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Matthew Jones16 Matthew Jones16 MemberOP
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#41 ·
I suppose I might actually be losing my mind over her, if that's even possible. It’s just that, looking back, it feels like everyone else has been playing me for a fool for a long time now. Maybe she’s really the only thing left keeping me from just walking away from everything and letting it all go to hell.
crimsoncanyon2 crimsoncanyon2 Active Member
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#42 ·
Matthew Jones16 said:I have this theory that they’re essentially gaslighting me, trying to force me into being more empathetic or focusing on other people's needs, presumably so I’ll feel better and finally commit to that girl.

but honestly, all they actually managed to achieve was leaving me feeling like I had a heavy weight pressing down on my skull for two straight months. I couldn't sleep for anything, and I think I lost about five pounds just from the sheer anxiety of it all... But that part is over now; it's been two months since I started having positive thoughts regarding their massive little psychological game. Though, I suppose the FBI still occasionally pokes at me, hinting that someone might take their own life, or someone will end up killing someone else, or maybe I'll just wind up in a psychiatric ward.

If I didn't convince myself that they actually have good intentions, I probably would have sent them all a scathing message via DM a hundred times over by now...
yet I keep telling them that this whole approach is a mistake, because any social interaction I have with people I don't truly trust is going to remain entirely superficial. And that goes for my own parents as well, I guess.

As far as the girl is concerned, I care about her more than anyone else... though, I suppose the others are decent enough too.

Look, Gaslighting is when someone tries to make you question your own sanity—your ability to perceive reality or draw logical conclusions based on actual facts. And trust me, someone doing that isn't looking out for your best interests, let alone trying to teach you how to love people better...
They want you to doubt yourself, and once you do that, you'll start doubting everything else too...

If you're still so head-over-heels for this girl, why are we even talking about an ex?
Matthew Jones16 Matthew Jones16 MemberOP
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#43 ·
crimsoncanyon2 said:Look, Gaslighting is when someone tries to make you question your own sanity—your ability to perceive reality or draw logical conclusions based on actual facts. And trust me, someone doing that isn't looking out for your best interests, let alone trying to teach you how to love people better...
They want you to doubt yourself, and once you do that, you'll start doubting everything else too...

If you're still so head-over-heels for this girl, why are we even talking about an ex?

Well, it's because one of my buddies told me that I was actually in a relationship with her, since it lasted about two months, but he only said that after we had already broken up. While we were still seeing each other, that same friend kept telling me that what I had with her wasn't anything serious and suggested I should find some other girl who actually wants to be with me. Neither of us ever explicitly mentioned being in a "relationship"; I just assumed it was casual, or just hanging out. In my head, though, we were over the moment she found a rebound boyfriend. But then everyone started meddling, almost like they were staging scenes just so I’d "accidentally" run into them together...
But she lashed out at me during our exchange of things, while I was more focused on confessions and secrets—which, I guess, might lead toward a relationship?
And after that, she told me not to reach out to her anymore. Then her rebound guy started bothering me all over Facebook until I finally blocked him.

But I don't see how that's just "casual" if she's analyzing me, trying to figure out what I'm emotionally attached to, and demanding that I give it up (which I interpret as doing it for her). That doesn't seem like typical casual behavior, does it?
And what kind of "just hanging out" involves exchanging stuff and secrets? Usually, it's things that actually hold meaning, like drawings or books from childhood...

It really irritates me, quite frankly, how everyone felt the need to step in and get involved. I personally think these things should remain private, especially at the very beginning.
Matthew Jones16 Matthew Jones16 MemberOP
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#44 ·
crimsoncanyon2 said:Look, Gaslighting is when someone tries to make you question your own sanity—your ability to perceive reality or draw logical conclusions based on actual facts. And trust me, someone doing that isn't looking out for your best interests, let alone trying to teach you how to love people better...
They want you to doubt yourself, and once you do that, you'll start doubting everything else too...

If you're still so head-over-heels for this girl, why are we even talking about an ex?

well, yeah, but they actually managed to make me want to retreat from people even more than before.
I suppose I have one question, though; if I am paranoid, then Gaslighting shouldn't really work on me. I still find myself trusting my own instincts more than anyone else regarding everything that has gone down over the last six months. In all likelihood, I will probably trust myself more than anyone else forever. What they were doing was just being dismissive. But it seems like they all just want to convince me that I'm wrong, and now they are even frequently denying things they previously stated as fact. They want to force me into a position where I have to trust them all again, but if I do trust them, then I am essentially doubting my own mind.
Is paranoia somehow a defense against Gaslighting?

