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Scott Booth Scott Booth Member
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#1061 ·
Ethan Mitchell4 said:In my entire life, nobody ever bought a single book for me; I've bought about 300 of them myself. I’ve loved reading since I was a kid, practically inseparable from a book. I have a sister who's a year older than me, and she wouldn't even touch a newspaper. Out of my cousin's two daughters, there's a two-year age gap; one stays far away from books, while the other is actually studying to be a librarian (that's the term, right?).
It's not an issue of parenting; it's a matter of temperament.

Someone mentioned something earlier regarding after-school programs. In those programs, they don't really focus on reading or working through school assignments. In fact, it's actually recommended that we handle things like English homework at home with our kids instead of leaving it to the staff at the center.

But doesn't character actually stem from one's upbringing? So, logically, it does have everything to do with how they were raised.
feralmoose32 feralmoose32 Regular
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#1062 ·
Scott Booth said:But doesn't character actually stem from one's upbringing? So, logically, it does have everything to do with how they were raised.

Does character actually come from how we're raised—you know, that whole "nurture" debate we all grew up hearing about in school—or is there something deeper... something baked in from the start? I’ve been sitting here thinking about it—maybe while staring at my coffee—and it really makes you wonder where that core essence comes from... whether it's the lessons our parents drilled into us during those long Sunday dinners or if we're just born with a certain set of blueprints already laid out... it’s such a fascinating, swirling question... 🍿

I honestly don't know how many years—and how much sheer effort—I’ve poured into trying to cultivate a genuine love for reading in my child... I mean, I really went all out, didn't I? We bought every single book that caught their eye, from those glossy picture books to the big hardcover adventures—anything and everything that seemed even remotely interesting... but it feels like such a lost cause at this point. It's just... well, they read what they absolutely have to for school, and then they're done. Just completely finished...
feralmoose32 feralmoose32 Regular
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#1063 ·
My little one is in fourth grade now, and up until this point, the assignments were always pretty surface-level—just some general notes about the author and the book, listing the main characters, and maybe drawing a quick sketch or two
On top of that, they used to do these little flashcard drills at school and oral quizzes... just very straightforward stuff

But this year, things have shifted a bit—she’s been designing more interactive tasks that need to be completed while they're actually reading through the book, which I honestly think is a much better approach

As for the reading itself, my biggest hurdle is really just the constant coaxing to get him to sit down and focus... I've even tried mapping out a schedule, calculating roughly how many days he'll need to finish, and then adding a little extra buffer time just to be safe
If we're tackling something a bit more dense—like The Complexity of Being right now (which is quite a mouthful given all those old-fashioned expressions and terms that fly right over their heads)—I find it helpful to have him retell the story to me in his own words
Larry Walker24 Larry Walker24 Veteran
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#1064 ·
feralmoose32 said:My little one is in fourth grade now, and up until this point, the assignments were always pretty surface-level—just some general notes about the author and the book, listing the main characters, and maybe drawing a quick sketch or two
On top of that, they used to do these little flashcard drills at school and oral quizzes... just very straightforward stuff

But this year, things have shifted a bit—she’s been designing more interactive tasks that need to be completed while they're actually reading through the book, which I honestly think is a much better approach

As for the reading itself, my biggest hurdle is really just the constant coaxing to get him to sit down and focus... I've even tried mapping out a schedule, calculating roughly how many days he'll need to finish, and then adding a little extra buffer time just to be safe
If we're tackling something a bit more dense—like The Complexity of Being right now (which is quite a mouthful given all those old-fashioned expressions and terms that fly right over their heads)—I find it helpful to have him retell the story to me in his own words

She's getting them ready for middle school.
Scott Booth Scott Booth Member
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#1065 ·
feralmoose32 said:Does character actually come from how we're raised—you know, that whole "nurture" debate we all grew up hearing about in school—or is there something deeper... something baked in from the start? I’ve been sitting here thinking about it—maybe while staring at my coffee—and it really makes you wonder where that core essence comes from... whether it's the lessons our parents drilled into us during those long Sunday dinners or if we're just born with a certain set of blueprints already laid out... it’s such a fascinating, swirling question... 🍿

I honestly don't know how many years—and how much sheer effort—I’ve poured into trying to cultivate a genuine love for reading in my child... I mean, I really went all out, didn't I? We bought every single book that caught their eye, from those glossy picture books to the big hardcover adventures—anything and everything that seemed even remotely interesting... but it feels like such a lost cause at this point. It's just... well, they read what they absolutely have to for school, and then they're done. Just completely finished...

