusion that being a normal person in today's world is an incredibly rare feat. It’s a paradox—normality has become a scarce commodity, and apparently, it isn't "cool" anymore. Everyone seems obsessed with being eccentric or finding some niche subculture to cling to; they crave this hyper-individualism that usually just turns them into caricatures—mostly because they lack the depth to realize they're just swapping one shallow template or ideology for another. What’s your take? Personally, I think simply being a regular, straightforward person is enough of an exception these days. I strive for that, but whenever I deal with the people around me, I feel overwhelmed—they just refuse to acknowledge my ordinariness. What about you? Are you chasing that desperate need to be "special," even if it feels forced, or are you like me—just trying to be an ordinary person who wants nothing more than a simple life? Someone might argue: "Simplicity? You're asking for too much."

That’s an interesting question—or perhaps more of a statement of fact. If I could call myself a simple, unburdened, and approachable person who remains open to the differences in others—meaning I don't judge, mock, or subject their uniqueness to some pseudo-critical evaluation based on my own personal yardstick as if it were some universal truth—then yes, that is certainly a virtue.

Reading back my own sentence now, I realize that, for instance, being concise is definitely not one of my virtues (oops, a little 😬self-deprecating
)...
But now, moving ON —to be tolerant while still maintaining your own backbone, built from a lifelong developing consciousness and an open conscience, having ideals, believing in what you do, and lacking that arrogance where you puff yourself up over those with less skill, but instead accepting them in the beauty of what they offer and finding common ground... that is what makes an ordinary person virtuous.

To me, being "ordinary" doesn't mean being a mediocre person with a foggy worldview; rather, it's a virtue that involves holding your own insights and values without imposing them on others, letting them grow through interaction and sharing them within the community.

What you call being "normal"—which you say is such a rarity in modern times—I would rephrase as being integrative. It’s difficult, though, given how much we are exposed to fleeting trends and the weakening of family cohesion, which should be the primary force providing a solid foundation for a young person's character through responsible parenting. With that foundation eroding, parents—who, even when together, are working so hard and simply don't have enough time for upbringing—leave children to grow up increasingly under the influence of things that aren't healthy or normal. We see a parallel process in adults due to this new social economy and sociology of relationships that promotes "living for the moment," where everything must be unforgettable and extraordinary right now.
Linda Ward3 Linda Ward3 Member
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#13 ·
Joseph Miller12 said:Lately, looking objectively at my friends, family, and society at large, I can't help but feel that morality is in a steep decline—especially among the younger generation.
To be fair, I’m part of that demographic myself, and the question of ethics keeps weighing on me. I see guys idolizing career criminals and girls chasing after influencers like 😁, fueled by the trash media constantly pumps into our heads. It’s hard not to wonder where the compass went.
But getting back to the point: how do we actually foster moral development? What is the core essence of morality, and why does it even matter for a person to have it?

We could go on forever theorizing about this. We could write entire textbooks.
But if you want the bottom line? At its core, morality is being able to look anyone straight in the eye. It's about being able to stand before yourself and others without any shame—living by that principle of "if I didn't step up to help, I failed." Essentially, it's about having a clean conscience instead of hiding behind excuses.
To me, morality means that even when you *do* have power, you refuse to use it for your own gain if it means stepping on someone else.
dustylynx14 dustylynx14 Newcomer
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Linda Ward3 said:That’s an interesting question—or perhaps more of a statement of fact. If I could call myself a simple, unburdened, and approachable person who remains open to the differences in others—meaning I don't judge, mock, or subject their uniqueness to some pseudo-critical evaluation based on my own personal yardstick as if it were some universal truth—then yes, that is certainly a virtue.

Reading back my own sentence now, I realize that, for instance, being concise is definitely not one of my virtues (oops, a little 😬self-deprecating
)...
But now, moving ON —to be tolerant while still maintaining your own backbone, built from a lifelong developing consciousness and an open conscience, having ideals, believing in what you do, and lacking that arrogance where you puff yourself up over those with less skill, but instead accepting them in the beauty of what they offer and finding common ground... that is what makes an ordinary person virtuous.

