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Zachary Bailey3 Zachary Bailey3 Member
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#1041 ·
Man, we’ve got all kinds of people here!
You’ve got the types who can basically memorize an entire textbook word-for-word, yet they can’t even draft a simple set of instructions without making zero sense.
Then you have the other crowd who just don't get why a writer even bothered putting pen to paper—they act like the whole thing is a mystery!
Personally, I fall squarely into the technical camp; honestly, reading through classic literature or obsessing over Nobel Prize winners just totally bores my soul.
At the end of the day, you've gotta master the American language, but we really ought to split students up into those who actually want to write stuff and those who are strictly focused on the technical side of things.
rowdypanther12 rowdypanther12 Regular
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#1042 ·
Does everyone really need to master "carljeniti"? Isn't what Rubin says enough?
nimbleviper3 nimbleviper3 Active Member
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#1043 ·
rowdypanther12 said:Does everyone really need to master "carljeniti"? Isn't what Rubin says enough?

Students these days generally struggle to connect two logical dots and reach a meaningful conclusion.
If you ask me, the culprit is a lack of reading—and I don't just mean school assignments.
Jason Ortiz5 Jason Ortiz5 Regular
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#1044 ·
Sarah Hall53 said:Nah, I just mean it’d be pretty great if you had something to read right before hitting the hay.

Whoops, totally went in reverse there—my bad on the mix-up!

Anyway, setting aside how much school can weigh a kid down, not everyone is a bookworm. I mean, sure, books are awesome. Growing up, my family used to tease me constantly, saying I couldn't even go to the bathroom without a book in hand. I’d practically have one sitting next to my plate during dinner... but hey, that's just me. On the flip side, sports were never my thing. Honestly, watching a game on TV gives me stomach cramps, so imagine if I actually tried playing one! I was always more into PC gaming, though. I was basically installing operating systems while kids my age were still struggling to figure out how to attach a file to an email.

It really bugs me how much pressure there is for kids to be these "well-rounded" superstars who love everything. They're expected to wake up ready to tackle school with puppy-like enthusiasm, crush their homework, devour all those classic novels, play soccer or volleyball, read 50 pages of some heavy literary masterpiece before sleep (because let's face it, I doubt anyone counts Bujold, Herbert, or Bradbury as "required reading"), and then somehow act all offended when a friend asks them to hop online for a quick session on the PlayStation because apparently, gaming is pure evil.
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#1045 ·
Stephens, Bradbury is actually required reading for class. 😉
Jason Ortiz5 Jason Ortiz5 Regular
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#1046 ·
Mad Hatter said:They don't have to, but if they don't, they shouldn't expect to be straight-A students or pull off a perfect 4.0.
An "A" is for people who nail everything with actual passion... or at least nail it even if they're just grinding through it because they want the grade. But hey, no complaining allowed, because there's always an alternative. It's called a C.

So you're telling me if a kid wants an A, they have to basically lose their entire identity and give up all their free time? Just to grind through a mountain of useless busywork that has nothing to do with real life, yet we still demand perfection?

I honestly don't see how my kid is ever going to be a valedictorian. 🤷
hiddendriver34 said:Stephens, Bradbury is actually required reading for class. 😉

Not exactly his best work, though.
hiddendriver34 hiddendriver34 Regular
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#1047 ·
I’ve actually moved this whole interesting conversation over to this other thread.
Let's just stick to talking about required reading lists here.
Susan James Susan James Veteran
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#1048 ·
Kanye As I was saying:
Susan James, what do you think is the actual point of creative assignments in school? I mean, regardless of the subject—do you feel like they actually serve a purpose at all?

Do you think a top-tier student—someone who’s already crushed some STEM competitions here in the States—should follow their heart and enroll in an arts academy or a private fine arts high school? They clearly have the talent and, more importantly, they really want this. Or should we push them toward a traditional prep school or a standard public high school instead? My concern is that the arts academy might not be challenging enough academically, especially since they have the grades and the drive to handle a rigorous academic curriculum. I also wonder about the teachers at those larger preparatory schools. Do you think high school professors there actually have enough creative spark left in them to truly inspire a kid who is a painter at heart?

I’m going to go ahead and restate my question along with the facts, as I’d really love to get your take on this:
Susan James said:Quentin Tarantino

So, I was thinking about what the whole point of school reading assignments actually is. We’ve all been there—sitting in a classroom, staring at a thick novel, wondering why we’re being forced to trek through hundreds of pages of text just because it's on a syllabus. Is it just about checking a box to pass a class? Or is there something deeper to it? Personally, I’ve always felt that those assigned books serve as a way to introduce us to perspectives we might never stumble upon on our own. It's like a guided tour through someone else's brain. Even if I wasn't exactly thrilled about the book at the time, looking back, I can usually find one specific idea or character that really stuck with me. I remember back in high school, I had to read this massive classic that I thought was going to be a total snooze fest. But halfway through, I found myself genuinely rooting for the protagonist. It changed how I thought about empathy, and honestly, that stayed with me much longer than any test grade did. What do you guys think? Is assigned reading a necessary tool for building a well-rounded mind, or is it just an outdated way to test our endurance?
A mom reached out to me recently with a bit of a dilemma. She’s struggling with how to help her kid tackle their required reading assignments, especially since the student is having a really hard time staying motivated. We're talking about trying to get through a book that's around 100 pages long, and the lack of interest is making it tough for them to actually grasp what's happening in the story. It’s one of those situations I see quite often—where the sheer task of sitting down and focusing feels overwhelming for a kid.

