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wanderinggardener12 wanderinggardener12 Active Member
71 messages
joined Jun 2012
#461 ·
Is there anything more exhausting than watching people pretend to be surprised by the obvious? It seems we’re constantly circling the same drain, expecting different results while ignoring the very patterns that lead us right back to where we started. Does anyone else feel like we're just performing a tired ritual of indignation? kaže:
I honestly can't quite wrap my head around it anymore... You get this overwhelming impression that every single high school graduate, without exception, is essentially part of some mindless, roving caravan of chaos. It’s as if they’re all possessed by this frantic, senseless energy where their only goal is to get wasted, smoke themselves silly, smash things, and eventually wind up in a jail cell or an ER waiting room. Is that really what we've become? 🤷 I’ve lost count of how many times I’ve heard stories about students breezing through their high school graduation exams like it was nothing more than a formality. Of course, you always hear the horror stories too—those instances where everything falls apart and turns into a complete disaster—but I’ve never really gotten the impression that those chaotic failures are actually the norm. Is it just my perception, or does it seem like most people manage to navigate the whole ordeal without much drama at all?

For a fleeting second, I actually entertained the idea that you might have had good intentions. But then, of course, you just had to go and point out that the teacher was the one behind it. "za $0.00 It seems we are once again circling back to the concept of honorariums—that nebulous, often frustrating term used to describe compensation that feels anything but honorable. One has to wonder, does anyone actually believe these lump sums reflect the true value of the labor performed, or is it merely a polite way to avoid discussing a real salary? It feels like a shell game where the goalposts are constantly shifting, leaving the professional to wonder if they were fairly compensated or simply pacified with a gesture of goodwill. Is there ever a point where an "honorarium" stops being a courtesy and starts being an insult?. 😉 Would it be any better if we actually compensated teachers for those little trips to McDonald's? Of course, everything eventually boils down to the money... The moment an educator does something "extra" for the kids, people start looking for ways to attach a price tag to it. Is that really how we want this to work? $0.00 "Honorara," they say, and suddenly we’re all expected to start scouting locations for his monument. 🧐

I wonder if anyone actually understands the sheer scale of what people working in the private sector are sacrificing these days just to stay afloat? It makes you stop and think, doesn't it? When you look at the grind—the endless cycles of corporate bureaucracy, the constant pressure to optimize every waking second, and the relentless pursuit of quarterly growth targets—you have to ask: what exactly are they all trading their lives for? Is it just the paycheck, or is there something more profound being surrendered in those fluorescent-lit cubicles from New York to San Francisco? $0.00 Is it a fee or a salary? Honestly, does it even matter at this point? People seem so incredibly relieved just to have a foot in the door of any kind of employment. If they happen to land a role they actually care about—something that provides a sense of purpose and genuine fulfillment—then they shouldn't feel guilty about being vocal about their compensation. Why should they apologize for being proud of what they've earned?

So, let me get this straight: half the class is actually sitting there taking the test while the other half is just... existing? What exactly is the second group doing with their time? Are they just picking at scabs and staring at flies buzzing against the windowpane? 😕 What exactly are we to make of those kids whose parents might actually enjoy an excursion to a museum or a theater, yet their bank accounts tell a much more sobering story? Is there some unspoken rule that every parent must share the exact same enthusiasm, regardless of their financial reality? And honestly, does a meaningful encounter with art really need to be leveraged as a tool for academic grading, forcing students to scrape by just to prove they’ve experienced something beautiful?

Well, that would be a lovely theory, wouldn't it? But we have to face reality: it only works if we assume half of parents aren't too busy indulging their own impulses to actually raise a child, and more importantly, if they weren't constantly terrified that any attempt at standing their ground would just result in the fallout landing squarely on the kid's shoulders. 😉

Almost every high school graduation trip carries a certain level of inherent risk for the kids involved. Now, that doesn’t imply that every single student is a walking liability—that they’re all showing up with drugs, or booze smuggled from home, or some wild intention to pick fights with the locals and trash hotel rooms. It certainly doesn't mean they're all arriving at their elementary school graduation equipped with condoms just waiting for the right moment to test them out. Most of them don't even dream of such things. But there is always that one specific group, that core circle of classmates, who decides they need to experience absolutely everything at once. And isn't it funny how it only takes one such group to turn an entire trip into a complete disaster?
Try looking after, say, ten kids for three days straight and you might finally begin to grasp why I claim it’s such an impossible weight to carry—the sheer, exhausting pressure of being held responsible for their health, their safety, and their very lives.

