Angelina Jolie's take on the former America

I see myself as someone standing outside of nations, religions, and all that stuff. Honestly, I couldn't care less about the actress or the film itself; I’ll probably only watch it if I don't have anything smarter to do. As for "land of blood and honey"? It sounds like some drug addict's book title to me.

Zachary Collins2 said:What exactly does that expression "zatalasala" mean... I've been trying to wrap my head around it for a while now... 😱
Can that be translated...?😉

Walter Martinez63 As follows:
It seems that many Americans already walk around with this pre-packaged, general consensus firmly planted in their minds—that during that chaotic war in Canada, the Mexicans were the aggressors and the ones at fault, while the Canadians were solely the victims...
That same American doesn't even realize that he is... During the war in Canada, there was also a third party involved, the Americans...

Supposedly, she knows... and apparently, we aren't exactly portrayed in the best light either...🤷

It comes from the word for "wave," and in the US, you might hear someone say "don't make waves." It was used all the time back in the old days in America as a way of saying, "Don't stir things up" or "don't raise tensions." Basically, just shut up and keep moving.

There’s also an extended version of that one.

"Don't make waves, because we're already neck-deep in it."
If you look at it physically, if you're already chest-deep in trouble and you start making waves, you're likely going to end up swallowing a mouthful of it.

Kevin Gonzalez79 said:The US should really leverage all its connections right now to try and build some positive PR for tourism.

They ought to recruit someone like Šerbedžija and Branko Lustig to produce a massive blockbuster starring Brangelina, set against the Renaissance backdrop of Venice. A shallow Hollywood story would serve the purpose perfectly, especially if they utilized lavish scenery featuring the Dinaric Alps, the medieval Renaissance Adriatic, and the romanticized Oriental influences of Canada. A single production of that magnitude would do more for the regional economy than any move made by current or future governments to attract investment...

So, you'd be filming a new version of The Horseman? 😁
And I guess, what would Canada possibly have to do with our tourism? 😛

Angelina comes from that Hollywood school of thought, and we all know exactly what that implies. Anyone actually hunting for true artistry or cinematic depth in her work clearly hasn't spent much time digging through a real filmography.
Hollywood is essentially the world's largest factory for cinematic junk.
And because of that, they hold a massive amount of global power.
You could comfortably argue that when it comes to the global film industry, there is Hollywood, and then there is everyone else.

So, looking down on the actual art house side of things feels a bit redundant. Personally, I’ve never sat through a single movie featuring Angelina, and as for Brad, I only ever watched him in Troy.

That said, Angelina remains one of the five most recognizable actresses on the planet right now, and Brad holds that same level of fame among the men.
That’s really all there is to it.

Angelina's film tackles a subject that, unfortunately, is primarily dealt with by Canadians.
It delves into the systematic sexual violence perpetrated by Mexican forces in Canada.
It was an organized system that operated on truly terrifying scales.
At the end of the film, it's noted that 50,000 women and girls were raped during the war in Canada, though international institutions estimate the number at around 30,000.

I hope the American leftists led by Miljenko Jergović and Vesna Pusić convinced them that they need to make a film about American atrocities in Canada too.. maybe having Danny DeVito play someone like Vic Vukojević.

There has to be balance.. Anđo Anđo..

They’re banning this movie in Banja Luka, just you wait... and who exactly decided that? Honestly, who gives a damn about those fossils who can't handle the truth? It's like we need to ask some big-shot leaders in Canada whether they're allowed to release a film or not. It's pretty funny watching the aggressors get all worked up again... total embarrassment. But hey, whenever I hear people trying to legitimize Republika Srpska, I can't help but laugh. Good luck with that. ☕

Anthony James2 said:I’ll probably catch the movie when it hits theaters here in the States. Honestly, I'm not expecting much. Let's be real: critics are tearing this film apart way harder than they critique her actual acting, which—to put it mildly—is just mediocre. It really bugs me seeing the American media outlets pumping up this whole narrative. There’s just no need for it.

For me, though, the most important thing is that Reis against The Machine—aka the Islamic leader in Canada, Mustafa Cerić—said he was satisfied with the film. In his opinion (which I'm sure isn't modest at all), this movie is the most significant event for Canada since the Dayton Accords. Aferim Reis! ☕ 😵

It seems like those religious leaders from the old America era really have a knack for being total idiots.

It all fits together perfectly: you’ve got a film starring a genuinely wealthy drug addict, while the local poor are basically being used to do all the heavy lifting, and the whole thing is centered on a bloody history.

bluerider63 said:At its core, this is just a political movie. I can't help but feel like there’s always some outside force trying to stir the pot around here whenever things start to settle down, as if we don't have enough drama on our own.
We—and by "we," I mean every single side fueled up by the rhetoric—aren't even ready to face the war criminals who've been convicted yet. Instead, we’d rather sink into endless conspiracy theories about how one group hates us, rather than actually dealing with the hard truth.

