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Gold: Past, Present, and Future

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neondriver5 neondriver5 Active Member
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joined May 2017
#541 ·
Melissa Sanchez17 said:If you're so sure, why'd you buy into metals in the first place?

I'm hedging my position. In certain scenarios, there was a real possibility of controlled bankruptcies where every currency just collapses, leaving precious metals and energy as the only safe havens. It looks like we aren't quite hitting that breaking point yet, though.

The second reason—though it’s more of a conviction than a reason—is simply that I got in early enough to turn a profit. There are plenty of people left to inflate this bubble after me.
I am in gold purely for speculative reasons.

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Looking at the charts, the bubble is actually in the paper counterfeits, not the metals themselves. As for claiming the market isn't manipulated? Don't make me laugh. The very concept of "paper" gold and silver exists because the system was designed for manipulation. (Just look into the Rockefeller family; they learned how heavy-handed manipulation can be firsthand.) We are approaching the end of that era now—could be a year, could be two—and seeing how things are looking, the bull run is winding down. Life goes on. To think otherwise is naive. Once you realize that fiat currencies are essentially doomed, you might start viewing these gold and silver fluctuations through our eyes—the "doomsday prepper" perspective.

Right, so the last ten years of growth weren't manipulated then... interesting.
Anthony Evans78 Anthony Evans78 Regular
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#542 ·
I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again: you can’t fit physical gold inside a bubble.
Since the days of fiat currency, they've pushed prices up as much as humanly possible through constant manipulation.
If we actually had a pure, untainted market setting the price, gold would probably be sitting somewhere with four or five zeros after the first digit.
Paul Peterson4 Paul Peterson4 Member
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joined May 2012
#543 ·
@Anthony Evans78, you think it’s smarter to stack physical gold, silver, or just a little bit of both? Personally, I’m leaning toward silver having way more upside potential—mostly for two reasons here:
1. its utility in tech and medicine is massive, so it's actually useful beyond just sitting in a vault
2. supply is tight as hell, and at this rate, we could be looking at a serious shortage in maybe 10 or 20 years.
Anthony Evans78 Anthony Evans78 Regular
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joined Feb 2019
#544 ·
Silver is a much better play, and you hit the nail on the head regarding why it's worth holding 🙂
Don't get me wrong, there's no harm in keeping some gold on hand too 🙂
hollowmoose21 hollowmoose21 Active Member
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#545 ·
Anthony Evans78 said:I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again: you can’t fit physical gold inside a bubble.
Since the days of fiat currency, they've pushed prices up as much as humanly possible through constant manipulation.
If we actually had a pure, untainted market setting the price, gold would probably be sitting somewhere with four or five zeros after the first digit.

Alright, fine...
Instead of just playing mathematician with all those zeros, it’d be way more useful to look at ratios. For example, how many kilos of gold does it take to buy wheat, oil, gas, real estate, or the Dow? Look at how those ratios have shifted over the years and stack them up against where we are today.
dustyheron5 dustyheron5 Regular
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#546 ·
hollowmoose21 said:Alright, fine...
Instead of just playing mathematician with all those zeros, it’d be way more useful to look at ratios. For example, how many kilos of gold does it take to buy wheat, oil, gas, real estate, or the Dow? Look at how those ratios have shifted over the years and stack them up against where we are today.

He’s probably better off not watching... especially over the next couple of years...🤣

But did anyone else catch that semi-truck full of cartridges arriving under heavy escort at the Federal Reserve?
hollowmoose21 hollowmoose21 Active Member
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#547 ·
So you think everyone's gonna lose their minds and start panicking, huh? Is that your big plan? 😁
dustyheron5 dustyheron5 Regular
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#548 ·
hollowmoose21 said:So you think everyone's gonna lose their minds and start panicking, huh? Is that your big plan? 😁

Between that and an extended bank holiday...😉
Anything could happen at this point.
Melissa Sanchez17 Melissa Sanchez17 RegularOP
359 messages
joined Feb 2019
#549 ·
dustyheron5 said:He’s probably better off not watching... especially over the next couple of years...🤣

But did anyone else catch that semi-truck full of cartridges arriving under heavy escort at the Federal Reserve?

I was watching the news last night and just sat there thinking, "really? right now?" Coincidence? I don't recall the Federal Reserve ever running "drills" like that.
silentviper27 silentviper27 Newcomer
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#550 ·
crimsonranger38 said:Give me a break! 😍

Gold just took another 2% dive today. 😍

Do you actually see the context this correction is happening in? 😍

Every time I check this thread, I feel like I've stumbled straight into a cult. 😍


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NSaYp...eature=related

😉
ironstag8 ironstag8 Active Member
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joined Apr 2019
#551 ·
hollowmoose21 said:Alright, fine...
Instead of just playing mathematician with all those zeros, it’d be way more useful to look at ratios. For example, how many kilos of gold does it take to buy wheat, oil, gas, real estate, or the Dow? Look at how those ratios have shifted over the years and stack them up against where we are today.