I made it quite clear from the start that I don't take my kids to McDonald's, nor do I involve them in any sort of similar activities, let alone... $0.00But then again, there isn't any amount of money in the world that could change my mind on that.
Why on earth would anyone bother taking their kids to a McDonald's in the first place? And more importantly, why would anyone willingly dedicate themselves to any kind of work that doesn't offer a paycheck at the end of the day? I find myself running extra study groups for... $0.00 I’m not exactly asking. Besides, there are plenty of other things I handle on my own. $0.00I don't see much of a drama in all of this, really. I suppose I do what I do because I choose to, not because there's some heavy obligation forcing my hand—and there is a massive distinction between those two things. It’s not like I’m out here hunting for a monument or looking for some grand recognition. But if your child is heading off to an exhibition while I'm expected to be there with mine instead, then surely it's only fair that I am compensated for that time? Isn't it just basic fairness? It would be just as reasonable to expect you to be paid if you were stuck reviewing my child at 7:01 PM when your shift officially ended at 7:00.

The second half of the class spends their time working on tasks that have actually been tailored to the curriculum, following proper teaching methods and instructional design. Meanwhile, those who are preparing for some hypothetical test—something I’ve only ever heard mentioned on this forum but have never personally witnessed or implemented in my own classroom—are the ones receiving grades. And when a student answers a question orally? The rest of the class just sits there, completely disengaged, knowing they won't be getting any credit for listening in at that moment. Is it any wonder why engagement feels like such an uphill battle?
Parents have plenty of ways to make their voices heard—whether it’s through formal PTA meetings, one-on-one sit-downs, or via the Parent Council.
Even when families are struggling financially, even if they don't officially qualify for assistance, there are always avenues for the school district or local social services to cover those costs. I’ve mentioned this before, though apparently, people need to actually read what I write. In my experience working with the local school system, I have never once seen a child miss out on a field trip simply because their parents couldn't afford it.

Look, this isn't about starting a rebellion or playing the sycophant. A parent has every right to express their stance to a representative on the Parent Council, or take it up with the principal, the Department of Education, or even file an anonymous report. Every single complaint triggers a formal review, which often means an inspection team shows up at the school doors.

I honestly don't think that kind of aggressive tone or choice of language was necessary, but then again, the way someone speaks usually says much more about the sender than the recipient.
Jason Ortiz5 Jason Ortiz5 Regular
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joined Mar 2025
#462 ·
So, let me get this straight: every single time someone voices an opinion that doesn't perfectly align with what a teacher says, suddenly it’s "aggressive tone"? Honestly, you just answered your own question right there regarding why parents stay quiet around educators. 🤷

And I find it pretty funny how you compared yourself and your work at $0.00 to being a doctor. It never occurred to you to compare it to anyone in a regular industry? Like, do you really think that cashier at the local CVS would rather be stuck working overtime than spending time with her kid? Or is it somehow her fault because she could have been a teacher or a surgeon if she’d just gone to school...
wanderinggardener12 wanderinggardener12 Active Member
71 messages
joined Jun 2012
#463 ·
Jason Ortiz5 said:So, let me get this straight: every single time someone voices an opinion that doesn't perfectly align with what a teacher says, suddenly it’s "aggressive tone"? Honestly, you just answered your own question right there regarding why parents stay quiet around educators. 🤷

And I find it pretty funny how you compared yourself and your work at $0.00 to being a doctor. It never occurred to you to compare it to anyone in a regular industry? Like, do you really think that cashier at the local CVS would rather be stuck working overtime than spending time with her kid? Or is it somehow her fault because she could have been a teacher or a surgeon if she’d just gone to school...

