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hiddendriver34 hiddendriver34 Regular
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#321 ·
I honestly think the required reading list could be a lot more dynamic. There are so many absolute classics that aren't included—books that really should be.

I mean, why have we had Flaubert and Balzac on the mandatory list for a century (and I’m not even exaggerating here 😁), while Stendhal hasn't made the cut once? He was just as vital a national author from that same era. It feels like someone drafted this list decades ago and everyone's just been too afraid to touch it since.

That kind of rigid, cemented canon basically just fuels those "copy-paste my essay" websites.

If you asked me, I’d give students a few core requirements, but leave the rest as electives—though I'd provide a curated list for them to choose from! And those electives wouldn't need to be identical in every school, or even for the same teacher year after year.

The whole "read whatever you want" approach to electives just aligns with that Summerin drawing and parents who act like "my little angel can do whatever they please." 😁 That's just not a serious way to teach.
urbantinker8 urbantinker8 Regular
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#322 ·
hiddendriver34 said:I honestly think the required reading list could be a lot more dynamic. There are so many absolute classics that aren't included—books that really should be.

I mean, why have we had Flaubert and Balzac on the mandatory list for a century (and I’m not even exaggerating here 😁), while Stendhal hasn't made the cut once? He was just as vital a national author from that same era. It feels like someone drafted this list decades ago and everyone's just been too afraid to touch it since.

That kind of rigid, cemented canon basically just fuels those "copy-paste my essay" websites.

If you asked me, I’d give students a few core requirements, but leave the rest as electives—though I'd provide a curated list for them to choose from! And those electives wouldn't need to be identical in every school, or even for the same teacher year after year.

The whole "read whatever you want" approach to electives just aligns with that Summerin drawing and parents who act like "my little angel can do whatever they please." 😁 That's just not a serious way to teach.

Based on how people view things these days, I suppose that wouldn't really count as elective reading anymore, either.
brightheron64 brightheron64 Regular
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#323 ·
Quincy...
wanderingbadger44 said:
It feels like we’re all just drifting through these quiet, uncertain moments together, much like waiting for a slow train in a sleepy Midwestern station, hoping the tracks finally lead somewhere meaningful. There’s a certain heavy stillness in the air today, isn't there? It’s like when you’re watching a movie where everything feels just slightly off, as if the colors aren't quite right or the dialogue sounds rehearsed instead of real. Someone said:
That is exactly why it matters, and that is precisely the point.

I saw someone earlier comparing literature to the hard sciences like math, physics, or chemistry—those fundamental building blocks you absolutely have to master if you want to actually build something meaningful with your life.

What is the actual point of assigned reading anyway? Is it about developing a genuine reverence for the written word, sharpening our ability to express ourselves, or perhaps sparking some deep reflection and creativity? It feels a bit hollow to sit there analyzing a book and answering questions like, "what part of this story resonated with you most," when the story itself feels completely irrelevant to your life.

Just to be clear, my kids only tackle those required school reading lists because they have to; outside of those mandatory assignments, they actually devour at least three times as many books as anything assigned by their teachers. I make a point of encouraging them to read constantly, though I never try to force a specific title or subject on them, much like how you wouldn't force a child to pick a specific hobby just to keep them busy. Sometimes... Courier Today feels like one of those moments where everything just aligns, much like when you finally find that perfect rhythm while driving down a quiet stretch of highway in the Midwest. White StagOh, come on...

Who exactly is the one sitting in judgment over our reading lists? It feels like there’s this whole committee of experts, academics, and self-appointed intellectuals deciding what qualifies as essential knowledge based solely on their own narrow perspectives and subjective standards. It makes you wonder—if I choose to skip a book handpicked by Slobodan Prosperov Novak, am I suddenly written off as some uneducated kid who doesn't know any better?

There’s just something about this whole situation that keeps pulling me back to a specific scene in a movie. Dead Poet Society It’s just like that moment at the end of Dead Poet Society where Robin Williams shifts from being a mentor to playing some stiff, formal character who tries to teach his students how you actually "measure" poetry. It feels exactly like those rigid school assignments where they hand you a prompt like "A Stormy Autumn Day" and expect you to follow a strict formula for an essay.

Has it ever crossed anyone's mind to actually run a survey among high schoolers to see which books truly resonated with them back in elementary school? Imagine if we used those insights to build a curated reading list—one that balances what kids actually find engaging with the essential literary classics. If we did that, you wouldn't walk into a school library and have a student ask, "Uh, do you even carry *The Great Gatsby*?" Instead of being shocked by how disconnected or inarticulate kids seem to be today, we might actually give them a reason to love reading.

That’s just gross.

This is exactly how you end up with conspiracy theorists, anti-vaxxers, and those self-proclaimed "independent thinkers" who pride themselves on resisting any kind of established authority—as if questioning every scientific consensus or expert opinion is somehow a mark of unique character rather than just a refusal to accept reality.

It’s just one massive, heartbreaking mess.

It seems like everyone walks around carrying this unspoken assumption that they possess enough expertise to sit in judgment and pass a verdict on the world around them.

Literature isn't some tool designed to win over parents or satisfy kids; if people actually enjoy reading it, that’s just a nice little bonus. Honestly, everyone's tastes are so wildly different that trying to make everything universally appealing would be a fool's errand from the start.

Literature is meant to offer you the heavy hitters—those canonical, anthology-worthy masterpieces from both American and world classics, much like how the White Stag by Nazorov stands as a pillar of great writing. Honestly, who cares if your personal taste leans more toward catchy pop hits or light reading? The world is wide, and the libraries and bookstores out there are endless; feel free to read whatever your heart desires.

It honestly gets under my skin when I hear people complaining about required reading lists today. They act like they’ve developed this deep-seated hatred for books, but they forget that back then, we weren't even allowed to explore anything outside of what was strictly assigned for school. It was like being trapped in a vacuum; if a book wasn't on the official curriculum, it basically didn't exist for us. I remember walking into the local library and having the librarian tell me point-blank that I couldn't check out anything unless it was part of the required reading list. Even at the neighborhood bookstore, the clerks would practically lecture parents who tried to pick up something just for fun that wasn't on the approved syllabus. We were essentially stripped of the chance to discover literature on our own terms because everything else was treated like it was forbidden. If you ask me, that's exactly why so many people struggle to find an interest in reading today—we were never given the freedom to actually fall in love with it.