If we take a historical perspective, silver is massively undervalued across the board—first when compared to gold, and subsequently when measured against almost everything else.
I’ll give you a quick glimpse into Ancient Rome, though history is practically overflowing with similar examples.
A Roman legionary’s annual salary was roughly 225 denarii (with one denarius being about 1/10th of an ounce of silver). Considering it was a demanding profession—much like a modern blue-collar laborer or someone working construction 😬—that annual pay translates to about $675 in today's dollars (assuming a spot price of $30 per ounce). Now, if you honestly believe a soldier's yearly salary should only be $675, then fine—you can go ahead and claim that our current valuation of silver (and gold) based on fiat paper is perfectly realistic.
On top of that, once a legionary retired, he would receive either 3,000 denarii or a decent plot of arable land, which was highly prized back then. That 3,000 denarii figure works out to roughly $9,000 in today's silver value. So, if a retirement package after 20 years of service is worth $9,000—or if that amount represents the value of prime real estate—then something in our current math is clearly broken.
This offers a bit of a rebuttal to those critics who claim there isn't enough silver or gold available for monetary use. Sure, if you look at it through a lens where gold is $1,600 and silver is $30, it looks insufficient. But if you account for the true intrinsic value these metals have maintained throughout history, the supply is more than adequate.
Anthony Evans78 Anthony Evans78 Regular
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#552 ·
Spot on, ironstag8.
That's exactly my point—price and value are two completely different things.
But I guess it's too much to ask for people to actually tell them apart, isn't it?🙂
Melissa Sanchez17 Melissa Sanchez17 RegularOP
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joined Feb 2019
#553 ·
Two different calls 😍

http://www.silverdoctors.com/turds-bottom/ $1525 bottom
http://www.munknee.com/2012/05/gold-...-move-to-3950/ $1450 bottom

It could easily tank down to $1400. Either way, we'll just have to wait and see how it plays out.

Random side note: hey dustyheron5, where are you guys getting the info that what happened yesterday wasn't just some Fed drill, but they actually printed more USD?
dustyheron5 dustyheron5 Regular
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joined Nov 2015
#554 ·
Well, now...
Walter Barrett8 Walter Barrett8 Member
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joined May 2012
#555 ·
Melissa Sanchez17 said:Two different calls 😍

http://www.silverdoctors.com/turds-bottom/ $1525 bottom
http://www.munknee.com/2012/05/gold-...-move-to-3950/ $1450 bottom

It could easily tank down to $1400. Either way, we'll just have to wait and see how it plays out.

Random side note: hey dustyheron5, where are you guys getting the info that what happened yesterday wasn't just some Fed drill, but they actually printed more USD?

Which specific episode of The New York Times was I missing during the 6:30 PM broadcast on NBC last night?
Melissa Sanchez17 Melissa Sanchez17 RegularOP
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joined Feb 2019
#556 ·
Walter Barrett8 said:Which specific episode of The New York Times was I missing during the 6:30 PM broadcast on NBC last night?

I'm pretty sure it was the local news over on FOX.
quiettrucker12 quiettrucker12 Regular
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joined Sep 2004
#557 ·
Gold shorts have dropped even further since last Friday. Mining stocks like Newmont are up 15% in just seven trading days. A short-term dip toward the $1,490-$1,500 range is still technically possible... but honestly, it’s looking less likely and less relevant by the minute, especially with how the miners are performing.
Melissa Sanchez17 Melissa Sanchez17 RegularOP
359 messages
joined Feb 2019
#558 ·
hollowmoose21 said:So you think everyone's gonna lose their minds and start panicking, huh? Is that your big plan? 😁

And just look at what these people are actually banking on... 😍

http://100thmonkeyfilms.com/endoftheroad/

We'll just sit tight and wait for someone to pirate it. I have zero intention of paying some guy to tell me the global financial system is about to go belly up. 😍
quiettrucker12 quiettrucker12 Regular
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joined Sep 2004
#559 ·
Short positions on the USD have spiked significantly this week, which tells me the DXY is staring down its peak.

For anyone who missed the unprecedented surge in the Dollar (or the steady slide of the EUR):

http://stockcharts.com/h-sc/ui?s=$USD&p=D&b=5&g=0&id=p19975521704

If we see a reversal, gold is going to absolutely take off—nothing goes up forever, not even the Dollar. Theoretically, the greenback could keep climbing until the 13th, the 17th, or whenever, but realistically? This should wrap up by next week.
brightviper48 brightviper48 Member
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#560 ·
Anthony Evans78 said:I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again: you can’t fit physical gold inside a bubble.
Since the days of fiat currency, they've pushed prices up as much as humanly possible through constant manipulation.
If we actually had a pure, untainted market setting the price, gold would probably be sitting somewhere with four or five zeros after the first digit.

Does that imply physical real estate can't be part of a bubble either... or perhaps even physical Lukovica tulip bulbs?

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