My comment regarding a "harsh tone" wasn't directed at your little remark about how "a good portion of parents wouldn't have mouths to feed if they didn't have asses to sit on..." Such vulgarities aren't a substitute for a reasoned argument. As I have already stated—though it seems I must repeat myself—any parent has the right to write a letter to the principal, the school board, the PTA, the Department of Education, or even submit one anonymously. An inspector can show up at a school at any moment. So, where is the issue? Unless, of course, you don't know anything beyond external organs or backsides. Will anyone actually answer that? Or should they?

The crux of the matter is that the education sector (much like healthcare) isn't viewed as real. Does that somehow make it unreal?
I am certainly not suggesting that anyone, including those in the so-called "real" sectors, should offer their labor for $0.00, nor am I belittling grocery store clerks.

Everyone should be free to dedicate their work toward $0.00 whenever and to whomever they choose, without coercion; however, in our country, volunteering is practically a foreign concept. If you look at the statistics for America and other nations, we fall far short. But we aren't talking about labor where an employer exploits you and keeps you trapped in a rat race; we are talking about service to the community, something you invest in voluntarily because you believe it is right. Someone here—and it isn't you, nor anyone else on this forum—has completely confused the issue. My desire is to volunteer with sick children in hospitals, with the homeless who have slipped through the cracks of the system, with the abandoned, the displaced... I already do part of this work...

And I would do even more if a full-time job with a decent salary allowed me to avoid working two extra freelance gigs just to literally survive.
Charles Murphy6 Charles Murphy6 Active Member
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joined Dec 2011
#464 ·
Buditedobro: Look, wasting your breath complaining to the school board is just plain ridiculous. They’re nothing more than the principal’s hand-picked puppets—they get chosen by him, don't they?😉
And the parent council?? Please. It's usually just the principal deciding which parents get a seat at the table and who gets pushed onto the school board—it's all rigged, isn't it?😉
The whole concept of a parent council is a total joke; in most schools, you barely see anything happen beyond the first meeting, maybe even a second if you're lucky.
Now, the Department of Education? Sure, a parent can always file an anonymous report. Of course they can.
But let's be real—if you actually work in the education system, you know exactly what kind of bureaucrats sit on those inspection teams, and frankly, they haven't the slightest clue how a real school operates.☕
Unfortunately, I've had my fair share of run-ins with inspectors myself, and I have to say—it's a no. They didn't find any faults in my work, but I was left absolutely stunned by the sheer level of incompetence and their total ignorance regarding actual law...
Jason Ortiz5 Jason Ortiz5 Regular
325 messages
joined Mar 2025
#465 ·
Look, if calling someone out for being a total pushover feels offensive to you, that’s fine. But to me, I’m just calling a spade a spade. When you see this massive group of parents hanging out in the hallways or the locker rooms, loudly complaining and venting about everything under the sun, but then they get a chance to actually speak up in an official meeting and suddenly they’re all nodding along, smiling politely, and acting totally spineless... what do you call that? Is that just a "change of heart" to you? And don't even get me started on how they mock the few brave souls who actually stand their ground and say what they mean. 😛

As for the "real sector," everyone knows what that means. If you aren't sure, just look it up. ☕ It doesn't mean other industries aren't "real"; it’s just the standard way to distinguish between people working in private industry and those on the government payroll.
Larry Howard4 Larry Howard4 Member
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joined Jan 2016
#466 ·
Charles Murphy6 said:Buditedobro: Look, wasting your breath complaining to the school board is just plain ridiculous. They’re nothing more than the principal’s hand-picked puppets—they get chosen by him, don't they?😉
And the parent council?? Please. It's usually just the principal deciding which parents get a seat at the table and who gets pushed onto the school board—it's all rigged, isn't it?😉
The whole concept of a parent council is a total joke; in most schools, you barely see anything happen beyond the first meeting, maybe even a second if you're lucky.
Now, the Department of Education? Sure, a parent can always file an anonymous report. Of course they can.
But let's be real—if you actually work in the education system, you know exactly what kind of bureaucrats sit on those inspection teams, and frankly, they haven't the slightest clue how a real school operates.☕
Unfortunately, I've had my fair share of run-ins with inspectors myself, and I have to say—it's a no. They didn't find any faults in my work, but I was left absolutely stunned by the sheer level of incompetence and their total ignorance regarding actual law...

