Remembering Ayrton Senna

Dana Perez6 said:
Nuvolari, I don't know what's up with you, but every time I praise Ayrton Senna, you twist it to make it sound like I'm mocking him. Like I'm making fun of the "Rain Man" who used to pull miracles out of nowhere in weather just like what we're seeing right now in New York, overtaking everyone in some beat-up four-wheeled junker that looked more like a Formula 1 car. It's a shame they stopped the race in Monaco back in '84 on Jean-Marie Balestre's orders just to help Alain Prost hold the lead—because otherwise, if the race had gone to the end, the king Ayrton Senna wouldn't have just overtaken Alain Prost, he probably would have lapped him too.... How is a worm supposed to race a speedboat....😁🙏🤦

Why even bother praising him?

Look, we all get it—Ayrton Senna was a god-tier driver. Maybe even the best of his era.

But let's be real—the guy didn't give a damn about his rivals on the track. Or his fans. He was hands down the biggest egomaniac and narcissist out there.

At Imola 1994, Ayrton Senna should've done exactly what Alain Prost did back in Adelaide 1989.

He should've just hopped out of a bolid that clearly had steering issues. (And since he was such a "legend," he obviously knew something was wrong by the seventh lap.)

But nope—his ego won. Just look at his funeral. Because of his selfishness and this warped view of himself and reality, your boy Ayrton Senna made millions of people miserable in a single second. Millions.

If he wasn't such a massive narcissist, he would've realized he couldn't risk dying for those crowds—he should've pulled the bolid into the pits and swallowed his pride, just like Prost did in Adelaide in '89.

But Senna? He wasn't about swallowing his pride—he'd rather fly off into the afterlife...

Anyone can go out in a blaze of glory—that's the easy part. Real heroes stay on this planet as long as they possibly can... they swallow the bitter pill.

But nah, Senna was built different. He didn't care about anything except himself.

And that’s the legacy Ayrton Senna left behind.

Not Monaco, Toleman, or whatever other nonsense...

ruggedhawk20 said:Why even bother praising him?

Look, we all get it—Ayrton Senna was a god-tier driver. Maybe even the best of his era.

But let's be real—the guy didn't give a damn about his rivals on the track. Or his fans. He was hands down the biggest egomaniac and narcissist out there.

At Imola 1994, Ayrton Senna should've done exactly what Alain Prost did back in Adelaide 1989.

He should've just hopped out of a bolid that clearly had steering issues. (And since he was such a "legend," he obviously knew something was wrong by the seventh lap.)

But nope—his ego won. Just look at his funeral. Because of his selfishness and this warped view of himself and reality, your boy Ayrton Senna made millions of people miserable in a single second. Millions.

If he wasn't such a massive narcissist, he would've realized he couldn't risk dying for those crowds—he should've pulled the bolid into the pits and swallowed his pride, just like Prost did in Adelaide in '89.

But Senna? He wasn't about swallowing his pride—he'd rather fly off into the afterlife...

Anyone can go out in a blaze of glory—that's the easy part. Real heroes stay on this planet as long as they possibly can... they swallow the bitter pill.

But nah, Senna was built different. He didn't care about anything except himself.

And that’s the legacy Ayrton Senna left behind.

Not Monaco, Toleman, or whatever other nonsense...

Senna didn't care about other people? Are you hearing yourself?

And what about what he did at Spa-Francorchamps? For Eric Comas?
Why was he adored by everyone during his lifetime, from ordinary people to the entire Formula 1 leadership?

Senna strove to be first rather than just collecting points, and that serves as an inspiration to many, including Lewis Hamilton for instance.
Not to mention children across the globe, especially in the USA, and his foundation established for underprivileged children.
During his life, he helped everyone around him, and he continued that through his legacy after his passing.

So, you are just a typical hater who likes to call people like me "fanboys."
While simultaneously spreading falsehoods.
You are spreading lies, cosmiccyclist8, and it isn't a good look.

mellowtiger83 said:Senna didn't care about other people? Are you hearing yourself?