I still don't see how there's any real connection between reading habits and someone's actual character.

But you know, the fact that they tackle the required reading shows a sense of responsibility, which is really a reflection of how they were raised. 😏. Kids find fulfillment through all sorts of other activities; they figure out what they enjoy while still handling their obligations. When the spark for reading eventually hits, it'll hit.

Then again, you have kids like mine who stick strictly to school assignments and fantasy novels. I'm not exactly thrilled about those choices, but at the end of the day, it's their choice to make. Maybe they'll grow out of it one day.
rowdypanther12 rowdypanther12 Regular
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#1066 ·
Fantasy?
It’s easily my favorite genre. I’ve read just about everything—from children's books and pulp fiction to the classics and modern hits—but eventually, I landed on fantasy.
And I’m not looking back.
Everything else feels a bit dull to me, stuck within the same reality and the same laws of physics.
With fantasy, you genuinely never know what's going to happen on the next page.
Zachary Bailey3 Zachary Bailey3 Member
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#1067 ·
Scott Booth said:But doesn't character actually stem from one's upbringing? So, logically, it does have everything to do with how they were raised.

Man, you are seriously off base with that take!🙏🤦
Are you telling me kids in foster care or orphanages, growing up without parents, follow the exact same blueprint and they all turn out identical? Give me a break.🙂?
Terry Martinez10 Terry Martinez10 Active Member
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#1068 ·
Ethan Mitchell4 said:In my entire life, nobody ever bought a single book for me; I've bought about 300 of them myself. I’ve loved reading since I was a kid, practically inseparable from a book. I have a sister who's a year older than me, and she wouldn't even touch a newspaper. Out of my cousin's two daughters, there's a two-year age gap; one stays far away from books, while the other is actually studying to be a librarian (that's the term, right?).
It's not an issue of parenting; it's a matter of temperament.

Someone mentioned something earlier regarding after-school programs. In those programs, they don't really focus on reading or working through school assignments. In fact, it's actually recommended that we handle things like English homework at home with our kids instead of leaving it to the staff at the center.

Honestly, I think it’s a mix of upbringing, personality, and just general lifestyle factors.
The way a kid handles their schoolwork definitely ties back to how they were raised... though I might go as far as saying that's pure parenting right there.
What a child—or any person, really—chooses to read comes down to their specific taste and character.
But reading itself? That’s more than just looking at words on a page; it’s about imagination and so much more than that.
Susan James Susan James Veteran
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#1069 ·
Ethan Mitchell4 said:In my entire life, nobody ever bought a single book for me; I've bought about 300 of them myself. I’ve loved reading since I was a kid, practically inseparable from a book. I have a sister who's a year older than me, and she wouldn't even touch a newspaper. Out of my cousin's two daughters, there's a two-year age gap; one stays far away from books, while the other is actually studying to be a librarian (that's the term, right?).
It's not an issue of parenting; it's a matter of temperament.

Someone mentioned something earlier regarding after-school programs. In those programs, they don't really focus on reading or working through school assignments. In fact, it's actually recommended that we handle things like English homework at home with our kids instead of leaving it to the staff at the center.

So what exactly are they doing in the after-school program then? 😕

They can definitely read their assigned books during the program, why not? 🤷
Once a child finishes their homework, they can just grab a book and read. 🤷

We should try to get as much done at school as possible.
That way, when they get home, they can just play... or go out for soccer. Or just read whatever they actually enjoy.