At my school, the Parent Council actually meets at least twice every semester. At least. And the parents elect their own reps during that first meeting; the principal doesn't just call the shots.
That's how it works in my neck of the woods, anyway.
James Perez54 James Perez54 Active Member
67 messages
joined Oct 2011
#467 ·
Larry Howard4 said:At my school, the Parent Council actually meets at least twice every semester. At least. And the parents elect their own reps during that first meeting; the principal doesn't just call the shots.
That's how it works in my neck of the woods, anyway.

Well, at my school, the board only meets twice in the entire school year.

Usually, someone just volunteers to be the rep (typically a parent who gets along well with the teacher or the homeroom instructor), and the rest of the parents just go along with it at the meeting because it's easier than arguing.

In my school, that board doesn't actually serve any purpose other than to act as a rubber stamp for the principal.
Some of the representatives even admit it themselves.
Brenda Ruiz3 Brenda Ruiz3 Newcomer
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joined Dec 2011
#468 ·
Jason Ortiz5 said:But you really think other professions don't deal with inspections? Honestly, my job involves being audited by several different agencies—regularly, and sometimes out of the blue if someone thinks something's off. Every time an inspection happens, I have to drag half the office into it just to gather enough data to document everything I've been doing. It’s not just me getting "harassed," it’s practically half the company. And honestly? Nobody is actually afraid of an audit, as long as you're doing your job right.

Are you saying you think educators and their work shouldn't be subject to any kind of oversight or check-ups at all?

No, it's not that—it's just that people shouldn't be filing complaints when we follow the rules to the letter. It's the same for your line of work, too. For example, should I report a cashier at Target because they charged me five dollars more than the advertised price of $6.75 instead of the $33 I expected, or if I just felt like paying $27? Should that poor person get in trouble over something like that?

Clearly, some people—wrongly, I might add—operate under the delusion that educators aren't held accountable by anyone. It's such a blissful state of ignorance...

The truth is, I don't need oversight, nor am I afraid of it; I work according to my conscience and the established regulations. What irritates me is when someone demands something they aren't legally entitled to, and then proceeds to lash out and smear the entire education system because they didn't get their way.

Let's be realistic here—a grade isn't some private property that can just be handed out or gifted whenever someone feels like it. Or should we start debating specific proficiency levels next?
Charles Murphy6 Charles Murphy6 Active Member
118 messages
joined Dec 2011
#469 ·
Laplace said:Clearly, some people (wrongly) assume that educators are operating without any oversight whatsoever. Bless their ignorant little hearts...

The truth is, I don't need supervision and I certainly don't fear it, because I operate based on my own conscience and the established rules, but it absolutely infuriates me when someone demands something they aren't legally entitled to, only to throw a tantrum and spit on the entire education system when they don't get it.

Let’s be realistic here: a grade isn't some piece of property that anyone can just hand out or gift whenever they feel like it. Or should we start debating specific knowledge levels next?

I find one general phenomenon fascinating across all our middle schools—specifically grades 5 through 8.
Why is it that certain teachers always seem to have students stuck in summer school while others just follow their own whims—and honestly, I wouldn't dream of coming in over that—it really is true.
And it always ends up like this... why??
It’s already common knowledge that there are teachers who hold remedial exams just so they can avoid the hassle of dealing with kids, handing out a failing grade just to get them out of the building as quickly as possible. To me, that is completely unacceptable.
When it comes to grading, there are numerous factors to consider, including the social circumstances a child is living in.
I want to know how often you actually keep side notes to back up every single grade you issue??
And I want to know how many of you actually follow the grading policy and have a copy of it posted right there in your classroom??
shadowangler5 shadowangler5 Newcomer
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joined May 2008
#470 ·
Jason Ortiz5 said:Honestly, I really don't know... It feels like people here act like every single high school senior is part of some mindless zombie horde, where all they care about is getting wasted, smoking, breaking things, and ending up in a jail cell or the ER. 🤷 I’ve heard so many stories about graduation trips that go perfectly fine without any drama at all... Sure, I’ve heard about the ones where everything goes south, but I’ve never gotten the impression that's the rule.

