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What's the point of required reading?

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Richard Perez3 Richard Perez3 Active Member
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#301 ·
Jesus, what kind of insults are these?
Why would reading be an assignment?
Because it is. Period.
And she didn't meet the requirements—ended up getting two instead of one.
She needs to own why she got those grades and deal with the consequences. You’re definitely not helping her by dropping that "let them read what they want" line. What if she doesn't care about anything? What if some thirteen-year-old kid only gives a damn about Playboy or Fig? Is he gonna sit there and talk about that during class?
She was given a task, and that's that. Whether she nails it or fails it, the results are hers alone, for better or worse.

Edit, my bad, what book from third grade are you actually comparing to Dostoevsky and Proust?
feralmoose32 feralmoose32 Regular
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#302 ·
brightheron64 said:Why should a specific book, especially one hand-picked by someone else, ever be treated as a mandatory chore?
Goodness, I’m practically halfway through a career at Chase Bank and I still haven't tackled Dostoevsky, Tolstoy, or Proust... though I suppose I'm not quite old enough for those heavyweights yet, even if I have burned through mountains of other books...

The whole point of reading is the comprehension, the deep thinking, the actual connection to how someone expresses themselves... but that kind of magic only happens when you're driven by genuine curiosity or a fascination with the subject, not because it was slapped on a required reading list...

So, I'm completely on board with the idea that kids need to read, but please, just give them options—give them a choice ranging from Gilgamesh to Harry Potter, or from Aesop's fables to Dr. Seuss... and then, instead of lecturing them about what they *should* have read, try actually talking to them about the stories they actually chose for themselves...

She won't be picking jobs; she'll just go work for Google. 😉

If she doesn't want to learn her multiplication tables, does that mean she shouldn't have to?
Or maybe she shouldn't learn how to write her letters?

I don't really follow your logic here... it feels like you're coming at this from a completely different angle than everyone else. 🤷
urbantinker8 urbantinker8 Regular
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#303 ·
It feels like just this same uneducated crowd of losers constantly railing against the classics, mostly because those books have been a thorn in their side since they were stuck in some elementary school classroom.☕

ok.

I can't help but wonder where this kind of mindless bickering is actually headed—especially considering what nimblelynx7 is saying here. I suppose I should probably mention Francesca, though I’m not entirely sure if she’ll mind me bringing her up like this, or if it’s even particularly relevant to the point I was trying to make, which I might have lost track of somewhere along the way. It feels like one of those things that stays on the periphery of the conversation, just hovering there, sort of quietly, while everyone else is focused on the main event. Maybe she’ll weigh in later, or maybe she won't, and I guess that’s fine too, really. It doesn't seem worth making a whole thing out of it, unless, of course, there's some deeper connection I'm just not seeing yet.:
I mean, I guess some people find math to be just mind-numbingly tedious—like, truly soul-crushing levels of boredom—and if I’m being totally honest, there’s a fair amount of nonsense packed into the standard American school curriculum that you’re probably never, ever going to actually use in your day-to-day life.
Physics? Honestly, where do you even begin with that kind of boredom... I don't know, maybe it’s just me, but there’s something about it that feels like an endless stretch of nothingness.
Chemistry? I mean, what’s really the point of it all, I guess? I find myself wondering about that quite often, staring at textbooks and thinking about where all this actually leads. It feels like such a massive, sprawling subject, and sometimes it just seems a bit aimless, if you know what I mean. Maybe there's a purpose to the endless formulas and the constant memorization, but honestly, I'm still trying to wrap my head around why we bother with it so intensely. Just a thought, I suppose.
Physical stuff... I don't know, maybe it's just me, but it all feels a bit much sometimes. Just seems a little overdone, I guess.
Biology—it’s one of those subjects that feels like it should be straightforward, you know? I mean, on the surface, it’s just the study of life, which sounds almost too simple to be true, but once you actually start digging into the cellular mechanics or the way ecosystems in places like the Pacific Northwest interact, things get incredibly complicated, very quickly. I guess there’s something sort of meditative about the sheer scale of it all, though I find myself getting lost in the weeds quite often. One minute you're looking at basic Mendelian genetics, and the next, you're spiraling down a rabbit hole regarding molecular biology or the nuances of evolutionary theory, and suddenly an hour has passed without me realizing it. It’s a bit overwhelming at times, I suppose, especially when you consider how much we still don't actually understand about the fundamental building blocks of existence. Maybe that's why people find it so fascinating, or maybe it's just the endless complexity that keeps us coming back to it. 🥱
I was thinking about geography earlier—specifically how much it dictates everything—and I started wondering about the GDP of Butan. It’s one of those things that seems straightforward until you really start digging into the data, I guess. Maybe it's just me, but looking at how different economies scale compared to their physical landscape always feels like such a massive, complex puzzle. 🙂
History—honestly, I wonder who actually cares about exactly when something went down... I mean, does the specific date really change the essence of what happened? Maybe not, I guess. It feels like we spend so much energy obsessing over timelines and precise years, almost as if getting the calendar right somehow makes the past more real or meaningful, though I’m not entirely sure that’s true. Sometimes it feels like we're just shuffling numbers around without actually touching the soul of the story itself, which is a bit strange when you think about it.