To me, being "ordinary" doesn't mean being a mediocre person with a foggy worldview; rather, it's a virtue that involves holding your own insights and values without imposing them on others, letting them grow through interaction and sharing them within the community.

What you call being "normal"—which you say is such a rarity in modern times—I would rephrase as being integrative. It’s difficult, though, given how much we are exposed to fleeting trends and the weakening of family cohesion, which should be the primary force providing a solid foundation for a young person's character through responsible parenting. With that foundation eroding, parents—who, even when together, are working so hard and simply don't have enough time for upbringing—leave children to grow up increasingly under the influence of things that aren't healthy or normal. We see a parallel process in adults due to this new social economy and sociology of relationships that promotes "living for the moment," where everything must be unforgettable and extraordinary right now.

Unfortunately, I don't see any real drive for integration anymore. All I see is a desperate need to impose oneself, a craving for uniqueness, pure selfishness, and sheer pretension... In this massive heap of identities, choices, genres, subcultures, and hyper-consumerism, all I find is garbage—not even a shred of authenticity. Must we really resort to caricatures and eccentricity—actually, outright nastiness—just to satisfy this obsession with individuality and being special? Honestly, I'm just looking for a simple, straightforward person to meet...🤷 But it's proving impossible. God, everywhere I turn, I'm surrounded by cynicism, a mountain of crap, and these "original" negative stories that aren't even creative... Give me a break!
Linda Ward3 Linda Ward3 Member
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dustylynx14 said:Unfortunately, I don't see any real drive for integration anymore. All I see is a desperate need to impose oneself, a craving for uniqueness, pure selfishness, and sheer pretension... In this massive heap of identities, choices, genres, subcultures, and hyper-consumerism, all I find is garbage—not even a shred of authenticity. Must we really resort to caricatures and eccentricity—actually, outright nastiness—just to satisfy this obsession with individuality and being special? Honestly, I'm just looking for a simple, straightforward person to meet...🤷 But it's proving impossible. God, everywhere I turn, I'm surrounded by cynicism, a mountain of crap, and these "original" negative stories that aren't even creative... Give me a break!

I agree with you; I was merely presenting that as a collection of ideals regarding a certain level of normality. However, please keep in mind that all that aggressive posturing, the selfishness, and the pomposity? Often, it’s just a costume. People wearing fake layers because they actually crave real, primal values—things like love and friendship.

Try approaching people simply. Be sincere, be the kind of person you wish they were, and I truly believe many of them—even those hiding behind masks and various personas—will respond from their true core. At least, that’s been my experience.🙂
Don't hold it against people, except for those outward displays. Quite often, those behaviors aren't even a choice; they are caught in the gears of complex sociological forces that dictate their pace and direction, effectively erasing who they actually are. Most people aren't even aware of it, but that doesn't mean the seed of normalcy isn't there.🙂

Personally, I've experienced times when people were being trashed—"they're like this, they're like that"—and I suspect those rumors came from people who had actually interacted with them. Yet, on the flip side, my own interaction with that very same person would be a completely different story altogether.

Just let your desire to meet a normal, down-to-earth person guide how you carry yourself. I believe if you do, someone like that will eventually drift your way.
Linda Ward3 Linda Ward3 Member
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dustylynx14 said:Unfortunately, I don't see any real drive for integration anymore. All I see is a desperate need to impose oneself, a craving for uniqueness, pure selfishness, and sheer pretension... In this massive heap of identities, choices, genres, subcultures, and hyper-consumerism, all I find is garbage—not even a shred of authenticity. Must we really resort to caricatures and eccentricity—actually, outright nastiness—just to satisfy this obsession with individuality and being special? Honestly, I'm just looking for a simple, straightforward person to meet...🤷 But it's proving impossible. God, everywhere I turn, I'm surrounded by cynicism, a mountain of crap, and these "original" negative stories that aren't even creative... Give me a break!

I noticed you edited your post. Could you elaborate on what you mean by this cynical environment, the pile of garbage, and those negative stories?