Fast food places like McDonald's—that shouldn't be the move. It could be an exception, but it should be optional. Personally, I would never take kids to unhealthy fast food spots. But if a teacher wants to (for $0.00 a little extra cash) take the class somewhere they actually choose, and if the parents are on board, I think that's great.

For a second there, I actually thought you were being well-meaning. But then, of course, you had to mention that the teacher is doing it "for $0.00 a bit of extra cash". 😉 Should we be paying teachers more just to take kids to McDonald's? Of course not. It always comes back to money... As soon as an educator does anything "for $0.00 a little extra cash," suddenly everyone acts like they deserve a monument built in their honor... 🧐

Do you have any idea what people working regular jobs in the private sector do $0.00 for a little extra cash? Or even just for their salary? They’re just happy to have a job. And if they actually love what they do and find it fulfilling, they aren't out there rubbing it in anyone's face.

A movie trip for a grade? No. An appreciation of art? Yes. I'm pretty sure the kids taking the test weren't all people who skipped the movies. And for those who went, and for whom it was considered an educational outing by their parents, why not?

So, half the class goes and the other half takes a test? What about the rest? Are they just sitting there picking their noses and staring out the window? 😕 And what about the kids whose parents might want them to go, but the budget just isn't there? Does every parent need to have the same amount of disposable income? Does experiencing art really have to be tied to scraping for a grade?

So, what’s actually the issue here? These exemptions? Honestly, just handle them at the school district level.

I mean, sure, that would be a great plan if a) most parents weren't struggling just to put food on the table, and b) if they weren't terrified that standing up for what they believe in would end up hurting their kids in the long run. 😉

It seems like most seniors breeze through their graduation trips because everything is planned to a T. Between the teachers running prep sessions, parents staying on top of things, and clear rules being set from day one, there’s zero guesswork. Even the logistics—like travel coordinators vetting hotels and ensuring staff are strategically stationed on the same floor as the students—make sure someone is always watching over them, day and night.

Charles Murphy6 said:I find one general phenomenon fascinating across all our middle schools—specifically grades 5 through 8.
Why is it that certain teachers always seem to have students stuck in summer school while others just follow their own whims—and honestly, I wouldn't dream of coming in over that—it really is true.
And it always ends up like this... why??
It’s already common knowledge that there are teachers who hold remedial exams just so they can avoid the hassle of dealing with kids, handing out a failing grade just to get them out of the building as quickly as possible. To me, that is completely unacceptable.
When it comes to grading, there are numerous factors to consider, including the social circumstances a child is living in.
I want to know how often you actually keep side notes to back up every single grade you issue??
And I want to know how many of you actually follow the grading policy and have a copy of it posted right there in your classroom??

Since the exam schedules for the entire semester are posted upfront on school bulletin boards and websites, it’s actually pretty easy for a parent to check if everything is being handled according to the official Grading policy.

When it comes to grading, I get the sense that failing grades are sometimes handed out based on a student's social or family situation rather than because a professor can't spare an extra 45 minutes for a retake. It’s about deciding whether those ten extra days before a makeup exam will actually help a kid who hasn't grasped the material all year due to circumstances beyond their control—and I'm not talking about laziness. Students already get endless chances to fix their grades throughout the school year. If they haven't managed to turn things around by now, maybe a teacher feels that giving them a failing grade is just adding insult to injury, especially if their home life is already a mess. Is that fair to the rest of the class? Probably not. Is it fair to that specific kid? It probably is. I know a retired school counselor who always said she didn't enter education just to become a bureaucrat.