Quentin Tarantino

Maybe I totally misread the situation—that hundred-page reading assignment wasn't exactly a walk in the park, but oh well!

I’ve been wondering lately—specifically regarding elementary school kids—do you think these kinds of creative activities actually encourage them to read more? I'm curious if giving them more hands-on, creative assignments helps them grasp the books they're reading on a deeper level.
What’s the actual point of reading assigned books for school? I was thinking about this the other day while sipping my coffee, wondering if we ever really stop to ask why we're being handed these specific novels. Is it just about checking a box, or is there something more to it?
I've been wondering about that myself lately—why is it actually there in the school at all? It feels like one of those things we just accept without really questioning the logic behind it.

I’ve been thinking a lot about how much parents tend to hover over their kids' homework lately, and honestly, I think getting too involved can actually do more harm than good on several different levels. I remember back when I was in middle school, my mom used to sit right next to me while I tackled my math problems. She had this habit of pointing out every little mistake before I could even finish the equation. At the time, I thought she was just being helpful, but looking back, it really killed my confidence. Instead of learning how to work through a tough problem, I just learned how to wait for her to give me the answer. When parents step in too heavily, they often accidentally strip away a child's chance to build independence and critical thinking skills. It’s all about finding that sweet spot—being there for support when things get genuinely overwhelming, but letting them struggle just enough to learn how to solve it themselves. Overstepping might get a better grade on a Tuesday night, but it doesn't prepare them for the real world.
You know I’m generally pretty against this kind of thing. Honestly, I feel like it might even be working against my kid right now, but I really believe there will be some long-term benefits down the road.

I don't really see the harm in a mom just sketching out a circle and cutting it out perfectly if her kid has already done everything else. Honestly, sometimes things just happen—maybe the kid or the parent didn't realize how much precision was actually required for this specific project, or maybe they were just racing against the clock and running out of time. It’s not the end of the world!
If a mother has to spend her own time reading the required book, summarizing it for her child, and then sitting there explaining all the parts the kid didn't quite grasp, that points to a massive failure in the education system. For a teacher to actually realize a student is struggling with reading comprehension or just lacks motivation for the assignment, the child needs to show up to class having actually done the work—not just showing up with a half-baked version because Mom had to do the heavy lifting.

I’m honestly not much of a fan when it comes to those DIY creative projects, especially when it involves things like remote nursing work.
Honestly, I think schools should just let kids do whatever they want. If they want to draw all day, dance around, act out plays, or even try their hand at writing novels inspired by picture books—go for it! As long as they’re doing it within the school setting, it's all good. This is especially true for those after-school programs; that’s the perfect time to let their creativity run wild.
During those first two grades, I think it's a great idea to let kids read their required books during after-school care. It would be such a relief if they could finish up their reading there, so when they finally walk through the front door, they don't have to worry about schoolwork for the remaining 15 hours of the day. That way, they can just focus on playing freely until it's time for bed.

I’m not a school teacher, so I don't have to follow a strict curriculum, but in my line of work, creative techniques are absolute lifesavers for hitting my goals. When I decide to use them, I make sure they actually fit the topic at hand and, more importantly, the person I'm working with. I try to tailor everything to their age, their skill set, and what they’re actually interested in. I also think there's a lot of value in giving people a choice. If someone says, "Actually, I'm not really feeling this approach," I just pivot and we find something else that works. In a traditional classroom setting, you don't really get that luxury—everything is mandatory. You’re basically told you *have* to be creative, whether you feel like it or not! 🤔)

From what I can gather from this discussion, the main takeaway is that fostering creativity in school is absolutely vital. We really need to give kids plenty of opportunities to express themselves creatively because those are the exact skills they’ll need to navigate life later on. Plus, let's be honest—kids just love it. Of course, they naturally love to play, and learning through play definitely leads to better results, but I don't think that's quite the core issue we're tackling here.

My wife was asking me about how they handle book reports over at the local high school, and she actually described two different approaches that I found pretty interesting.
She also went into detail about how much her little one struggles with staying motivated, especially when it comes to reading and actually wrapping their head around what they’ve just read.

The main issue here is that the assignment is one-size-fits-all. It’s being handed out to the entire class exactly the same way, without any adjustments for different learning styles or individual student needs.
And there's another one, much larger than the first. It’s funny—why isn't this handled in the classroom? Instead, it’s assigned as homework, which basically means there's always that risk of a parent stepping in and just doing the whole thing for them. I remember back in middle school, my mom used to help me with my science projects quite a bit, and looking back, I realize how much of the actual work was probably her doing rather than mine!