You can't really have it both ways—complaining that your kid was handed a failing grade for an incomplete assignment while simultaneously bragging about how much they love to read. It just doesn't add up. If they truly had a genuine passion for reading, they wouldn't have struggled to tackle a simple short story or missed the mark on a few basic comprehension questions.

He acts like a tough guy out there, but then he comes home whining about a C grade. And here you are on the forum questioning the literary classics just because you think you know better.

While everyone is busy making a huge fuss over certain required reading, nobody seems to care that the music program isn't playing anything like Taylor Swift or whatever is topping the charts. It’s no wonder our concert halls are sitting empty; it’s probably because the music curriculum has basically taught kids to turn their noses up at Mozart, Shostakovich, or Mahler—shame on them.

We need to do something about the music department! Run a survey! Let’s actually hear what the kids and their parents want to listen to and let that shape the programming!

Good grief, I’m getting worked up. Parents whose children can't actually grasp or comprehend a book appropriate for their age level constantly make excuses by claiming the material is just "boring."

And what is a teacher supposed to do? Should they read some trashy garbage like a teen romance sequel just because it’s popular? Or should they teach every single title that a mom or dad thinks is "appropriate"—because let's be honest, it's the parents who decide what the kid likes—just so they can cover twenty-five different books during a literature seminar? Even if they did all that, someone would still find a way to complain about the selection.

What about the music teacher? Are they expected to play nothing but Top 40 hits and pop radio tracks just because students and parents have zero interest in classical or jazz?

So, you don't want to read the assigned book? Fine. If Mom and Dad say it's fine and agree that it's "lame," go ahead. Take your passing grade and act cool. Then head straight to the library and read whatever your heart desires. But if you claim the assignment is pointless, then prove it. Argue, cite evidence, and explain your reasoning. That is literally the point of the assignment. That’s why we ask, "What did you like about it?" or "What is your opinion on the work?"

The issue is that these self-proclaimed "avid readers" who just swallow whatever their dads tell them is good, can only respond to those questions with a blank stare and a shrug, saying the book was just bad.

Well, damn, don't force them to read.

Who is forcing them? Nobody. They can just take their easy passing grade and call it a day.

If they want anything better than a C, then they need to read, just like they have to tackle subjects they hate in every other class.

create a desire to read in them.

A teacher is going to create that? If it were that easy, the parents would have done it already, and they have much more influence over a child than a teacher does.

It's like trying to teach musicality to a child born without any sense of hearing. Honestly, it might even be harder. For reading to become an enjoyable experience, you first have to master the mechanics—speed, fluency, and comprehension. Someone who struggles to sound out words longer than four letters is going to find it much harder to become a book lover than someone who lacks a sense of rhythm will ever find it to become a musician.

Blah, blah, blah...

I’ll just mention one thing:

I had Nazorov as required reading back in elementary school myself. Only difference is, I was reading Percy Jackson instead of White Deer... 😉

wanderingbadger44 said:We’re talking about elementary school here.

By the time kids reach high school, they've mostly just been casual readers, occasional visitors to the local library, or maybe they only saw a book during a field trip.

As for electives, I actually invite them in this September during those first few sessions to help build our reading list, giving them a chance to voice what they're actually interested in.

In the end, I usually just give them what they want. 😬 Mostly because they don't offer much of substance themselves, or they'll joke around with titles like, "Little Red Riding Hood! Picture books! Pinocchio! No, no, Pinocchio takes too long! I'm the weakest kid in class! Jack and Mary!" Eventually, they just hand the whole list over to me.

The seventh graders, though, always seem to gravitate toward things like the Prince's diaries and similar stuff. 🙄

I honestly don't get where this stubborn public delusion comes from—this idea that kids would read if it weren't for some grumpy old professors insisting on Homer. That's why they won't touch it.

Kids just don't read. Period. And honestly, I get it. Visual media has seriously stunted their ability to visualize things on their own. They are constantly fed ready-made images. Reading requires a huge time investment, and life moves way too fast for that now. It's just the reality of it.

Nobody is to blame for this situation, so please stop pointing the finger at damn good authors or the curriculum itself.

Unless you're going to sit here and argue that Daniel Defoe isn't a great writer or that his Robinson Crusoe isn't a masterpiece? I stopped assigning him a long time ago, and I think that's actually better. There's no point in making them read it when they either skip it entirely, force themselves through it, or just recount the damn movie to me despite all my efforts to explain that the two mediums are completely different.

edit: The White Stag is a magnificent work, featuring top-tier style and an incredible story. Anyone who says otherwise is just a total philistine!

The child I’m talking about has been a member of the public library since they were five years old. If there is any sense of continuity in my family, it is this culture of reading. When I was setting up a new room for the kids, the very first step wasn't the bed—it was installing the reading lamps...

So, please, don't... It’s honestly heartbreaking to see you trying to pass down this forced, artificial conditioning to the next generation...

wanderingbadger44 said:We’re talking about elementary school here.

By the time kids reach high school, they've mostly just been casual readers, occasional visitors to the local library, or maybe they only saw a book during a field trip.

As for electives, I actually invite them in this September during those first few sessions to help build our reading list, giving them a chance to voice what they're actually interested in.

In the end, I usually just give them what they want. 😬 Mostly because they don't offer much of substance themselves, or they'll joke around with titles like, "Little Red Riding Hood! Picture books! Pinocchio! No, no, Pinocchio takes too long! I'm the weakest kid in class! Jack and Mary!" Eventually, they just hand the whole list over to me.

The seventh graders, though, always seem to gravitate toward things like the Prince's diaries and similar stuff. 🙄

I honestly don't get where this stubborn public delusion comes from—this idea that kids would read if it weren't for some grumpy old professors insisting on Homer. That's why they won't touch it.

Kids just don't read. Period. And honestly, I get it. Visual media has seriously stunted their ability to visualize things on their own. They are constantly fed ready-made images. Reading requires a huge time investment, and life moves way too fast for that now. It's just the reality of it.

Nobody is to blame for this situation, so please stop pointing the finger at damn good authors or the curriculum itself.

Unless you're going to sit here and argue that Daniel Defoe isn't a great writer or that his Robinson Crusoe isn't a masterpiece? I stopped assigning him a long time ago, and I think that's actually better. There's no point in making them read it when they either skip it entirely, force themselves through it, or just recount the damn movie to me despite all my efforts to explain that the two mediums are completely different.

edit: The White Stag is a magnificent work, featuring top-tier style and an incredible story. Anyone who says otherwise is just a total philistine!