And what about what he did at Spa-Francorchamps? For Eric Comas?
Why was he adored by everyone during his lifetime, from ordinary people to the entire Formula 1 leadership?

Senna strove to be first rather than just collecting points, and that serves as an inspiration to many, including Lewis Hamilton for instance.
Not to mention children across the globe, especially in the USA, and his foundation established for underprivileged children.
During his life, he helped everyone around him, and he continued that through his legacy after his passing.

So, you are just a typical hater who likes to call people like me "fanboys."
While simultaneously spreading falsehoods.
You are spreading lies, cosmiccyclist8, and it isn't a good look.

😕

Why are you dragging my name into this? 😕 Honestly, Joe, just stick to teaching lessons and leave me out of it.😁

cosmiccyclist8 said:

Exactly! Who's he praying to? Just himself. He’s got that yellow helmet sitting right there—praying to the holy Ayrton Senna.

And please—do us all a favor and drop the fake expressions.

Give me a break.

cosmiccyclist8 said:

The dream is coming true.

Joe is clearly an obsessed fan of Professor Alain Prost—whom Ayrton Senna dominated and outclassed throughout his entire career—and now he’s just wandering the corners of this forum trying to smear Senna's legacy.

Senna, whom most Formula 1 drivers regard as the greatest driver in the history of Formula 1.
Senna, whom most experts in the automotive world recognize as the finest Formula 1 driver.
Senna, who proved his pure talent on the track—with driving styles that remain the gold standard for perfection and precision—all without any special backing from the FIA president.

To claim that Senna was an egocentric or selfish person—considering he donated millions of dollars to help children, was the only one to jump out of his race car to save his colleagues, fought tirelessly for better safety standards in Formula 1, and won over millions of fans worldwide through his humility and intellect—is a claim only someone of questionable intelligence could make.

But no—apparently the whole world is blinded by "mythomania." Everyone is deluded. All Formula 1 drivers must be uneducated, ignorant, and incompetent if they dare to say Senna is number one.

And yet, we are truly honored to have him—Joe, our forum guru. Our expert. I wouldn't go so far as to call him a professor—but he is certainly just like his idol, Alain Prost.

Colleague Pila, always in the middle of it:

Jason Campbell70 said:Pathological lying is a serious affliction.

Walter Anderson43 said:Joe is clearly an obsessed fan of Professor Alain Prost—whom Ayrton Senna dominated and outclassed throughout his entire career—and now he’s just wandering the corners of this forum trying to smear Senna's legacy.

Senna, whom most Formula 1 drivers regard as the greatest driver in the history of Formula 1.
Senna, whom most experts in the automotive world recognize as the finest Formula 1 driver.
Senna, who proved his pure talent on the track—with driving styles that remain the gold standard for perfection and precision—all without any special backing from the FIA president.

To claim that Senna was an egocentric or selfish person—considering he donated millions of dollars to help children, was the only one to jump out of his race car to save his colleagues, fought tirelessly for better safety standards in Formula 1, and won over millions of fans worldwide through his humility and intellect—is a claim only someone of questionable intelligence could make.

But no—apparently the whole world is blinded by "mythomania." Everyone is deluded. All Formula 1 drivers must be uneducated, ignorant, and incompetent if they dare to say Senna is number one.

And yet, we are truly honored to have him—Joe, our forum guru. Our expert. I wouldn't go so far as to call him a professor—but he is certainly just like his idol, Alain Prost.

Why didn't Senna pull the car over at Imola?

There are only two possible answers.

1) He didn't realize something was wrong with the race car—which calls his actual driving skills into question.

2) He just didn't care if he crashed or not. Winning was the only thing that mattered. Which calls his ability to make rational decisions into question.

Jason Campbell70 said:Colleague Pila, always in the middle of it:

Lacking any actual arguments, as per usual🍿, just give me this.

ruggedhawk20 said:Why didn't Senna pull the car over at Imola?

There are only two possible answers.