Looking back at my kid—who was already devouring books before they even hit five—I think I’d probably need to pick up a copy of the book if we didn't have it on our shelf or if the local library branch was out of stock. She’d likely breeze through the required reading in a day or two and then dive headfirst into all that creative stuff: making the pizza, drawing the illustrations, you name it. She’d be totally in the zone. Honestly, I’d probably just stay out of her way entirely, because let’s face it, I’d likely just end up being a distraction!

If you look at this from the perspective of a kid who just isn't into art—maybe someone who doesn't feel particularly talented at drawing or expressing themselves visually—this assignment feels like a total drag. Even if that kid is an amazing reader and genuinely loves getting lost in a good book, being forced to turn that passion into a creative project can feel like nothing but extra frustration. Honestly, looking back, that was exactly how I felt when I was in school. 😬)

From the perspective of a kid who struggles with reading—whether it’s due to dyslexia or just finding it hard to focus—simply getting them motivated enough to pick up a book is already a massive uphill battle. If they know there’s a "creative assignment" waiting for them afterward to prove how much they actually understood, I think that can feel like even more pressure. In the best-case scenario, the process usually goes one of two ways:
-They won't do a thing (unless a parent steps in to satisfy the teacher's assignment)... usually involving tears, lectures, and threats. Even more importantly, they just won't practice reading.
-They’ll tackle the creative part—since they’re good at art—but when it comes to the book and comprehension, they'll just have someone summarize the plot for them (doesn't necessarily have to be a parent) or they'll just watch the movie if there is one. Again, zero actual reading practice. They won't bother practicing writing either (like what we used to do)

In my opinion, assigned reading has lost its fundamental purpose in all these scenarios (though maybe that's just me), and it would be really interesting to actually study whether this way of handling literature increases an interest in reading or actually kills it...
(If nothing else, mathematically speaking, it reduces the amount of time that can be spent actually reading. But hey, if teachers are truly worried about kids spending too much time on TikTok and they hand out assignments like this, then fine—if people want them to just doodle and draw, go ahead, who's stopping them?)

Reading, especially reading comprehension, is the bedrock of education. It's the foundation for everything that follows (especially textbooks)
I think that amidst all these creative imperatives, the core mission has been lost 🤷
If we're talking about the current trends, which is where this discussion started.
But even looking further ahead, I feel bad that in the rush to "lighten the workload," we're actually burdening kids by making them avoid books and reading altogether.

Or perhaps the focus shifted to preschool age, because you see advertisements everywhere screaming about teaching kids to read from their earliest days... Well, if the goal is for them to learn how to read, to actually read, and to actually *love* reading, then that responsibility falls on the parents 🤔
Susan James Susan James Veteran
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#1049 ·
Terry Martinez10 said:Why does it seem like kids only ever touch the books assigned by their teachers? Growing up, my parents used to hand me all sorts of novels and stories, and honestly, they completely sucked me in—I was that kid who would be hiding a paperback under the desk during class just to keep going, or staying up way past my bedtime because the plot was just too intense to put down. Sure, I didn't enjoy every single school assignment, but I always finished them and got the work done. The real trick is fostering that genuine hunger for reading; some books are absolute masterpieces and others are just okay, but you really don't know until you've lived through the pages and actually sat with the ideas afterward.
Because I'm such a bookworm, my kids are constantly asking what I'm reading, so I usually end up spinning a condensed version of the story into a little tale just for them so we have something to talk about; plus, we read books specifically geared toward their age where we’ll draw out the characters or map out the plot together. Most nights, we settle in for a reading session before bed.
I tend to get excited about every new book I pick up and I make sure to tell them all about it, which eventually sparks that same curiosity in them. Most kids don't care for reading simply because they haven't discovered the massive, hidden universe tucked inside a cover yet; maybe they read too slowly to catch the momentum of the plot, or maybe their reading nook isn't cozy enough, or perhaps it’s just that reading isn't viewed as something fun at home, but rather seen as just another chore... like homework, or some tedious task that's just stealing their time.

This is such a lovely post! 😍

By the way, back in high school, I had this absolutely brilliant female teacher at HP. We didn't have to write essays in these massive notebooks or bring anything in to hand over for grading. Instead, we'd just have these deep discussions about the book in class (not necessarily "creative" writing, but you couldn't just fake it by reading a summary). She wouldn't waste our time with trivial stuff like what color someone's dress was, but she would push us to connect the themes to art movements, music, or literature... and she loved making connections to other books and even current events. 😍
(That was way back in the last century. Back before schools were all about "preparing you for life." It really all comes down to the professor.)