In what way are those negative stories struggling to be original?
dustylynx14 dustylynx14 Newcomer
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#17 ·
Linda Ward3 said:I agree with you; I was merely presenting that as a collection of ideals regarding a certain level of normality. However, please keep in mind that all that aggressive posturing, the selfishness, and the pomposity? Often, it’s just a costume. People wearing fake layers because they actually crave real, primal values—things like love and friendship.

Try approaching people simply. Be sincere, be the kind of person you wish they were, and I truly believe many of them—even those hiding behind masks and various personas—will respond from their true core. At least, that’s been my experience.🙂
Don't hold it against people, except for those outward displays. Quite often, those behaviors aren't even a choice; they are caught in the gears of complex sociological forces that dictate their pace and direction, effectively erasing who they actually are. Most people aren't even aware of it, but that doesn't mean the seed of normalcy isn't there.🙂

Personally, I've experienced times when people were being trashed—"they're like this, they're like that"—and I suspect those rumors came from people who had actually interacted with them. Yet, on the flip side, my own interaction with that very same person would be a completely different story altogether.

Just let your desire to meet a normal, down-to-earth person guide how you carry yourself. I believe if you do, someone like that will eventually drift your way.

Now, this—I actually like this. 🙂 It offers a glimmer of hope—not that everything hasn't already gone to hell—but that we might actually pull through.

I try to approach people with sincerity—treating them exactly how I’d want to be treated myself. I truly believe many will respond from their core, even those hiding behind various social masks or professional titles. At least, that's been my experience. 🙂
Don't be so quick to judge people—especially when their outward behavior isn't even a choice. Most folks just get caught in the gears of complex social structures that dictate their pace and direction—effectively stripping away their agency. It’s easy to overlook, but I've seen it myself—there is almost always a seed of normalcy buried deep within them.🙂

An interesting perspective—certainly worth considering.🙂 Yes, forgiveness is necessary—but sometimes, one simply cannot escape that sense of Camus. Foreigner. Even if the world is an alienated place—and let's face it, it is.

I have personally witnessed people being torn apart by rumors—claims about who they are or how they act—often fueled by those who actually know them. Yet, in my own experience, I have dealt with that exact same individual and had an entirely different encounter.

Honestly—as time goes on—I’m finding myself leaning more toward quantum physics. It makes sense—that reality is essentially whatever we shape it to be—and that parallel universes and a billion different outcomes for a single situation are actually out there.

Let your desire to meet a regular, everyday person be your guide—if you can manage that—and I trust it will lead you exactly where you need to go.

I remain hopeful. 🙂 And I'm just hoping—fingers crossed, really—that I manage to stay sane through all this. :P

Linda Ward3 said:I noticed you edited your post. Could you elaborate on what you mean by this cynical environment, the pile of garbage, and those negative stories?

In what way are those negative stories struggling to be original?

I couldn't tell you. It’s just that genuine conversation and actual social connection are becoming increasingly rare. 🤷 I simply find myself lacking the desire to socialize...

P.S. Are you trying to psychoanalyze me now? 😛 😁
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Linda Ward3 said:I’ve been noticing this growing obsession with individualism out there in the West. Ever since the Industrial Revolution kicked in and those large, extended family networks started dissolving, we had a brief window where the traditional family unit actually held steady. But then, as everything drifted toward decadence—where tradition just gets traded in for instant gratification and fleeting moments—even the nuclear family began to fracture. You see it everywhere: skyrocketing divorce rates, kids being given way too much autonomy, the relentless creep of capitalism into every corner of our existence, and now, this technological revolution that we’re all blindly consuming without even realizing how much it's changing us. All these forces colliding have created this intense trend of turning inward on oneself, placing an almost religious faith in one's own abilities. People feel they have zero time for anything that doesn't serve their specific "hustle," living under this constant, looming threat that if you stop pedaling in this socially engineered direction, you'll be branded a failure or a nobody, totally unworthy of 😕modern life
.
It makes sense, really. When you're being squeezed by all these invisible pressures, you naturally start treating the self as the ultimate value, which leads straight into narcissism. People feel forced to perform; everything they do becomes a calculated move to polish their own image. What most people don't realize is that they are turning themselves and their very desires into something grotesque—needs that aren't even truly theirs, but were manufactured or at least heavily suggested by external forces.

