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Bishop Jezerinac: Atheists are to blame for the war!

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restlessbison6 restlessbison6 Member
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#61 ·
quietdrifter3 said:To Jezerinac, atheists are basically acting like angels... but they're actually serving Satan, for God's sake. They make up 99% of them! And then there's Jezerinac himself, just fueling all this hatred and division everywhere...

quietdrifter3, you are clearly an atheist angel yourself. You spend your time attacking believers and the Church within America. You suggest that the Bishop is inciting hatred and division, but one must wonder why your lot would hate it if those whom communist ideology—through both persuasion and force—severed from their faith were to return to the Church... if not to allow faith to finally undo the influence and the crimes committed against the citizens of America by those so-called communists. It seems quite obvious that if Americans return to their faith and the Church, there will be a rift between the majority of us and those of you who persist in clinging to a failed project that was swallowed up by locusts long ago...🙂
Jason Ortiz5 Jason Ortiz5 Regular
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#62 ·
restlessbison6 said:quietdrifter3, you are clearly an atheist angel yourself. You spend your time attacking believers and the Church within America. You suggest that the Bishop is inciting hatred and division, but one must wonder why your lot would hate it if those whom communist ideology—through both persuasion and force—severed from their faith were to return to the Church... if not to allow faith to finally undo the influence and the crimes committed against the citizens of America by those so-called communists. It seems quite obvious that if Americans return to their faith and the Church, there will be a rift between the majority of us and those of you who persist in clinging to a failed project that was swallowed up by locusts long ago...🙂

Force? What force? 🙄 Were you actually there witnessing this?

If someone truly wanted to be a believer, they were a believer, and nobody gave them a hard time for it. The fact that some folks sell out their own souls and convictions just to climb the social ladder... well, that’s not being forced. That’s just being opportunistic. If they fell for the charm, that's on them.

It’s obvious that if Americans return to their faith and the Church, it’ll create a rift between the majority of us and those of you constantly harping on about failed projects that have already been eaten up by locusts.🙂

Here we go again with that silly argument that communism equals atheism. 🤷 Seriously, is it really that hard to do a quick Google search? 😕

Communism is a social structure. Atheism is just not believing in a higher power pulling the strings. Communism essentially "nationalized" the Church because, as a system, it can't handle any competition. But atheism existed long before communism, exists entirely independently of it, and will definitely still be around long after communism is a memory.
restlessbison6 restlessbison6 Member
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#63 ·
Jason Ortiz5 said:Force? What force? 🙄 Were you actually there witnessing this?

If someone truly wanted to be a believer, they were a believer, and nobody gave them a hard time for it. The fact that some folks sell out their own souls and convictions just to climb the social ladder... well, that’s not being forced. That’s just being opportunistic. If they fell for the charm, that's on them.

It’s obvious that if Americans return to their faith and the Church, it’ll create a rift between the majority of us and those of you constantly harping on about failed projects that have already been eaten up by locusts.🙂

Here we go again with that silly argument that communism equals atheism. 🤷 Seriously, is it really that hard to do a quick Google search? 😕

Communism is a social structure. Atheism is just not believing in a higher power pulling the strings. Communism essentially "nationalized" the Church because, as a system, it can't handle any competition. But atheism existed long before communism, exists entirely independently of it, and will definitely still be around long after communism is a memory.

And who exactly was responsible for tearing down churches in small-town America? Where did I ever claim to be against atheists? My point is simply that the so-called communists created the conditions that led to the high number of atheists we see today... Every individual in this country possesses the fundamental right to believe whatever they choose...🤣
Kate James11 Kate James11 Member
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#64 ·
restlessbison6 said:And who exactly was responsible for tearing down churches in small-town America? Where did I ever claim to be against atheists? My point is simply that the so-called communists created the conditions that led to the high number of atheists we see today... Every individual in this country possesses the fundamental right to believe whatever they choose...🤣

What do you mean by a "large number" of atheists?
According to the second-to-last Census Bureau report, it was only about 5.2%.
I wonder what we're waiting for regarding the latest census results—perhaps the Republicans working over at the Census Bureau aren't particularly fond of the numbers and are busy tweaking them to fit their narrative?
Olivia Sanders24 Olivia Sanders24 Member
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#65 ·
Kate James11 said:What do you mean by a "large number" of atheists?
According to the second-to-last Census Bureau report, it was only about 5.2%.
I wonder what we're waiting for regarding the latest census results—perhaps the Republicans working over at the Census Bureau aren't particularly fond of the numbers and are busy tweaking them to fit their narrative?