I wasn't a huge fan of reading only the required books either. Sometimes, after finishing an assignment, I'd jump straight into something else just to wash away that mindless feeling. 🤣
Terry Martinez10 Terry Martinez10 Active Member
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#1050 ·
Susan James said:This is such a lovely post! 😍

By the way, back in high school, I had this absolutely brilliant female teacher at HP. We didn't have to write essays in these massive notebooks or bring anything in to hand over for grading. Instead, we'd just have these deep discussions about the book in class (not necessarily "creative" writing, but you couldn't just fake it by reading a summary). She wouldn't waste our time with trivial stuff like what color someone's dress was, but she would push us to connect the themes to art movements, music, or literature... and she loved making connections to other books and even current events. 😍
(That was way back in the last century. Back before schools were all about "preparing you for life." It really all comes down to the professor.)

I wasn't a huge fan of reading only the required books either. Sometimes, after finishing an assignment, I'd jump straight into something else just to wash away that mindless feeling. 🤣

I did the exact same thing,😍
honestly, I’d always find myself rushing through whatever boring assignment was on my plate just so I could finally move on to something actually worth my time.
But then again, there were those rare moments where a story would catch me completely off guard with its ending, wouldn't there?
Sarah Hall53 Sarah Hall53 Regular
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#1051 ·
We basically kept two different journals: one was just for pulling quotes and scribbling down stream-of-consciousness thoughts about them—sometimes they were tied directly to the plot, other times we'd just wander off into some random tangent related to the book.
Then came our weekly hour-long debates, which we used to call "quote slapping." It got pretty competitive—we’d show up with books twice as thick as the actual hardcovers because we had stuffed them full of little scraps of paper marking key passages. That way, during the debate, you could whip out a quote at lightning speed to back up your point and shut down the other side. 😍
I absolutely LOVED those sessions.
We even held a mock trial for Judith over a murder mystery. 😂
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#1052 ·
Susan James said:
Kanye As I was saying:
Susan James, what do you think is the actual point of creative assignments in school? I mean, regardless of the subject—do you feel like they actually serve a purpose at all?

Do you think a top-tier student—someone who’s already crushed some STEM competitions here in the States—should follow their heart and enroll in an arts academy or a private fine arts high school? They clearly have the talent and, more importantly, they really want this. Or should we push them toward a traditional prep school or a standard public high school instead? My concern is that the arts academy might not be challenging enough academically, especially since they have the grades and the drive to handle a rigorous academic curriculum. I also wonder about the teachers at those larger preparatory schools. Do you think high school professors there actually have enough creative spark left in them to truly inspire a kid who is a painter at heart?

I’m going to go ahead and restate my question along with the facts, as I’d really love to get your take on this:

I’m not a school teacher, so I don't have to follow a strict curriculum, but in my line of work, creative techniques are absolute lifesavers for hitting my goals. When I decide to use them, I make sure they actually fit the topic at hand and, more importantly, the person I'm working with. I try to tailor everything to their age, their skill set, and what they’re actually interested in. I also think there's a lot of value in giving people a choice. If someone says, "Actually, I'm not really feeling this approach," I just pivot and we find something else that works. In a traditional classroom setting, you don't really get that luxury—everything is mandatory. You’re basically told you *have* to be creative, whether you feel like it or not! 🤔)

From what I can gather from this discussion, the main takeaway is that fostering creativity in school is absolutely vital. We really need to give kids plenty of opportunities to express themselves creatively because those are the exact skills they’ll need to navigate life later on. Plus, let's be honest—kids just love it. Of course, they naturally love to play, and learning through play definitely leads to better results, but I don't think that's quite the core issue we're tackling here.

My wife was asking me about how they handle book reports over at the local high school, and she actually described two different approaches that I found pretty interesting.
She also went into detail about how much her little one struggles with staying motivated, especially when it comes to reading and actually wrapping their head around what they’ve just read.

The main issue here is that the assignment is one-size-fits-all. It’s being handed out to the entire class exactly the same way, without any adjustments for different learning styles or individual student needs.
And there's another one, much larger than the first. It’s funny—why isn't this handled in the classroom? Instead, it’s assigned as homework, which basically means there's always that risk of a parent stepping in and just doing the whole thing for them. I remember back in middle school, my mom used to help me with my science projects quite a bit, and looking back, I realize how much of the actual work was probably her doing rather than mine!

Looking back at my kid—who was already devouring books before they even hit five—I think I’d probably need to pick up a copy of the book if we didn't have it on our shelf or if the local library branch was out of stock. She’d likely breeze through the required reading in a day or two and then dive headfirst into all that creative stuff: making the pizza, drawing the illustrations, you name it. She’d be totally in the zone. Honestly, I’d probably just stay out of her way entirely, because let’s face it, I’d likely just end up being a distraction!

