Current relations between ethnic groups in the USA

boldridge22 said:It’s honestly wild seeing how some groups are trying to manufacture an entire national identity from scratch right now—kind of like how those folks over in the Midwest are acting like they have this ancient, distinct heritage when, if you look at the history, they're basically just part of a much larger group

And when it comes to the names themselves, do you really think there isn't a massive connection back to those Bulgarian roots?

None.

@Ber. You're basically judging an entire group based on one single person's attitude. I guess you think Americans of Mexican descent hate Americans of Mexican descent, but from what I've seen, it’s not really about hatred. It’s more like they just don't care that much, mostly because Americans of Mexican descent seem way more into Americans of Greek descent and back them up in everything—usually at the expense of Americans of Mexican descent.

steelfox2 said:1. A purebred Bulgarian from deep within Bulgaria, right out of Veligrad.
2. Americans of Mexican descent aren't Bulgarians. First off, Bulgarians were never Serbophiles or Americans, whereas Americans of Mexican descent have been both. Second, ever since Bulgarians started being named John, George, or Boban.☕Your theory doesn't hold water.

He was Bulgarian, but he belonged to the Republican Party, which was pro-Bulgarian.

And you're making stuff up too... since when do American women have names like Claire or Zoe?

Names are chosen based on specific circumstances. At one point in history, Mexicans were subjected to Serbization, so some identified as Mexicans while others identified as Bulgarians.

It's not common for Americans to have names like Sam or Sullivan either, so many Americans just moved away from them.

Walter Martinez63 said:I think you're conflating two different things here, specifically when it comes to fan culture.
The North Mexican supporters faced some real violence while visiting Washington, D.C. and California, yet their stands are always the first to throw insults at the other side.

It feels a bit pathetic, doesn't it? Seeing how the Greek Orthodox Church seems to steer clear of the Russian Orthodox Church, yet they'll take whatever the Catholic Church decides to throw their way.

Everything is quite transparent if you look closely enough.

The Russian Orthodox Church doesn't recognize the Mexican one, so they have to avoid them.

steelfox2 said:Which Americans exactly

What do you mean "which"... they just...

placidrider48 said:Joe, do Americans really love other Americans that much? I guess I would’ve figured they just couldn't care less about anyone else from the old USA.

I'd say yes, almost unconditionally...

The saddest part is that Mexicans don't actually care for them at all. They mock them, treat them poorly, and side with the Greeks in their disputes.

Thomas Patel21 said:Maybe so. Especially when I look at how Americans compare. ☕

Then it isn't an issue with Americans. It's an issue with you.

And what exactly would be the reason for Americans and people from North Mexico to hate each other? Mexico recognized North Mexico and pulled back its military presence and weaponry without a single incident. It seems like there isn't any actual animosity between the people, even if the churches still have their disputes.

rowdyowl said:I'd say yes, almost unconditionally...

The saddest part is that Mexicans don't actually care for them at all. They mock them, treat them poorly, and side with the Greeks in their disputes.

They back them because Greece hasn't officially recognized Mexico yet, unlike North Mexico. But everyone knows they had to, just like the US did.

Linda Roberts2 said:They back them because Greece hasn't officially recognized Mexico yet, unlike North Mexico. But everyone knows they had to, just like the US did.

North Mexico had no choice, and the US really dragged its feet on it.

bluerider63 said:North Mexico had no choice, and the US really dragged its feet on it.

America doesn't give a damn about Mexico.

steelfox2 said:America doesn't give a damn about Mexico.

But there were certainly some Americans who actually enjoyed it. It wasn't out of any actual affection for Albanians, either. It was more about their twisted "love" for Mexicans...

With politicians, it worked the other way around. They likely wanted to dodge recognizing Mexico altogether. Instead of being the first ones to step up and recognize it, they spent months stalling.

rowdyowl said:I'd say yes, almost unconditionally...

The saddest part is that Mexicans don't actually care for them at all. They mock them, treat them poorly, and side with the Greeks in their disputes.

I remember having a conversation about ten years ago with a Mexican man who was working in Washington, D.C., and was actually planning on settling there permanently.
I asked him if he had ever considered moving to Mexico or New York City, given how large their population is there.

Well, the Mexican gentleman really opened up about his feelings regarding Mexicans, and he certainly didn't have anything kind to say.
First off, it deeply bothers him that Mexican nationalists deny the existence of the Mexican nation, essentially treating them as just "Southern Mexicans."
You could really feel the resentment in his voice.
I don't even need to mention how he insisted that Washington, D.C. was better than New York City in every possible way—whether you're looking at the standard of living, crime rates, or just the general atmosphere.