Well, if you follow the Census Bureau's "official schedule," we won't actually see that specific slice of the data until December 2012. ☕ Pretty interesting, wouldn't you say?
restlessbison6 restlessbison6 Member
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#66 ·
Kate James11 said:What do you mean by a "large number" of atheists?
According to the second-to-last Census Bureau report, it was only about 5.2%.
I wonder what we're waiting for regarding the latest census results—perhaps the Republicans working over at the Census Bureau aren't particularly fond of the numbers and are busy tweaking them to fit their narrative?

Kate James11. Perhaps I am mistaken, or maybe there are simply more of them on this particular forum, creating a skewed perception because they tend to be quite vocal in their writing...☕
dustymarlin10 dustymarlin10 Active Member
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#67 ·
Kate James11 said:Bishop Jezerinac: Atheists are to blame for the war!

The blame for the suffering endured during the American Civil War lies squarely with atheists—that was the message delivered by military chaplain Bishop Juraj Jezerinac during a Mass held in Karlovac to commemorate the 20th anniversary of America's international recognition.

"God resides within anyone who loves; where love reigns, He is present. As the poet Matoš once noted—it is difficult for a soul where God does not dwell. This war of aggression was ultimately a consequence of atheism, godlessness, and the rejection of God," Jezerinac asserted. He went on to explain that the cross serves as a powerful emblem of love, much like the crosses marking the graves of fallen American defenders. Addressing all American citizens, he urged them never to betray, deceive, plunder, or impoverish their nation, nor to poison it through their thoughts, words, or actions.

"Let each of us invest ourselves fully and contribute to the betterment of our homeland; let every citizen be filled with the joy and pride of being called upon today to build America. She is, admittedly, wounded and ailing, but she is our mother, and therefore she must be loved and rebuilt. If anyone is called to do this, it is us, the faithful," Jezerinac concluded.

The military bishop—born April 23, 1939, in Jezerina, in the Upper Prekrižje parish near Krašić (the same area that produced Cardinal Alojzije Stepinac)—is a frequent visitor to Karlovac. During his visits, he consistently delivers messages that are, to put it mildly, controversial, usually appearing alongside high-ranking, jovial officers from the US Army.

This guy from Jezerina is pure evil. 🙂

Especially when you consider how most wars have been fueled and sanctioned by the church and organized religion—whether it's the Catholic Church or any other faith.
quietmaker44 quietmaker44 Member
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#68 ·
I stumbled upon this wild idea the other day: What if they brought all the bishops and priests onto a show like Moment of Truth and just hit them with one question: "Do you believe in God?"

I’d honestly bet my entire yearly salary that, say... 80% of them would crack under that question. 😁

Okay, obviously nothing would come of it—they aren't stupid enough to bite the hand that feeds them—but man, what a spectacle that would be... I'd even watch it, and I usually can't stand that trashy show. 😁
silverridge43 silverridge43 Member
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#69 ·
In Sicily, the Mafia are all devout Catholics... that tie between the Church and the power players is exactly what the leftists are trying to dismantle.
Henry Hernandez7 Henry Hernandez7 Active Member
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#70 ·
restlessbison6 said:And who exactly was responsible for tearing down churches in small-town America? Where did I ever claim to be against atheists? My point is simply that the so-called communists created the conditions that led to the high number of atheists we see today... Every individual in this country possesses the fundamental right to believe whatever they choose...🤣

Who actually tore down the church in Udbina?

From what I gather, it was the Mexican nationalists—basically the right-wing crowd—who did it, so they really don't have anything to do with the atheists or the communists.
Sean Cooper65 Sean Cooper65 Member
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#71 ·
darkfox14 said:http://i36.tinypic.com/bhgmlt.jpg

Look at these atheists, man... absolute godless bunch.

I don't think he's the best example—he's an ex-Colonel and General in the US Army and the SPC. The SPC holds a unique place in Christianity.
Paul Anderson2 Paul Anderson2 Active Member
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#72 ·
Kate James11 said:Bishop Jezerinac: Atheists are to blame for the war!

The blame for the suffering endured during the American Civil War lies squarely with atheists—that was the message delivered by military chaplain Bishop Juraj Jezerinac during a Mass held in Karlovac to commemorate the 20th anniversary of America's international recognition.