If I were teaching the younger grades, I'd spend way more time focusing on reading, reading comprehension, retelling stories, and writing essays based on the books, rather than making picture books, drawing characters, or filming little movies about books they might not have even finished reading... 🤷
frozenrider15 frozenrider15 Active Member
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#1070 ·
Susan James said:So what exactly are they doing in the after-school program then? 😕

They can definitely read their assigned books during the program, why not? 🤷
Once a child finishes their homework, they can just grab a book and read. 🤷

We should try to get as much done at school as possible.
That way, when they get home, they can just play... or go out for soccer. Or just read whatever they actually enjoy.

If I were teaching the younger grades, I'd spend way more time focusing on reading, reading comprehension, retelling stories, and writing essays based on the books, rather than making picture books, drawing characters, or filming little movies about books they might not have even finished reading... 🤷

Believe it or not, these flashy projects aren't even popular with the kids or the parents; most people just slog through them half-heartedly to get them over with.
I’m all for reading assigned books during after-school hours once the work is done. It’s something I only really saw happen this year—my kid brought a book and actually sat there reading while everyone else was still grinding away. Usually, they end up reading at home, even though I try to encourage them to leave the book in their backpack (so they have it every day) or just leave it at school (where I can tuck it away so they can read it daily).
And let me tell you, most students wait until the absolute last minute to finish the reading right before it's discussed in class—usually the final week of the month. I’ve had kids tell me the day before we cover a book that they STILL have 11 chapters left to go.
Writing an essay, testing comprehension, coming up with an alternative ending... it's a nightmare. It requires actual mental effort, building vocabulary, and memory. Drawing is easy. Making a cover or a little booklet without having to actually present it orally is just half-baked work.
Susan James Susan James Veteran
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#1071 ·
frozenrider15 said:Believe it or not, these flashy projects aren't even popular with the kids or the parents; most people just slog through them half-heartedly to get them over with.
I’m all for reading assigned books during after-school hours once the work is done. It’s something I only really saw happen this year—my kid brought a book and actually sat there reading while everyone else was still grinding away. Usually, they end up reading at home, even though I try to encourage them to leave the book in their backpack (so they have it every day) or just leave it at school (where I can tuck it away so they can read it daily).
And let me tell you, most students wait until the absolute last minute to finish the reading right before it's discussed in class—usually the final week of the month. I’ve had kids tell me the day before we cover a book that they STILL have 11 chapters left to go.
Writing an essay, testing comprehension, coming up with an alternative ending... it's a nightmare. It requires actual mental effort, building vocabulary, and memory. Drawing is easy. Making a cover or a little booklet without having to actually present it orally is just half-baked work.

But what if it's just not popular?
It honestly makes me a bit sad when people give up and just take the path of least resistance with kids, especially since teachers know exactly why these lessons matter.
Learning how to write an essay is crucial for so many other things in life.

I don't see anything wrong with binge-reading a whole book at once (I was actually like that my entire life—in fact, I find reading chapter by chapter way more tedious!), the bigger issue is how the material is actually taught (or if it's even taught at all).
frozenrider15 frozenrider15 Active Member
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#1072 ·
Susan James said:But what if it's just not popular?
It honestly makes me a bit sad when people give up and just take the path of least resistance with kids, especially since teachers know exactly why these lessons matter.
Learning how to write an essay is crucial for so many other things in life.

I don't see anything wrong with binge-reading a whole book at once (I was actually like that my entire life—in fact, I find reading chapter by chapter way more tedious!), the bigger issue is how the material is actually taught (or if it's even taught at all).

The issue with binge-reading is that it isn't designed for a lower elementary student who is still struggling to decode basic words. There is a massive difference between breezing through a picture book and a short novel in a single afternoon.