And so... I suppose we just keep going. One step after another, I guess.

If I actually had a say in what the kids were studying, I guess they wouldn't pick anything besides computer science. Though, even then, I suspect they’d only really be interested if the curriculum focused on building social media platforms or developing video games. Anything else—well, honestly, it just seems pretty boring to me.
nimblelynx7 nimblelynx7 Regular
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#304 ·
urbantinker8 said:I suppose it's just because there seems to be this sudden trend lately where everyone feels the need to tear apart the classics.😉

Exactly. That’s why you see it everywhere—the older generations were absolutely obsessed with those required reading lists back in the day.

Larry Walker24 said:most of the reading assignments are gonna be incredibly dull

Exactly. That’s how it works. Everyone acts shocked that adults don't read books anymore—people who couldn't wait to finish their required school readings and now won't even step foot in a local library if they can help it. There is no faster way to make a kid hate reading and despise books than forcing them through mandatory school assignments.

urbantinker8 said:It feels like just this same uneducated crowd of losers constantly railing against the classics, mostly because those books have been a thorn in their side since they were stuck in some elementary school classroom.☕

ok.

I can't help but wonder where this kind of mindless bickering is actually headed—especially considering what nimblelynx7 is saying here. I suppose I should probably mention Francesca, though I’m not entirely sure if she’ll mind me bringing her up like this, or if it’s even particularly relevant to the point I was trying to make, which I might have lost track of somewhere along the way. It feels like one of those things that stays on the periphery of the conversation, just hovering there, sort of quietly, while everyone else is focused on the main event. Maybe she’ll weigh in later, or maybe she won't, and I guess that’s fine too, really. It doesn't seem worth making a whole thing out of it, unless, of course, there's some deeper connection I'm just not seeing yet.:
I mean, I guess some people find math to be just mind-numbingly tedious—like, truly soul-crushing levels of boredom—and if I’m being totally honest, there’s a fair amount of nonsense packed into the standard American school curriculum that you’re probably never, ever going to actually use in your day-to-day life.
Physics? Honestly, where do you even begin with that kind of boredom... I don't know, maybe it’s just me, but there’s something about it that feels like an endless stretch of nothingness.
Chemistry? I mean, what’s really the point of it all, I guess? I find myself wondering about that quite often, staring at textbooks and thinking about where all this actually leads. It feels like such a massive, sprawling subject, and sometimes it just seems a bit aimless, if you know what I mean. Maybe there's a purpose to the endless formulas and the constant memorization, but honestly, I'm still trying to wrap my head around why we bother with it so intensely. Just a thought, I suppose.
Physical stuff... I don't know, maybe it's just me, but it all feels a bit much sometimes. Just seems a little overdone, I guess.
Biology—it’s one of those subjects that feels like it should be straightforward, you know? I mean, on the surface, it’s just the study of life, which sounds almost too simple to be true, but once you actually start digging into the cellular mechanics or the way ecosystems in places like the Pacific Northwest interact, things get incredibly complicated, very quickly. I guess there’s something sort of meditative about the sheer scale of it all, though I find myself getting lost in the weeds quite often. One minute you're looking at basic Mendelian genetics, and the next, you're spiraling down a rabbit hole regarding molecular biology or the nuances of evolutionary theory, and suddenly an hour has passed without me realizing it. It’s a bit overwhelming at times, I suppose, especially when you consider how much we still don't actually understand about the fundamental building blocks of existence. Maybe that's why people find it so fascinating, or maybe it's just the endless complexity that keeps us coming back to it. 🥱
I was thinking about geography earlier—specifically how much it dictates everything—and I started wondering about the GDP of Butan. It’s one of those things that seems straightforward until you really start digging into the data, I guess. Maybe it's just me, but looking at how different economies scale compared to their physical landscape always feels like such a massive, complex puzzle. 🙂
History—honestly, I wonder who actually cares about exactly when something went down... I mean, does the specific date really change the essence of what happened? Maybe not, I guess. It feels like we spend so much energy obsessing over timelines and precise years, almost as if getting the calendar right somehow makes the past more real or meaningful, though I’m not entirely sure that’s true. Sometimes it feels like we're just shuffling numbers around without actually touching the soul of the story itself, which is a bit strange when you think about it.