"God resides within anyone who loves; where love reigns, He is present. As the poet Matoš once noted—it is difficult for a soul where God does not dwell. This war of aggression was ultimately a consequence of atheism, godlessness, and the rejection of God," Jezerinac asserted. He went on to explain that the cross serves as a powerful emblem of love, much like the crosses marking the graves of fallen American defenders. Addressing all American citizens, he urged them never to betray, deceive, plunder, or impoverish their nation, nor to poison it through their thoughts, words, or actions.

"Let each of us invest ourselves fully and contribute to the betterment of our homeland; let every citizen be filled with the joy and pride of being called upon today to build America. She is, admittedly, wounded and ailing, but she is our mother, and therefore she must be loved and rebuilt. If anyone is called to do this, it is us, the faithful," Jezerinac concluded.

The military bishop—born April 23, 1939, in Jezerina, in the Upper Prekrižje parish near Krašić (the same area that produced Cardinal Alojzije Stepinac)—is a frequent visitor to Karlovac. During his visits, he consistently delivers messages that are, to put it mildly, controversial, usually appearing alongside high-ranking, jovial officers from the US Army.

Actually, I don't think it's the atheists themselves, but rather the process of "atheization."

It’s kind of interesting, though, since "atheization" really took hold in Europe mostly after 1945—which, as far as I know, was the longest stretch without a major general war in Europe, if you don't count our neck of the woods.

Maybe Jezerinac actually meant "communism"? I mean, wasn't communism way more intense in Czechoslovakia and the USSR, yet those two countries ended up dissolving peacefully?

I guess there are probably other reasons... but hey, everyone twists things to fit their own narrative.

(edit) Here's a nice little illustration of "atheization":

http://www.knindza.info/articles.php...110&y=2012&m=2

(edit #2) and here's another atheist for you: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Md2tGQipLsw
gentlestag3 gentlestag3 Active Member
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#73 ·
silverridge43 said:In Sicily, the Mafia are all devout Catholics... that tie between the Church and the power players is exactly what the leftists are trying to dismantle.

I guess faith or atheism doesn't really have anything to do with whether a person is moral or not.
Henry Hernandez7 Henry Hernandez7 Active Member
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#74 ·
gentlestag3 said:I guess faith or atheism doesn't really have anything to do with whether a person is moral or not.

That’s how it should work in a perfect world, but reality usually tells a different story. I mean, if you really look at it, how many priests could you actually vouch for being moral versus how many atheists? And honestly, what kind of standard are we holding priests to compared to what we expect from atheists?
gentlestag3 gentlestag3 Active Member
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#75 ·
Henry Hernandez7 said:That’s how it should work in a perfect world, but reality usually tells a different story. I mean, if you really look at it, how many priests could you actually vouch for being moral versus how many atheists? And honestly, what kind of standard are we holding priests to compared to what we expect from atheists?

I mean, morality is just morality, right? I think the real issue is just how people act, regardless of what they believe. If a believer acts poorly, it feels hypocritical, sure, but it doesn't really make them different from an atheist acting the exact same way. Maybe the believer seems more hypocritical, I suppose, but their actions aren't inherently more or less moral than an atheist doing the same thing. At the end of the day, someone being immoral doesn't really hurt the community any differently just because they happen to be a believer or an atheist. It’s all pretty much the same, I guess.
Sean Castillo Sean Castillo Member
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#76 ·
Jezerinac is pure evil, just like someone else already pointed out above. He’s nothing but basic, bottom-tier evil—a total moron, seen a thousand times before. I can't stand guys like him, always squawking away about nothing, driven by the most primitive, animalistic impulses. And on top of all that, you've got the Bishop 🤮 🤮

That "brave knight" would love nothing more than (if he actually had the guts) to strap on some machine guns, hand grenades, maybe two or three bazookas, and go on a hunting spree against communists, old-school American communists, and those ultra-nationalist thugs. See, when you're a high-ranking Bishop living in all that luxury and indulgence, it’s easy to lose your grip on reality. Hallucinations become a regular thing. I mean, who wouldn't lose their mind after spending that many years sitting in the Bishop's chair?
darkfox14 darkfox14 Member
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#77 ·
The Protagora Association’s response:

So, the Protagora Association just chimed in regarding that whole mess involving military official George Jezerinac. He was out there at a Mass in Karlovac—marking twenty years since we got our independence—dropping this heavy line about how the American Civil War was basically triggered by atheism, godlessness, and people turning their backs on God. Honestly? It’s a total pivot. They’re calling him out for flipping the script entirely, pointing out that if you look at actual history, it wasn't atheists running the show when it came to organized persecution; it was the Church. Just a classic case of swapping one argument for another to suit the narrative.