Of course. Just like how anyone who doesn't recognize Jackson Pollock as a transcendent genius is clearly just some simpleton with zero appreciation for beauty...

Anthony Ward6 said:it actually is. I guess it’s exactly as wanderingbadger44 laid it out, and anyone thinking otherwise is probably just living in a massive delusion. Voting matters mostly for nations that actually have a reading culture and a robust education system, which America doesn't have and likely won't have for at least the next 50 years.

I suppose you have to lay some actual foundations before you can start building anything on top of them.

There we go, now we’re just uneducated Americans without any literary culture...

You can only build a foundation by inspiring someone, not by forcing them into it. Isn't our own history proof enough of that?
Lawrence Torres56 Lawrence Torres56 Active Member
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#324 ·
Kate Cox2 said:I honestly don't follow the logic here—is she just allowed to opt out of discussing a story simply because she finds it uninteresting? Is that the standard now? If she decides she isn't feeling an art project, she just won't do it? Is that perfectly acceptable? By that reasoning, when she’s faced with a tedious English assignment, will she just skip that too? Or math? Good grief. You simply complete the task at hand if you want a decent grade. If you don't care about the grade, then fine, settle for a D or an F, but be fully aware that there are consequences (which, frankly, are for the parent to decide).
It doesn't bother me one bit if she receives a lower grade than she anticipated when she's struggling with a concept... she can just practice and improve. But if she simply refuses to try? Well, that's a different conversation entirely, and we would handle that very differently at home...

I am totally on board with that...

It’s honestly such a shame when parents don't realize they're actually sabotaging their own kid by acting this way—the kind of thing they're eventually going to regret themselves down the road.
rowdypanther12 rowdypanther12 Regular
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#325 ·
I’m about halfway through my required reading list right now.😂
First off, we really need to define what "required reading" actually means. Is it a fundamental part of an education, or just an institutionalized attempt to force kids to read?
If it's the former, then I honestly don't see any issue with books like *Judith and the Mountains*.
But if it's the latter, then the entire selection of books needs a serious overhaul.
In my opinion, elementary schools should focus more on engaging, fun books, while still including those essential classics regardless of how "exciting" they are.
By high school, well... if you loved reading, you loved it; if you didn't, it's probably not going to happen.
wanderingbadger44 wanderingbadger44 Active Member
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#326 ·
brightheron64 said:Quincy...

Blah, blah, blah...

I’ll just mention one thing:

I had Nazorov as required reading back in elementary school myself. Only difference is, I was reading Percy Jackson instead of White Deer... 😉

The child I’m talking about has been a member of the public library since they were five years old. If there is any sense of continuity in my family, it is this culture of reading. When I was setting up a new room for the kids, the very first step wasn't the bed—it was installing the reading lamps...

So, please, don't... It’s honestly heartbreaking to see you trying to pass down this forced, artificial conditioning to the next generation...

Of course. Just like how anyone who doesn't recognize Jackson Pollock as a transcendent genius is clearly just some simpleton with zero appreciation for beauty...

There we go, now we’re just uneducated Americans without any literary culture...

You can only build a foundation by inspiring someone, not by forcing them into it. Isn't our own history proof enough of that?

I suppose they’re just as articulate as your daughter, who spends all her time buried in books but can't tell you a single thing about what she's read besides saying, "It was boring."

And then comes the crying when it's time for report cards.
brightheron64 brightheron64 Regular
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#327 ·
wanderingbadger44 said:I suppose they’re just as articulate as your daughter, who spends all her time buried in books but can't tell you a single thing about what she's read besides saying, "It was boring."

And then comes the crying when it's time for report cards.

No, she isn't whining about the grade—she was just feeling a bit embarrassed, really. She got exactly what she deserved, so let's just call it a day and move on...

But honestly, I completely respect her right to come to her own conclusions and experience things on her own terms... whether she finds the whole thing trivial or absolutely world-class...

You’re basically labeling me a flat-earther, all while conveniently ignoring how much the establishment has burned through its own credibility just because they refused to bow down to the fundamental truth... that very same canon you seem so incredibly desperate to defend...
Tyler Ruiz502 Tyler Ruiz502 Active Member
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#328 ·
wanderingbadger44 said:We’re talking about elementary school here.

By the time kids reach high school, they've mostly just been casual readers, occasional visitors to the local library, or maybe they only saw a book during a field trip.

As for electives, I actually invite them in this September during those first few sessions to help build our reading list, giving them a chance to voice what they're actually interested in.

In the end, I usually just give them what they want. 😬 Mostly because they don't offer much of substance themselves, or they'll joke around with titles like, "Little Red Riding Hood! Picture books! Pinocchio! No, no, Pinocchio takes too long! I'm the weakest kid in class! Jack and Mary!" Eventually, they just hand the whole list over to me.

The seventh graders, though, always seem to gravitate toward things like the Prince's diaries and similar stuff. 🙄

I honestly don't get where this stubborn public delusion comes from—this idea that kids would read if it weren't for some grumpy old professors insisting on Homer. That's why they won't touch it.

Kids just don't read. Period. And honestly, I get it. Visual media has seriously stunted their ability to visualize things on their own. They are constantly fed ready-made images. Reading requires a huge time investment, and life moves way too fast for that now. It's just the reality of it.

Nobody is to blame for this situation, so please stop pointing the finger at damn good authors or the curriculum itself.

Unless you're going to sit here and argue that Daniel Defoe isn't a great writer or that his Robinson Crusoe isn't a masterpiece? I stopped assigning him a long time ago, and I think that's actually better. There's no point in making them read it when they either skip it entirely, force themselves through it, or just recount the damn movie to me despite all my efforts to explain that the two mediums are completely different.

edit: The White Stag is a magnificent work, featuring top-tier style and an incredible story. Anyone who says otherwise is just a total philistine!

Sure, adults might resonate with that, but an eight-year-old? Not a chance. I still remember reading it when I was eight—my internal monologue was basically just "WTF."

Now that I’m 35, having been prompted by this whole island discussion, I found myself scrolling through some old digital archives, thinking about how many books—not just this one, but plenty of others in my collection—I’d love to revisit just to see if my perspective has shifted. To see if I actually *get* it now.

Because looking back from where I am today, I think those books are undeniably valuable and important... they just aren't meant for kids that age.
I used to devour trashy novels like crazy—I mean, I was flying through those Goosebumps books at a rate of 200 pages a day when I was thirteen.
But even then, I couldn't wrap my head around the point of some of the "classics" on the school reading list. 🙏Tyler Ruiz502:
wanderingbadger44 wanderingbadger44 Active Member
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#329 ·
brightheron64 said:No, she isn't whining about the grade—she was just feeling a bit embarrassed, really. She got exactly what she deserved, so let's just call it a day and move on...