And so... I suppose we just keep going. One step after another, I guess.

If I actually had a say in what the kids were studying, I guess they wouldn't pick anything besides computer science. Though, even then, I suspect they’d only really be interested if the curriculum focused on building social media platforms or developing video games. Anything else—well, honestly, it just seems pretty boring to me.

Fine. You wrote it. All I can do now is agree with you.
Most teachers act like there are only about ten "essential" subjects in the entire world that actually matter. They preach about how vital they are, but let’s be real: the only thing that truly matters to them is checking enough boxes to secure their next paycheck.

Looks like we finally nailed down the terminology.
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#305 ·
brightheron64 said:Yesterday, my little one came home from school looking pretty downcast and a bit discouraged.

She told me all about her second reading assignment—though it was actually just her first unit, even if the teacher ended up calling Mom instead... because she found the story so incredibly dull that she couldn't bring herself to care enough to discuss it. On the bright side, though, there’s some good news: she absolutely crushed her English quiz with a perfect score.

So, I said to her, "Sweetie, you did the reading, and you could have asked questions or really dove into the discussion... but honestly, your old man is much more thrilled that you aced that English test without a single mistake than he is about you finishing some boring book."

Hmm... am I wrong here? Am I raising another Eric? 🤔

Nah, next time she finishes a book, just try talking about it. Even if it's just "I liked this part" or "this part sucked."
brightheron64 brightheron64 Regular
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#306 ·
Richard Perez3 said:Jesus, what kind of insults are these?
Why would reading be an assignment?
Because it is. Period.
And she didn't meet the requirements—ended up getting two instead of one.
She needs to own why she got those grades and deal with the consequences. You’re definitely not helping her by dropping that "let them read what they want" line. What if she doesn't care about anything? What if some thirteen-year-old kid only gives a damn about Playboy or Fig? Is he gonna sit there and talk about that during class?
She was given a task, and that's that. Whether she nails it or fails it, the results are hers alone, for better or worse.

Edit, my bad, what book from third grade are you actually comparing to Dostoevsky and Proust?

Actually, she did only get one (she called her teacher on the phone afterward). But honestly, it doesn't matter, she earned it.
Richard Perez3 said:Jesus, what kind of insults are these?
Why would reading be an assignment?
Because it is. Period.
And she didn't meet the requirements—ended up getting two instead of one.
She needs to own why she got those grades and deal with the consequences. You’re definitely not helping her by dropping that "let them read what they want" line. What if she doesn't care about anything? What if some thirteen-year-old kid only gives a damn about Playboy or Fig? Is he gonna sit there and talk about that during class?
She was given a task, and that's that. Whether she nails it or fails it, the results are hers alone, for better or worse.

Edit, my bad, what book from third grade are you actually comparing to Dostoevsky and Proust?