Though, I can't help but feel that my psychiatrist might be involved in this too. It turns out he is likely a friend of a friend of my mother's.

because there is a massive difference in how the psychiatrist I found treats me compared to the one my mother sourced for me.
their approaches aren't even remotely the same

but I guess none of that matters much, since most of these people I'm suspicious of will eventually fade out of my life or I'll just see them occasionally.
Matthew Jones16 Matthew Jones16 MemberOP
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#45 ·
I suppose there are three main reasons why they are doing this to me, assuming their intentions are actually good.
1. They keep accusing me of being a bad person based solely on things I’ve said or stories I’ve told about myself, rather than looking at my actual actions. (Being bad personally, and potentially affecting those around me). I honestly think all of this is just nonsense.
2. They want me to love that girl more than I love myself.
3. They are trying to pressure me into getting motivated and finally enrolling in college.
4. It might be because they completely misinterpreted what I said about how every social interaction carries some sort of utility. In my view, the most useful people are those who make me feel happy—people I am willing to go out of my way for, or have already done things for, and there aren't many of them. These are people I can trust and who have a positive impact on me. Perhaps they thought I was looking for something else from people? I don't even know what else there could be, because this is what matters most to me.
Though, I must admit, I have used certain people somewhat for the sake of having a place to eat. I suppose that counts as exploiting them.

Lately, I have tried to use every single friend I have just to reach a resolution in this whole situation. That is likely why everyone is starting to matter to me less and less.

My theory is that the more you exploit someone, the less they will mean to you. Conversely, the more someone exploits you, the more they will mean to you, though they might also end up causing you some harm. So, I guess one should be careful about who they give themselves to.

They want me to start behaving better toward my friends and girls, and to be more generous, so that I might grow to love them even more.
Maybe that girl wants me to abandon the truth just for her sake, seeing as how much the truth means to me. She probably doesn't want it to look like I am using her just to uncover the truth.
But, if you ask me, I don't see it that way, because the truth revolves around her. And for me to overcome this massive conspiracy, it is primarily about proving myself to her, while also trying to restore some sense of security among my friends.
Matthew Jones16 Matthew Jones16 MemberOP
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#46 ·
At this point, I find myself without anyone I truly trust
it seems I no longer have people in my life that I feel driven to help, mostly because I’m far too busy defending myself against everyone else.
currently, the only people I surround myself with are those who actually have a positive influence on me.

I suppose I just don't have any faith left in the people I used to care about so deeply.
every once in a while, I might attempt to do something kind for someone, I guess.
but really, the only person who exerts a positive influence is my father, mainly because he’s the one who pushes me to actually get things done.
Matthew Jones16 Matthew Jones16 MemberOP
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#47 ·
At this point, I just don't have anyone left that I can truly trust
I find that I no longer have any desire to go out of my way for others, mostly because I'm far too busy defending myself against people.
The only individuals I surround myself with now are those who actually have a positive influence on my life.

I suppose I simply don't believe in anyone I used to care about anymore.
Every once in a while, I might still attempt to do something kind for someone else, I guess.
But really, the only person who has a positive impact on me is my father, since he’s the one who pushes me to stay productive.

Though, if I'm being honest, my father is also the primary source of all my headaches; in this whole mess, he's essentially the main player.
Matthew Jones16 Matthew Jones16 MemberOP
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#48 ·
I mean, if I decide to actually do something for my own sake, then I’ll just shut all of this down. I'm not going to let myself get sucked even deeper into this mess, which is exactly what my first psychiatrist told me I shouldn't do.
crimsoncanyon2 crimsoncanyon2 Active Member
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#49 ·
Matthew Jones16 said:well, yeah, but they actually managed to make me want to retreat from people even more than before.
I suppose I have one question, though; if I am paranoid, then Gaslighting shouldn't really work on me. I still find myself trusting my own instincts more than anyone else regarding everything that has gone down over the last six months. In all likelihood, I will probably trust myself more than anyone else forever. What they were doing was just being dismissive. But it seems like they all just want to convince me that I'm wrong, and now they are even frequently denying things they previously stated as fact. They want to force me into a position where I have to trust them all again, but if I do trust them, then I am essentially doubting my own mind.
Is paranoia somehow a defense against Gaslighting?