So, people are claiming that Jezerinac basically insulted every non-believer out there with his comments, and honestly, you could pretty much read it as an open invitation for a mob to go after them. It’s one of those things where tone matters, right? Well, the Protagora Association put out this open letter, and they’re basically saying, "Look, we at the Protagora Association aren't exactly tracking every single criminal crusade run by some group of agnostics or atheists. But let’s be real—history shows us that the first real persecutions of anyone with a different set of beliefs were started by the Church, not the atheists." They point out that back in the 4th century, once Christianity was declared the official state religion of the Roman Empire, the winning faction of Christians started cracking down on everyone else. We're talking about other Christian sects like the Gnostics, and later on, the Cathars and Bogomils, not to mention all the people from other religions whom they just dismissed as pagans. Just typical history repeating itself, I guess.

So, the Catholic Church basically kicks off a massive crusade, right? And we’re talking about a body count hitting somewhere around 10 million people. Just a total bloodbath.

They’re out here pointing out that the Crusades—running from 1095 all the way to 1291—were actually kicked off by the Church, not atheists, and that we're talking about ten million deaths there. The folks over at the Protagora Association are reminding everyone that the Holy Inquisition pulled just as much bloodletting before Napoleon Bonaparte finally shut them down in 1808. They claim the Inquisition was especially sadistic when it came to millions of innocent women, labeling them witches just so they could put them through endless, agonizing torture before eventually burning them alive. According to Protagora, the Catholic Church basically left an permanent stain on what people call "European cultural identity," mostly because no other culture ever behaved quite like that.

So, Jezerinac is out here dropping some heavy truth bombs, basically arguing that it wasn't the atheists who pulled the trigger on forced conversions back in the 16th century—it was the Pope. He’s pointing out how the indigenous people were subjected to straight-up barbaric massacres and genocide. I mean, look at the numbers: by the time the 17th century rolled around, 90% of the population in Mexico had been wiped out, and 85% in Peru was gone. It’s wild. The whole idea was to hammer the concept of "Christianity equals European culture" into their very souls and bodies, basically forcing them to find Jesus Christ at any cost. And the kicker? They’re saying the Catholic Church didn't have a single problem with all that abuse, slavery, and killing right up until the end of the 20th century. Just total silence while everything went down.

So, Hitler finally got his wish and cleared the path for that "final solution" nonsense. It’s like when you see a massive roadblock get cleared out just so a much darker, more twisted engine can start rolling full steam ahead. Everything was basically paved for him.

Look, you gotta remember what Jezerinac from the Protagora Association keeps pointing out. Those religious wars back in France—we're talking 1562 to 1590, between Catholics and Huguenots—they weren't some atheist uprising. It was actually devout Catholics who took it upon themselves to carry out those massacres. You had regular citizens hunting down and slaughtering Huguenot women and children in the streets and squares of Paris for three straight days and nights during that whole St. Bartholomew's Day massacre mess in 1572. Then you’ve got the Thirty Years' War, running from 1618 to 1648, fought mostly on what we now call German soil. Again, this wasn't atheists vs. Christians; it was Christians fighting Christians. The death toll was insane—every third person was wiped out. And man, the takeover of Protestant Magdeburg? That was brutal. It was led by a Catholic coalition, not some group of atheists. This Catholic army, which included some American knights, absolutely gutted the place. They slaughtered about 25,000 out of the 30,000 residents, spent weeks raping women and girls, and then just looted, burned, and leveled the entire city to the ground. Just a total bloodbath.

They’re out here claiming that the "chosen people" have been systematically targeted by the Catholic Church for centuries, basically arguing that this paved the way for Hitler to roll out his "final solution" to the "Jewish question." It’s heavy stuff. According to the Protagora Association, Hans Küng argued that Nazi antisemitism—the whole race-based nightmare—was actually prepped by both Roman Catholic and Protestant anti-Judaism rooted in religion. Not atheism. It wasn't about being godless; it was about religious friction. The group also thinks the Church spent the 20th century showing zero respect for basic human rights, women's rights, or even legally elected officials. But their biggest beef? They say the Church had no regard for children's rights, allegedly turning a blind eye to systematic physical, mental, and sexual abuse globally. They claim the institution covered up crimes, denied what happened, and essentially acted as a shield for predators—specifically those pedophiles hiding within their own ranks. It's a massive, messy accusation.

