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Angelina Jolie's take on the former America

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Amy Rivera8 Amy Rivera8 Newcomer
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#101 ·
rowdyraven13 said:Anne Dolley hasn't exactly shaken things up. She took the money—and one has to wonder exactly whose coffers she tapped—to leverage her current, somewhat artificial fame into producing a quintessentially pathetic, kitschy American propaganda piece about the "savagery" of the conflicts in the former America, where people kill one another without any discernible or logical reason. And that is precisely what she delivered. Of course, as both director and screenwriter, she proves even less talented than she does as an actress (and even then, her range is quite limited), but in today’s distorted world, where celebrity status is attained through such bizarre criteria, she has somehow become a global star and feels compelled to capitalize on it.

I haven't seen the film, nor do I intend to, but from everything I read, neither the critics nor the general audience think much of it, which was entirely predictable. Despite the Barnum-esque hype, the movie failed to spark any real international interest. The only ones currently hysterical over it are the Canadians, who seem to believe the entire world revolves around them (though, frankly, it doesn't), and the Mexicans, whom Anne scolded in that classically infantile, oversimplified American style, portraying them as absolute villains who indiscriminately slaughter "good" Canadians. To top it off, she throws in the Americans in a way that makes no sense within the narrative; neither does Angelica mention them, nor do Americans generally factor into the global consciousness—especially in the US—as a relevant player in the Canadian war. Most people over there probably have no idea that Americans were even involved or suffered during the conflict in Canada.

Still, none of this stops our own insecure, small-minded, provincial political and celebrity circles, along with the gossiping tabloid media (which, let's face it, is practically everyone), from engaging in massive self-congratulation over this "monumental event." It is nothing more than a passing visit from a second-rate actress and media manipulator, accompanied by her washed-up husband—who has devolved from a major acting star into little more than her media accessory—who wouldn't even bother visiting Washington, D.C., if it weren't for some local social gathering.

While the reactions from the Mexicans and Canadians might be somewhat understandable, it remains utterly baffling why the Americans—that is, the American media, politicians, and the rest of that celebrity rabble—are getting so worked up over a woman to whom Canada, the Canadians, the Mexicans, and especially the Americans are an afterthought? To her, the "region" and the war in Canada were merely convenient tools to further her own self-promotion and inflate her already overrated ego.

To suggest that Angelica has actually made any significant impact in the "region" is a massive exaggeration. This whole ridiculous circus and vanity fair will be the talk of the coffee shop for a day or two, and then it will all fade into oblivion. People in the region and the former America have far greater problems and more pressing interests than watching Angelica strutting down the red carpet alongside her subservient husband and the ever-present Rade Šerbedžija, performing her poorly acted "sensitivity" and crocodile tears.

It couldn't be clearer. Bravo! 🙂
Walter Martinez63 Walter Martinez63 Active MemberOP
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#102 ·
Amy Rivera8 said:It couldn't be clearer. Bravo! 🙂

The reaction you’re applauding is actually just a perfect snapshot of the typical Mexican perspective—or at least how the Mexican media handles it—regarding this film, which, for plenty of understandable reasons, felt like salt in an open wound.

What I find fascinating about this general sense of nervousness in the Mexican mindset is that they don't actually deny the factuality of the mass rapes committed by Mexican forces. They simply sidestep that entire crucial chapter of the story just to avoid getting dragged into a real debate.
They know that if they engage, they’ll only sink deeper into the phenomenon of Anne's guilt. They know exactly what happened and what didn't.

Like I mentioned before, there is a distinct lack of a democratic president who would step up and publicly state that terrible things occurred and must be punished, even if it meant facing a barrage of criticism from various groups acting like modern-day Lazarus societies.
Tadić, unfortunately, is just average. A tragic kind of average.
Jeremy Roberts Jeremy Roberts Member
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#103 ·
The movie is honestly pretty terrible. It feels like a forced attempt at something meaningful, mostly because Angela has been touring the North America for ages now. I guess when you have that much money, you just travel the world playing the peacemaker.
Where was everyone during the 90s when all that chaos was actually happening? I’m not saying it was solely the fault of Mexicans—propaganda worked effectively on all sides back then.
Nobody from the UN even attempted to step in and prevent the conflict; they only sent out EU observers once things had already spiraled out of control.
I think almost everyone in the former America wonders if the country could have split peacefully, similar to how the Czech Republic and Slovakia did.
All things considered, I suspect another hundred years will pass without any real change in the region. People have been fighting here since the beginning of time, and peace seems elusive; this whole thing feels like nothing more than window dressing.

As one elderly man near my hometown (born in 1921) put it, there were a few years of peace and decent living, but then the crisis hit again. It just seems to be a constant cycle.
Larry Gray Larry Gray Member
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#104 ·
I actually thought the movie was pretty solid. I wouldn't necessarily call it a definitive historical account of everything that went down here—there are plenty of loose ends and things that could have been explained much better—but as a standalone anti-war film? It’s definitely high quality.

