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Paul Thompson3 Paul Thompson3 Active MemberOP
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#41 ·
His grandmother gave me a little nudge (haha)—as did those two old guys he used to hang out with, one of them was Gen. Patton.
It’s not that the movie didn't wreck me—it actually left me feeling pretty heavy. That scene where the runner pulls back that girl in the hoodie, just totally alone? It stuck with me. But honestly, my heart went out most to that middle-aged guy in the shorts—the way he just handled everything in one go without a second thought, hitting the ground like it was nothing... Just sad.
Lisa Hernandez3 Lisa Hernandez3 Active Member
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#42 ·
Paul Thompson3 said:I was going to post this in Philosophy, but since everyone in the psych group seems to share the common denominator of being "totally screwed," I figured I'd drop it here instead.
Life is a struggle—blah, blah, blah... But what happens when that struggle doesn't actually have a goal worth fighting for? When you’ve just been spinning your wheels for ages, staring at a wall, knowing full well nothing is ever going to change? You get those little bursts of ego, thinking you've made it, only to crash back down again—just an endless cycle of highs and lows against a backdrop of absolute, impenetrable nothingness. There's no safe harbor, no handhold, nothing actually worth living for.
Is this the headspace most people find themselves in right before they decide to end it all?

It probably is. Maybe that moment is actually the time when one should try to pinpoint exactly what the issue is, though I suppose that’s much easier said than done. It feels paradoxical because most people intuitively know what their problem is, but because of those deeper, more uncertain areas—those missing harbors and handholds—they just lose all sense of perspective. I don't really know the specific context behind your feeling of hopelessness.

Here is one possible way to look at it—there is value in fighting against the loss of meaning, and there is value in creating meaning, and I think those two things are fundamentally linked. For instance, if someone says something about Dostoevsky that gets under your skin because you know it isn't quite right or isn't the whole truth—or perhaps it isn't meaning itself—and you decide to act on that realization, then maybe you have truly created something.
Gerald Fowler5 Gerald Fowler5 Newcomer
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#43 ·
I hate that feeling. I really do. I hate that heavy sensation where it feels impossible to break out of that blue bubble and realize that things aren't actually quite so bleak. I can't stand the idea that life is nothing more than a constant struggle; life shouldn't just be about fighting. Being self-aware and mindful of the people around you can be a lot to swallow, but it shouldn't act as a barrier to joy, to fun, to the sunshine, or to warmth 😢

Nothing is truly that gray. People just exhaust themselves over nonsense. They don't take enough action, they don't spend enough time thinking about what actually brings them happiness, they don't play enough, and they rarely bother to explore their own souls because they think they already have themselves figured out—that they’re just "built this way," or that they don't fit in, or that there's nobody out there for them, or that they don't know what they want, or that they'll never be happy, blah blah blah. I don't believe someone who truly knows what they want and what they need can be—well, miserably unhappy. I get that people fall into holes that are hard to climb out of, but nothing is ever quite that black. Being happy is difficult, sure, but it isn't impossible. Life is about chasing that happiness, building memories, constructing relationships that last, meeting people, growing closer to some and drifting away from others—it's just about building a warm environment and solid foundations for the future. And if you don't know what you want? Well, put in the work to find out, then go after it, and that's that. If you want to call it a struggle, fine—me? I just call it life
Of course you have to put in effort and energy. Of course everything won't always be perfect. It's completely normal to feel low sometimes, but that's really all there is to it 😁

How things end up depends entirely on us. Hiding away in depression, belittling other people and our connections, neglecting the things that make us feel alive, or dismissing our own strength and willpower... those are just excuses. Try to make things better. Stop the complaining, get moving, and things will turn out great 😁 If you feel like your life lacks meaning, that's on you. Go find it.
If you feel like something is wrong with you—if it hurts, if it bothers you, if it scrapes at your soul—then you need to change something.
That's just how I am, and I'm doing alright. Sometimes you slide back into old habits; I suppose everyone needs those blue minutes (hours, days) every now and then... But you shouldn't live your whole life accepting it that way.