But honestly, I completely respect her right to come to her own conclusions and experience things on her own terms... whether she finds the whole thing trivial or absolutely world-class...

You’re basically labeling me a flat-earther, all while conveniently ignoring how much the establishment has burned through its own credibility just because they refused to bow down to the fundamental truth... that very same canon you seem so incredibly desperate to defend...

I suppose I really should have guessed you were the one doing the complaining here; kids are usually sharper than that and they generally understand when they’ve actually earned their outcome.

But I completely agree with her right to come to her own conclusions and experience things by her own standards, whether she finds them trivial or absolutely brilliant.

It's the same for me and my colleagues, which is why we ask those questions you dismissed as stupid: what did you enjoy, what was your impression, how did the work resonate with you?

When all we get back is a dismissive "it was whatever," it doesn't exactly feel like critical thinking is happening. We must be terrible people for wanting actual arguments, reasoning, quotes, or a bit of healthy debate...
You're labeling me a flat-earther while ignoring how much dirt everyone gets on themselves when they push back against the fundamental truth... that canon you're defending so fiercely.

Oh sure, because apparently every kid you know is the next Copernicus or Jordan Bruno 🤣 Poor kids, having to live up to expectations like yours. 😢
brightheron64 brightheron64 Regular
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#330 ·
wanderingbadger44 Asks:
I honestly should have guessed it was you doing all that whining. Even kids are sharper than that—they actually understand when they’ve earned something...
(

No, I’m certainly not begging—why on earth would I do that? On the contrary, I truly believe she finally got exactly what was coming to her...

wanderingbadger44 said:I suppose I really should have guessed you were the one doing the complaining here; kids are usually sharper than that and they generally understand when they’ve actually earned their outcome.

But I completely agree with her right to come to her own conclusions and experience things by her own standards, whether she finds them trivial or absolutely brilliant.

It's the same for me and my colleagues, which is why we ask those questions you dismissed as stupid: what did you enjoy, what was your impression, how did the work resonate with you?

When all we get back is a dismissive "it was whatever," it doesn't exactly feel like critical thinking is happening. We must be terrible people for wanting actual arguments, reasoning, quotes, or a bit of healthy debate...
You're labeling me a flat-earther while ignoring how much dirt everyone gets on themselves when they push back against the fundamental truth... that canon you're defending so fiercely.

Oh sure, because apparently every kid you know is the next Copernicus or Jordan Bruno 🤣 Poor kids, having to live up to expectations like yours. 😢

Just imagine...

I’m sure you’ve sat through a lesson or two where the story of Ivica and Mary was brought up at least once... But honestly, when you ask a student a question like that, what are you actually looking for? What is the real point of the story anyway...

So, is Ivica really that persistent little guy who just pushed through every single obstacle in his path...?

The idea that a father could justify abandoning his own children in the woods just because he had an abusive wife or was struggling with poverty... honestly, it’s something I can’t quite wrap my head around... It feels like such a profound failure of basic human instinct, doesn't it? To blame one's circumstances or a difficult marriage for something so fundamentally heartless... it just doesn't sit right with me...

Is there a third option we haven't considered yet? Are we really looking at a scenario where kids end up in serious trouble just because they couldn't get their hands on some candy...

wanderingbadger44 Asks:

Oh, please, let’s be real here... it feels like every single one of your kids turned out to be nothing more than a carbon copy of Copernicus or Jordan Bruna Jadan... 🤣 Poor kids, really... burdened by the weight of expectations like yours... 😢

Oh, please, let's not pretend we're all shocked... it's clearly just more whining from those poor, overworked teachers...

What does it actually feel like to be a metronome that’s been ticking out the exact same rhythm for forty years straight... only to have one of its internal gears snap, forcing a complete overhaul of the cylinder and, ultimately, changing the melody itself...
Anthony Ward6 Anthony Ward6 Active Member
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#331 ·
brightheron64 said:Quincy...

Blah, blah, blah...

I’ll just mention one thing:

I had Nazorov as required reading back in elementary school myself. Only difference is, I was reading Percy Jackson instead of White Deer... 😉

The child I’m talking about has been a member of the public library since they were five years old. If there is any sense of continuity in my family, it is this culture of reading. When I was setting up a new room for the kids, the very first step wasn't the bed—it was installing the reading lamps...

So, please, don't... It’s honestly heartbreaking to see you trying to pass down this forced, artificial conditioning to the next generation...

Of course. Just like how anyone who doesn't recognize Jackson Pollock as a transcendent genius is clearly just some simpleton with zero appreciation for beauty...

There we go, now we’re just uneducated Americans without any literary culture...

You can only build a foundation by inspiring someone, not by forcing them into it. Isn't our own history proof enough of that?

Well... yeah. We are. The Secretary of Education is on Facebook posting about how she managed to find some cherries and strawberries, while Americans statistically read less than the European Union average. It always surprises me how little people realize what's actually happening in their own country.

Yeah, it really is THAT bad.
I suppose it might be time we stopped lying to ourselves.

You can only build foundations by encouraging someone, not by forcing them. Isn't our own history the best proof of that?

No. Actually, quite the opposite—our history shows us that we HAVE to be forced to work, because we're an incredibly lazy and incompetent people who only function properly under someone else's boot. Giving Americans freedom of choice is a very, very dangerous game, because there's a 90% chance they'll choose wrong.

No required reading list is even being considered—not in a country where the loudest rural crowd thinks high schoolers are too young to read ANYTHING that mentions sex. We have to lay down some foundations (first and foremost) so we stop raising total imbeciles who lack critical thinking skills—which we currently don't have (not that I mean to offend anyone), and once we fix that... then maybe we can pretend to be like the Finns.
Larry Walker24 Larry Walker24 Veteran
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#332 ·
We should run a poll at the local high school to see how many students actually finished reading Judith. If even 10% say yes, I’ll eat my hat.

Hands down the worst book ever assigned for school—the death of Smail aga Čengić. What is the point of a book where 75% of the text is basically in some ancient dialect? And don't even get me started on War and Peace with all those random French phrases thrown in. Absolute garbage.

The freshmen tell me they can't wrap their heads around the Iliad or the Odyssey because the lyrical style makes zero sense to them. So, I suggested they check out Gustav Schwab—his collection of classic tales puts the Iliad and Odyssey into prose, which actually helps you understand what's going on.