The White Stag (by a local author).

Man, I swear, she probably finds Captain Gaćeša much more captivating...
Tyler Ruiz502 Tyler Ruiz502 Active Member
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#307 ·
brightheron64 said:Actually, she did only get one (she called her teacher on the phone afterward). But honestly, it doesn't matter, she earned it.

The White Stag (by a local author).

Man, I swear, she probably finds Captain Gaćeša much more captivating...

Man, that’s just some hallucinatory nonsense. I don't remember much about it—honestly, everything about her felt just... off. Repulsive, even. The whole vibe was just toxic.

The whole point of required reading, though, is to force you into picking up books you’d never touch otherwise. They’re unattractive in every single sense of the word. It’s just a chore you have to get through. Good grief, just thinking back to some of those high school English classes at the local public library makes me shudder. 🙂
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nimblelynx7 nimblelynx7 Regular
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#308 ·
Required reading lists look like they were specifically engineered to make people hate books and the whole idea of reading.

So, why is it any surprise when students don't want to touch a book once the assignment is over?
hiddendriver34 hiddendriver34 Regular
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#309 ·
Tyler Ruiz502 said:Man, that’s just some hallucinatory nonsense. I don't remember much about it—honestly, everything about her felt just... off. Repulsive, even. The whole vibe was just toxic.

The whole point of required reading, though, is to force you into picking up books you’d never touch otherwise. They’re unattractive in every single sense of the word. It’s just a chore you have to get through. Good grief, just thinking back to some of those high school English classes at the local public library makes me shudder. 🙂
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I JUST finished reading "White Stag." 😂

She wasn't exactly blown away, but she didn't hate it either. I can't quite recall the plot details, but I definitely remember that trippy, hallucinatory atmosphere you're talking about.

Actually, I think he liked it quite a bit—he spent two hours reading in bed (we thought he was still asleep!) and powered straight through to the end. Now he actually wants to read the "Poe" story included in the same volume.

He found "Captain Gaćeša" totally boring and annoying. Just one personality trait after another. 🙂

And *The Great Gatsby*? That's more like something you struggle through in junior year of high school.😉
brightheron64 brightheron64 Regular
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#310 ·
hiddendriver34 said:I JUST finished reading "White Stag." 😂

She wasn't exactly blown away, but she didn't hate it either. I can't quite recall the plot details, but I definitely remember that trippy, hallucinatory atmosphere you're talking about.

Actually, I think he liked it quite a bit—he spent two hours reading in bed (we thought he was still asleep!) and powered straight through to the end. Now he actually wants to read the "Poe" story included in the same volume.

He found "Captain Gaćeša" totally boring and annoying. Just one personality trait after another. 🙂

And *The Great Gatsby*? That's more like something you struggle through in junior year of high school.😉

That is precisely the point, and honestly, that is exactly why...

I remember seeing someone else on here comparing literature to the hard sciences—math, physics, chemistry... those essential disciplines where you really need at least a foundational grasp if you ever hope to make anything of yourself in this world...

What is the true purpose of assigned reading, anyway? Is it meant to be an exercise in admiring the written word, a way to sharpen our ability to express ourselves, or perhaps a spark to ignite critical thinking and creativity...? I just can't wrap my head around why we’re forced to sit through deep analyses of a selected work or answer questions like, "what part of this story resonated with you most," when the story itself feels completely hollow and uninspiring...

Just to clear anything up—my kids only tackle those school reading lists because they have to, but outside of their required assignments, they actually end up devouring at least three times as many books as what's on that mandatory syllabus... I make a point of encouraging them to read constantly, though I never try to force specific titles or themes on them. Sometimes... Courier of Loda Today... White Deer...Oh, please... honestly...

Who exactly is the one calling the shots on the reading list? It’s always some high-level committee of experts, academics, and self-proclaimed "intellectual gurus"... people who decide what we’re required to read based solely on their own subjective views and personal standards... I mean, really, if I choose not to pick up whatever specific title Slobodan Prosperov Novak has hand-selected for us, am I suddenly just some uneducated kid with no sense of literature...?