If it's a fight, then we're fighting ourselves, because there isn't much we can do against everything else. Suicide is just a wonderful idea—solve all your problems by multiplying them by 100,000 and dumping them right onto the shoulders of your loved ones...

( I'm speaking in the third person just for the sake of it, I'm not addressing anyone specifically, though I guess I'm even nagging myself a little bit 🙂 )
Andrew Doyle Andrew Doyle Regular
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#44 ·
Paul Thompson3 said:I was going to post this in Philosophy, but since everyone in the psych group seems to share the common denominator of being "totally screwed," I figured I'd drop it here instead.
Life is a struggle—blah, blah, blah... But what happens when that struggle doesn't actually have a goal worth fighting for? When you’ve just been spinning your wheels for ages, staring at a wall, knowing full well nothing is ever going to change? You get those little bursts of ego, thinking you've made it, only to crash back down again—just an endless cycle of highs and lows against a backdrop of absolute, impenetrable nothingness. There's no safe harbor, no handhold, nothing actually worth living for.
Is this the headspace most people find themselves in right before they decide to end it all?

Generally, yes.

If you look at the unity of life itself, realizing that suicide isn't some definitive "end" can offer a different perspective. These ebbs and flows are just part of a natural rhythm, and our lives aren't some special exception to that rule.

It might be worth taking a hard look at what exactly we are running from, what is truly draining us, and why...
Ronald Cook24 Ronald Cook24 Newcomer
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#45 ·
Paul Thompson3 said:Look, I'm not looking for a pity party or an SOS here—I just want to know what everyone else thinks.
I was watching The Bridge the other day and it got my gears turning. Beyond the usual stuff like mental health struggles, debt, or heartbreak, it feels to me like most people end up checking out because they just can't stomach the sheer emptiness and lack of purpose in life—at least, I personally find it unbearable.
You wake up in the morning knowing there isn't anything great waiting for you. Every single day.
It all feels pretty pointless. How do you guys deal with it?

Man, why are you being so pessimistic? If you wake up every day with that mindset, life is always going to feel that way... you aren't hoping for anything, you're just stubbornly living your life and letting every opportunity pass you by. Just go outside and experience things! Grab your dog and go for a walk if you don't feel like hanging out with "friends," just get out there... 😁
Eric Jackson11 Eric Jackson11 Active Member
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#46 ·
Existing in that gray area between living and just existing... that’s what half-life feels like.
What a psycho. I’ve got my friends and everything else; I have my pets and my inner circle.
I know that specific feeling when you wake up every single morning and tell yourself, "Ugh, just one more damn day I have to get through." And it happens every single morning.
By the end of the day, you aren't even happy about it—you're just relieved you survived that one extra day. That’s the only sense of satisfaction you get. Then, the next morning, it starts all over again.
I'm not doing great... please don't reach out to me tomorrow. But I know I'll wake up anyway... and it'll be the same thing. Over and over. Just another day.
So, where is the solution?
Joshua Davis79 Joshua Davis79 Member
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#47 ·
Eric Jackson11 said:Existing in that gray area between living and just existing... that’s what half-life feels like.
What a psycho. I’ve got my friends and everything else; I have my pets and my inner circle.
I know that specific feeling when you wake up every single morning and tell yourself, "Ugh, just one more damn day I have to get through." And it happens every single morning.
By the end of the day, you aren't even happy about it—you're just relieved you survived that one extra day. That’s the only sense of satisfaction you get. Then, the next morning, it starts all over again.
I'm not doing great... please don't reach out to me tomorrow. But I know I'll wake up anyway... and it'll be the same thing. Over and over. Just another day.
So, where is the solution?