Now they're finishing Dante's Inferno and telling me they couldn't care less about books written in verse. They just don't get it.

Honestly, when you hand kids reading material like this, they just flat-out refuse to read anything at all.

You expect a kid who spends his entire day on Facebook and... well, other stuff... to sit down and read Judith? Are we serious right now? 🤦

In high school, they’re juggling 17 different subjects, and then they’re expected to dive into these classics too? No wonder they won't touch an American literature assignment unless it's required for the SATs.
Larry Walker24 Larry Walker24 Veteran
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#333 ·
Those novels that claim to be "stream of consciousness"... give me a break. Faulkner’s *As I Lay Dying*? What kind of garbage is that? Honestly, worst book I've ever picked up. Absolutely revolting.

Supposedly, according to these surveys, *The Catcher in the Rye* has been sitting at the top of the list for students for years now. I seriously don't get it.

Why aren't we giving kids something like *The Master and Margarita* instead?

Or maybe some Laclos, like *Les Liaisons dangereuses*?

Even for English class, they could just dive into Tolkien's *Silmarillion*—even if there isn't an American translation yet.

Or for German class, check out *Miriam Preisler - Bitterschokolade*. Highly recommend it. You can even borrow it from the Goethe Institute. It's perfect for high school freshmen or sophomores.
nimblelynx7 nimblelynx7 Regular
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#334 ·
silentraven6 said:So, I guess you felt the need to step in and give the kid a full-blown life lesson through some heavy-handed criticism, since their teacher clearly wasn't going to do it.

Reasoned criticism. That's a good one. 😁

Back in my day, we got torn apart just for saying we didn't like a book. It didn't matter why—every single reading assignment was supposedly a masterpiece that you were required to love. We had to fill at least fifteen pages of notebooks with nothing but praise, or you'd end up with an F. (And mind you, I graduated from a technical high school).

If that doesn't foster a culture of reading, I don't know what will.

silentraven6 said:wanderingbadger44, man, I don't think it's quite like that.

There are certain titles out there that just don't offer anything of substance. They get treated like relics from the Stone Age, taught without any actual critical thinking, basically just acting as mindless extensions of literary history.

And let's be honest, teachers aren't always open to a different perspective.

We could go on forever about what defines "the canon." To me, the word "canon" is often just a convenient excuse for poor teaching methods. Historically, it’s been used as a tool for ideological indoctrination to maintain the social status quo. I mean, why is one author considered a classic while someone like Mile Budak is being pushed into the curriculum?

In my opinion, the fix is a 50/50 split: mandatory reading accompanied by reading journals and written tests—plus other ways of analyzing the work—balanced against elective reading for presentations.

If you had to split the purpose of schooling by percentage—between actual education and social indoctrination—how would you divide it?
Larry Walker24 Larry Walker24 Veteran
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#335 ·
I highly doubt any professor actually finished all those massive installments of "In Search of Lost Time" or even those sixteen volumes of "Gordana."

I mean, I still remember how they totally screwed us over in class with that "fishing and fisherman's complaints" bit. As soon as the prof mentioned there was a cookbook involved, we all lost our minds and spent way more time obsessing over that than the actual literature.

That’s what matters, honestly—not his deep thoughts about sailing a boat from a place like Miami toward the Keys.
Anthony Ward6 Anthony Ward6 Active Member
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#336 ·
Larry Walker24 said:Those novels that claim to be "stream of consciousness"... give me a break. Faulkner’s *As I Lay Dying*? What kind of garbage is that? Honestly, worst book I've ever picked up. Absolutely revolting.

Supposedly, according to these surveys, *The Catcher in the Rye* has been sitting at the top of the list for students for years now. I seriously don't get it.

Why aren't we giving kids something like *The Master and Margarita* instead?

Or maybe some Laclos, like *Les Liaisons dangereuses*?

Even for English class, they could just dive into Tolkien's *Silmarillion*—even if there isn't an American translation yet.

Or for German class, check out *Miriam Preisler - Bitterschokolade*. Highly recommend it. You can even borrow it from the Goethe Institute. It's perfect for high school freshmen or sophomores.

I guess that’s really where the issue lies—kids today are incredibly lazy. It seems like any book that isn't written in the simplest possible prose is too much for them; heaven forbid they actually have to look a word up in a dictionary or sit with a bit of subtext for a moment. I suppose Hunter in the Rye is popular simply because it's easy to digest, making it perfect reading for the unmotivated. And honestly, we shouldn't be coddling high schoolers just because they find things challenging—what's next, cutting math from the curriculum because it's too difficult or boring for them?

You bring up Lord of the Rings—well, I'd bet almost 90% of them would give up within the first thirty pages. Those books are incredibly dense and, frankly, quite tedious at times. Even the Hobbit is probably one of the most boring books ever written. Most would just watch the movies instead. I think people should focus on reading works that actually carry some weight, whether literary or historical. It feels a bit ridiculous to complain about high schoolers being unable to grasp a complex required reading, really. Parents are basically raising their kids to be completely incompetent.
feralmoose32 feralmoose32 Regular
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#337 ·
I was such an avid reader growing up—honestly, I think I might be one of those rare souls who actually finished every single required book on the school reading list, plus a massive mountain of other stuff from all sorts of different genres

I don't really recall my elementary school reading assignments being some sort of traumatic ordeal, especially in the lower grades—in fact, I’m struggling even to remember if we were assigned much at all...
And once I hit the higher grades, nothing really felt overwhelming or problematic either.

Back in high school, though, we had this one homeroom teacher from the local community, and with him, we would dissect a single book for literal weeks—but with such intense detail! For instance, with Zoli, he actually asked us what the characters had for lunch in one specific scene (which even I didn't know 🤣 ) or, taking Romeo and Juliet, he'd ask what color the sky was during a certain moment...
To this day, I can tell you they were having potato soup for lunch and that the sky was a leaden gray, but I completely messed up my college entrance exams because there were about half the books they covered in other schools that I hadn't even heard of
So, yeah, taking it easy with the mandatory reading lists... in the long run, it just isn't good for anyone...
silentraven6 silentraven6 Regular
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#338 ·
It’s honestly not a good idea to get lazy in the long run if we want our standardized testing and high school graduation exams to actually mean something. I don't want us reaching a point where they base everything on trivial nonsense—like asking which song was playing in the background during that scene in *Olga* and *Lina* when they find the piano, or what color flower Julia had tucked in her hair when Romeo first saw her, or even what shade of blue the sky was in *Romeo and Juliet*. We need substance, not trivia.