Given the spirit of this era, I don't think we can really blame people for being narcissistic.

To me, this inward turn and this surge of narcissism feel more like total alienation and loss of direction. It’s as if we are intentionally being made lonely, yet massified (quite the paradox) to become easy to manipulate. This version of "individuality" is actually an incredible project for the system to achieve painless, absolute dominance over the person. A brilliant democratic maneuver to establish final totalitarian control—exactly what Orwell wrote about long ago. In short: don't use brute force, just feed them the illusion of freedom, and—voilà—you have the perfect consumer.
Linda Ward3 Linda Ward3 Member
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#19 ·
dustylynx14 said:Now, this—I actually like this. 🙂 It offers a glimmer of hope—not that everything hasn't already gone to hell—but that we might actually pull through.

I try to approach people with sincerity—treating them exactly how I’d want to be treated myself. I truly believe many will respond from their core, even those hiding behind various social masks or professional titles. At least, that's been my experience. 🙂
Don't be so quick to judge people—especially when their outward behavior isn't even a choice. Most folks just get caught in the gears of complex social structures that dictate their pace and direction—effectively stripping away their agency. It’s easy to overlook, but I've seen it myself—there is almost always a seed of normalcy buried deep within them.🙂

An interesting perspective—certainly worth considering.🙂 Yes, forgiveness is necessary—but sometimes, one simply cannot escape that sense of Camus. Foreigner. Even if the world is an alienated place—and let's face it, it is.

I have personally witnessed people being torn apart by rumors—claims about who they are or how they act—often fueled by those who actually know them. Yet, in my own experience, I have dealt with that exact same individual and had an entirely different encounter.

Honestly—as time goes on—I’m finding myself leaning more toward quantum physics. It makes sense—that reality is essentially whatever we shape it to be—and that parallel universes and a billion different outcomes for a single situation are actually out there.

Let your desire to meet a regular, everyday person be your guide—if you can manage that—and I trust it will lead you exactly where you need to go.

I remain hopeful. 🙂 And I'm just hoping—fingers crossed, really—that I manage to stay sane through all this. :P

I couldn't tell you. It’s just that genuine conversation and actual social connection are becoming increasingly rare. 🤷 I simply find myself lacking the desire to socialize...

P.S. Are you trying to psychoanalyze me now? 😛 😁

Well, if you like it, then good for you : ) . Honestly, things have a way of proving that life isn't quite as scary as we think, and that Nada isn't such a terrifying figure after all.😉

dustylynx14 said:Now, this—I actually like this. 🙂 It offers a glimmer of hope—not that everything hasn't already gone to hell—but that we might actually pull through.

I try to approach people with sincerity—treating them exactly how I’d want to be treated myself. I truly believe many will respond from their core, even those hiding behind various social masks or professional titles. At least, that's been my experience. 🙂
Don't be so quick to judge people—especially when their outward behavior isn't even a choice. Most folks just get caught in the gears of complex social structures that dictate their pace and direction—effectively stripping away their agency. It’s easy to overlook, but I've seen it myself—there is almost always a seed of normalcy buried deep within them.🙂

An interesting perspective—certainly worth considering.🙂 Yes, forgiveness is necessary—but sometimes, one simply cannot escape that sense of Camus. Foreigner. Even if the world is an alienated place—and let's face it, it is.

I have personally witnessed people being torn apart by rumors—claims about who they are or how they act—often fueled by those who actually know them. Yet, in my own experience, I have dealt with that exact same individual and had an entirely different encounter.

Honestly—as time goes on—I’m finding myself leaning more toward quantum physics. It makes sense—that reality is essentially whatever we shape it to be—and that parallel universes and a billion different outcomes for a single situation are actually out there.

Let your desire to meet a regular, everyday person be your guide—if you can manage that—and I trust it will lead you exactly where you need to go.