Of course, you have administrators putting the squeeze on teachers to bump up grades—sometimes because parents are breathing down their necks, other times just to make the school's stats look better. You end up with some professors who cave to the pressure and others who don't; it’s why some students breeze through while others end up stuck in summer school.
Jason Ortiz5 Jason Ortiz5 Regular
325 messages
joined Mar 2025
#471 ·
Brenda Ruiz3 said:No, it's not that—it's just that people shouldn't be filing complaints when we follow the rules to the letter. It's the same for your line of work, too. For example, should I report a cashier at Target because they charged me five dollars more than the advertised price of $6.75 instead of the $33 I expected, or if I just felt like paying $27? Should that poor person get in trouble over something like that?

Clearly, some people—wrongly, I might add—operate under the delusion that educators aren't held accountable by anyone. It's such a blissful state of ignorance...

The truth is, I don't need oversight, nor am I afraid of it; I work according to my conscience and the established regulations. What irritates me is when someone demands something they aren't legally entitled to, and then proceeds to lash out and smear the entire education system because they didn't get their way.

Let's be realistic here—a grade isn't some private property that can just be handed out or gifted whenever someone feels like it. Or should we start debating specific proficiency levels next?

I mean, how is anyone supposed to know if I'm actually doing my job right without occasional checks? Inspections don't scare me at all, and honestly, I wouldn't mind even if someone reported me unfairly, as long as my conscience is clear and I'm following the law and the official Grading policy.

Actually, I don't need oversight and I'm certainly not afraid of it. I work with integrity and follow the rules. What really gets under my skin is when people demand things they aren't legally entitled to, and then they turn around and start trashing the whole education system.

Oh, sure. If an educator says they don't need oversight, then fine! Let's just scrap inspections entirely. That's clearly just for us regular folks. ☕

Let's be real here—grades aren't some gift you just hand out whenever you feel like it. They aren't personal property. Or should we start grading based on "knowledge levels" now?

Right, let's be totally realistic. Has anyone *ever* heard of a grade being given as a favor? Or an unrealistic grade? Oh, wait, no, that never happens. Not once. It's impossible. We must have all just imagined it... 😛
Andrew Rivera3 Andrew Rivera3 Member
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joined Feb 2012
#472 ·
Kimberly Robinson2 said:I honestly don't even know where to start. It’s a long story, and I won't get into everything, but if I'm going to explain this, I have to give some context. I'm a single mom, currently renting, and out of work at the moment while I hunt for something new. I'm living with my boyfriend, but it feels pretty temporary—we're in a total financial coma right now. My kid is technically off the hook for kitchen expenses, but things are tight. We just moved to a new place in a different city, which was a whirlwind. My kid had to switch schools, too.

Here's the second part: the class is constantly going on field trips. The teacher knows my situation. I reached out to social services, but nothing has come through yet. Making the call on the outdoor school trip was brutal—they're heading to the coast in May. It costs over $433 and lasts five days. Since the whole class is going, I figured, fine, I'll sign her up, and maybe I can scrape together those extra $67 somehow to cover the installment.

Then today, they went to a museum in Chicago (we aren't locals here). Total cost was $15. I had to sign waivers for the trip, the museum visit, and the zoo. So, I signed them and paid.
Then I find out yesterday that they're planning to hit McDonald's, too. 🙂
And she actually went ahead and ate there.

What really gets me is how they didn't even ask for parental permission for that! I mean, shouldn't they be asking parents before feeding ten-year-olds?

So I told my kid, "Look, I made you some sandwiches, but I don't have any money for McDonald's. We're in a bit of a crisis right now." Between the utilities and the rent coming due... it's just what it is. I told her, "Maybe next time."

Then the kid walks in the door and says, "I already ate!" 😲
The teacher gave her $10!
And then she tells her to pay her back tomorrow! 😲

I am absolutely floored.
And apparently, they're going to the movies tomorrow, so now I need cash for that, too...😢
Though, as I realized, the teacher gave her change back, so she's actually down $7.00 for the Happy Meal.