The worst part about all this is that people start asking these kinds of questions before they’ve even sat kids down to explain what the symbols mean. They don't bother pointing out those specific moments that actually deserve extra attention—whether it's within the pacing, the overall work, or just the flow of the action itself.

The fundamental question really comes down to this: what is the actual purpose of required reading, and who exactly gets to decide which books earn the title of "classic," "canonical," or a "masterpiece"?

Like I’ve said before, what actually makes up "the canon" isn't some fixed, holy truth. It’s really just whatever the zeitgeist decides it is at any given moment. You’ve got groups of hyper-focused literary historians—including those self-proclaimed "experts" who act like they discovered everything yesterday—as well as the academic establishment (usually those folks over at the Academy of Sciences who, let's be honest, often lacked any real teaching intuition even back when they were lecturing at universities). Then you have the social order shaped by ideology, and even small circles of dedicated humanists who are genuinely trying to make a difference. The canon is always being re-evaluated. It isn't some untouchable, sacred category that stays frozen for centuries; it never has been in history. Throughout time, the selection of canonical authors and works has been swayed by all sorts of phenomena—most often that pedagogical and didactic element used to serve specific ideologies, certain ways of teaching, or particular methods of study.

I honestly can't get behind this whole idea that kids today are lazier than previous generations just because of how they handle required reading. Let's be real here—kids have always been lazy. Every single one of us knows that. I'm 34 years old now, and even back then, only a tiny fraction of us actually sat down to read entire books from cover to cover, let alone any extra stuff. If anything, I think it was even worse in the past. Remember those ridiculous reading logs? Those massive 25-page booklets where you had to list everything you "read"? Half the time, it was just moms sitting there filling them out for their kids. It was a total sham. Nowadays, with the way written tests are structured, it’s much harder to cheat like that. It feels like the focus has shifted toward actual discussion and dialogue about the books, which is a much better way to see if someone actually engaged with the story.

That’s a whole different conversation: what even qualifies as "required reading," and what is its actual purpose? Does it really need to be confined strictly to American literature classes?

It feels like we’re constantly trying to justify ourselves by clinging to the canon. We act like because we forced these books down everyone's throats, and they turn out to be terrible or just too much work to actually read, then it’s somehow not our fault. It's like we're shifting the blame. A massive group of people decided that ten specific works were "masterpieces" just because of some high-brow artistic label, but most people don't want them. To them, it's all just a chore—too heavy, too tedious, just plain exhausting. It’s honestly a bit pathetic.

We basically washed our hands of their whole reading culture. I mean, the entire idea behind required school reading was to cultivate a genuine love for books, to sharpen aesthetic judgment, and to build up critical thinking skills—not just to serve as a dry history lesson on literature.

My favorite type of people are those who constantly lecture everyone else about "the classics," even though they only ever cracked them open because it was required for a high school English credit and haven't touched them since. Seriously, how is that even considered reading? How is that supposed to be a love for literature? About 90% of these critics—the ones calling everyone else lazy for skipping the old stuff—have never actually picked up one of those books again, let alone explored another work by the same author. They remind me of those religious types who swear by the Bible but haven't read a single actual letter from it unless they're hearing it read aloud during a sermon at church.

The whole idea that Americans don't read? Honestly, I think that’s complete nonsense. It's just not true. You can't look at a claim like that and call it a valid data point when you aren't even accounting for all the variables. People are reading; they're just doing it differently than how some folks might expect.

When you look at the data, most people focus on book acquisitions or, more recently, how libraries are adding physical media to their collections. But honestly, even that doesn't give you the full picture. It’s impossible to get an accurate sense of the actual state of things because not every library is integrated into the central database—like the Library of Congress system. You also end up missing out on private exchanges between institutions, small local home libraries, and we’ve only just started accounting for alternative sources like e-readers. There are just too many gaps in the data to say we have the whole story.
Also, what can we actually say about library access across the US? Does anyone here actually know what the situation looks like on the ground? I’m curious how well-equipped school libraries in smaller towns really are—specifically regarding collections that aren't just strictly required reading lists. What are they doing to actually encourage kids to read for pleasure? Are librarians in those smaller communities taking the initiative to build up their own little collections to spark some interest in the smallest readers?

I could be really mean here and say that if my kid wanted to find something beyond the required reading list, he’d first have to hunt down a librarian somewhere in the school hallways and try to actually strike up a conversation that isn't just, "Hey, I need this for class." But honestly, I know that's not how it works, and I truly respect the work librarians do all over the US. They run such incredible programs and workshops. How many of them are doing that kind of heavy lifting? I don't know, but it feels like there aren't nearly enough. On one hand, you have my life in a place like Chicago—I'm basically a professional bibliophile who spends way more time tucked away in libraries than the average person. I feel at home in them. Instead of grabbing coffee on a busy street corner, I’d much rather be sitting in a library, reading, working, or just chatting with the staff. But then there's the rest of the country. There's the issue of accessibility, the actual availability of books, and the reality that for a lot of people, purchasing power is just too low to make reading an easy choice.

And why on earth should reading assignments be confined strictly to English class? If we’re actually serious about encouraging people to read—if we really care about preserving literary history, the canon, and all that other stuff—then we can do it during math, history, or physics too. Think about the massive potential hidden in the papers of legendary physicists. Honestly, let's stop this constant brainwashing in English class that strips the subject of its actual purpose. Let them read in the original languages they're learning in school; let them dive into scientific papers, essays, or even feuilletons. It’s absurd to act like English class is the only way to spark an interest in reading, or like reading is nothing more than just picking up a piece of fiction.
wanderingbadger44 wanderingbadger44 Active Member
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#339 ·
You are building your entire argument on two fundamentally flawed premises. First:

silentraven6 said:It’s honestly not a good idea to get lazy in the long run if we want our standardized testing and high school graduation exams to actually mean something. I don't want us reaching a point where they base everything on trivial nonsense—like asking which song was playing in the background during that scene in *Olga* and *Lina* when they find the piano, or what color flower Julia had tucked in her hair when Romeo first saw her, or even what shade of blue the sky was in *Romeo and Juliet*. We need substance, not trivia.

The worst part about all this is that people start asking these kinds of questions before they’ve even sat kids down to explain what the symbols mean. They don't bother pointing out those specific moments that actually deserve extra attention—whether it's within the pacing, the overall work, or just the flow of the action itself.