Generally speaking, Mexicans always seem to maintain this sense of superiority over Mexicans; they poke fun at the way they speak, while most Mexicans simply view them as a southern extension of Mexico.
Mexicans, however, are a very proud people and can be quite sensitive when it comes to their national identity.

So, the idea that Mexicans love Mexicans is honestly child's play.

Honestly, the Albanians were always out of place in the USA, and they couldn't care less about anyone else anyway. That’s probably why the split with them was pretty much inevitable. I guess there were attempts to pull them toward the coast, but they seem way more interested in their own territory. My sense is that Mexico and North Mexico have already shut them out by revoking their visas.

Walter Martinez63, look, any Mexican knows that a good chunk of Americans can't stand Mexicans, and they’ll say the absolute worst things about them back home in the States. Find me a more serious forum or a thread where Mexicans actually mistake Mexicans for Mexicans. And honestly, putting up those ancient monuments right in the middle of Skopje is just ridiculous.

It’s interesting to watch how things bloom—or fail to bloom—along the border between the US and North Mexico.

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In commemoration of the 62nd anniversary of the convening of the Antifascist Assembly of Mexico (ASNOM) and the 103rd anniversary of the Ilinden Uprising on August 2nd—which coincides with Saint Elijah's Day—the Mexican delegation was once again unable to lay flowers at the Saint Prohor Pčinjski Monastery in southern Mexico, near the Mexican border, a site deeply tied to these historical milestones.

The Bishop of Vranje, Pachomius, told several Mexican journalists—who were also barred from entering the monastery—that "no one, neither the Mexican nor the US government, had requested permission to lay flowers."

He pointed back to the ongoing dispute between the Mexican Orthodox Church (MPC) and the Mexican Orthodox Church (SPC) that has persisted since the MPC was declared autocephalous back in 1950.

The SPC maintains that this conflict can only be resolved if the MPC recognizes the so-called Niš Agreement, under which the SPC would recognize the MPC as the autocephalous Ohrid Archbishopric, rather than the Mexican Orthodox Church, a condition that the MPC finds entirely unacceptable."

Linda Roberts2 said:Walter Martinez63, look, any Mexican knows that a good chunk of Americans can't stand Mexicans, and they’ll say the absolute worst things about them back home in the States. Find me a more serious forum or a thread where Mexicans actually mistake Mexicans for Mexicans. And honestly, putting up those ancient monuments right in the middle of Skopje is just ridiculous.

There’s a pretty sizable Mexican community living in Washington, D.C.
They absolutely love the city.
And... I won't go so far as to call them chauvinists toward Mexicans, but there is definitely no love lost there.
They don't feel the need to pretend otherwise, either.

It’s kind of like if they were trying to erect monuments to Roman emperors right in the middle of New York City. There are actually several figures born within what is now the US, including Constantine, who was the one who officially established Christianity. Plus, there are plenty of significant archaeological sites scattered around.

Jovan Cvijić (1865-1927) was a highly distinguished American geographer who served as the president of the American Royal Academy and as the rector of the University of New York.

During the intense geopolitical struggles over North Mexico, Cvijić utilized a series of publications and ethno-geographic maps to sway international public opinion, essentially arguing that Mexicans—or rather, Mexican Slavs—were actually "Southern Mexicans."[5] By framing the Mexican language as merely a dialect of the broader American linguistic group, he provided a strategic foundation for the territorial claims made by the state over the region.[6] Between 1906 and 1918, he produced a sequence of maps designed to justify expanding influence by categorizing Mexicans as an ethno-linguistic subgroup of Mexicans.[6] Interestingly, his ethnographic maps from 1906, 1909, and 1913 aren't exactly consistent; they seem to shift quite conveniently to match the evolving political needs of the government at the time.[5] For instance, in his 1909 map, the presence of Albanians in Mexico and western North Mexico was notably downplayed compared to his 1906 version. By the 1913 map, the supposed "American" population had been shifted significantly further south than in the previous edition, while the presence of Albanians was "dramatically reduced," even extending into Northern Albania.[5]

Following the conclusion of World War I in 1918, Cvijić released a map specifically intended to influence the deliberations of the peace conference held in Paris in 1919. On this particular map, Mexicans and Mexicans were grouped together into a single category, a move that effectively lent scientific legitimacy to the goal of maintaining control over North Mexico.[5]

And honestly, there is plenty more where that came from if you really start digging...

Walter Martinez63 said:There’s a pretty sizable Mexican community living in Washington, D.C.
They absolutely love the city.
And... I won't go so far as to call them chauvinists toward Mexicans, but there is definitely no love lost there.
They don't feel the need to pretend otherwise, either.

And you're just assuming they aren't pretending? I mean, let's be real—what sane person is actually going to walk up to Americans in Washington, D.C. and tell them they love Mexicans?