There’s just something about this whole situation that keeps pulling me back to a certain movie... it feels almost too familiar, like I've seen this exact scene play out on a silver screen before... The Society of the Dead Poet... It’s right there at the end of the ballad, where Robin Williams suddenly shifts gears and starts playing this incredibly stiff, uptight character who tries to explain to his students how one actually "measures" poetry... It feels just like those old school assignments we used to get in American English class, you know? Like being handed a prompt for a creative essay and told to write something about a "Stormy Autumn Day"...

Has it ever crossed anyone's mind to actually run a survey among high schoolers—maybe a questionnaire asking which books truly captured their imaginations back in elementary school—and then use that data to build a curated reading list? Imagine if we crafted a selection of titles that would genuinely hook the majority, while subtly weaving in those essential literary classics that everyone considers part of the canon... If we did that, you probably wouldn't see librarians constantly dealing with awkward moments like, "Oh, do you have *Judith* in stock for English class?" Instead, we'd avoid all that collective frustration when we look at how disinterested or poorly expressed our youth can seem lately...

Look, for heaven's sake, don't go forcing them to pick up a book; instead, you have to find a way to actually ignite that spark within them...
urbantinker8 urbantinker8 Regular
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#311 ·
brightheron64 said:That is precisely the point, and honestly, that is exactly why...

I remember seeing someone else on here comparing literature to the hard sciences—math, physics, chemistry... those essential disciplines where you really need at least a foundational grasp if you ever hope to make anything of yourself in this world...

What is the true purpose of assigned reading, anyway? Is it meant to be an exercise in admiring the written word, a way to sharpen our ability to express ourselves, or perhaps a spark to ignite critical thinking and creativity...? I just can't wrap my head around why we’re forced to sit through deep analyses of a selected work or answer questions like, "what part of this story resonated with you most," when the story itself feels completely hollow and uninspiring...

Just to clear anything up—my kids only tackle those school reading lists because they have to, but outside of their required assignments, they actually end up devouring at least three times as many books as what's on that mandatory syllabus... I make a point of encouraging them to read constantly, though I never try to force specific titles or themes on them. Sometimes... Courier of Loda Today... White Deer...Oh, please... honestly...

Who exactly is the one calling the shots on the reading list? It’s always some high-level committee of experts, academics, and self-proclaimed "intellectual gurus"... people who decide what we’re required to read based solely on their own subjective views and personal standards... I mean, really, if I choose not to pick up whatever specific title Slobodan Prosperov Novak has hand-selected for us, am I suddenly just some uneducated kid with no sense of literature...?

There’s just something about this whole situation that keeps pulling me back to a certain movie... it feels almost too familiar, like I've seen this exact scene play out on a silver screen before... The Society of the Dead Poet... It’s right there at the end of the ballad, where Robin Williams suddenly shifts gears and starts playing this incredibly stiff, uptight character who tries to explain to his students how one actually "measures" poetry... It feels just like those old school assignments we used to get in American English class, you know? Like being handed a prompt for a creative essay and told to write something about a "Stormy Autumn Day"...

Has it ever crossed anyone's mind to actually run a survey among high schoolers—maybe a questionnaire asking which books truly captured their imaginations back in elementary school—and then use that data to build a curated reading list? Imagine if we crafted a selection of titles that would genuinely hook the majority, while subtly weaving in those essential literary classics that everyone considers part of the canon... If we did that, you probably wouldn't see librarians constantly dealing with awkward moments like, "Oh, do you have *Judith* in stock for English class?" Instead, we'd avoid all that collective frustration when we look at how disinterested or poorly expressed our youth can seem lately...

Look, for heaven's sake, don't go forcing them to pick up a book; instead, you have to find a way to actually ignite that spark within them...