I remain hopeful. 🙂 And I'm just hoping—fingers crossed, really—that I manage to stay sane through all this. :P

I couldn't tell you. It’s just that genuine conversation and actual social connection are becoming increasingly rare. 🤷 I simply find myself lacking the desire to socialize...

P.S. Are you trying to psychoanalyze me now? 😛 😁

I’d love for you to elaborate on how you view that alienation. How does it manifest within your own reasoning?
Do you feel like people simply can't reach you, or is it more that you feel no need to listen to them because they don't seem close to you at first glance?

We've touched on the idea of masks, but it leaves me wondering: do you wear a mask yourself to prevent people—who might be more like you than you realize—from truly seeing you?
If we go back to that first point, everyone is in their own mask, and you are in yours. You pass each other by, even though perhaps you are both searching for the exact same kind of normalcy?
If you do wear a mask, what is its purpose? What is it made of? Answer those questions for yourself, or here. Perhaps then you'll grasp the essence of that alienation.

dustylynx14 said:Now, this—I actually like this. 🙂 It offers a glimmer of hope—not that everything hasn't already gone to hell—but that we might actually pull through.

I try to approach people with sincerity—treating them exactly how I’d want to be treated myself. I truly believe many will respond from their core, even those hiding behind various social masks or professional titles. At least, that's been my experience. 🙂
Don't be so quick to judge people—especially when their outward behavior isn't even a choice. Most folks just get caught in the gears of complex social structures that dictate their pace and direction—effectively stripping away their agency. It’s easy to overlook, but I've seen it myself—there is almost always a seed of normalcy buried deep within them.🙂

An interesting perspective—certainly worth considering.🙂 Yes, forgiveness is necessary—but sometimes, one simply cannot escape that sense of Camus. Foreigner. Even if the world is an alienated place—and let's face it, it is.

I have personally witnessed people being torn apart by rumors—claims about who they are or how they act—often fueled by those who actually know them. Yet, in my own experience, I have dealt with that exact same individual and had an entirely different encounter.

Honestly—as time goes on—I’m finding myself leaning more toward quantum physics. It makes sense—that reality is essentially whatever we shape it to be—and that parallel universes and a billion different outcomes for a single situation are actually out there.

Let your desire to meet a regular, everyday person be your guide—if you can manage that—and I trust it will lead you exactly where you need to go.

I remain hopeful. 🙂 And I'm just hoping—fingers crossed, really—that I manage to stay sane through all this. :P

I couldn't tell you. It’s just that genuine conversation and actual social connection are becoming increasingly rare. 🤷 I simply find myself lacking the desire to socialize...

P.S. Are you trying to psychoanalyze me now? 😛 😁

There is absolutely nothing wrong with believing that. 🙂
I actually follow the consequences of that line of thinking myself : D

dustylynx14 said:Now, this—I actually like this. 🙂 It offers a glimmer of hope—not that everything hasn't already gone to hell—but that we might actually pull through.

I try to approach people with sincerity—treating them exactly how I’d want to be treated myself. I truly believe many will respond from their core, even those hiding behind various social masks or professional titles. At least, that's been my experience. 🙂
Don't be so quick to judge people—especially when their outward behavior isn't even a choice. Most folks just get caught in the gears of complex social structures that dictate their pace and direction—effectively stripping away their agency. It’s easy to overlook, but I've seen it myself—there is almost always a seed of normalcy buried deep within them.🙂

An interesting perspective—certainly worth considering.🙂 Yes, forgiveness is necessary—but sometimes, one simply cannot escape that sense of Camus. Foreigner. Even if the world is an alienated place—and let's face it, it is.

I have personally witnessed people being torn apart by rumors—claims about who they are or how they act—often fueled by those who actually know them. Yet, in my own experience, I have dealt with that exact same individual and had an entirely different encounter.

Honestly—as time goes on—I’m finding myself leaning more toward quantum physics. It makes sense—that reality is essentially whatever we shape it to be—and that parallel universes and a billion different outcomes for a single situation are actually out there.

