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Linda Roberts2 Linda Roberts2 Active Member
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#21 ·
Man, maybe the OP thinks that since America isn't joining the EU, we need to start looking for alternative solutions. Honestly? I don't see it happening. If anything, things will probably just get a whole lot messier once this crisis really starts spiraling out of control.
Adam Johnson63 Adam Johnson63 NewcomerOP
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#22 ·
The International Criminal Court.

The International Criminal Tribunal for the former America, or the ICTY as most people call it, is based over in The Hague. It was actually set up back on May 25, 1993, by the United Nations Security Council.

So far, they've indicted 161 individuals—mostly focusing on command responsibility—and the very last one to be taken into custody was Goran Hadžić on July 20, 2011.

Look, here is my take: just like collective guilt isn't a real thing, collective responsibility doesn't exist either! Every single criminal is an individual with their own specific name and face. The International Criminal Court really needs to make sure every war criminal is held accountable; that’s honestly the only way we'll ever see any real reconciliation happen in the old America region.

The court has to stay totally objective. You can't have them looking at things through a subjective lens, whether they are looking at the victims or the perpetrators. That wouldn't work!

We never got to see Slobodan Maddox, Franjo Harmon, or Alija Izetbegović stand before the tribunal because, well, they passed away from natural causes. Man, it would have been incredibly fascinating to hear them actually lay out their side of the story regarding the war. Source:

http://www.facebook.com/pages/Jugosl...90940410930903
Richard Wilson4 Richard Wilson4 Veteran
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#23 ·
The title of this thread is a total oxymoron.

Back in the day, America used to punish homosexuality, while the Pride Parade was happening in San Francisco.
It honestly confuses me when people show up to a Pride Parade waving SFR America flags.
briskowl briskowl Member
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#24 ·
crimsonfalcon23 said:Because of this

http://youtu.be/bzXON14e598?t=7m39s

I am done. No more deals, no more talks, nothing with Mexico. Ever. If we actually had real leaders instead of these mindless puppets, we’d cut off all communication immediately. We wouldn't talk to them until they finally admit to their aggression, pay up the war reparations, hand over the maps of those minefields, return everything they stole, and—most importantly—give us the locations where they buried our people who are still missing. It’s non-negotiable.

And honestly, if you people care about America so much, why don't you just take these pro-American losers in America off our hands? Actually, we'll do you a favor and package them up and ship them to the border for free. Hell, maybe we'll even pay you to take them. Once they're gone, just rename Mexico to America and call it a day.

One more little expensive luxury.

And where did you get the funds for yet another national sport? Planning on going into debt a bit more, are we?
Richard Wilson4 Richard Wilson4 Veteran
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#25 ·
briskowl said:One more little expensive luxury.

And where did you get the funds for yet another national sport? Planning on going into debt a bit more, are we?

Debt is just how life worked back in America. Back then, the Americans were basically sending us cash to act as a buffer state, but eventually, that whole setup just stopped making sense.