There isn't one. Life is a bitch, and then you die. ☕
Eric Jackson11 Eric Jackson11 Active Member
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#48 ·
Joshua Davis79 said:There isn't one. Life is a bitch, and then you die. ☕

Aha... well, maybe the best solution is to just stop sleeping altogether. You know, stay awake for days, maybe even months, until that feeling finally fades away...
I don't see any other way out...
briskskipper3 briskskipper3 Newcomer
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#49 ·
Eric Jackson11 said:Existing in that gray area between living and just existing... that’s what half-life feels like.
What a psycho. I’ve got my friends and everything else; I have my pets and my inner circle.
I know that specific feeling when you wake up every single morning and tell yourself, "Ugh, just one more damn day I have to get through." And it happens every single morning.
By the end of the day, you aren't even happy about it—you're just relieved you survived that one extra day. That’s the only sense of satisfaction you get. Then, the next morning, it starts all over again.
I'm not doing great... please don't reach out to me tomorrow. But I know I'll wake up anyway... and it'll be the same thing. Over and over. Just another day.
So, where is the solution?

That’s the whole damn point. You gotta find a solution, but there isn't some magic one-size-fits-all answer. It varies depending on who you are. For one guy, it's his career; for someone else, it's something totally different—just whatever gives them a sense of purpose. And honestly, the worst part is when you fall into that rut, turn into a total robot, and just hit a wall. I get it, it's a nightmare when you can't see a way out or find anything positive to actually keep you moving.
boldskipper12 boldskipper12 Newcomer
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#50 ·
"I guess most people end up giving up because they just can't stomach the emptiness and the lack of meaning anymore. For me, it’s honestly unbearable.
I wake up in the morning knowing there isn't anything beautiful waiting for me. It's always like that.
It just doesn't make sense. How do you deal with it?"

It's not really my question, but I'd love to weigh in.😁

I think maybe you haven't realized your own worth because you aren't looking at the big picture. Meaning comes from the whole, not just the individual. It's kind of ironic how selfish and self-centered everyone seems to be these days trying to find happiness, when being so focused on yourself is clearly why everyone is so miserable.

Meaning comes from touching other people's lives. When your existence intersects with someone else's and leaves a mark—that's when your life has purpose.
In the same way, you give meaning to someone else just by existing, so you have to be here.
I know full well the world would keep spinning if I hadn't been born, but sometimes I catch a glimpse of people smiling around me, and in those moments, I know I'm exactly where I need to be. No one else could have been in that exact spot at that exact second. Maybe if you added up everyone else's lives, they might get the same amount of smiles without me, but *that* specific smile at *that* specific moment would never happen.

Also, there will always be people who leave negative footprints, people who drag us down. There will always be bad days, but that isn't an excuse to write off your entire life or humanity as difficult and pointless. In times like that, it’s probably best to just call a close friend, talk about total nonsense, and distract yourself from those heavy thoughts. Tomorrow is a new day—a day full of chances to do something that gives it meaning instead of dwelling on the void. Make someone laugh, help an old lady carry her groceries, do something that serves no purpose for yourself.
If you don't know what to do to make your own life better, then just do something that makes someone else's life better. And most importantly—don't expect a reward. Don't expect anything at all. Just do it because you're here and you can. Do it because none of us have perfect lives and a little help always goes a long way. Do it because a smile, a warm hand, or a kind word might help someone else sleep better at night, and if that happens, your existence definitely has meaning.

Maybe this sounds like it was written by some unfixable hippie, but hey—this is what has always pulled me through.
peace, love and unity 😉 😁
fadedstag91 fadedstag91 Newcomer
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#51 ·
Life actually starts getting interesting once you break out of the rut. Most people settle into this rigid daily grind that can stretch on for weeks or even months, punctuated by nothing more than the occasional little detour before they inevitably slide right back into their old habits. I’ve lost count of how many times I’ve personally realized that acting against the grain—doing things differently than what is expected—is exactly what makes you feel alive and shifts your entire perspective. It all comes down to that "comfort zone" everyone loves to talk about. We spend way too much time overthinking and not nearly enough time actually doing. If you force yourself to take action and disrupt your routine more often, eventually, that becomes your new baseline. Staying stuck in a loop is dangerous; that's where loneliness and depression start to creep in. You need to shake things up. Try to do something different at least once a week.
Casey Turner2 Casey Turner2 Newcomer
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#52 ·
First off—it’s pure idiocy to dump your mental struggles onto a bunch of strangers online rather than seeing a trained pro, like a psychiatrist. Mental suffering that isn't tied to some specific, trivial trauma is something most people find nearly impossible to grasp. When someone deals with chronic physical pain that strips away their will to live, everyone gets it—they offer sympathy. But emotional agony can be just as devastating, if not worse, than the pain from metastatic tumors—yet the person suffering is often met with judgment instead. It all stems from this massive delusion—this false idea—that a person can simply "decide" how they feel, what they want, or what brings them joy.