If you look at this from the perspective of a kid who just isn't into art—maybe someone who doesn't feel particularly talented at drawing or expressing themselves visually—this assignment feels like a total drag. Even if that kid is an amazing reader and genuinely loves getting lost in a good book, being forced to turn that passion into a creative project can feel like nothing but extra frustration. Honestly, looking back, that was exactly how I felt when I was in school. 😬)

From the perspective of a kid who struggles with reading—whether it’s due to dyslexia or just finding it hard to focus—simply getting them motivated enough to pick up a book is already a massive uphill battle. If they know there’s a "creative assignment" waiting for them afterward to prove how much they actually understood, I think that can feel like even more pressure. In the best-case scenario, the process usually goes one of two ways:
-They won't do a thing (unless a parent steps in to satisfy the teacher's assignment)... usually involving tears, lectures, and threats. Even more importantly, they just won't practice reading.
-They’ll tackle the creative part—since they’re good at art—but when it comes to the book and comprehension, they'll just have someone summarize the plot for them (doesn't necessarily have to be a parent) or they'll just watch the movie if there is one. Again, zero actual reading practice. They won't bother practicing writing either (like what we used to do)

In my opinion, assigned reading has lost its fundamental purpose in all these scenarios (though maybe that's just me), and it would be really interesting to actually study whether this way of handling literature increases an interest in reading or actually kills it...
(If nothing else, mathematically speaking, it reduces the amount of time that can be spent actually reading. But hey, if teachers are truly worried about kids spending too much time on TikTok and they hand out assignments like this, then fine—if people want them to just doodle and draw, go ahead, who's stopping them?)

Reading, especially reading comprehension, is the bedrock of education. It's the foundation for everything that follows (especially textbooks)
I think that amidst all these creative imperatives, the core mission has been lost 🤷
If we're talking about the current trends, which is where this discussion started.
But even looking further ahead, I feel bad that in the rush to "lighten the workload," we're actually burdening kids by making them avoid books and reading altogether.

Or perhaps the focus shifted to preschool age, because you see advertisements everywhere screaming about teaching kids to read from their earliest days... Well, if the goal is for them to learn how to read, to actually read, and to actually *love* reading, then that responsibility falls on the parents 🤔

Alright, let's switch gears. This is a whole different topic. 😉 I have to say, I’m actually pretty surprised that out of everyone in this group, you’re the one pushing back against creative assignments. Whether it’s an essay prompt or some hands-on project designed to get a kid thinking, I just don't see the issue. These tasks are all about forcing a child to actually engage their brain, dig deep, and come up with an original concept from scratch. It’s about the mental heavy lifting. At the end of the day, it doesn't matter if a kid is a budding Picasso or can't draw a straight line with a ruler. Talent isn't the point here. The whole goal is the process—learning how to brainstorm, how to tackle a problem, and how to start thinking outside the box. That's where the real growth happens.
Susan James said:
Kanye As I was saying:
Susan James, what do you think is the actual point of creative assignments in school? I mean, regardless of the subject—do you feel like they actually serve a purpose at all?

Do you think a top-tier student—someone who’s already crushed some STEM competitions here in the States—should follow their heart and enroll in an arts academy or a private fine arts high school? They clearly have the talent and, more importantly, they really want this. Or should we push them toward a traditional prep school or a standard public high school instead? My concern is that the arts academy might not be challenging enough academically, especially since they have the grades and the drive to handle a rigorous academic curriculum. I also wonder about the teachers at those larger preparatory schools. Do you think high school professors there actually have enough creative spark left in them to truly inspire a kid who is a painter at heart?

I’m going to go ahead and restate my question along with the facts, as I’d really love to get your take on this:

I’m not a school teacher, so I don't have to follow a strict curriculum, but in my line of work, creative techniques are absolute lifesavers for hitting my goals. When I decide to use them, I make sure they actually fit the topic at hand and, more importantly, the person I'm working with. I try to tailor everything to their age, their skill set, and what they’re actually interested in. I also think there's a lot of value in giving people a choice. If someone says, "Actually, I'm not really feeling this approach," I just pivot and we find something else that works. In a traditional classroom setting, you don't really get that luxury—everything is mandatory. You’re basically told you *have* to be creative, whether you feel like it or not! 🤔)

From what I can gather from this discussion, the main takeaway is that fostering creativity in school is absolutely vital. We really need to give kids plenty of opportunities to express themselves creatively because those are the exact skills they’ll need to navigate life later on. Plus, let's be honest—kids just love it. Of course, they naturally love to play, and learning through play definitely leads to better results, but I don't think that's quite the core issue we're tackling here.

My wife was asking me about how they handle book reports over at the local high school, and she actually described two different approaches that I found pretty interesting.
She also went into detail about how much her little one struggles with staying motivated, especially when it comes to reading and actually wrapping their head around what they’ve just read.

The main issue here is that the assignment is one-size-fits-all. It’s being handed out to the entire class exactly the same way, without any adjustments for different learning styles or individual student needs.
And there's another one, much larger than the first. It’s funny—why isn't this handled in the classroom? Instead, it’s assigned as homework, which basically means there's always that risk of a parent stepping in and just doing the whole thing for them. I remember back in middle school, my mom used to help me with my science projects quite a bit, and looking back, I realize how much of the actual work was probably her doing rather than mine!