Maybe I overshot the mark with my use of the word "popular." The road to producing a high-quality essay is long and winding; it starts with reading, building a vocabulary, and developing actual comprehension. Let's be real here: students are reading less than ever, their vocabularies are shrinking, and their spoken language is sparse and riddled with grammatical errors. All of this requires practice. Yet, the moment you mention reading, summarizing, or reciting poetry, parents and students act like you're asking them to climb Everest, and the quality of the effort is usually abysmal. A teacher can't sit down one-on-one with every single child to drill a poem into their head. They can encourage reading, sure, but it ultimately depends on how much the kid actually puts in. They can practice summarizing, too, but that’s going to be an uphill battle if their vocabulary is nonexistent. Bottom line: a child has to put in the sweat equity to build the foundation for all of this. Yes, they need to study at home. But that’s "unpopular" these days, isn't it?
Jonathan Fowler14 Jonathan Fowler14 Member
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#1073 ·
Growing up, I was definitely one of those bookworms who lived in libraries from elementary school onward...

Back then, I’d head to the library every single week just to rack up some "points" by turning in well-written excerpts 🤣🙏

My opinion on the reading is a bit split. We really need to find a middle ground. Mixing the classics with contemporary hits would create a better balance, adding a modern touch that actually resonates with today's kids. For instance, I struggled so much with Dubravka; even as a straight-A student who felt pressured to know everything, I found it hard to digest and pull out "smart" passages, let alone an average kid who couldn't care less. We were lucky we only had to read a few pages to compare them..
If they offered a choice—maybe picking a few classics alongside some modern titles—it might help. I think the biggest issue is the selection itself. People need to read, but if you give them a sense of agency... maybe they won't view reading as such a chore.

Ideally, reading should be both fun and educational for young people. One of my favorite books, which also happened to be my first big assignment in elementary school, was *Good Day*. I still remember it vividly because the story was lighthearted and had such a lovely ending. And mind you, it wasn't some dusty relic from the 1600s 🤣

It’s nothing groundbreaking to say that the more we read, the faster we process information, the more we think, and the more creative we become. But we need to actually encourage kids and draw them into that world; not everyone is naturally wired for it. For me, Harry Potter was the gateway. Honestly, I probably never would have finished the first chapter (I was only 8, so I was pretty confused why this old man was lighting lamps with a lighter—like, where are the wizards, witches, and heroes?? 🤣) I likely wouldn't have survived all those heavy, boring books I had to plow through just to get a decent grade.

And yet, a book that popular... isn't even on the required reading list. There are so many modern books out there that are both insightful and genuinely entertaining.. 😁

Just imagine having to pull specific excerpts, write character analyses, and summarize characters you don't even like, only to get a C because your conclusion was deemed "stupid" (which is just teacher-speak for "doesn't match my view") or because your handwriting wasn't perfect 🙄 🙄
Besides, American literature isn't necessarily the absolute peak of global literature... no offense intended.
Ethan Mitchell4 Ethan Mitchell4 Active Member
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#1074 ·
Susan James said:So what exactly are they doing in the after-school program then? 😕

They can definitely read their assigned books during the program, why not? 🤷
Once a child finishes their homework, they can just grab a book and read. 🤷

We should try to get as much done at school as possible.
That way, when they get home, they can just play... or go out for soccer. Or just read whatever they actually enjoy.

If I were teaching the younger grades, I'd spend way more time focusing on reading, reading comprehension, retelling stories, and writing essays based on the books, rather than making picture books, drawing characters, or filming little movies about books they might not have even finished reading... 🤷

There are 60 kids crammed into one tiny classroom. It's a mix of first, second, and third graders. They can barely focus enough to finish a single assignment, and we were explicitly told that no school reading is allowed during after-school hours.
mellowskipper mellowskipper Regular
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#1075 ·
Ethan Mitchell4 said:There are 60 kids crammed into one tiny classroom. It's a mix of first, second, and third graders. They can barely focus enough to finish a single assignment, and we were explicitly told that no school reading is allowed during after-school hours.