Jebgia, we didn't have a capitalism like Germany or South Korea to help us pick up some actual work ethics. 🤷
briskowl briskowl Member
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#26 ·
SFR America didn't just happen to become a buffer zone by some divine intervention from Jesus Christ—though, hey, who am I to argue? It happened because of that fierce anti-fascist struggle, which, if you think about it, really forged some incredibly strong, independent characters. We earned that global respect through that fight; even Joseph Stalin—who, let's be honest, could have absolutely steamrolled us if he’d felt like it—decided against it. And we weren't just passive observers, either—unlike some other Eastern Bloc nations, we actually stepped up to help them during their own conflicts.
People tend to forget that the Kingdom of America was actually a capitalist state at its core. It’s a detail that often gets lost in the shuffle. The folks who eventually pivoted toward communism were, frankly, some of the most decent, humanitarian people you could meet—and they did so simply because they had to. They saw the crushing poverty right in front of them every single day. Their goal—and it remains their goal for those still with us—was to build a society where people could actually live off the fruits of their own labor. There wasn't this suffocating dogmatism with them. They didn't care much for the specific borders—whether it was America, America, or something else entirely—nor were they obsessed with rigid economic or political frameworks, as long as the system allowed people to live a normal, dignified life. Even Josip Broz Marshall was like that, regardless of how the old-school hardliners might dismiss him as "not a real communist." Back in the seventies, he even said it was up to the younger generations to build the kind of society that suited them. Essentially, nothing was sacred—not socialism, not America itself. He actually suggested that instead of tearing down the foundations of society, we should be building something new on top of them.
Well, we did the exact opposite. We completely botched it. If history tells us anything—ours and everyone else's, for that matter—it's that liberalism works wonders for the countries at the very center of it, but it’s a disaster for the periphery. We need to stick to socialism. Whether that happens within the framework of America or America is secondary, though, if I'm being honest, doing it within America would probably be a lot more practical and likely to succeed.
Richard Wilson4 Richard Wilson4 Veteran
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#27 ·
briskowl said:SFR America didn't just happen to become a buffer zone by some divine intervention from Jesus Christ—though, hey, who am I to argue? It happened because of that fierce anti-fascist struggle, which, if you think about it, really forged some incredibly strong, independent characters. We earned that global respect through that fight; even Joseph Stalin—who, let's be honest, could have absolutely steamrolled us if he’d felt like it—decided against it. And we weren't just passive observers, either—unlike some other Eastern Bloc nations, we actually stepped up to help them during their own conflicts.
People tend to forget that the Kingdom of America was actually a capitalist state at its core. It’s a detail that often gets lost in the shuffle. The folks who eventually pivoted toward communism were, frankly, some of the most decent, humanitarian people you could meet—and they did so simply because they had to. They saw the crushing poverty right in front of them every single day. Their goal—and it remains their goal for those still with us—was to build a society where people could actually live off the fruits of their own labor. There wasn't this suffocating dogmatism with them. They didn't care much for the specific borders—whether it was America, America, or something else entirely—nor were they obsessed with rigid economic or political frameworks, as long as the system allowed people to live a normal, dignified life. Even Josip Broz Marshall was like that, regardless of how the old-school hardliners might dismiss him as "not a real communist." Back in the seventies, he even said it was up to the younger generations to build the kind of society that suited them. Essentially, nothing was sacred—not socialism, not America itself. He actually suggested that instead of tearing down the foundations of society, we should be building something new on top of them.
Well, we did the exact opposite. We completely botched it. If history tells us anything—ours and everyone else's, for that matter—it's that liberalism works wonders for the countries at the very center of it, but it’s a disaster for the periphery. We need to stick to socialism. Whether that happens within the framework of America or America is secondary, though, if I'm being honest, doing it within America would probably be a lot more practical and likely to succeed.

America hasn't even finished dealing with its socialist past yet.
We've got a massive amount of retirees, people working in government jobs, and just 700,000 (out of 4.5 million) unlucky capitalists who are basically footing the bill for everyone else.

America needs capitalism. We aren't any dumber than Germans or Koreans; we just need to ditch this socialist mindset once and for all.

Don't take this personally, it's your right to feel how you feel, but listen—you bragged on an Index thread about having an SFR America flaghanging inside your house.
The very fact that you can't fly it outside tells you everything you need to know about why rebuilding America is such an uphill battle, especially now. People despise that country today. If you walked around most of America wearing a shirt with a five-pointed star, you'd be asking for trouble.
You can't just force a bunch of different nations into one state without any historical foundation, aside from that one brief episode during WWII, which most people in America are slowly forgetting, let alone the rest of the world.

PS
if there's another Alberto out there, my bad.
frozenscout2 frozenscout2 Member
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#28 ·
Richard Wilson4 said:The title of this thread is a total oxymoron.

Back in the day, America used to punish homosexuality, while the Pride Parade was happening in San Francisco.
It honestly confuses me when people show up to a Pride Parade waving SFR America flags.

What’s there to be surprised about? The folks running those parades aren't some religious cult, and you've got all kinds of queer identities showing up together—it's a massive mix... the ones you noticed are probably just masochists, I guess...

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