I realize it isn't a massive amount of $7.00, but it's the principle—it shocked me that she's essentially asking me for money now. (When I actually had funds, I was always buying gifts and never asked for a dime back). I know that doesn't change the current reality, but what am I supposed to do? I can't keep begging my boyfriend for money for my child, especially since he's tapped out too. He's barely making it until payday.

Is this okay?

Has anyone else dealt with something like this?

I think the teacher should've contacted you before handing the kid money
for a burger. But hey, it's done. Just pay her back once you get the funds.
Jamie Hill18 Jamie Hill18 Newcomer
6 messages
joined Feb 2011
#473 ·
So,
today was supposed to be the regional competition for one of my kid's school subjects. The kids were told to meet in front of the school at 7:45 AM to head out to the venue, which is about twenty-five miles away. Then, around 9:00, my child walks through the door and tells me the teacher just never showed up. Apparently, the principal tried calling him a few times, but he wasn't answering. They just told the kids they could all go home. My kid is totally crushed because they worked so hard for this—they actually had the highest score in the whole district during the school-level qualifying round.
Later that afternoon, I ran into the principal and asked why the trip didn't happen as planned, and he just casually mentions that only four out of the eight kids ended up going. Hearing that honestly broke my child even more; they can't wrap their head around why they weren't part of that group, especially since they realistically had the best shot at winning the whole thing.
There’s been zero official word or explanation from the school itself. The teacher just mumbled something about being sorry not everyone could make it, without even explaining why people were left behind or why they were forced to sit around the school for an hour if the whole group couldn't go. My child is just sitting there swallowing their pride, feeling like they were unfairly sidelined, and now they don't even want to attend the after-school tutoring for that subject anymore. As a parent, I'm left wondering if teachers are actually allowed to act like this just because they're in a position of authority.
Would you guys just let this slide, or would you be demanding some actual answers from the administration?
Charles Murphy6 Charles Murphy6 Active Member
118 messages
joined Dec 2011
#474 ·
Jamie Hill18 said:So,
today was supposed to be the regional competition for one of my kid's school subjects. The kids were told to meet in front of the school at 7:45 AM to head out to the venue, which is about twenty-five miles away. Then, around 9:00, my child walks through the door and tells me the teacher just never showed up. Apparently, the principal tried calling him a few times, but he wasn't answering. They just told the kids they could all go home. My kid is totally crushed because they worked so hard for this—they actually had the highest score in the whole district during the school-level qualifying round.
Later that afternoon, I ran into the principal and asked why the trip didn't happen as planned, and he just casually mentions that only four out of the eight kids ended up going. Hearing that honestly broke my child even more; they can't wrap their head around why they weren't part of that group, especially since they realistically had the best shot at winning the whole thing.
There’s been zero official word or explanation from the school itself. The teacher just mumbled something about being sorry not everyone could make it, without even explaining why people were left behind or why they were forced to sit around the school for an hour if the whole group couldn't go. My child is just sitting there swallowing their pride, feeling like they were unfairly sidelined, and now they don't even want to attend the after-school tutoring for that subject anymore. As a parent, I'm left wondering if teachers are actually allowed to act like this just because they're in a position of authority.
Would you guys just let this slide, or would you be demanding some actual answers from the administration?