The fundamental question really comes down to this: what is the actual purpose of required reading, and who exactly gets to decide which books earn the title of "classic," "canonical," or a "masterpiece"?

Like I’ve said before, what actually makes up "the canon" isn't some fixed, holy truth. It’s really just whatever the zeitgeist decides it is at any given moment. You’ve got groups of hyper-focused literary historians—including those self-proclaimed "experts" who act like they discovered everything yesterday—as well as the academic establishment (usually those folks over at the Academy of Sciences who, let's be honest, often lacked any real teaching intuition even back when they were lecturing at universities). Then you have the social order shaped by ideology, and even small circles of dedicated humanists who are genuinely trying to make a difference. The canon is always being re-evaluated. It isn't some untouchable, sacred category that stays frozen for centuries; it never has been in history. Throughout time, the selection of canonical authors and works has been swayed by all sorts of phenomena—most often that pedagogical and didactic element used to serve specific ideologies, certain ways of teaching, or particular methods of study.

I honestly can't get behind this whole idea that kids today are lazier than previous generations just because of how they handle required reading. Let's be real here—kids have always been lazy. Every single one of us knows that. I'm 34 years old now, and even back then, only a tiny fraction of us actually sat down to read entire books from cover to cover, let alone any extra stuff. If anything, I think it was even worse in the past. Remember those ridiculous reading logs? Those massive 25-page booklets where you had to list everything you "read"? Half the time, it was just moms sitting there filling them out for their kids. It was a total sham. Nowadays, with the way written tests are structured, it’s much harder to cheat like that. It feels like the focus has shifted toward actual discussion and dialogue about the books, which is a much better way to see if someone actually engaged with the story.

That’s a whole different conversation: what even qualifies as "required reading," and what is its actual purpose? Does it really need to be confined strictly to American literature classes?

It feels like we’re constantly trying to justify ourselves by clinging to the canon. We act like because we forced these books down everyone's throats, and they turn out to be terrible or just too much work to actually read, then it’s somehow not our fault. It's like we're shifting the blame. A massive group of people decided that ten specific works were "masterpieces" just because of some high-brow artistic label, but most people don't want them. To them, it's all just a chore—too heavy, too tedious, just plain exhausting. It’s honestly a bit pathetic.

We basically washed our hands of their whole reading culture. I mean, the entire idea behind required school reading was to cultivate a genuine love for books, to sharpen aesthetic judgment, and to build up critical thinking skills—not just to serve as a dry history lesson on literature.

My favorite type of people are those who constantly lecture everyone else about "the classics," even though they only ever cracked them open because it was required for a high school English credit and haven't touched them since. Seriously, how is that even considered reading? How is that supposed to be a love for literature? About 90% of these critics—the ones calling everyone else lazy for skipping the old stuff—have never actually picked up one of those books again, let alone explored another work by the same author. They remind me of those religious types who swear by the Bible but haven't read a single actual letter from it unless they're hearing it read aloud during a sermon at church.

The whole idea that Americans don't read? Honestly, I think that’s complete nonsense. It's just not true. You can't look at a claim like that and call it a valid data point when you aren't even accounting for all the variables. People are reading; they're just doing it differently than how some folks might expect.

When you look at the data, most people focus on book acquisitions or, more recently, how libraries are adding physical media to their collections. But honestly, even that doesn't give you the full picture. It’s impossible to get an accurate sense of the actual state of things because not every library is integrated into the central database—like the Library of Congress system. You also end up missing out on private exchanges between institutions, small local home libraries, and we’ve only just started accounting for alternative sources like e-readers. There are just too many gaps in the data to say we have the whole story.
Also, what can we actually say about library access across the US? Does anyone here actually know what the situation looks like on the ground? I’m curious how well-equipped school libraries in smaller towns really are—specifically regarding collections that aren't just strictly required reading lists. What are they doing to actually encourage kids to read for pleasure? Are librarians in those smaller communities taking the initiative to build up their own little collections to spark some interest in the smallest readers?

I could be really mean here and say that if my kid wanted to find something beyond the required reading list, he’d first have to hunt down a librarian somewhere in the school hallways and try to actually strike up a conversation that isn't just, "Hey, I need this for class." But honestly, I know that's not how it works, and I truly respect the work librarians do all over the US. They run such incredible programs and workshops. How many of them are doing that kind of heavy lifting? I don't know, but it feels like there aren't nearly enough. On one hand, you have my life in a place like Chicago—I'm basically a professional bibliophile who spends way more time tucked away in libraries than the average person. I feel at home in them. Instead of grabbing coffee on a busy street corner, I’d much rather be sitting in a library, reading, working, or just chatting with the staff. But then there's the rest of the country. There's the issue of accessibility, the actual availability of books, and the reality that for a lot of people, purchasing power is just too low to make reading an easy choice.

And why on earth should reading assignments be confined strictly to English class? If we’re actually serious about encouraging people to read—if we really care about preserving literary history, the canon, and all that other stuff—then we can do it during math, history, or physics too. Think about the massive potential hidden in the papers of legendary physicists. Honestly, let's stop this constant brainwashing in English class that strips the subject of its actual purpose. Let them read in the original languages they're learning in school; let them dive into scientific papers, essays, or even feuilletons. It’s absurd to act like English class is the only way to spark an interest in reading, or like reading is nothing more than just picking up a piece of fiction.

The SAT isn't based on what you're claiming. It's simple enough to verify because everything is completely transparent, and you can find last year's national exam papers all over the internet.

Only someone incapable of reading the provided text would stir up an outcry over a question like "what color was Judith's ring?" from a few years back, especially when anyone could clearly see from the lines provided that Judith had a "ruby red on her fingers." Or take that recent nonsense regarding Hemingway, where people were foolishly circling a quote describing an infection and a high fever to claim the heroine died in a fire.

The point is, they weren't testing trivia; they were testing reading comprehension based strictly on the PROVIDED EXCERPT.

Second:

The canon is subject to re-evaluation in every era; it isn't some untouchable category that stays frozen for centuries.

That is entirely incorrect. You really ought to check the dictionary under the primary definition of the word canon.

Homer, Dante, Shakespeare, and Baudelaire will always be part of the canon. And so will Shakespeare, Milton, and Hemingway.

