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bluebison25 said:@orah: Let's not get bogged down in endless arguments that just go in circles. Most people can probably agree with my point without us needing to start a massive brawl 🙂.
@Nancy Wilson2: Yeah, I'm basically just killing time right now—either handling private business or working out in the field. Unfortunately, this economic crisis is hitting every single sector. Based on my gut feeling, this year is going to be about 20% worse, which means we'll see roughly two months' worth of lost customers in the hospitality industry. As for the topic at hand: I don't know exactly what you experienced. I don't want to sound arrogant, but for people who have had near-death experiences (like my grandmother did), describing butterflies, pure joy, or flying over a meadow of flowers (that’s exactly how she put it), scientists gave us an answer a long time ago. It's just the brain hallucinating due to lack of oxygen, creating those vivid images. To me, it looks like the brain's desperate struggle to stay online as long as possible before it completely shuts down and wipes all our memories and knowledge
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Here is how I see it: scientists already understand which part of the brain handles which function. We know the mind is essentially just a series of chemical reactions. If you damage one specific area of the brain, you lose certain mental faculties. It is simply not true that people with brain damage possess an intact "soul" while just being unable to communicate with us. Everything regarding a person's mind and personality can be stripped away if the brain is compromised: you might lose the ability to recognize faces, forget animal names while remembering everything else, or someone's entire personality could shift until they become totally antisocial, and so on.
Damage one part of the brain, lose one skill; damage another, lose another.
If you damage—or rather, shut down—the entire brain, what happens? Go ahead, answer that yourself; I’ve already found my own answer.
What religion tells us is that if the whole brain is destroyed, then upon death, our mind somehow magically ascends to heaven where we speak American and can finally recognize our grandma again.
On this final point, you are conflating the mind with consciousness. The mind dies along with the body. Do you truly believe that you *are* your mind? Fine—calculate "in your head" what 88 minus 35 is. What did you utilize? Your mind, of course. If you are your mind, how did you utilize it? What was it that actually performed the calculation? It is the same with the physical body: pick up a pen, look at it, and set it back down. What did you use? Your hand, yes, but you utilized your mind to direct it. Who is the user? The "I"—that is consciousness. Consciousness directs the mind, which in turn directs the body. That is what you actually ARE. At that level, you are absolutely identical to everyone else.
As for my own experience, I stepped directly into that silent consciousness that exists "behind" the mind. This consciousness is what some call the soul, infinite awareness, pure consciousness, or even God. In certain traditions, it is referred to as the state of Aiden. Aiden represents a state devoid of space, time, or thought; it translates to nothingness. There is a reason for that nomenclature. Because what lies "behind" the mind is, quite literally, infinite. Unfortunately, you have never experienced this, so you likely won't grasp the essence of what I am saying.
http://www.near-death.com/experiences/lsd04.html "Are NDEs Hallucinations?" discusses this very subject. Tell me, if these are ALL hallucinations, wouldn't one need a functioning brain to have such elaborate hallucinations in the first place? What, then, can be said about those whose brains were NOT functioning? As far as I am aware, they didn't see meadows or whatever else... though these are indeed projections of the mind/consciousness, and these projections depend heavily on one's psychological state. After all, why do some see meadows, greenery, and light, while others see hell, fire, and torment? Both are illusions. Yet, the state of conscious infinity that resides behind those illusions is profoundly real. It is as simple as that—no flights of fancy required; the reality is quite straightforward.