If you wake up every single morning—literally every single day—asking yourself if there’s even one solitary reason to face the daylight, and you come up empty... that isn't just "having a bad week." It's a serious medical condition called depression. We're talking about the core culprits: total lack of drive and anhedonia—that's the clinical inability to feel joy. For the person suffering, the world loses its color and sense; everything turns gray, senseless, and filled with this hollow, gnawing despair. Even the most basic tasks become a source of absolute psychological torture. Desires and pleasures? Gone. They get replaced by pure aversion—things that used to bring happiness now just feel repulsive.

You can't simply "think" your way out of depression—it’s just as futile as trying to wish away rheumatoid arthritis or a gallbladder issue. This isn't about willpower—or lacking it—and it certainly isn't about grit. Emotions are what provide life its color; they define our experiences as positive or negative. When the brain's limbic system fails, it's like someone reached out and flipped the master switch on your very source of life.

There are two primary neural systems in the brain governing motivation and pleasure—distinctly different beasts. First, you have the dopamine system: neurons firing from the VTA to the nucleus accumbens, releasing dopamine to hit those D1 and D2 receptors on spiny GABA cells. Crucially, dopamine isn't about the "reward" itself—it’s the engine—it dictates your baseline motivational tone, your drive, and that raw sense of "wanting." Then there’s the opioid system (endorphins), operating within that same nucleus and the ventral pallidum, which sets your baseline hedonic tone—your day-to-day capacity for actual satisfaction, regardless of what's happening externally. How much joy or drive any external stimulus actually triggers depends entirely on the excitability of the ventral pallidum—essentially the "limbic pleasure generator." Sure, you've got other players like endocannabinoids, orexin, oxytocin, and melanocortin modulating things via GABA neurons, but at the end of the day, it all comes down to the dopamine and opioid systems.

For a human being to feel naturally fulfilled and find actual purpose, these systems have to work—period. Look at the lesions in the ventral pallidum; in every mammal, including us, they cause a total collapse of motivation and pleasure. If that tiny little nucleus fails, the entire massive neocortex—that evolutionary masterpiece—loses its entire reason for being. It becomes nothing more than a "dead computer"—pure hardware without the software to run it.

Life has zero purpose beyond what our emotions provide—the raw drive of desire and pure pleasure. The ultimate mental state is one where motivation feels constant and effortless—where the world isn't just background noise, but a vibrant, high-stakes arena where everything actually matters. A person fueled by that kind of emotional wealth becomes something more—an inspired scientist, a visionary artist, an engineer, or a writer who actually produces.

Our capacity for pleasure is largely hardwired—genetics play a massive role—but external stressors can absolutely wreck the system. Take chronic stress, for example: it triggers CRF and cortisol, which essentially causes atrophy in the cortical and hippocampal dendrites. It’s like watching a high-performance engine corrode from the inside out. This process also tanks dopamine excitability via dynorphin and kappa opioid receptors (KOR). Since these cortical and hippocampal fields provide the vital projections to the VTA, they are absolutely critical for a functioning dopamine system. It's no coincidence, then, that we see a consistent reduction in gray matter within the ventral PFC and hippocampus among patients suffering from depression.

Chronic stress—think toxic office environments, constant bickering at home, deep isolation, low social standing, or crushing debt—is a real killer. It all boils down to individual tolerance levels, though. There’s a massive, undeniable link between high anxiety and depression.