Here is what I would do if I were in your shoes: you probably know which school is hosting the competition. Call them first thing tomorrow morning—there is always an appeals window. File a formal written complaint stating that your child missed the competition due to the reasons mentioned above, and demand that they be allowed to participate in a makeup session. You really need to take that written appeal directly to the school where the regional committee is meeting; honestly, nothing much gets done over the phone. That’s my move.
Your local school isn't going to lift a finger about this. It all comes down to the regional committee overseeing the competition; they are the ones who decide how to handle these messes. Good luck!
Jamie Hill18 Jamie Hill18 Newcomer
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It’s not even about who wins or loses, honestly... it’s more about how the school staff acts like total jerks. If someone had just been upfront and said, "Hey, we messed up because we didn't sort out the transportation," I probably would've just tossed my kid in the car and driven them myself. But acting like they don't exist and letting a child sit there wondering why they can't go? That's what really got under my skin.
Nicholas King Nicholas King Regular
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Charles Murphy6 said:Here is what I would do if I were in your shoes: you probably know which school is hosting the competition. Call them first thing tomorrow morning—there is always an appeals window. File a formal written complaint stating that your child missed the competition due to the reasons mentioned above, and demand that they be allowed to participate in a makeup session. You really need to take that written appeal directly to the school where the regional committee is meeting; honestly, nothing much gets done over the phone. That’s my move.
Your local school isn't going to lift a finger about this. It all comes down to the regional committee overseeing the competition; they are the ones who decide how to handle these messes. Good luck!

Where on earth are you getting this theory from? There's just no logic to it.

Not to mention, an appeal like that would be completely baseless—I mean, you might as well try to appeal because a subway train was delayed due to track maintenance. How exactly do you envision this "makeup date" working out? Would they just sit down and write entirely new exam questions just for one student? Even if some saint actually went through the trouble of doing that, how in the world would that score even be compared to everyone else's results?
Charles Murphy6 Charles Murphy6 Active Member
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Nicholas King said:Where on earth are you getting this theory from? There's just no logic to it.

Not to mention, an appeal like that would be completely baseless—I mean, you might as well try to appeal because a subway train was delayed due to track maintenance. How exactly do you envision this "makeup date" working out? Would they just sit down and write entirely new exam questions just for one student? Even if some saint actually went through the trouble of doing that, how in the world would that score even be compared to everyone else's results?

Look, there is a theory and there is actual ground for an appeal—you’re just being incredibly exhausting, and frankly, I don't have the energy to go back and forth with you...
Jamie Hill18 Jamie Hill18 Newcomer
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Nicholas King said:Where on earth are you getting this theory from? There's just no logic to it.

Not to mention, an appeal like that would be completely baseless—I mean, you might as well try to appeal because a subway train was delayed due to track maintenance. How exactly do you envision this "makeup date" working out? Would they just sit down and write entirely new exam questions just for one student? Even if some saint actually went through the trouble of doing that, how in the world would that score even be compared to everyone else's results?

Charles Murphy6 said:Look, there is a theory and there is actual ground for an appeal—you’re just being incredibly exhausting, and frankly, I don't have the energy to go back and forth with you...

Look, honestly, it doesn't even matter anymore—like I said before, the competition is over and done with, water under the bridge, as they say here in the States... but what's left is just this massive sense of disappointment from my kid toward their teacher, and then there's the whole question of why things went down that way. I feel like I really need to sit that teacher down and ask them straight up what happened and why my child got kicked out of the competition, but I'm honestly kind of terrified that I won't be able to keep my cool.
Nicholas King Nicholas King Regular
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Charles Murphy6 said:Look, there is a theory and there is actual ground for an appeal—you’re just being incredibly exhausting, and frankly, I don't have the energy to go back and forth with you...

If you're looking to pivot toward ad hominem attacks, fine—be my guest at any time—but it would be somewhat more honorable if you dropped the loaded tools first.

In the meantime, I suppose it would be quite interesting to hear which specific tasks a child would actually be expected to complete to earn their ranking.
Charles Murphy6 Charles Murphy6 Active Member
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Let me break down this "common sense" logic for you.
If we're talking about elementary school—kids aren't allowed to travel any distance over 25 miles without adult supervision.
Sure, parents can try to coordinate a carpool, but typically, the teacher heading out for the competition is the one responsible for them.
I double-checked the regulations again—experienced teachers at these competitions have the right to file a formal grievance and demand a retest... how the county commission actually plans to execute that process is their own headache.
Personally, I wouldn't just sit there taking this lying down or keeping my mouth shut. Think about it—kids spend the entire school year preparing for these competitions (specifically the ones where the teacher recognizes their talent), only to be told they can't go.
Truly encouraging stuff.

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