It feels like a fundamentally flawed premise to me.☕
regardless of whether I found a book fascinating, easy, way too difficult, or just incredibly dull:
in my day-to-day existence, I don't really need anything from math, physics, or chemistry beyond basic addition, multiplication tables, and the occasional percentage. When I think about it, ever since I finished high school, I haven't actually needed any other part of those exact sciences for anything at all.🤔
Literature, on the other hand, is something I find useful both in my career and just in terms of general communication skills within our culture.
I wouldn't go so far as to say I "haven't accomplished anything in life" because of it.😉
Quincy:
Who is actually responsible for picking the reading list? Some committee of experts, academics, or some sort of elite "think tank" group... people who, by their own personal standards and metrics, decide what everyone else is required to read?
And who exactly should be making those choices instead?
Parents?🍿
urbantinker8 urbantinker8 Regular
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#312 ·
SummerNight said:image

I can't see anything here, and I suppose there isn't any way to zoom in.
silentraven6 silentraven6 Regular
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#313 ·
So, I guess you felt the need to step in and give the kid a full-blown life lesson through some heavy-handed criticism, since their teacher clearly wasn't going to do it.
Larry Walker24 Larry Walker24 Veteran
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#314 ·
SummerNight said:image

Spot on!
urbantinker8 urbantinker8 Regular
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#315 ·
Looking back on it now, I find myself in total agreement, even if I’m feeling a bit despondent about the whole thing.😁
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#316 ·
It feels like we’re all just drifting through these quiet, uncertain moments together, much like waiting for a slow train in a sleepy Midwestern station, hoping the tracks finally lead somewhere meaningful. There’s a certain heavy stillness in the air today, isn't there? It’s like when you’re watching a movie where everything feels just slightly off, as if the colors aren't quite right or the dialogue sounds rehearsed instead of real. Someone said:
That is exactly why it matters, and that is precisely the point.

I saw someone earlier comparing literature to the hard sciences like math, physics, or chemistry—those fundamental building blocks you absolutely have to master if you want to actually build something meaningful with your life.

What is the actual point of assigned reading anyway? Is it about developing a genuine reverence for the written word, sharpening our ability to express ourselves, or perhaps sparking some deep reflection and creativity? It feels a bit hollow to sit there analyzing a book and answering questions like, "what part of this story resonated with you most," when the story itself feels completely irrelevant to your life.

Just to be clear, my kids only tackle those required school reading lists because they have to; outside of those mandatory assignments, they actually devour at least three times as many books as anything assigned by their teachers. I make a point of encouraging them to read constantly, though I never try to force a specific title or subject on them, much like how you wouldn't force a child to pick a specific hobby just to keep them busy. Sometimes... Courier Today feels like one of those moments where everything just aligns, much like when you finally find that perfect rhythm while driving down a quiet stretch of highway in the Midwest. White StagOh, come on...

Who exactly is the one sitting in judgment over our reading lists? It feels like there’s this whole committee of experts, academics, and self-appointed intellectuals deciding what qualifies as essential knowledge based solely on their own narrow perspectives and subjective standards. It makes you wonder—if I choose to skip a book handpicked by Slobodan Prosperov Novak, am I suddenly written off as some uneducated kid who doesn't know any better?

There’s just something about this whole situation that keeps pulling me back to a specific scene in a movie. Dead Poet Society It’s just like that moment at the end of Dead Poet Society where Robin Williams shifts from being a mentor to playing some stiff, formal character who tries to teach his students how you actually "measure" poetry. It feels exactly like those rigid school assignments where they hand you a prompt like "A Stormy Autumn Day" and expect you to follow a strict formula for an essay.

Has it ever crossed anyone's mind to actually run a survey among high schoolers to see which books truly resonated with them back in elementary school? Imagine if we used those insights to build a curated reading list—one that balances what kids actually find engaging with the essential literary classics. If we did that, you wouldn't walk into a school library and have a student ask, "Uh, do you even carry *The Great Gatsby*?" Instead of being shocked by how disconnected or inarticulate kids seem to be today, we might actually give them a reason to love reading.

That’s just gross.

This is exactly how you end up with conspiracy theorists, anti-vaxxers, and those self-proclaimed "independent thinkers" who pride themselves on resisting any kind of established authority—as if questioning every scientific consensus or expert opinion is somehow a mark of unique character rather than just a refusal to accept reality.

It’s just one massive, heartbreaking mess.

