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IRS and Tax Filing Issues

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Kenneth Bailey6 Kenneth Bailey6 Newcomer
2 messages
joined Jan 2013
#281 ·
vitas;43127238 said:Generally, you pay a fee to use the card or the security token. Fidelity provides access to their e-services for filing annual financial statements and quarterly statistical reports; the DMV handles the submission of various regulatory forms. There is a significant amount of utility to be found within the Fidelity ecosystem. Other services—like those for tax filings, Social Security, or healthcare administration—are completely free once you have paid for that Fidelity card. Therefore, the card can be quite useful, and I believe it is worth the investment..]

You make a valid point; for some, owning one is a logical choice, or perhaps more accurately, an unavoidable necessity. However, for someone in my position, the math simply doesn't add up. I don't file annual financial statements or quarterly reports, nor do I submit any regulatory paperwork since I don't employ anyone. I have no need for the tax, Social Security, or healthcare portals either; my entire digital footprint is limited to sales tax filings and year-end reconciliations. If I had an accountant, they would handle all those filings for a modest fee, finding it far more economical to cover the monthly Fidelity service charge themselves since they manage dozens or even hundreds of small businesses at once, and
I am my own bookkeeper.
In an era where we are constantly forced to scrutinize every single expense to stay afloat, these kinds of mandates feel particularly heavy-handed when they serve no purpose. Honestly, I wouldn't be surprised if in a few years they decide we aren't allowed to walk into a bank to deposit cash anymore, and instead require us to pay Fidelity security guards to come right to our front doors to collect it.
Robert Thomas11 Robert Thomas11 Member
15 messages
joined Jan 2011
#282 ·
Jack Carter88 said:It really doesn't matter whether you opt for a USB drive or a smart card. Personally, I find the drive much more practical since you don't have to worry about carrying around a separate card reader. Regarding the IRS online portal, you’ll need to file a power of attorney for yourself as well. Essentially, if you want to access the IRS online portal, you have to take that USB drive—the one you picked up at the Department of the Treasury—down to the IRS office along with a notarized power of attorney (yes, you're essentially authorizing yourself). You only have to deal with this hurdle once. After that initial setup, if you have others authorizing you to use the IRS online portal, you just submit the power of attorney forms (three copies) to the IRS without needing the drive.

If you run into any technical glitches, just give the IRS help desk a call at 1-800-66-9933 or contact the Department of the Treasury at 1-800-00-80. Just follow their directions and everything should go smoothly enough.

Hope your work goes well!


Thank you so much; your response was incredibly helpful, and I've successfully set up my access to the IRS online portal.🙂
The representative over at FINRA was absolutely lovely, but the person at the IRS? Well, a complete disaster. If you're using a USB drive, I'd highly recommend calling FINRA first—there's no way to figure out the whole process on your own! Though, I must say—if I may brag just a little—the lady I spoke with actually complimented me on how well I handled things compared to most people she walks through the procedure.🙂

And just one quick follow-up question: will I need any specific powers of attorney from clients whose IRS online portal accounts I'll be managing via my own card, and for FINRA, or is that strictly for the IRS online portal?!
Jack Carter88 Jack Carter88 Member
45 messages
joined Sep 2011
#283 ·
I am truly happy to hear that—congratulations!

For those clients where you're strictly filing paperwork with the IRS, all you really need is a power of attorney for the IRS online portal (you don't have to submit anything extra to the Department of the Treasury in those cases). However, if you’re handling both tax filings and reporting to the Department of the Treasury, you’ll need an additional power of attorney for the Department of the Treasury. When dealing with the IRS, you just submit the power of attorney in triplicate copies (no USB drive required), and for the Department of the Treasury, you’ll need to attach a photocopy of the authorized representative's ID along with that power of attorney. There's no need to bother with a USB drive for the Department of the Treasury anymore either; you just wait for the power of attorney to be processed.
Robert Thomas11 Robert Thomas11 Member
15 messages
joined Jan 2011
#284 ·
Thank you, thank you, thank you—you really are the best! I honestly wonder why everyone isn't always this polite when calling the customer service lines 🙂 Well, now everything makes perfect sense!
placidlynx92 placidlynx92 Active Member
92 messages
joined Jan 2013
#285 ·
Kenneth Bailey6 said:Greetings, everyone. I have a question regarding these digital tax certificates... Up until now, I’ve been filing my sales tax returns once a month
in person at the local IRS office—it's just a quick five-minute walk from my place. Now, I understand that starting January 1st, everything has to be submitted
electronically. For someone like me, who handles all my own bookkeeping and runs a solo operation, this feels like nothing more than an added expense.
I handle all my electronic transfers through JP Morgan Chase, but during a recent visit to the Department of the Treasury, I was told I might also need to pay them $17 monthly just to maintain the
digital credentials. It seems excessive to me to pay a recurring fee just to submit a single monthly return, especially since I am already paying service fees
to JP Morgan Chase. If the certificate can be downloaded directly from the government website, how exactly is this "free" system supposed to work? Does it actually make more financial sense to migrate all my payment processing over to the Department of the Treasury?