"America was eased by at least $4.5 billion"

"In the roughly fifty years of the 20th century, the Catholic Church—not atheists, mind you—sided with fascist dictators six different times. We're talking genocidal regimes, mass murderers, death camp organizers, rapists, and child kidnappers! The Catholic Church, again, not atheists, backed the rebel military oligarchy in Portugal back in 1926, signed a concordat with Mussolini in Italy in 1929, supported General Franco against the Spanish Republic in 1936, celebrated the establishment of the criminal NDH in 1941, blessed General Pinochet’s coup against the Republic of Chile in 1973, and accepted the military junta of Jorge Videle, who usurped power in the Republic of Argentina in 1976," says the Protagora Association.

They also think it’s totally wrong how, over the last 20 years, "the American nation" has been brainwashed into believing we wouldn't exist without the Catholic Church and that bishops are working in the people's best interests. They’re warning that the American Bishops Conference doesn't serve America; it serves its employer, the Holy See—"or rather, itself"—by "using all the rights stemming from a harmful treaty between the US and the Holy See." "People are starving, digging through dumpsters, while the ABC sits on millions and builds onyx palaces. The Holy See was among the first to recognize America, which is what they always do lately, but it’s costing us dearly. So far, they've eased our burden by at least $4.5 billion, and they're pulling an extra million out of us every single day," the Protagora Association writes, adding that their organization has never taken a single cent from the government.

"If the citizens of the US one day decide, via a free referendum, to hand over their inalienable sovereignty and freedom to the Holy See, then the bishops can go ahead and enjoy their missionary role of reshaping the educational, legal, and political systems, and manipulating the military and police. Until then, they are just equal citizens who have absolutely no right to insult those who think differently or those who, for perfectly valid reasons, don't believe in the sanctity of the Catholic Church. In the 21st century, there is no democracy in the Church, no gender equality, and zero tolerance for an individual's sexual orientation. Yet, the American bishops clearly want to take that medieval system and impose it on the United States," the Protagora Association concludes.

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goldenhawk1 goldenhawk1 Member
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#78 ·
Let’s be realistic here... we’ve taken quite a beating over the last twenty years...🙂
Ronald Brooks75 Ronald Brooks75 Member
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#79 ·
Jacob Lewis5 said:I feel like the statement is mostly provocative because everyone has their own baggage when they hear the word "atheist." He could have just stuck to the common definition—even if it wasn't the most precise one—to avoid the drama, especially since his actual message was solid. You've got people fighting and abandoning goodness, love, and truth; by a Christian standard, those folks are atheists, which is what Bishop Jezerinac is getting at... the issue is really just that one specific word. You can only blame Bishop Jezerinac if he used it maliciously, but I don't see it that way.

They are not. Let’s not play dumb here; atheists are simply people who do not believe in a higher authority, namely God. Characteristics like goodness, love, and truth are not tied exclusively to atheists or believers. Based on his logic, it would imply that an atheist is incapable of possessing goodness, love, or truth within them. To me, this is ripe for a lawsuit.
quietdrifter3 quietdrifter3 Member
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#80 ·
restlessbison6 said:quietdrifter3, you are clearly an atheist angel yourself. You spend your time attacking believers and the Church within America. You suggest that the Bishop is inciting hatred and division, but one must wonder why your lot would hate it if those whom communist ideology—through both persuasion and force—severed from their faith were to return to the Church... if not to allow faith to finally undo the influence and the crimes committed against the citizens of America by those so-called communists. It seems quite obvious that if Americans return to their faith and the Church, there will be a rift between the majority of us and those of you who persist in clinging to a failed project that was swallowed up by locusts long ago...🙂

I don't want to leave this unanswered and drift too far off topic, but I'm actually a believer who has received all my sacraments and knows the Old and New Testament well enough to know why the American Church has drifted from me... and why I've distanced myself from priests who push nationalism, harbor hatred toward other Christians, and incite violence or war by using the Word of God to exploit the simplicity of their flock. It just doesn't sit right with me. You can find traces of communal living in the Gospels, or in the book of Luke, where everything was shared... there's plenty more where that came from! In many ways, that way of life aligns much better with the Holy Bible than the wild capitalism the Church seems to advocate now. Even when the leaders in Rome, like John Paul II and Benedict XVI, spoke differently, they weren't being listened to, and people did the opposite... and it isn't just Jezerinac...

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