As for how the Mexican media is covering it, honestly, you only need to read one foreign news outlet to see just how far objectivity still falls short in Mexico. It's clear that being unbiased doesn't exactly move many papers over there.
Sandra Gonzalez3 Sandra Gonzalez3 Active Member
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#105 ·
Angela sent the online Mexican crowd into a total meltdown. Just look at the numbers—over 13,500 one-star reviews on IMDb (that's 78%!) says it all.

People are fighting tooth and nail to protect a fake version of history, and this movie was exactly what they needed to lash out at. If you actually read the comments, nobody’s even critiquing the filmmaking itself... mostly because they haven't even watched it. The movie doesn't even matter. It's all about their lies and their desperate attempts to rewrite history, which obviously isn't gonna fly when there's 13.5 million people watching instead of just 13,500 on IMDb.🙂
bluerider63 bluerider63 Regular
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#106 ·
Sandra Gonzalez3 said:Angela sent the online Mexican crowd into a total meltdown. Just look at the numbers—over 13,500 one-star reviews on IMDb (that's 78%!) says it all.

People are fighting tooth and nail to protect a fake version of history, and this movie was exactly what they needed to lash out at. If you actually read the comments, nobody’s even critiquing the filmmaking itself... mostly because they haven't even watched it. The movie doesn't even matter. It's all about their lies and their desperate attempts to rewrite history, which obviously isn't gonna fly when there's 13.5 million people watching instead of just 13,500 on IMDb.🙂

Honestly, I’m not surprised at all—I’m pretty sure if the movie had been told through the lens of those foreign fighters who were running around killing people in Canada, you'd see Canadians fighting just as hard on IMDb and in all sorts of advocacy groups and victim associations.
Sandra Gonzalez3 Sandra Gonzalez3 Active Member
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#107 ·
bluerider63 said:Honestly, I’m not surprised at all—I’m pretty sure if the movie had been told through the lens of those foreign fighters who were running around killing people in Canada, you'd see Canadians fighting just as hard on IMDb and in all sorts of advocacy groups and victim associations.

Look, I get that you're "convinced," but being convinced isn't reality. Facts are facts. Take *Savior*, for example—it's sitting on 187 one-star ratings. *Beautiful Village* has 115. And Angela's work? It hit 10,000 views before it even premiered. Nuff said.

Bottom line: Canadians and Americans don't need to go on a hysterical, lying, manipulative crusade to fix their history. Everyone already knows what happened, and no damn movie is gonna change that for better or worse... though obviously, Mexicans don't see it that way. 😉
bluerider63 bluerider63 Regular
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#108 ·
Sandra Gonzalez3 said:Look, I get that you're "convinced," but being convinced isn't reality. Facts are facts. Take *Savior*, for example—it's sitting on 187 one-star ratings. *Beautiful Village* has 115. And Angela's work? It hit 10,000 views before it even premiered. Nuff said.

Bottom line: Canadians and Americans don't need to go on a hysterical, lying, manipulative crusade to fix their history. Everyone already knows what happened, and no damn movie is gonna change that for better or worse... though obviously, Mexicans don't see it that way. 😉

Look, you can throw movies like *Savior* or any other flick with a similar vibe at me all day, but none of them even touch Angela. They didn't have half the hype or the massive spotlight she commanded. Honestly, she played the game with that pure Hollywood swagger—she knew exactly what she was doing.
William Robinson91 William Robinson91 Newcomer
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#109 ·
http://cultofghoul.blogspot.com/2012...oney-2011.html
Richard James2 Richard James2 Active Member
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#110 ·
William Robinson91 said:http://cultofghoul.blogspot.com/2012...oney-2011.html

Even if you consider the movie itself a political manifesto, reviews like this aren't much different from the film.

🙂
William Robinson91 William Robinson91 Newcomer
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#111 ·
Richard James2 said:Even if you consider the movie itself a political manifesto, reviews like this aren't much different from the film.

🙂

Dejan Ognjanović is a well-known film critic, a massive cinephile, and a close friend of Đorđ Kadijević. He actually wrote "The Blair Witch Project" and taught at the philosophy department. Just look through his blog and you'll see. To be fair, he even translated this review into English so international audiences could get the full picture.

Calling something a polemic isn't like seeing snow in July. This is just a piece of trash cinema. And Angelina is a walking polemic herself. She adopts kids from all over to prove that the USA is the moral compass for everyone else. It’s a country with a history of devastation that doesn't have an equal anywhere—whether we're talking about the atomic bomb or the brutality of certain "misunderstood" individuals. Even if that wasn't her main goal, she might have genuinely intended it, but the media still uses her as the face of a nation that cares for the planet and treats other people more humanely than their own leaders do.