1) He didn't realize something was wrong with the race car—which calls his actual driving skills into question.

2) He just didn't care if he crashed or not. Winning was the only thing that mattered. Which calls his ability to make rational decisions into question.

You clearly didn't consider the possibility that he realized the race car was failing only after he had already lost control.

To put it plainly, when you have a tire blowout on an American interstate while doing 90mph, you know what's coming, and you prepare for it.

Bravo, ruggedhawk20, keep embarrassing yourself! I must admit, you have quite a knack for trolling.

I suppose in your view, every driver who ever died was just incompetent because they failed to notice a mechanical failure.

Over a hundred racers have died at the Isle of Man due to mechanical issues; one wonders how they failed to notice and prevent it.

mellowtiger83 said:You clearly didn't consider the possibility that he realized the race car was failing only after he had already lost control.

To put it plainly, when you have a tire blowout on an American interstate while doing 90mph, you know what's coming, and you prepare for it.

Bravo, ruggedhawk20, keep embarrassing yourself! I must admit, you have quite a knack for trolling.

I suppose in your view, every driver who ever died was just incompetent because they failed to notice a mechanical failure.

Over a hundred racers have died at the Isle of Man due to mechanical issues; one wonders how they failed to notice and prevent it.

Fangio
Brabham
Stewart
Lauda
Nelson Piquet
Alain Prost

All those guys have the same amount of titles—maybe even more—than Ayrton Senna, and every single one of them...

... lived to be old men.

Clearly, Senna was missing whatever it was they had.

Common sense, obviously.

And that's the one thing he shared with all his fans.

mellowtiger83 said:A decent bolid doesn't mean it was in the same league as McLaren and the rest. Being 50 hp down in a car that’s heavier than the top-tier ones isn't trivial. One has to consider the power-to-weight ratio. And when you talk about qualifying, we're looking at a deficit of roughly 150-200 hp, to say nothing of the rest.

A car like that, even in the hands of a truly great driver, might fight for maybe 10th place at most.

The bolid wasn't some junker; it was a solidly put-together car hampered by an anemic engine and a budget deficit.
It was a far cry from the absolute garbage that used to show up in F1 back in those years.
F1 had many more teams back then, and quite a few couldn't even make the cut for the race.
In that regard, Toleman was actually successful because they at least guaranteed a spot on the grid.

I wonder, just how much of a power deficit did Keke's Cosworth actually face when compared to the Renault, Ferrari, or BMW engines during his championship run?
And do we all remember Senna in Dallas back in 1984, driving that very same Toleman during the street race? He was likely the worst driver on the track that day.

By the way, whenever Joe tells you something, you really ought to listen closely, because he is easily the most intelligent person here and a true expert. Just because he enjoys a bit of banter along the way doesn't mean you can't learn a thing or two about Formula 1 from him.

graniteharbor502 said:I wonder, just how much of a power deficit did Keke's Cosworth actually face when compared to the Renault, Ferrari, or BMW engines during his championship run?
And do we all remember Senna in Dallas back in 1984, driving that very same Toleman during the street race? He was likely the worst driver on the track that day.

By the way, whenever Joe tells you something, you really ought to listen closely, because he is easily the most intelligent person here and a true expert. Just because he enjoys a bit of banter along the way doesn't mean you can't learn a thing or two about Formula 1 from him.

around 250 hp

Since you brought up Keke Rosberg driving Senna's car—here's a little bit of the back-and-forth between those two

ruggedhawk20 said:Exactly! Who's he praying to? Just himself. He’s got that yellow helmet sitting right there—praying to the holy Ayrton Senna.

And please—do us all a favor and drop the fake expressions.

Give me a break.

Is that what you determine based on eyebrow positioning, body language, or some other metric?

