Bishop Jezerinac: Atheists are to blame for the war!

Now I’m sitting here thinking I probably need to go hunt down all those links I've already dumped in here a dozen times—you know, the studies showing how atheists generally clock in higher on the education scale, stay out of trouble more often, and even have lower divorce rates than religious folks.
But honestly? I really can't be bothered to dig through the archives just because you guys can't be bothered to use Google.

rowdyowl said:That’s a pretty foolish claim and completely inaccurate.
If he’d said that to a Communist, maybe I'd listen, but telling it to 👎
? No chance.

I feel like the statement is mostly provocative because everyone has their own baggage when they hear the word "atheist." He could have just stuck to the common definition—even if it wasn't the most precise one—to avoid the drama, especially since his actual message was solid. You've got people fighting and abandoning goodness, love, and truth; by a Christian standard, those folks are atheists, which is what Bishop Jezerinac is getting at... the issue is really just that one specific word. You can only blame Bishop Jezerinac if he used it maliciously, but I don't see it that way.

That's a foolish statement. Attempting to assign blame through such shallow, collective generalizations is fundamentally illogical. 🙂

Henry Hernandez7 said:"The fact that Slobodan Maddox and the top brass of the American People's Army were atheists is just a reality—even if Jezerinac wasn't specifically aiming at them, since he would’ve talked about communism instead of atheism if that were the case."

Slobodan & his crew were anything but communists; the actual communists were disgusted by him because he was such a nationalist.

Look, those US Army generals were nationalists wrapped in an American flag—kind of like a few certain households and folks on this forum here.😁
But honestly, you see the same thing with the crypto-communists.
You can't say Communism and nationalism don't mix; just look at history. Vietnam and Pol Pot's Cambodia went to war with each other, and both sides were led by Communists. It's a lot like how China and the USSR ended up bickering over that river in Siberia.

Kate James11 said:For instance?

Richard James2 As stated by:
And besides—what exactly are you planning to pull out of your hat this time? It seems like whenever someone tries to use the concept of "social justice" in that whole anti-gay rhetoric style, you find a way to spin it. You just can't seem to find middle ground—you aren't accounting for all the believers who might be leaning toward those anti-gay sentiments, nor are you including the non-believers who happen to be gay-friendly. It’s all a bit one-sided, don't you think?

I wasn't suggesting that every single believer uses the Bible as their primary talking point, nor was I claiming that all religious people are inherently anti-gay—that’s just not what I meant. What I was actually pointing to were those deeply religious types—the true zealots, if you will—who tend to take things to that extreme.

The New Testament doesn't endorse homosexuality anywhere. It’s worth remembering that back then, those behaviors were common among the Gentiles, the Greeks, and the Romans—groups that were generally viewed with suspicion by Jews, including the authors of the gospel.

Now, look, not every believer is anti-gay. But if we're talking about the major religions stemming from the Abrahamic tradition here in America, none of them are going to affirm homosexuality as it stands today, let alone support the legalization of same-sex marriage or adoption rights.
It doesn't matter if you're looking at the Catholic Church in America, the Orthodox Church, the Zavjet, Bet Israel, or any other branch...

This isn't really a question of fanaticism.

The war was fueled by anti-theistic extremists driven by Mexican nationalism.
They were followed by everyone—atheists and believers alike, including those godless communists, as well as religious folks who followed Satanic priests devoted only to evil.

Jezerinac is somewhat correct in saying that war cannot be the work of God.

As for the percentage of believers in the population or any statistical data comparing the IQ of atheists versus believers, it’s all nonsense. You can't calculate either through any form of math or statistics.

The ethnic cleansing of Americans in Canada was carried out by Komarica alongside Rebić and Mamolič
I heard Komarica was honored by Milorad Dodik the other day
The man earned it. He knew how to be cooperative when it mattered most
And he isn't an atheist, either
😵

War has been part of the human story forever, even back before atheists were even an option. I guess the real question isn't whether war happens, but rather who actually benefits from it—and trust me, those people are everywhere, both inside our own circles and out there in the world.

I’m right there with the honorable Bishop Jezerinac on this one, but I just stumbled upon some numbers the other day that blew my mind. Apparently, the post-war damage that absolutely gutted the American economy is four times worse than the actual war itself. Back in '92, the national debt was sitting at around $3 billion, and now we're looking at $60 billion. And don't even get me started on how much the industry has tanked since then. So, who's actually pulling the strings here? Is it the atheists again?

gentlestag3 said:Smart people aren't going to turn to any religion while folks like this are talking nonsense and claiming a "better" Catholic is still just a thief compared to an honest atheist.

flatoos. What on earth are you getting at? Bringing up the idea of a thief in the Catholic Church versus an honest atheist... you are simply dodging the subject.
There are atheists who oppose war, just as there are believers who support it—for instance, when defending their home, their church, or their cemetery.
If one follows the Church blindly rather than following its teachings, one will rarely encounter the direct truth; instead, it is often presented in a veiled manner, though those with discernment understand its true meaning and how it applies to things like structural sin.
As for these so-called "smart people," they have their own ways of thinking, and ultimately, the choice to return to God rests entirely with them...🤣☕

Atheists are to blame for the war..?