Let your desire to meet a regular, everyday person be your guide—if you can manage that—and I trust it will lead you exactly where you need to go.

I remain hopeful. 🙂 And I'm just hoping—fingers crossed, really—that I manage to stay sane through all this. :P

I couldn't tell you. It’s just that genuine conversation and actual social connection are becoming increasingly rare. 🤷 I simply find myself lacking the desire to socialize...

P.S. Are you trying to psychoanalyze me now? 😛 😁

we've already figured out what kind of person Nadica is : p
i'm betting she won't let you down 😁

dustylynx14 said:Now, this—I actually like this. 🙂 It offers a glimmer of hope—not that everything hasn't already gone to hell—but that we might actually pull through.

I try to approach people with sincerity—treating them exactly how I’d want to be treated myself. I truly believe many will respond from their core, even those hiding behind various social masks or professional titles. At least, that's been my experience. 🙂
Don't be so quick to judge people—especially when their outward behavior isn't even a choice. Most folks just get caught in the gears of complex social structures that dictate their pace and direction—effectively stripping away their agency. It’s easy to overlook, but I've seen it myself—there is almost always a seed of normalcy buried deep within them.🙂

An interesting perspective—certainly worth considering.🙂 Yes, forgiveness is necessary—but sometimes, one simply cannot escape that sense of Camus. Foreigner. Even if the world is an alienated place—and let's face it, it is.

I have personally witnessed people being torn apart by rumors—claims about who they are or how they act—often fueled by those who actually know them. Yet, in my own experience, I have dealt with that exact same individual and had an entirely different encounter.

Honestly—as time goes on—I’m finding myself leaning more toward quantum physics. It makes sense—that reality is essentially whatever we shape it to be—and that parallel universes and a billion different outcomes for a single situation are actually out there.

Let your desire to meet a regular, everyday person be your guide—if you can manage that—and I trust it will lead you exactly where you need to go.

I remain hopeful. 🙂 And I'm just hoping—fingers crossed, really—that I manage to stay sane through all this. :P

I couldn't tell you. It’s just that genuine conversation and actual social connection are becoming increasingly rare. 🤷 I simply find myself lacking the desire to socialize...

P.S. Are you trying to psychoanalyze me now? 😛 😁

I’m quite an empathetic person, but even I get this. It's like all the topics have been worn thin and everyone is just stuck in their own little bubble. 🤷
You aren't interested in pretending that their focus—whoever that may be—is actually interesting, yet you don't want to pull them into your orbit either, even if you could. Your inner world seems far more compelling than whatever surface-level chatter people are throwing around.
And look, it doesn't necessarily have to be a "you" problem. Maybe social interaction itself has just become stale—all those predictable flavors and tired tropes that you're simply bored with. 🤷
Honestly, I think that's the case for most people these days. No matter where you turn, it feels that way.

P.S. You are well on your way to being fully analyzed by me 😛
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If I were to start from scratch, I wouldn't even know where to begin... but let's just say right off the bat, I am so utterly disgusted by the people around me lately that I have to wonder if I’m living in some weird, tiny minority. I find myself clinging to basic human values that I just don't see—or hear—anywhere anymore. Sometimes I feel like an extinct dinosaur :-P

Morals, honesty, empathy—three things that are basically going extinct, or maybe it's just me? That's the problem eating at me: how on earth are you supposed to raise kids these days? How do you guide them toward these actual human qualities when it feels like the world is practically begging them to be the exact opposite just to survive this cold, heartless reality?
The circles I move in are pretty diverse—friends, hobbies, sports—but I honestly don't see anyone actually striving to embody those three traits. In fact, it's worse than that; I've heard people brag about having "recovered" from being such decent human beings..
Technology has really accelerated this downward spiral, pushing everyone faster toward that emptiness. Though, I guess it does give those who actually *want* to understand things a way to learn without having to ask someone else what kind of mess the world has become.
If some kind of time machine showed up right now, I’d hand over everything I own just to go back to the Stone Age. I'd run through the woods chasing bison with the primitives, even if it killed me in the process :-)

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