The canon can certainly expand to include contemporary works, which makes perfect sense. But it doesn't change, and you can't have some fool claiming "ugh, Judith" as if she's suddenly irrelevant. I mean, sure, they can try. Obviously. 🙄

It's the same kind of logic people use when they question whether the Earth is round or if vaccines cause autism. ☕
feralmoose32 feralmoose32 Regular
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#340 ·
silentraven6 said:It’s honestly not a good idea to get lazy in the long run if we want our standardized testing and high school graduation exams to actually mean something. I don't want us reaching a point where they base everything on trivial nonsense—like asking which song was playing in the background during that scene in *Olga* and *Lina* when they find the piano, or what color flower Julia had tucked in her hair when Romeo first saw her, or even what shade of blue the sky was in *Romeo and Juliet*. We need substance, not trivia.

The worst part about all this is that people start asking these kinds of questions before they’ve even sat kids down to explain what the symbols mean. They don't bother pointing out those specific moments that actually deserve extra attention—whether it's within the pacing, the overall work, or just the flow of the action itself.

The fundamental question really comes down to this: what is the actual purpose of required reading, and who exactly gets to decide which books earn the title of "classic," "canonical," or a "masterpiece"?

Like I’ve said before, what actually makes up "the canon" isn't some fixed, holy truth. It’s really just whatever the zeitgeist decides it is at any given moment. You’ve got groups of hyper-focused literary historians—including those self-proclaimed "experts" who act like they discovered everything yesterday—as well as the academic establishment (usually those folks over at the Academy of Sciences who, let's be honest, often lacked any real teaching intuition even back when they were lecturing at universities). Then you have the social order shaped by ideology, and even small circles of dedicated humanists who are genuinely trying to make a difference. The canon is always being re-evaluated. It isn't some untouchable, sacred category that stays frozen for centuries; it never has been in history. Throughout time, the selection of canonical authors and works has been swayed by all sorts of phenomena—most often that pedagogical and didactic element used to serve specific ideologies, certain ways of teaching, or particular methods of study.

I honestly can't get behind this whole idea that kids today are lazier than previous generations just because of how they handle required reading. Let's be real here—kids have always been lazy. Every single one of us knows that. I'm 34 years old now, and even back then, only a tiny fraction of us actually sat down to read entire books from cover to cover, let alone any extra stuff. If anything, I think it was even worse in the past. Remember those ridiculous reading logs? Those massive 25-page booklets where you had to list everything you "read"? Half the time, it was just moms sitting there filling them out for their kids. It was a total sham. Nowadays, with the way written tests are structured, it’s much harder to cheat like that. It feels like the focus has shifted toward actual discussion and dialogue about the books, which is a much better way to see if someone actually engaged with the story.

That’s a whole different conversation: what even qualifies as "required reading," and what is its actual purpose? Does it really need to be confined strictly to American literature classes?

It feels like we’re constantly trying to justify ourselves by clinging to the canon. We act like because we forced these books down everyone's throats, and they turn out to be terrible or just too much work to actually read, then it’s somehow not our fault. It's like we're shifting the blame. A massive group of people decided that ten specific works were "masterpieces" just because of some high-brow artistic label, but most people don't want them. To them, it's all just a chore—too heavy, too tedious, just plain exhausting. It’s honestly a bit pathetic.

We basically washed our hands of their whole reading culture. I mean, the entire idea behind required school reading was to cultivate a genuine love for books, to sharpen aesthetic judgment, and to build up critical thinking skills—not just to serve as a dry history lesson on literature.

My favorite type of people are those who constantly lecture everyone else about "the classics," even though they only ever cracked them open because it was required for a high school English credit and haven't touched them since. Seriously, how is that even considered reading? How is that supposed to be a love for literature? About 90% of these critics—the ones calling everyone else lazy for skipping the old stuff—have never actually picked up one of those books again, let alone explored another work by the same author. They remind me of those religious types who swear by the Bible but haven't read a single actual letter from it unless they're hearing it read aloud during a sermon at church.

The whole idea that Americans don't read? Honestly, I think that’s complete nonsense. It's just not true. You can't look at a claim like that and call it a valid data point when you aren't even accounting for all the variables. People are reading; they're just doing it differently than how some folks might expect.

When you look at the data, most people focus on book acquisitions or, more recently, how libraries are adding physical media to their collections. But honestly, even that doesn't give you the full picture. It’s impossible to get an accurate sense of the actual state of things because not every library is integrated into the central database—like the Library of Congress system. You also end up missing out on private exchanges between institutions, small local home libraries, and we’ve only just started accounting for alternative sources like e-readers. There are just too many gaps in the data to say we have the whole story.
Also, what can we actually say about library access across the US? Does anyone here actually know what the situation looks like on the ground? I’m curious how well-equipped school libraries in smaller towns really are—specifically regarding collections that aren't just strictly required reading lists. What are they doing to actually encourage kids to read for pleasure? Are librarians in those smaller communities taking the initiative to build up their own little collections to spark some interest in the smallest readers?

I could be really mean here and say that if my kid wanted to find something beyond the required reading list, he’d first have to hunt down a librarian somewhere in the school hallways and try to actually strike up a conversation that isn't just, "Hey, I need this for class." But honestly, I know that's not how it works, and I truly respect the work librarians do all over the US. They run such incredible programs and workshops. How many of them are doing that kind of heavy lifting? I don't know, but it feels like there aren't nearly enough. On one hand, you have my life in a place like Chicago—I'm basically a professional bibliophile who spends way more time tucked away in libraries than the average person. I feel at home in them. Instead of grabbing coffee on a busy street corner, I’d much rather be sitting in a library, reading, working, or just chatting with the staff. But then there's the rest of the country. There's the issue of accessibility, the actual availability of books, and the reality that for a lot of people, purchasing power is just too low to make reading an easy choice.

And why on earth should reading assignments be confined strictly to English class? If we’re actually serious about encouraging people to read—if we really care about preserving literary history, the canon, and all that other stuff—then we can do it during math, history, or physics too. Think about the massive potential hidden in the papers of legendary physicists. Honestly, let's stop this constant brainwashing in English class that strips the subject of its actual purpose. Let them read in the original languages they're learning in school; let them dive into scientific papers, essays, or even feuilletons. It’s absurd to act like English class is the only way to spark an interest in reading, or like reading is nothing more than just picking up a piece of fiction.

I'm totally with you on this—there were always just a couple of us in the class who actually finished the whole thing, while everyone else would skip a chapter here or just ignore parts of it entirely.
Since I'm a bit older, I didn't really grow up during the era where it was trendy for moms to write the 😁
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