Exercise helps, sure—as do antidepressants or long-term talk therapy—but let's be honest: those are band-aids on a bullet wound. Patients just end up circling back to the same issues indefinitely. Fortunately, depression rarely hits so hard that a person can't feel *anything* good. You get these fleeting bursts of motivation or tiny moments of joy here and there, even if they are weaker and shorter than what a healthy person experiences. For the depressed, it’s a Sisyphus-like struggle—pushing a boulder of mental effort just to catch a momentary glimpse of happiness before it dissolves back into nothingness.

For those stuck in treatment-resistant cycles, the only real light at the end of the tunnel is future gene therapy. We are approaching an era where "smart drugs" will act like precision-guided missiles—tiny biological packages with a specific "delivery address" for exact cell types in specific brain regions. Through biotechnology and eventually nanomedicine, we'll be able to fine-tune brain circuits, dial up or down the excitability of specific neurons, and even trigger neurogenesis to regrow damaged parts of the brain. Unlike today's blunt-force pharmaceuticals, these future treatments will hit only the target, achieving total therapeutic success without the side effects.

Ultimately, advanced genetic engineering will reach a tipping point where we can crank up motivation and pleasure to unprecedented levels. We could effectively sabotage the hedonic treadmill—that mechanism of tolerance that makes things feel less exciting over time—to ensure a person's baseline emotional state is one of permanent euphoria, surpassing even the most intense physical pleasures known today. That is how you truly eradicate depression; instead of moving through gradients of pain and suffering, we will move through gradients of pure bliss.
Paul Thompson3 Paul Thompson3 Active MemberOP
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#53 ·
Alright, I'll give it a shot with some help.
Henry Gomez2 Henry Gomez2 Newcomer
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#54 ·
It really all comes down to how you choose to perceive this reality we're stuck in, and life itself, which is a pretty heavy topic for any discussion on religion or philosophy...
wearyhawk83 wearyhawk83 Active Member
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#55 ·
Casey Turner2 said:First off—it’s pure idiocy to dump your mental struggles onto a bunch of strangers online rather than seeing a trained pro, like a psychiatrist. Mental suffering that isn't tied to some specific, trivial trauma is something most people find nearly impossible to grasp. When someone deals with chronic physical pain that strips away their will to live, everyone gets it—they offer sympathy. But emotional agony can be just as devastating, if not worse, than the pain from metastatic tumors—yet the person suffering is often met with judgment instead. It all stems from this massive delusion—this false idea—that a person can simply "decide" how they feel, what they want, or what brings them joy.

If you wake up every single morning—literally every single day—asking yourself if there’s even one solitary reason to face the daylight, and you come up empty... that isn't just "having a bad week." It's a serious medical condition called depression. We're talking about the core culprits: total lack of drive and anhedonia—that's the clinical inability to feel joy. For the person suffering, the world loses its color and sense; everything turns gray, senseless, and filled with this hollow, gnawing despair. Even the most basic tasks become a source of absolute psychological torture. Desires and pleasures? Gone. They get replaced by pure aversion—things that used to bring happiness now just feel repulsive.

You can't simply "think" your way out of depression—it’s just as futile as trying to wish away rheumatoid arthritis or a gallbladder issue. This isn't about willpower—or lacking it—and it certainly isn't about grit. Emotions are what provide life its color; they define our experiences as positive or negative. When the brain's limbic system fails, it's like someone reached out and flipped the master switch on your very source of life.

There are two primary neural systems in the brain governing motivation and pleasure—distinctly different beasts. First, you have the dopamine system: neurons firing from the VTA to the nucleus accumbens, releasing dopamine to hit those D1 and D2 receptors on spiny GABA cells. Crucially, dopamine isn't about the "reward" itself—it’s the engine—it dictates your baseline motivational tone, your drive, and that raw sense of "wanting." Then there’s the opioid system (endorphins), operating within that same nucleus and the ventral pallidum, which sets your baseline hedonic tone—your day-to-day capacity for actual satisfaction, regardless of what's happening externally. How much joy or drive any external stimulus actually triggers depends entirely on the excitability of the ventral pallidum—essentially the "limbic pleasure generator." Sure, you've got other players like endocannabinoids, orexin, oxytocin, and melanocortin modulating things via GABA neurons, but at the end of the day, it all comes down to the dopamine and opioid systems.