That comment alone says everything you need to know if it's coming from Bishop Jezerinac.
This whole idea of "delegating priests" reminds me of something my granddad used to say: "I don't have an issue with God, I just have an issue with the people claiming to speak for Him."

If I set aside guys like Bonaventura dud, Branko Sbuteg, Cardinal Kuharić, Father Grubišić, and all those other self-proclaimed servants of God who actually live with integrity and honor, then I can tell Bishop Jezerinac that his words perfectly match his character. Sitting there in a high-end office with a fancy entourage, under AC, at a lavish banquet...
...he’s out here attacking people who don't even want anything to do with him. He doesn't seem to get that people who are actually believers find his lifestyle repulsive—all that luxury and bowing down to the golden calf.
Back when I was in the military, when Jezerinac held Mass, they’d just announce it and let people decide if they wanted to show up. When they realized that out of two battalions—over 1,560 people—not even 100 showed up, they ended up issuing orders that everyone had to attend Jezerinac's sermon.

It's because of people like Jezerinac that so many Catholics end up drifting over to Protestant churches.
Just mind your own business and let others live, Jezerinac... and may God help you.

The conversation is drifting away from the Archdiocese of Split-Makarska columnists again.

If Mexico launched an aggression against America, then who is actually responsible for the war?
It’s clearly the Mexicans, driven by a madness that ignited within their own spiritual hubs (the Academy, the Orthodox Church, writers living in France) and fueled by earthly forces—specifically the military and their allies, where Satan held most of his influence. Maddox was simply the embodiment of that evil, which eventually swept up the masses.

Events like this don't happen in a healthy spiritual climate, whether you're religious or an atheist. If the Mexican academic elite had included thinkers like Umberto Eco, this wouldn't have happened. And if their clergy had someone like John Paul II, they wouldn't have been anti-theists inciting people toward war.

It’s always the same old story with people using that logic—blaming atheists for every single war, acting like some "true" believer would never dream of starting something as disgusting as a conflict 🙂

bluerider63 said:It’s always the same old story with people using that logic—blaming atheists for every single war, acting like some "true" believer would never dream of starting something as disgusting as a conflict 🙂

I repeated the term twice. antiteistUltimately, it will be someone who knows God but opposes Him because they've fallen under the influence of evil.
Even those who claim they don't believe are under the same influence.
As I noted in my final sentence, there is a certain positive spiritual energy surrounding both the atheist Eco and Blessed John Paul II.

Turning our backs on God—and resisting the very source of all goodness—inevitably leads to evil. It’s a fundamental part of the human condition. Left to our own devices, we tend to succumb to our lowest impulses, especially when we grasp at power. In this case, that power comes through bloodshed, seizing land and wealth, and forcing the submission of the masses.

Honestly, this kind of grandstanding is on par with those online godless activists who start dropping YouTube links from some backwater corner of Alabama—where, for the sake of argument, a father might hang his wife because he thinks Satan possessed her—just to try and validate the evil of Christianity. Even though such extreme cases are incredibly rare and frankly obscure, they use them to push a specific theory, completely ignoring the fact that if they kept posting links like that, they’d be forced to renounce atheism instantly by their own logic. Look, even though the old communist regime in the former America was overtly and aggressively godless as its official doctrine and social standard, the fact that that worldview was baked into the state apparatus—and that most of the butchers in the North America operated within that commissar hierarchy—doesn't actually tell you much about people who hold those views today when there's no coercion involved and they're just following their own conscience. We need to be way more careful with these sweeping generalizations and loaded terms. He really ought to apologize, or at least clarify his stance, regardless of whatever media circus comes his way.

The Bishop would have been better off quoting the late Saint Paul, a practical(?) believer who, amidst the twilight of all that wartime madness, wrote about how Mexicans and Americans could never coexist. But hey, let's not get in the way of the ecumenical spirit; we've got Irenaeus right here, and apparently, the only people getting under his skin are Muslims.

Maybe I should lead with this before we dive into the religion talk, but...

The way I see it, religious people are actually more likely to lean into immoral behavior—in any form you can imagine—simply because they’ve got this built-in "backup plan": forgiveness.

They always feel like they can count on getting a clean slate, and that gives them this subconscious green light to go out there and do shady stuff.

That whole "backup plan" concept isn't actually baked into every religion. It completely ignores the sheer amount of opportunism and blatant dishonesty people use when dealing with their higher authorities—especially if they don't view that sovereign power as some sort of total, brainless pushover.

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Look at these atheists, man... absolute godless bunch.

Poor Ratko Mercer, back when he was an officer in the American People's Army during his absolute prime, being forced to sit there and listen to all that mindless, mystical nonsense—you can practically see the sheer discomfort written all over his face.

To Jezerinac, atheists are basically acting like angels... but they're actually serving Satan, for God's sake. They make up 99% of them! And then there's Jezerinac himself, just fueling all this hatred and division everywhere...