Looking back at my kid—who was already devouring books before they even hit five—I think I’d probably need to pick up a copy of the book if we didn't have it on our shelf or if the local library branch was out of stock. She’d likely breeze through the required reading in a day or two and then dive headfirst into all that creative stuff: making the pizza, drawing the illustrations, you name it. She’d be totally in the zone. Honestly, I’d probably just stay out of her way entirely, because let’s face it, I’d likely just end up being a distraction!

If you look at this from the perspective of a kid who just isn't into art—maybe someone who doesn't feel particularly talented at drawing or expressing themselves visually—this assignment feels like a total drag. Even if that kid is an amazing reader and genuinely loves getting lost in a good book, being forced to turn that passion into a creative project can feel like nothing but extra frustration. Honestly, looking back, that was exactly how I felt when I was in school. 😬)

From the perspective of a kid who struggles with reading—whether it’s due to dyslexia or just finding it hard to focus—simply getting them motivated enough to pick up a book is already a massive uphill battle. If they know there’s a "creative assignment" waiting for them afterward to prove how much they actually understood, I think that can feel like even more pressure. In the best-case scenario, the process usually goes one of two ways:
-They won't do a thing (unless a parent steps in to satisfy the teacher's assignment)... usually involving tears, lectures, and threats. Even more importantly, they just won't practice reading.
-They’ll tackle the creative part—since they’re good at art—but when it comes to the book and comprehension, they'll just have someone summarize the plot for them (doesn't necessarily have to be a parent) or they'll just watch the movie if there is one. Again, zero actual reading practice. They won't bother practicing writing either (like what we used to do)

In my opinion, assigned reading has lost its fundamental purpose in all these scenarios (though maybe that's just me), and it would be really interesting to actually study whether this way of handling literature increases an interest in reading or actually kills it...
(If nothing else, mathematically speaking, it reduces the amount of time that can be spent actually reading. But hey, if teachers are truly worried about kids spending too much time on TikTok and they hand out assignments like this, then fine—if people want them to just doodle and draw, go ahead, who's stopping them?)

Reading, especially reading comprehension, is the bedrock of education. It's the foundation for everything that follows (especially textbooks)
I think that amidst all these creative imperatives, the core mission has been lost 🤷
If we're talking about the current trends, which is where this discussion started.
But even looking further ahead, I feel bad that in the rush to "lighten the workload," we're actually burdening kids by making them avoid books and reading altogether.

Or perhaps the focus shifted to preschool age, because you see advertisements everywhere screaming about teaching kids to read from their earliest days... Well, if the goal is for them to learn how to read, to actually read, and to actually *love* reading, then that responsibility falls on the parents 🤔

You’ve covered a lot of ground here. I agree with a lot of what you said, but several points really bother me, though I don't want to get bogged down in a massive debate right now.

A parent who does the reading assignment for their child will eventually just dictate the summary or the character descriptions to them, or just glue some pictures together and call it a day. There's honestly nothing you can do for the people who do their kids' homework for them; they are effectively sabotaging their own child's progress.
Sarah Hall53 Sarah Hall53 Regular
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#1053 ·
... honestly, trying to squeeze all of that into the school year just isn't happening. There aren't enough hours in the curriculum to make it work. I mean, maybe if we bumped up the required hours for American Language classes, we could find some breathing room to tackle it all at school—but with the way the schedule is set up right now? There’s just no time.
Susan James Susan James Veteran
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#1054 ·
Sarah Hall53 said:... honestly, trying to squeeze all of that into the school year just isn't happening. There aren't enough hours in the curriculum to make it work. I mean, maybe if we bumped up the required hours for American Language classes, we could find some breathing room to tackle it all at school—but with the way the schedule is set up right now? There’s just no time.

That's total nonsense.
In elementary school, there is plenty of time to work on those "creative" book reports.
If you're talking about after-school programs, then there's even more time.
It's always easiest to claim there's no time and just pass the buck to the parents.
Then everyone acts surprised when kids don't enjoy reading or haven't mastered the material.

If you want kids to have a positive attitude toward learning—or in this case, toward reading books—that attitude has to come from the teacher. By acting this way and shifting the responsibility onto parents, you risk having someone who isn't even qualified telling kids that certain assignments are stupid, pointless, or just too much work...
I get it for middle school or high school, but for the younger grades where these habits are first being formed, it's honestly silly to blame anyone else.

And please, don't tell me they have time to run bake sales, apple festivals, little environmentalist clubs, or household projects, but they can't process a book report in class. 😕
Even the reading itself can be done at school (back in my day, that's how it was in first grade!), but it's fine to read at home and then handle all the creative follow-up activities in class—which is definitely doable!