Hey, Fontaine! Glad to see you back in the mix.

cosmiccyclist8 said:Since you brought up Keke Rosberg driving Senna's car—here's a little bit of the back-and-forth between those two

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Auuu, man, this is some incredible stuff to watch... ugh, look at how Senna caused that chaos, and then how Nigel Mansell managed to overtake him (clearly Ayrton was dealing with some issues, but he didn't just roll over..). He completely scattered Keke Rosberg and Nelson Piquet with those moves. Those were real races. I wish they’d bring back cars like that instead of these modern "leaf blowers" designed for aero efficiency... without adrenaline, there aren't real races—there's no actual "experience." Racing needs noise. Like when they hit the wall driving through Z. V.—you could hear that entire New York City from end to end, even if the engine was only about 150 cc... and when they did speed runs through New York City—guys like Jovica Paliković, Goran Štrok, Drago Regvat, Đani Šverko, and the crew—that sound and the smell of that special fuel mix was louder and more intense than five squadrons of fighter jets
flying low-altitude—that's what people actually loved. You don't see that anymore. Everything today is watered down and sanitized... zero thrill.🤦

ruggedhawk20 said:Fangio
Brabham
Stewart
Lauda
Nelson Piquet
Alain Prost

All those guys have the same amount of titles—maybe even more—than Ayrton Senna, and every single one of them...

... lived to be old men.

Clearly, Senna was missing whatever it was they had.

Common sense, obviously.

And that's the one thing he shared with all his fans.

Look, Ayrton Senna was a driver for the fastest cars on the planet. A racetrack is a place where you RACE, and racing is inherently tied to danger and death. It’s not some wellness retreat or a health spa; it’s a high-stakes, lethal environment. Every tenth of a second pushed past the limit can be fatal. If Ayrton Senna actually wanted to focus on his health—using anti-aging methods or trying to live a long, safe, healthy life—he would have just moved to Hawaii to swim, tan, eat clean, and do all that stuff. He had the money for it since his father, Milton, was a wealthy industrialist from a rich family. But he chose to hang out in dangerous places because that was the life he picked. You’re grouping together drivers who just happened to survive despite being inches away from death due to someone else's mistake. All drivers in that world operate with the same mindset. Even Niki Lauda survived a horrific cockpit fire by pure luck.
Ayrton Senna didn't die because he was missing something upstairs; he lost grip on his front wheels in a corner at 200 mph while facing a raw concrete wall with zero protection.☕🤦🙏

ruggedhawk20 said:Why didn't Senna pull the car over at Imola?

There are only two possible answers.

1) He didn't realize something was wrong with the race car—which calls his actual driving skills into question.

2) He just didn't care if he crashed or not. Winning was the only thing that mattered. Which calls his ability to make rational decisions into question.

-----Ayrton Senna parked his car at the Tamburello corner—meaning you're dead wrong.
-----Ayrton Senna realized there was an issue with the car the second he
arrived at Williams, and he spent the whole time pissed off, agitated, and
constantly working to fix the car's flaws. We know that much for sure.
------Did he care about crashing? He actually told his girlfriend
Adrianna back then that he'd rather not race because he wasn't satisfied with
either the track safety or the car. But if he had, YOU and people like you would have called him a
coward and said that's why he backed out.
You claim all he cared about was winning? Look, every single driver
cares about winning—that's literally why they're there. They didn't come here to pick flowers by the
trackside.😁😵🙏

Dana Perez6 said:-----Ayrton Senna parked his car at the Tamburello corner—meaning you're dead wrong.
-----Ayrton Senna realized there was an issue with the car the second he
arrived at Williams, and he spent the whole time pissed off, agitated, and
constantly working to fix the car's flaws. We know that much for sure.
------Did he care about crashing? He actually told his girlfriend
Adrianna back then that he'd rather not race because he wasn't satisfied with
either the track safety or the car. But if he had, YOU and people like you would have called him a
coward and said that's why he backed out.
You claim all he cared about was winning? Look, every single driver
cares about winning—that's literally why they're there. They didn't come here to pick flowers by the
trackside.😁😵🙏

Oh, I get it! So he just had to die just so people like me wouldn't call him a coward.

Textbook narcissism.