Wait, what? I mean, is that even legal under school board regulations?
urbantinker8 urbantinker8 Regular
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#1076 ·
rowdypanther12 said:Fantasy?
It’s easily my favorite genre. I’ve read just about everything—from children's books and pulp fiction to the classics and modern hits—but eventually, I landed on fantasy.
And I’m not looking back.
Everything else feels a bit dull to me, stuck within the same reality and the same laws of physics.
With fantasy, you genuinely never know what's going to happen on the next page.

Well, that’s just your take on things.
If you want my opinion, I find fantasy to be one of the most frustrating genres out there, mostly because I struggle to actually care about imaginary worlds or surreal creatures; to me, it all feels a bit silly, like a massive waste of time.🙄
I suppose the whole point is that we should have a wide variety of genres available so that we can compare them and come to our own conclusions—you forming yours and me forming mine—regarding what we actually enjoy and what we don't.
We shouldn't just force a reading list filled with nothing but heavy dramas and gritty realism, but then again, we shouldn't limit ourselves strictly to Harry Potter, Lord of the Rings, or Fantastic Beasts either.
It’s about diversity, I think. And maybe fewer titles overall, provided they are high quality.
By quality, I mean works that hold up based on their artistic or historical merit, their popularity, or simply how much a certain theme resonates with kids.
Susan James Susan James Veteran
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#1077 ·
frozenrider15 said:The issue with binge-reading is that it isn't designed for a lower elementary student who is still struggling to decode basic words. There is a massive difference between breezing through a picture book and a short novel in a single afternoon.

Maybe I overshot the mark with my use of the word "popular." The road to producing a high-quality essay is long and winding; it starts with reading, building a vocabulary, and developing actual comprehension. Let's be real here: students are reading less than ever, their vocabularies are shrinking, and their spoken language is sparse and riddled with grammatical errors. All of this requires practice. Yet, the moment you mention reading, summarizing, or reciting poetry, parents and students act like you're asking them to climb Everest, and the quality of the effort is usually abysmal. A teacher can't sit down one-on-one with every single child to drill a poem into their head. They can encourage reading, sure, but it ultimately depends on how much the kid actually puts in. They can practice summarizing, too, but that’s going to be an uphill battle if their vocabulary is nonexistent. Bottom line: a child has to put in the sweat equity to build the foundation for all of this. Yes, they need to study at home. But that’s "unpopular" these days, isn't it?

That bolded part right there is exactly what should be told to parents on the very first day of school.

If kids don't want to study at home, then they need to do it at school, right?
Is the priority during after-school care supposed to be drawing apples or celebrating Thanksgiving, or should it be practicing reading?

Kids come home exhausted. They just don't have the willpower or the energy left.
They’re stuck in after-school programs until 4:00 or 4:30 PM.
Usually, they have sports practices in the evening, too.
They deserve time to just play.
And they deserve quality time with their parents.

Kids need to read; they need to practice summarizing. That should be the priority.
If we spend all our time arguing with parents about "Oh no, not another creative project!"—especially if those projects require buying specific supplies at Target or Michaels—then, of course, people are going to resent school. And then, you still have to work on reading with the child at home because you know they’re struggling and won't get it done during school hours.

It honestly frustrates me because I feel like a lot of what's truly important has been lost in translation.
You can actually accomplish a lot in a group setting. You can use that collective energy. They can practice reading aloud, they can read during after-school hours, and they can practice summarizing by listening to one another.
Kids can, and should, learn from each other.
Seeing a peer who has already finished halfway through a book can be a huge motivator.

In first grade, picture books can definitely be read at school. And most, if not all, of the required reading lists for second grade (even during religious studies or similar periods) provide opportunities for reading.
By third grade, many schools don't even have after-school programs anymore. Kids have different abilities and ways of handling homework, but even where programs exist, there are always some kids who can easily finish their reading while others are still working through their core assignments because they work a bit slower.
(My impression is that it's easier to assign a task everyone can do together to maintain discipline, or to do something "creative" like making a poster for the hallway since everyone can draw; then, the rest of the work just gets pushed onto the parents at home.)
Jose Wells3 Jose Wells3 Active Member
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#1078 ·
Just a quick reminder: most kids don't live in Washington, D.C., where they actually have access to free public libraries like the ones run by KPMG. For many of us, hunting down the latest required reading is a constant struggle because school libraries are equipped with the same mindset as our education system—slow, outdated, or just nonexistent altogether.