P.S. If we're talking about a child who struggles with reading, and their time is already spent practicing basic literacy, then it's even more ridiculous to assign both the reading *plus* a creative project. That kid won't get anything out of the assignment anyway.
Sarah Hall53 Sarah Hall53 Regular
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#1055 ·
Using things like pears, apples, kale, or even bakery items—it’s all just a way to squeeze them into other subjects, right? Like, you’re drawing apples in art class or adding up loaves of bread in math. Honestly, I can't stand it—I mean, I truly hate it—because it just eats away at my actual lesson time.
Then you have the environmental clubs or home ec stuff, which are technically extracurricular. You can't exactly work through a required reading assignment during an after-school club. You could try doing it during English class, but we’re already short on hours for actually practicing our core curriculum as it is.
Plus, not every school even offers an after-school program, and not every kid stays for it anyway, so using that as a time or place to get through the reading list just doesn't work in practice.
urbantinker8 urbantinker8 Regular
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#1056 ·
Susan James went ahead and threw everything at the wall to see what sticks, I suppose, because it’s all very easy to preach about personalized learning when you aren't actually managing a room full of kids. In a class of 25 students, it’s just not really feasible to tackle every single reading assignment in 25 unique ways just so every child can reach their absolute maximum potential and feel perfectly satisfied with the process and the outcome.🙄

Susan James said:This is such a lovely post! 😍

By the way, back in high school, I had this absolutely brilliant female teacher at HP. We didn't have to write essays in these massive notebooks or bring anything in to hand over for grading. Instead, we'd just have these deep discussions about the book in class (not necessarily "creative" writing, but you couldn't just fake it by reading a summary). She wouldn't waste our time with trivial stuff like what color someone's dress was, but she would push us to connect the themes to art movements, music, or literature... and she loved making connections to other books and even current events. 😍
(That was way back in the last century. Back before schools were all about "preparing you for life." It really all comes down to the professor.)

I wasn't a huge fan of reading only the required books either. Sometimes, after finishing an assignment, I'd jump straight into something else just to wash away that mindless feeling. 🤣

I think you might be contradicting yourself a little here. Just because you found that approach brilliant doesn't mean it worked for everyone, and I'm fairly certain some of your fellow teachers probably hated all that interdisciplinary stuff. They likely thought the work itself was terrible, or the historical movements were irrelevant, or the musical connections were just noise, and that current events didn't matter at all. Those types of people probably would have given anything if that "brilliant" teacher had just let them film a quick video clip referencing *The Great Gatsby* or put together a simple poster of Dante’s Inferno instead.
Susan James Susan James Veteran
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#1057 ·
urbantinker8 said:Susan James went ahead and threw everything at the wall to see what sticks, I suppose, because it’s all very easy to preach about personalized learning when you aren't actually managing a room full of kids. In a class of 25 students, it’s just not really feasible to tackle every single reading assignment in 25 unique ways just so every child can reach their absolute maximum potential and feel perfectly satisfied with the process and the outcome.🙄

I think you might be contradicting yourself a little here. Just because you found that approach brilliant doesn't mean it worked for everyone, and I'm fairly certain some of your fellow teachers probably hated all that interdisciplinary stuff. They likely thought the work itself was terrible, or the historical movements were irrelevant, or the musical connections were just noise, and that current events didn't matter at all. Those types of people probably would have given anything if that "brilliant" teacher had just let them film a quick video clip referencing *The Great Gatsby* or put together a simple poster of Dante’s Inferno instead.

Where exactly did I say we need to teach every single book in 25 different ways in a classroom?
I think you might be getting ahead of yourself here. 🤣
My question was really about the point of doing all this "creative" book analysis when a parent basically has to retell the whole story to their kid because the child can't grasp what they just read.
It feels like a way to mask the fact that an elementary student hasn't mastered reading comprehension—the teacher gets to write down a gold star for being "creative" because the kid brought in a little handmade picture book instead of actually understanding the plot.🤔

And I also asked—though it seems to be getting ignored—do kids actually enjoy reading more if they know they'll get to do drama, drawing, or music instead of just writing essays about summaries, characters, setting, and time?

urbantinker8 said:Susan James went ahead and threw everything at the wall to see what sticks, I suppose, because it’s all very easy to preach about personalized learning when you aren't actually managing a room full of kids. In a class of 25 students, it’s just not really feasible to tackle every single reading assignment in 25 unique ways just so every child can reach their absolute maximum potential and feel perfectly satisfied with the process and the outcome.🙄

I think you might be contradicting yourself a little here. Just because you found that approach brilliant doesn't mean it worked for everyone, and I'm fairly certain some of your fellow teachers probably hated all that interdisciplinary stuff. They likely thought the work itself was terrible, or the historical movements were irrelevant, or the musical connections were just noise, and that current events didn't matter at all. Those types of people probably would have given anything if that "brilliant" teacher had just let them film a quick video clip referencing *The Great Gatsby* or put together a simple poster of Dante’s Inferno instead.

I didn't undermine myself; I think you're just jumping to conclusions.
Of course, it worked great for me.
(I've experienced both sides of the coin.)

Back then, before the literature period, you were basically expected just to have read the book.
That was it.
There weren't these massive workbooks (which used to be passed around the school, copied, and graded) and there wasn't all this forced creativity.