If you're running a small business and you've already got net banking set up, just grab the certificate from FINRA$157 as a one-time annual thing. Once you have that card, access to the IRS online portal, Social Security, and Medicare is free. You don't really need the full FINRA suite because the state can still handle certain paper filings, and frankly, most of those other FINRA services are overkill for a sole proprietor like you.😎
silverbadger silverbadger Active Member
69 messages
joined May 2013
#286 ·
I figured I’d just post this here to answer my own question, though it might actually end up being pretty helpful for someone else on the forum too.

When you're heading in to get your access set up on the IRS online portal, there is absolutely no need to bring your FINRA card along with you.
"The agent really shouldn't have been asking you for that card in the first place, since those digital certificates are all accessible right through the intranet—it's just that nobody can actually do anything with them unless they have the correct PIN."

So, bottom line: if an agent asks to see your FINRA card with its digital signature, just keep it to yourself and don't hand it over.
Kimberly Harris6 Kimberly Harris6 Active Member
106 messages
joined Feb 2011
#287 ·
silverbadger said:I figured I’d just post this here to answer my own question, though it might actually end up being pretty helpful for someone else on the forum too.

When you're heading in to get your access set up on the IRS online portal, there is absolutely no need to bring your FINRA card along with you.
"The agent really shouldn't have been asking you for that card in the first place, since those digital certificates are all accessible right through the intranet—it's just that nobody can actually do anything with them unless they have the correct PIN."

So, bottom line: if an agent asks to see your FINRA card with its digital signature, just keep it to yourself and don't hand it over.

Wait, is this actually news? Every time I set up a new client, I’ve always brought along their card and a power of attorney... mostly because I was told they couldn't assign authorization without the physical card. I hand them the card, they process everything, and within 24 hours, I can manage that client's account perfectly fine. I honestly don't see what the big deal is.
Kyle Rogers8 Kyle Rogers8 Active Member
58 messages
joined Apr 2012
#288 ·
Kimberly Harris6 said:Wait, is this actually news? Every time I set up a new client, I’ve always brought along their card and a power of attorney... mostly because I was told they couldn't assign authorization without the physical card. I hand them the card, they process everything, and within 24 hours, I can manage that client's account perfectly fine. I honestly don't see what the big deal is.

Sign this right here
We've handled powers of attorney for at least 60+ clients this way—always bringing the ID along every single time.
Actually, I've seen cases where someone authorized via ID forgot to bring the actual card to the IRS office, and even though the agents there know them by name, they were told they literally couldn't assign the authorization without the physical card on hand due to technicalities. 🤷
Robert Thomas11 Robert Thomas11 Member
15 messages
joined Jan 2011
#289 ·
We finally received that Omnikey—you know, the USB token instead of the old card and reader setup? It’s much more practical! Apparently, they might be issuing these out as the new standard now. The representative at the IRS mentioned we don't even need to show up at the office anymore; once they approve the electronic request sent via the IRS online portal, everything is settled. However—and this is important—you really ought to call FINRA first to handle all the technical prep and installation steps.

Before you pick up the phone to call FINRA—and they are supposed to walk you through every single step, by the way—you should probably head over to their official site: where you can download the necessary certificates and installation files. Of course, you'll be doing this with their guidance! Since we got the USB stick, there isn't a CD or anything else included anymore; the stick itself is all you need.
I also suggest checking out this page: just so you can be as prepared as possible when speaking with the officials. It saves everyone the headache, right? No sense in making them lose their patience while you're trying to navigate the system! 🙂
One little heads-up regarding that last link: it might look like it isn't working at first glance. If that happens, simply click the option at the bottom that says continue to this website, even though it says "not recommended."
Henry Edwards33 Henry Edwards33 Regular
678 messages
joined Aug 2015
#290 ·
Kyle Rogers8 said:Sign this right here
We've handled powers of attorney for at least 60+ clients this way—always bringing the ID along every single time.
Actually, I've seen cases where someone authorized via ID forgot to bring the actual card to the IRS office, and even though the agents there know them by name, they were told they literally couldn't assign the authorization without the physical card on hand due to technicalities. 🤷