For a human being to feel naturally fulfilled and find actual purpose, these systems have to work—period. Look at the lesions in the ventral pallidum; in every mammal, including us, they cause a total collapse of motivation and pleasure. If that tiny little nucleus fails, the entire massive neocortex—that evolutionary masterpiece—loses its entire reason for being. It becomes nothing more than a "dead computer"—pure hardware without the software to run it.

Life has zero purpose beyond what our emotions provide—the raw drive of desire and pure pleasure. The ultimate mental state is one where motivation feels constant and effortless—where the world isn't just background noise, but a vibrant, high-stakes arena where everything actually matters. A person fueled by that kind of emotional wealth becomes something more—an inspired scientist, a visionary artist, an engineer, or a writer who actually produces.

Our capacity for pleasure is largely hardwired—genetics play a massive role—but external stressors can absolutely wreck the system. Take chronic stress, for example: it triggers CRF and cortisol, which essentially causes atrophy in the cortical and hippocampal dendrites. It’s like watching a high-performance engine corrode from the inside out. This process also tanks dopamine excitability via dynorphin and kappa opioid receptors (KOR). Since these cortical and hippocampal fields provide the vital projections to the VTA, they are absolutely critical for a functioning dopamine system. It's no coincidence, then, that we see a consistent reduction in gray matter within the ventral PFC and hippocampus among patients suffering from depression.

Chronic stress—think toxic office environments, constant bickering at home, deep isolation, low social standing, or crushing debt—is a real killer. It all boils down to individual tolerance levels, though. There’s a massive, undeniable link between high anxiety and depression.

Exercise helps, sure—as do antidepressants or long-term talk therapy—but let's be honest: those are band-aids on a bullet wound. Patients just end up circling back to the same issues indefinitely. Fortunately, depression rarely hits so hard that a person can't feel *anything* good. You get these fleeting bursts of motivation or tiny moments of joy here and there, even if they are weaker and shorter than what a healthy person experiences. For the depressed, it’s a Sisyphus-like struggle—pushing a boulder of mental effort just to catch a momentary glimpse of happiness before it dissolves back into nothingness.

For those stuck in treatment-resistant cycles, the only real light at the end of the tunnel is future gene therapy. We are approaching an era where "smart drugs" will act like precision-guided missiles—tiny biological packages with a specific "delivery address" for exact cell types in specific brain regions. Through biotechnology and eventually nanomedicine, we'll be able to fine-tune brain circuits, dial up or down the excitability of specific neurons, and even trigger neurogenesis to regrow damaged parts of the brain. Unlike today's blunt-force pharmaceuticals, these future treatments will hit only the target, achieving total therapeutic success without the side effects.

Ultimately, advanced genetic engineering will reach a tipping point where we can crank up motivation and pleasure to unprecedented levels. We could effectively sabotage the hedonic treadmill—that mechanism of tolerance that makes things feel less exciting over time—to ensure a person's baseline emotional state is one of permanent euphoria, surpassing even the most intense physical pleasures known today. That is how you truly eradicate depression; instead of moving through gradients of pain and suffering, we will move through gradients of pure bliss.

But wait—is there really no difference between doing nothing and actually taking action?
Isn't the very act of taking action essentially just making decisions?

If you look at how some people are way better at this than others—and how you can actually "train" yourself to be more successful at it—doesn't that top statement feel a little too extreme?

Look, sure, there are things in life you just can't influence, period.
But there are definitely things you CAN control.
You might not be able to force yourself to enjoy certain things, but when it comes to managing your mood? You absolutely can. Most of the time, it's totally within our power!
jadewolf16 jadewolf16 Active Member
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#56 ·
There’s definitely something worth fighting for!