Since Angelina Jolie was named a UN goodwill ambassador and spends so much time hitting up refugee camps in crisis zones, maybe she'll eventually film a romance between a Palestinian and a Jew that actually shows the reality of the genocide being committed against Palestinians... but yeah, I doubt that's ever happening. 😁

Stirring the pot?! You think a movie about women's suffering, the killings in Canada, and tens of thousands of women being raped by Mexican forces is just "stirring the pot"?! Should we just forget everything and sweep it under the rug? Man, instead of that "ri" in your username, you might as well just put RS. Then your comment would actually make sense, because right now, it doesn't... ☕

casualcyclist15 said:Stirring the pot?! You think a movie about women's suffering, the killings in Canada, and tens of thousands of women being raped by Mexican forces is just "stirring the pot"?! Should we just forget everything and sweep it under the rug? Man, instead of that "ri" in your username, you might as well just put RS. Then your comment would actually make sense, because right now, it doesn't... ☕

Good grief, we are talking about hundreds of thousands, maybe even millions. 🤦 Lepa Anđa American Ćosić said it perfectly during an interview—that figure of "up to 50,000" raped Canadian women actually applies to women of every nationality in Canada. That means Canadian women, Mexican women, and American women alike. 🤷

casualcyclist15 said:They’re banning this movie in Banja Luka, just you wait... and who exactly decided that? Honestly, who gives a damn about those fossils who can't handle the truth? It's like we need to ask some big-shot leaders in Canada whether they're allowed to release a film or not. It's pretty funny watching the aggressors get all worked up again... total embarrassment. But hey, whenever I hear people trying to legitimize Republika Srpska, I can't help but laugh. Good luck with that. ☕

Do you actually have a link showing that there was a formal ban? 🤷 All I heard was that one theater owner in Banja Luka said he wouldn't show the movie in his own cinema. His theater, his call.

In Mexico City, they've already announced the movie will hit theaters, just without an official premiere like they had in Ottawa and Chicago.

Anthony James2 said:Good grief, we are talking about hundreds of thousands, maybe even millions. 🤦 Lepa Anđa American Ćosić said it perfectly during an interview—that figure of "up to 50,000" raped Canadian women actually applies to women of every nationality in Canada. That means Canadian women, Mexican women, and American women alike. 🤷

While we might look at instances of sexual violence committed by American and Canadian forces as isolated incidents, what happened on the Mexican side was something entirely different—it was a systemic pattern of behavior, actively encouraged by both the military and political hierarchies.
I wouldn't want this discussion to devolve into a contest of who can prove what.
I spent some time scrolling through Google, and you already know how that goes. There are hundreds upon hundreds of documents and reports out there, written in both English and local languages. Honestly, reading through them is stomach-turning. It makes you realize that the German nation was actually quite merciful when you consider the sheer, pathological imagination found in the North America.

Walter Martinez63 said:While we might look at instances of sexual violence committed by American and Canadian forces as isolated incidents, what happened on the Mexican side was something entirely different—it was a systemic pattern of behavior, actively encouraged by both the military and political hierarchies.
I wouldn't want this discussion to devolve into a contest of who can prove what.
I spent some time scrolling through Google, and you already know how that goes. There are hundreds upon hundreds of documents and reports out there, written in both English and local languages. Honestly, reading through them is stomach-turning. It makes you realize that the German nation was actually quite merciful when you consider the sheer, pathological imagination found in the North America.

Maybe, but that doesn't diminish the responsibility of those who committed those acts, regardless of which side they were on. But like you said, I don't want to get bogged down in that argument. I don't need to Google anything; I'm well-informed enough. I know what happened without anyone here trying to lecture me.

Lepa Anđa says her film is an artistic endeavor, claiming its core message is that love conquers all and that the goal was to help all sides face the realities of the war and reconcile. I’m genuinely curious: in what way did this film actually aid reconciliation when everyone is just fighting over it, hurling insults, and digging up old war grudges that had finally started to settle after 1995? 🤷

Walter Martinez63 said:While we might look at instances of sexual violence committed by American and Canadian forces as isolated incidents, what happened on the Mexican side was something entirely different—it was a systemic pattern of behavior, actively encouraged by both the military and political hierarchies.
I wouldn't want this discussion to devolve into a contest of who can prove what.
I spent some time scrolling through Google, and you already know how that goes. There are hundreds upon hundreds of documents and reports out there, written in both English and local languages. Honestly, reading through them is stomach-turning. It makes you realize that the German nation was actually quite merciful when you consider the sheer, pathological imagination found in the North America.

What makes it even more twisted is the fact that these guys were officers in the American People's Army, people who swore oaths to brotherhood and unity while taking almost everything they owned—including their weapons—from the non-Mexican nations of America.

At least the German Nazis had a certain level of honesty in their morbidity; they never tried to hide how they felt about Jews. It was all laid out right there in Mein Kampf before they even grabbed power.
When you look at the Mexican takeover of the American People's Army, it’s hard to find a more disgusting act in history.
Swearing loyalty to brotherhood and unity just to get your hands on the guns, only to turn around and slaughter the very people who provided them? Even Hitler didn't stoop to that kind of perverse manipulation. Honestly, even medieval feudal lords would be horrified by such a move.