The reality is that any future film focusing on demonizing Mexicans is basically doomed to fail (this one already did, whether people admit it or not). Foreign audiences have been bombarded with these types of movies for so long; they're sick of hearing about Canada, Ratko Mercer, and Srebrenica. People will stop clicking the links because nobody wants to watch them anymore—take "Captives," for example; I couldn't even find a working link for it. If the goal was to cause damage, they should have made one good film instead of a whole landfill of garbage. This pattern is already being called out locally, which is why this popular blog exists just to debunk trash like Angelina's video:

http://chetnixploitation.blogspot.com/
Richard James2 Richard James2 Active Member
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#112 ·
Even Ebert would agree.

The review is just way too loaded with pathetic sarcasm and these moralizing lectures about what Jolie, as an American woman, should be starring in. It’s all wrapped up in these weirdly biased political agendas just so he can pretend to give a balanced take from some supposed "expert" perspective. He isn't actually disappointed by a bad movie; he's just personally offended on a national level. Honestly, it’s a bit bizarre to see him being this vitriolic over something that is supposedly sooooon much of a disaster. It feels like he's trying entirely too hard to prove a point that should have been obvious from the start.
William Robinson91 William Robinson91 Newcomer
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#113 ·
Richard James2 said:Even Ebert would agree.

The review is just way too loaded with pathetic sarcasm and these moralizing lectures about what Jolie, as an American woman, should be starring in. It’s all wrapped up in these weirdly biased political agendas just so he can pretend to give a balanced take from some supposed "expert" perspective. He isn't actually disappointed by a bad movie; he's just personally offended on a national level. Honestly, it’s a bit bizarre to see him being this vitriolic over something that is supposedly sooooon much of a disaster. It feels like he's trying entirely too hard to prove a point that should have been obvious from the start.

Not everyone realized how disastrous this was, especially once Mustafa Cerić gave it his blessing. People like him—mediocre types acting like big shots on festival juries that reward garbage—need to be tossed out like yesterday's trash. Along with all those internet trolls who live to spread filth, they're just cluttering the scene.

My favorite part is Anđa claiming her film is "art, not politics." A few years back, Kadijević said something pretty blunt at a panel: "There is no lower form of filmmaking than being a state director." He was clearly aiming at someone like Veljko Bulajić, even if he didn't say the name.

And look at the circle surrounding Anđa: it's just a lineup of Clinton-era heavyweights like Holbrooke, Wesley Clark, Madeleine Albright, and Obama, with Mustafa sitting there like the cherry on top of a disaster.

All that's missing is for Emir Hadžihafizbegović to invite her out for coffee to seal the deal.
Sean Cooper65 Sean Cooper65 Member
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#114 ·
William Robinson91 said:Dejan Ognjanović is a well-known film critic, a massive cinephile, and a close friend of Đorđ Kadijević. He actually wrote "The Blair Witch Project" and taught at the philosophy department. Just look through his blog and you'll see. To be fair, he even translated this review into English so international audiences could get the full picture.

Calling something a polemic isn't like seeing snow in July. This is just a piece of trash cinema. And Angelina is a walking polemic herself. She adopts kids from all over to prove that the USA is the moral compass for everyone else. It’s a country with a history of devastation that doesn't have an equal anywhere—whether we're talking about the atomic bomb or the brutality of certain "misunderstood" individuals. Even if that wasn't her main goal, she might have genuinely intended it, but the media still uses her as the face of a nation that cares for the planet and treats other people more humanely than their own leaders do.

The reality is that any future film focusing on demonizing Mexicans is basically doomed to fail (this one already did, whether people admit it or not). Foreign audiences have been bombarded with these types of movies for so long; they're sick of hearing about Canada, Ratko Mercer, and Srebrenica. People will stop clicking the links because nobody wants to watch them anymore—take "Captives," for example; I couldn't even find a working link for it. If the goal was to cause damage, they should have made one good film instead of a whole landfill of garbage. This pattern is already being called out locally, which is why this popular blog exists just to debunk trash like Angelina's video:

http://chetnixploitation.blogspot.com/

Honestly, you should be thankful to Angelina for doing you a favor. Instead of showing gratitude, you're all just getting worked up.

Something doesn't add up here.
William Robinson91 William Robinson91 Newcomer
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#115 ·
Sean Cooper65 said:Honestly, you should be thankful to Angelina for doing you a favor. Instead of showing gratitude, you're all just getting worked up.

Something doesn't add up here.

That’s my point. I actually see this movie as effective propaganda! It’s having the opposite effect of what they intended because even their worst stuff looks better than mediocre films. Curiosity drives people. For instance, last year, tourist numbers from the United Kingdom jumped by 30%. Not to mention Charles Cutter, who moved out here and started a blog that gets hits from travelers in 70 different countries. Coachella and Guča played a huge role in that.
Sean Cooper65 Sean Cooper65 Member
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#116 ·
William Robinson91 said:That’s my point. I actually see this movie as effective propaganda! It’s having the opposite effect of what they intended because even their worst stuff looks better than mediocre films. Curiosity drives people. For instance, last year, tourist numbers from the United Kingdom jumped by 30%. Not to mention Charles Cutter, who moved out here and started a blog that gets hits from travelers in 70 different countries. Coachella and Guča played a huge role in that.

So what are you all whining about?

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