It just sucks when you feel like an underdog who doesn't even stand a chance at the start.
casualridge40 casualridge40 Newcomer
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#57 ·
So, what about those of us who just want to actually enjoy life? Believe it or not, this is my actual life philosophy right now—and I’m only 20. My whole goal is to make sure every single day feels $33. I just want to wake up next to someone I love, live a modest life, and basically do absolutely nothing. Is that actually a healthy way to think? Because honestly, it’s starting to feel like maybe it isn't. :S

EDIT: I forgot to mention something someone else brought up. Why even bother grinding for more than that? Why work ourselves to death all day when everything gets taken away the second we die anyway? It feels pointless.
Austin Nelson2 Austin Nelson2 Member
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#58 ·
Paul Thompson3 said:I was going to post this in Philosophy, but since everyone in the psych group seems to share the common denominator of being "totally screwed," I figured I'd drop it here instead.
Life is a struggle—blah, blah, blah... But what happens when that struggle doesn't actually have a goal worth fighting for? When you’ve just been spinning your wheels for ages, staring at a wall, knowing full well nothing is ever going to change? You get those little bursts of ego, thinking you've made it, only to crash back down again—just an endless cycle of highs and lows against a backdrop of absolute, impenetrable nothingness. There's no safe harbor, no handhold, nothing actually worth living for.
Is this the headspace most people find themselves in right before they decide to end it all?


Life has to have meaning—even if we can't see it right now. Isn't there something beautiful about waiting for hope? You never know when it might finally show up. When you feel like everything has lost its purpose, that’s actually the perfect moment to start something new. Good luck.
As long as you’re breathing, you still have a shot... or so the terminally ill would tell you.
I truly hope you aren't in that position. I really do.
Kevin Nguyen3 Kevin Nguyen3 Regular
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#59 ·
Paul Thompson3 said:I was going to post this in Philosophy, but since everyone in the psych group seems to share the common denominator of being "totally screwed," I figured I'd drop it here instead.
Life is a struggle—blah, blah, blah... But what happens when that struggle doesn't actually have a goal worth fighting for? When you’ve just been spinning your wheels for ages, staring at a wall, knowing full well nothing is ever going to change? You get those little bursts of ego, thinking you've made it, only to crash back down again—just an endless cycle of highs and lows against a backdrop of absolute, impenetrable nothingness. There's no safe harbor, no handhold, nothing actually worth living for.
Is this the headspace most people find themselves in right before they decide to end it all?

No.
It all depends on how you define your objective.
If you set the bar impossibly high, then every single step forward feels like a failure. But if you approach life with realistic expectations based on your actual circumstances and conditions, then every little situation can be a source of joy. It really comes down to understanding two different contexts.
Look at it from this perspective: regardless of how life unfolds—whether it follows your predictable script or takes its own chaotic path—every tiny, mundane detail that makes up a life can offer you a reward in the form of happiness.
That is the realization suicidal individuals often reach.
The real question is, what exactly do you consider to be worth living for?!
Of course, everyone's perspective is subjective, so writing extensively about it is essentially pointless.
Try writing down what you have, what you lack, what you want, and what is actually achievable. Be objective about it, and I think you'll find life becomes a bit more cheerful, more fulfilling, and filled with fewer disappointments.
Right now, you're suffering from tunnel vision and can't see past your own nose—no offense intended. Life is so much more than a constant rat race for cash and some fantasies that have very little to do with reality.
Jerry Phillips19 Jerry Phillips19 Member
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#60 ·
casualridge40 said:So, what about those of us who just want to actually enjoy life? Believe it or not, this is my actual life philosophy right now—and I’m only 20. My whole goal is to make sure every single day feels $33. I just want to wake up next to someone I love, live a modest life, and basically do absolutely nothing. Is that actually a healthy way to think? Because honestly, it’s starting to feel like maybe it isn't. :S

EDIT: I forgot to mention something someone else brought up. Why even bother grinding for more than that? Why work ourselves to death all day when everything gets taken away the second we die anyway? It feels pointless.

Life would quickly become monotonous and hollow, leading you to manufacture your own problems. Human nature is designed such that a constant state of comfort won't sustain happiness indefinitely; we naturally require a purpose or something to strive for. If you actually achieve this dream of total leisure, you'll realize this truth firsthand.

We tend to crave whatever is out of reach, including a permanent state of ease. Once you have attained it for a while, you will inevitably find yourself desiring something more.

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