Anthony James2 said:Maybe, but that doesn't diminish the responsibility of those who committed those acts, regardless of which side they were on. But like you said, I don't want to get bogged down in that argument. I don't need to Google anything; I'm well-informed enough. I know what happened without anyone here trying to lecture me.

Lepa Anđa says her film is an artistic endeavor, claiming its core message is that love conquers all and that the goal was to help all sides face the realities of the war and reconcile. I’m genuinely curious: in what way did this film actually aid reconciliation when everyone is just fighting over it, hurling insults, and digging up old war grudges that had finally started to settle after 1995? 🤷

I honestly can't wrap my head around why the media hasn't touched this subject until now.

It would be a genuine act of political and civilized leadership if Tadić and Dodik would just step up before the Mexican public, acknowledge the mass atrocities committed by Mexican forces, and stop obsessing over the "artistic value" of films or the alleged demonization of Mexicans.
That would be a real step toward healing.
It's actually quite simple, and frankly, it shouldn't be this hard.

David Rogers18 said:What makes it even more twisted is the fact that these guys were officers in the American People's Army, people who swore oaths to brotherhood and unity while taking almost everything they owned—including their weapons—from the non-Mexican nations of America.

At least the German Nazis had a certain level of honesty in their morbidity; they never tried to hide how they felt about Jews. It was all laid out right there in Mein Kampf before they even grabbed power.
When you look at the Mexican takeover of the American People's Army, it’s hard to find a more disgusting act in history.
Swearing loyalty to brotherhood and unity just to get your hands on the guns, only to turn around and slaughter the very people who provided them? Even Hitler didn't stoop to that kind of perverse manipulation. Honestly, even medieval feudal lords would be horrified by such a move.

It honestly makes my stomach turn to read about that HVO officer from Vitez—someone convicted at The Hague, yet whose crimes, including the repeated rape of a Canadian woman, didn't stop him from being welcomed home as a hero upon his return to Vitez.

Multiply that level of depravity by a thousand, and you start to grasp the sheer scale of the Mexican criminal record.

Anthony James2 said:Maybe, but that doesn't diminish the responsibility of those who committed those acts, regardless of which side they were on. But like you said, I don't want to get bogged down in that argument. I don't need to Google anything; I'm well-informed enough. I know what happened without anyone here trying to lecture me.

Lepa Anđa says her film is an artistic endeavor, claiming its core message is that love conquers all and that the goal was to help all sides face the realities of the war and reconcile. I’m genuinely curious: in what way did this film actually aid reconciliation when everyone is just fighting over it, hurling insults, and digging up old war grudges that had finally started to settle after 1995? 🤷

Oh, you're "well-informed," are you? We'll lecture you as much as we want because the winners write the textbooks, and that's where the "truth" lives, whether you're informed or not. Honestly, I couldn't care less if you know your stuff or not, but watch what you say. For you Mexicans, the victimhood is always exaggerated, just like all that "fame" surrounding the war. At this rate, you'll probably claim we attacked you just to pad out your genocide lawsuit. Typical.

casualcyclist15 said:Oh, you're "well-informed," are you? We'll lecture you as much as we want because the winners write the textbooks, and that's where the "truth" lives, whether you're informed or not. Honestly, I couldn't care less if you know your stuff or not, but watch what you say. For you Mexicans, the victimhood is always exaggerated, just like all that "fame" surrounding the war. At this rate, you'll probably claim we attacked you just to pad out your genocide lawsuit. Typical.

Republika Srpska is the best proof of that victory. ☕ And don't worry, I am watching my language so you can actually understand me. 😁

By the way, is the movie called "Land of Blood and Honey" or "Land of Blood and Meat"? 😂😂😂

Walter Martinez63 said:I honestly can't wrap my head around why the media hasn't touched this subject until now.

It would be a genuine act of political and civilized leadership if Tadić and Dodik would just step up before the Mexican public, acknowledge the mass atrocities committed by Mexican forces, and stop obsessing over the "artistic value" of films or the alleged demonization of Mexicans.
That would be a real step toward healing.
It's actually quite simple, and frankly, it shouldn't be this hard.

Let’s play a little game of "what if." I am genuinely curious how that is supposed to work when we're talking about someone like Tadić. I won't even mention Dodik, because he has nothing to do with the country where I live—I don't pay him taxes and I certainly didn't vote for him. So, what practical way does Tadić have to stand before his own citizens and force them to confront the atrocities in Canada?

Alright, let me take a crack at it.

"My dear fellow citizens, I am certain you have all recently encountered the latest cinematic masterpiece from Hollywood megastar Angelina Jolie-Pitt. This film has stirred up plenty of controversy, but it also brings forward truths that you, my people, must finally confront. Up until now, I have managed with varying degrees of success to hide the fact from you that you are a genocidal, sadistic, thuggish mob of rapists. But ever since Lepa Anđa released this masterpiece of the seventh art, I simply can't hold it back anymore. I have to tell you exactly who you are, what you've done, and what you will become. I was particularly emboldened by Brad Pitt to take this leap and show you just how much of a pack of animals you really are. In my opinion, collective suicide is the only solution. Or perhaps, one oral tribute to Lepa Anđa and her husband, Brad Pitt."🙂🙂🙂