🤣

I’ve never had to show my ID at the IRS before. This is actually kind of funny 🤣
Raymond Martinez10 Raymond Martinez10 Active Member
236 messages
joined Oct 2009
#291 ·
Henry Edwards33 said:🤣

I’ve never had to show my ID at the IRS before. This is actually kind of funny 🤣

The first time I did it—and I haven't since—it was the exact same day a new client went active; I could have easily peeked at their PKK.
Today I'm carrying two more powers of attorney, so we'll see if anything changes.
Kyle Rogers8 Kyle Rogers8 Active Member
58 messages
joined Apr 2012
#292 ·
I guess I’ll probably have to send a link to this site to the folks at the IRS who are handling my case 🤷
Jack Young Jack Young Active Member
111 messages
joined Mar 2015
#293 ·
So, looking back at my own experience from about a year ago when I was wading through this exact same mess you guys are talking about... it’s pretty wild how inconsistent things can be. For one company, they insisted on seeing a Bank of America card via FINRA just because I had power of attorney. But then, for another company—even though they deal with the Federal Reserve (B2G)—they didn't need any of that! A simple power of attorney was plenty. And get this: both companies fall under the same Police Department jurisdiction and were handled by the very same officer... kind of interesting how that works, right?
Raymond Martinez10 Raymond Martinez10 Active Member
236 messages
joined Oct 2009
#294 ·
I didn't make it down to the IRS office today—instead, I swung by the FINRA office because I had to renew my certificate. And wouldn't you know it, the lady behind the counter starts demanding my ID, my debit card, and my PIN.
At least she didn't ask for a TSMC audit report, a census transcript, and my balance sheets from the last decade. 😂😂
Kimberly Harris6 Kimberly Harris6 Active Member
106 messages
joined Feb 2011
#295 ·
Henry Edwards33 said:🤣

I’ve never had to show my ID at the IRS before. This is actually kind of funny 🤣

The OECD stuff is fascinating!! When I first started, they told me I only needed to show up once, but then after a while, they started demanding it every single time... Honestly, I'm just over the hassle. I'd rather just send a power of attorney and my card via a colleague (I don't even have to go myself); they handle the paperwork and everyone stays happy. They constantly wear me down with these contradictory statements and endless requirements. At this point, I'd much rather deal with extra paperwork than have to listen to them acting all "brilliant."
fadedotter21 fadedotter21 Newcomer
9 messages
joined Jan 2013
#296 ·
Henry Edwards33 said:🤣

I’ve never had to show my ID at the IRS before. This is actually kind of funny 🤣

Being a total overachiever, I actually headed down to the local IRS branch first just to ask exactly what paperwork I needed to bring. They told me: "Just three copies of the power of attorney." When I asked if I should bring a USB drive, they looked at me like I was crazy and said, "Why on earth would we need your thumb drive?"
Henry Edwards33 Henry Edwards33 Regular
678 messages
joined Aug 2015
#297 ·
fadedotter21 said:Being a total overachiever, I actually headed down to the local IRS branch first just to ask exactly what paperwork I needed to bring. They told me: "Just three copies of the power of attorney." When I asked if I should bring a USB drive, they looked at me like I was crazy and said, "Why on earth would we need your thumb drive?"

Three? 😕

I suppose I'll be hearing all sorts of nonsense soon enough. 🤣
fadedotter21 fadedotter21 Newcomer
9 messages
joined Jan 2013
#298 ·
Henry Edwards33 said:Three? 😕

I suppose I'll be hearing all sorts of nonsense soon enough. 🤣

Yeah, exactly—they held onto one, but they sent two back to us (with those official green stamps of theirs) div>
Hannah Harris6 Hannah Harris6 Member
18 messages
joined Apr 2011
#299 ·
Hey there! Has anyone else run into a wall while trying to get the IRS Portal application set up online? I’m hitting a snag where it keeps telling me that all the necessary Treasury pre-requisites aren't installed—it's flagging them as "unknown publishers"—even though I’ve gone through the motions and installed everything. I even decrypted the certificates on my token and ran everything from the disc, plus grabbed all the extra stuff from the official IRS support page, but I'm still getting the exact same error. It feels like a bit of a loop. I was wondering if it might be easier to just head down to a local IRS office in person? To be honest, I haven't really looked into how that process works. Could the fact that I haven't received all the official paperwork from the IRS be the reason I can't get this application to take? And what about using an electronic signature? There isn't much info out there about that... does anyone have a quick guide or some advice they could share?
Raymond Martinez10 Raymond Martinez10 Active Member
236 messages
joined Oct 2009
#300 ·
For the first time, you’re going to have to head down to the IRS office in person with your card—basically, they need to "verify" you physically. Only after that's settled can you actually start using the IRS Portal.

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