I don't know if people hated the simplicity of just showing up having read the book more than the "read and write" method, but 😕
for me, it saved at least three hours of my life.
There were times we missed class because we hadn't finished the reading (usually because we were busy living our lives outside of school and the book was just unreadable). I personally felt embarrassed if I got caught not having read it—not because I was chasing grades, but because I really respected my teacher. For others, it was more about the stress of the grade. Even though it wasn't a total overhaul of the system, it wasn't about nitpicking details; it was just about discussion, making connections, and drawing conclusions. Literature teachers check for understanding regardless of whether they use a book or not.🤷Honestly, that extra hour could have been a great way to reinforce what we learned and review everything using solid notes. Back then, most of our learning happened right there in the classroom, without all this independent research at home we do now.
As someone who absolutely hated history—and let’s be real, I wasn't exactly fond of my teacher either—that period might have actually helped me retain some of the stuff we covered in class since I was paying attention during the lectures. In fact, there were times I ended up hearing the same material for a third time just by listening! I didn't even need to crack open my notebook at home; I already knew the topics well enough to ace a quiz. You really couldn't ask for more than that.

The whole idea of interdisciplinary learning is basically the foundation of preparing kids for the real world, and it’s being pushed through all these modern educational reforms. So, I figure those people who found this style of teaching too much of a hassle back in the day probably wouldn't survive in today's classrooms or even in politics.🤷

Oh well,
you can't please everyone.
rowdypanther12 rowdypanther12 Regular
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#1058 ·
What do you think a teacher can actually do with kids in second or third grade who still haven't mastered reading comprehension?
urbantinker8 urbantinker8 Regular
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#1059 ·
Susan James, I don't think anyone is actually answering your question because, honestly, there isn't some single, universal answer to be found.
I mean, nobody has gone out and interviewed every single student in Rhode Island to reach any kind of statistically significant conclusion, and besides, there are just way too many variables at play to draw one definitive line through it all.
It might be that some kids really lean into the creative side and can't stand traditional reading, so they actually find this specific way of tackling literature somewhat appealing.
Then you have other kids who absolutely live for reading but can't stand drawing or putting together these big projects, so they end up just being completely over the whole assignment.
Some people don't care for reading and they certainly don't want to be sketching anything, so they just happen to "come down with something" on the day of the assignment to avoid participating in what feels like a total circus.
There’s also the kid who loves drawing and enjoys reading, for whom these types of classes are basically the absolute highlight of their week.
And then there are those who just couldn't care less and are simply counting the seconds until the bell rings.
You've got students who adore the teacher and read the books just to impress her or prove themselves, rather than having any genuine passion for the literature itself.
Or maybe someone truly loves books but can't stand the teacher to save their life, so they just "go on strike" when it comes to the assigned reading.
It seems a bit strange to me that, given your background in psychology, you aren't seeing these nuances and are still pressing for an answer to a question that doesn't have one.
There just isn't a solution that satisfies everyone: a world where the book is read, the project is finished with actual effort and without parents stepping in, no one finds the reading or the writing tedious, and no one ends up hating the book, the teacher, or the subject for the rest of their lives.
Ethan Mitchell4 Ethan Mitchell4 Active Member
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#1060 ·
Terry Martinez10 said:Why does it seem like kids only ever touch the books assigned by their teachers? Growing up, my parents used to hand me all sorts of novels and stories, and honestly, they completely sucked me in—I was that kid who would be hiding a paperback under the desk during class just to keep going, or staying up way past my bedtime because the plot was just too intense to put down. Sure, I didn't enjoy every single school assignment, but I always finished them and got the work done. The real trick is fostering that genuine hunger for reading; some books are absolute masterpieces and others are just okay, but you really don't know until you've lived through the pages and actually sat with the ideas afterward.
Because I'm such a bookworm, my kids are constantly asking what I'm reading, so I usually end up spinning a condensed version of the story into a little tale just for them so we have something to talk about; plus, we read books specifically geared toward their age where we’ll draw out the characters or map out the plot together. Most nights, we settle in for a reading session before bed.
I tend to get excited about every new book I pick up and I make sure to tell them all about it, which eventually sparks that same curiosity in them. Most kids don't care for reading simply because they haven't discovered the massive, hidden universe tucked inside a cover yet; maybe they read too slowly to catch the momentum of the plot, or maybe their reading nook isn't cozy enough, or perhaps it’s just that reading isn't viewed as something fun at home, but rather seen as just another chore... like homework, or some tedious task that's just stealing their time.


In my entire life, nobody ever bought a single book for me; I've bought about 300 of them myself. I’ve loved reading since I was a kid, practically inseparable from a book. I have a sister who's a year older than me, and she wouldn't even touch a newspaper. Out of my cousin's two daughters, there's a two-year age gap; one stays far away from books, while the other is actually studying to be a librarian (that's the term, right?).
It's not an issue of parenting; it's a matter of temperament.

Someone mentioned something earlier regarding after-school programs. In those programs, they don't really focus on reading or working through school assignments. In fact, it's actually recommended that we handle things like English homework at home with our kids instead of leaving it to the staff at the center.

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