It seems like everyone walks around carrying this unspoken assumption that they possess enough expertise to sit in judgment and pass a verdict on the world around them.

Literature isn't some tool designed to win over parents or satisfy kids; if people actually enjoy reading it, that’s just a nice little bonus. Honestly, everyone's tastes are so wildly different that trying to make everything universally appealing would be a fool's errand from the start.

Literature is meant to offer you the heavy hitters—those canonical, anthology-worthy masterpieces from both American and world classics, much like how the White Stag by Nazorov stands as a pillar of great writing. Honestly, who cares if your personal taste leans more toward catchy pop hits or light reading? The world is wide, and the libraries and bookstores out there are endless; feel free to read whatever your heart desires.

It honestly gets under my skin when I hear people complaining about required reading lists today. They act like they’ve developed this deep-seated hatred for books, but they forget that back then, we weren't even allowed to explore anything outside of what was strictly assigned for school. It was like being trapped in a vacuum; if a book wasn't on the official curriculum, it basically didn't exist for us. I remember walking into the local library and having the librarian tell me point-blank that I couldn't check out anything unless it was part of the required reading list. Even at the neighborhood bookstore, the clerks would practically lecture parents who tried to pick up something just for fun that wasn't on the approved syllabus. We were essentially stripped of the chance to discover literature on our own terms because everything else was treated like it was forbidden. If you ask me, that's exactly why so many people struggle to find an interest in reading today—we were never given the freedom to actually fall in love with it.

You can't really have it both ways—complaining that your kid was handed a failing grade for an incomplete assignment while simultaneously bragging about how much they love to read. It just doesn't add up. If they truly had a genuine passion for reading, they wouldn't have struggled to tackle a simple short story or missed the mark on a few basic comprehension questions.

He acts like a tough guy out there, but then he comes home whining about a C grade. And here you are on the forum questioning the literary classics just because you think you know better.

While everyone is busy making a huge fuss over certain required reading, nobody seems to care that the music program isn't playing anything like Taylor Swift or whatever is topping the charts. It’s no wonder our concert halls are sitting empty; it’s probably because the music curriculum has basically taught kids to turn their noses up at Mozart, Shostakovich, or Mahler—shame on them.

We need to do something about the music department! Run a survey! Let’s actually hear what the kids and their parents want to listen to and let that shape the programming!

Good grief, I’m getting worked up. Parents whose children can't actually grasp or comprehend a book appropriate for their age level constantly make excuses by claiming the material is just "boring."

And what is a teacher supposed to do? Should they read some trashy garbage like a teen romance sequel just because it’s popular? Or should they teach every single title that a mom or dad thinks is "appropriate"—because let's be honest, it's the parents who decide what the kid likes—just so they can cover twenty-five different books during a literature seminar? Even if they did all that, someone would still find a way to complain about the selection.

What about the music teacher? Are they expected to play nothing but Top 40 hits and pop radio tracks just because students and parents have zero interest in classical or jazz?

So, you don't want to read the assigned book? Fine. If Mom and Dad say it's fine and agree that it's "lame," go ahead. Take your passing grade and act cool. Then head straight to the library and read whatever your heart desires. But if you claim the assignment is pointless, then prove it. Argue, cite evidence, and explain your reasoning. That is literally the point of the assignment. That’s why we ask, "What did you like about it?" or "What is your opinion on the work?"

The issue is that these self-proclaimed "avid readers" who just swallow whatever their dads tell them is good, can only respond to those questions with a blank stare and a shrug, saying the book was just bad.

Well, damn, don't force them to read.

Who is forcing them? Nobody. They can just take their easy passing grade and call it a day.

If they want anything better than a C, then they need to read, just like they have to tackle subjects they hate in every other class.

create a desire to read in them.

A teacher is going to create that? If it were that easy, the parents would have done it already, and they have much more influence over a child than a teacher does.