To get my hands on a specific book once, I actually had to drive to another city, sign up for a membership, and personally negotiate with the library director to secure 20 copies of the exact same title (huge thanks to her for making that happen). For some kids, I end up hitting up various local branches and collecting every single library card I can get my hands on (we currently have four in our house alone).

Take my five friends, for example. I'll bring a book from home and then rotate through them, giving each kid a different sequel over time. Why? Because if you don't, the story starts to fade. But once they finally dive in? They absolutely love it and start begging for more.

Sure, there are PDFs available now, and there's more focus on adjustable fonts, but you won't believe this... Most kids just don't want to read on a screen.
Susan James Susan James Veteran
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#1079 ·
Jose Wells3 said:Just a quick reminder: most kids don't live in Washington, D.C., where they actually have access to free public libraries like the ones run by KPMG. For many of us, hunting down the latest required reading is a constant struggle because school libraries are equipped with the same mindset as our education system—slow, outdated, or just nonexistent altogether.

To get my hands on a specific book once, I actually had to drive to another city, sign up for a membership, and personally negotiate with the library director to secure 20 copies of the exact same title (huge thanks to her for making that happen). For some kids, I end up hitting up various local branches and collecting every single library card I can get my hands on (we currently have four in our house alone).

Take my five friends, for example. I'll bring a book from home and then rotate through them, giving each kid a different sequel over time. Why? Because if you don't, the story starts to fade. But once they finally dive in? They absolutely love it and start begging for more.

Sure, there are PDFs available now, and there's more focus on adjustable fonts, but you won't believe this... Most kids just don't want to read on a screen.

😍 🙏

Maybe start a book drive? You could put the word out on social media.

Schools in the Washington, D.C. area do things like that, and honestly, schools in the surrounding suburbs and rural areas should too. It usually happens during "National Book Month," but it could definitely happen year-round.

You’d be surprised how many parents buy books themselves because they have their own reasons for not wanting their kids using library books.
They also love to donate extras, especially required reading or duplicates they received for birthdays.
mellowskipper mellowskipper Regular
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#1080 ·
Jose Wells3 said:Just a quick reminder: most kids don't live in Washington, D.C., where they actually have access to free public libraries like the ones run by KPMG. For many of us, hunting down the latest required reading is a constant struggle because school libraries are equipped with the same mindset as our education system—slow, outdated, or just nonexistent altogether.

To get my hands on a specific book once, I actually had to drive to another city, sign up for a membership, and personally negotiate with the library director to secure 20 copies of the exact same title (huge thanks to her for making that happen). For some kids, I end up hitting up various local branches and collecting every single library card I can get my hands on (we currently have four in our house alone).

Take my five friends, for example. I'll bring a book from home and then rotate through them, giving each kid a different sequel over time. Why? Because if you don't, the story starts to fade. But once they finally dive in? They absolutely love it and start begging for more.

Sure, there are PDFs available now, and there's more focus on adjustable fonts, but you won't believe this... Most kids just don't want to read on a screen.

I believe you regarding the PDF books. My teacher often provides links to e-books, but mine always prefers borrowing physical copies from the school library or the public library.

Susan James said:😍 🙏

Maybe start a book drive? You could put the word out on social media.

Schools in the Washington, D.C. area do things like that, and honestly, schools in the surrounding suburbs and rural areas should too. It usually happens during "National Book Month," but it could definitely happen year-round.

You’d be surprised how many parents buy books themselves because they have their own reasons for not wanting their kids using library books.
They also love to donate extras, especially required reading or duplicates they received for birthdays.

Why wouldn't they want their kids reading books from the library?

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