It's like trying to teach musicality to a child born without any sense of hearing. Honestly, it might even be harder. For reading to become an enjoyable experience, you first have to master the mechanics—speed, fluency, and comprehension. Someone who struggles to sound out words longer than four letters is going to find it much harder to become a book lover than someone who lacks a sense of rhythm will ever find it to become a musician.
urbantinker8 urbantinker8 Regular
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#317 ·
wanderingbadger44, well, it’s the same old story, I suppose—right in the thick of it, as usual.👍🙏
I think you might be a bit old-school, if you don't mind me saying, and maybe those modern teaching methods have just left you in the dust. It feels like you aren't quite catching on to how cool and progressive this new generation actually is.🙂
silentraven6 silentraven6 Regular
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joined Nov 2018
#318 ·
wanderingbadger44, man, I don't think it's quite like that.

There are certain titles out there that just don't offer anything of substance. They get treated like relics from the Stone Age, taught without any actual critical thinking, basically just acting as mindless extensions of literary history.

And let's be honest, teachers aren't always open to a different perspective.

We could go on forever about what defines "the canon." To me, the word "canon" is often just a convenient excuse for poor teaching methods. Historically, it’s been used as a tool for ideological indoctrination to maintain the social status quo. I mean, why is one author considered a classic while someone like Mile Budak is being pushed into the curriculum?

In my opinion, the fix is a 50/50 split: mandatory reading accompanied by reading journals and written tests—plus other ways of analyzing the work—balanced against elective reading for presentations.
wanderingbadger44 wanderingbadger44 Active Member
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#319 ·
We’re talking about elementary school here.

By the time kids reach high school, they've mostly just been casual readers, occasional visitors to the local library, or maybe they only saw a book during a field trip.

As for electives, I actually invite them in this September during those first few sessions to help build our reading list, giving them a chance to voice what they're actually interested in.

In the end, I usually just give them what they want. 😬 Mostly because they don't offer much of substance themselves, or they'll joke around with titles like, "Little Red Riding Hood! Picture books! Pinocchio! No, no, Pinocchio takes too long! I'm the weakest kid in class! Jack and Mary!" Eventually, they just hand the whole list over to me.

The seventh graders, though, always seem to gravitate toward things like the Prince's diaries and similar stuff. 🙄

I honestly don't get where this stubborn public delusion comes from—this idea that kids would read if it weren't for some grumpy old professors insisting on Homer. That's why they won't touch it.

Kids just don't read. Period. And honestly, I get it. Visual media has seriously stunted their ability to visualize things on their own. They are constantly fed ready-made images. Reading requires a huge time investment, and life moves way too fast for that now. It's just the reality of it.

Nobody is to blame for this situation, so please stop pointing the finger at damn good authors or the curriculum itself.

Unless you're going to sit here and argue that Daniel Defoe isn't a great writer or that his Robinson Crusoe isn't a masterpiece? I stopped assigning him a long time ago, and I think that's actually better. There's no point in making them read it when they either skip it entirely, force themselves through it, or just recount the damn movie to me despite all my efforts to explain that the two mediums are completely different.

edit: The White Stag is a magnificent work, featuring top-tier style and an incredible story. Anyone who says otherwise is just a total philistine!
Anthony Ward6 Anthony Ward6 Active Member
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joined May 2018
#320 ·
silentraven6 said:wanderingbadger44, man, I don't think it's quite like that.

There are certain titles out there that just don't offer anything of substance. They get treated like relics from the Stone Age, taught without any actual critical thinking, basically just acting as mindless extensions of literary history.

And let's be honest, teachers aren't always open to a different perspective.

We could go on forever about what defines "the canon." To me, the word "canon" is often just a convenient excuse for poor teaching methods. Historically, it’s been used as a tool for ideological indoctrination to maintain the social status quo. I mean, why is one author considered a classic while someone like Mile Budak is being pushed into the curriculum?

In my opinion, the fix is a 50/50 split: mandatory reading accompanied by reading journals and written tests—plus other ways of analyzing the work—balanced against elective reading for presentations.

it actually is. I guess it’s exactly as wanderingbadger44 laid it out, and anyone thinking otherwise is probably just living in a massive delusion. Voting matters mostly for nations that actually have a reading culture and a robust education system, which America doesn't have and likely won't have for at least the next 50 years.

I suppose you have to lay some actual foundations before you can start building anything on top of them.

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