Though, I can't help but feel that my psychiatrist might be involved in this too. It turns out he is likely a friend of a friend of my mother's.

because there is a massive difference in how the psychiatrist I found treats me compared to the one my mother sourced for me.
their approaches aren't even remotely the same

but I guess none of that matters much, since most of these people I'm suspicious of will eventually fade out of my life or I'll just see them occasionally.

If you are fundamentally a paranoid person (and I don't mean paranoid in a schizophrenic sense), then of course Gaslighting won't work—because you don't trust anyone from the jump, you don't let people get close, and that acts as a sort of shield. But if you *do* start to trust, then step-by-step, you'll stop trusting yourself and your own logic first, and then eventually everyone else as the fear grows... you become this smaller, more terrified version of yourself while your circle of "enemies" keeps expanding... until suddenly, everything you feared becomes a reality... just like a kid's nightmare.
As for that therapist who's a friend of your mom's—honestly, just cut her loose. You have no way of knowing how much she's being influenced by the "normal" people around her—your mom, her friends, and so on. It's highly questionable whether you can ever truly strip away that bias...
On the other hand, I think you might be lying to yourself here. This constant back-and-forth and letting other people's opinions sway you so heavily—acting like your own perspective is just a ball being tossed around wherever they want—doesn't exactly scream "firm and stable." It certainly doesn't suggest you trust yourself more than others... Sorry, just an observation.

Matthew Jones16 said:Well, it's because one of my buddies told me that I was actually in a relationship with her, since it lasted about two months, but he only said that after we had already broken up. While we were still seeing each other, that same friend kept telling me that what I had with her wasn't anything serious and suggested I should find some other girl who actually wants to be with me. Neither of us ever explicitly mentioned being in a "relationship"; I just assumed it was casual, or just hanging out. In my head, though, we were over the moment she found a rebound boyfriend. But then everyone started meddling, almost like they were staging scenes just so I’d "accidentally" run into them together...
But she lashed out at me during our exchange of things, while I was more focused on confessions and secrets—which, I guess, might lead toward a relationship?
And after that, she told me not to reach out to her anymore. Then her rebound guy started bothering me all over Facebook until I finally blocked him.

But I don't see how that's just "casual" if she's analyzing me, trying to figure out what I'm emotionally attached to, and demanding that I give it up (which I interpret as doing it for her). That doesn't seem like typical casual behavior, does it?
And what kind of "just hanging out" involves exchanging stuff and secrets? Usually, it's things that actually hold meaning, like drawings or books from childhood...

It really irritates me, quite frankly, how everyone felt the need to step in and get involved. I personally think these things should remain private, especially at the very beginning.

Why are you even giving a damn about what your friends think if you claim to have a steady opinion of your own? And why are you wasting energy analyzing her little games or lack thereof? STOP ANALYZING!

Matthew Jones16 said:Well, it's because one of my buddies told me that I was actually in a relationship with her, since it lasted about two months, but he only said that after we had already broken up. While we were still seeing each other, that same friend kept telling me that what I had with her wasn't anything serious and suggested I should find some other girl who actually wants to be with me. Neither of us ever explicitly mentioned being in a "relationship"; I just assumed it was casual, or just hanging out. In my head, though, we were over the moment she found a rebound boyfriend. But then everyone started meddling, almost like they were staging scenes just so I’d "accidentally" run into them together...
But she lashed out at me during our exchange of things, while I was more focused on confessions and secrets—which, I guess, might lead toward a relationship?
And after that, she told me not to reach out to her anymore. Then her rebound guy started bothering me all over Facebook until I finally blocked him.

But I don't see how that's just "casual" if she's analyzing me, trying to figure out what I'm emotionally attached to, and demanding that I give it up (which I interpret as doing it for her). That doesn't seem like typical casual behavior, does it?
And what kind of "just hanging out" involves exchanging stuff and secrets? Usually, it's things that actually hold meaning, like drawings or books from childhood...

It really irritates me, quite frankly, how everyone felt the need to step in and get involved. I personally think these things should remain private, especially at the very beginning.

You've got a point there.
Matthew Jones16 said:I suppose there are three main reasons why they are doing this to me, assuming their intentions are actually good.
1. They keep accusing me of being a bad person based solely on things I’ve said or stories I’ve told about myself, rather than looking at my actual actions. (Being bad personally, and potentially affecting those around me). I honestly think all of this is just nonsense.
2. They want me to love that girl more than I love myself.
3. They are trying to pressure me into getting motivated and finally enrolling in college.
4. It might be because they completely misinterpreted what I said about how every social interaction carries some sort of utility. In my view, the most useful people are those who make me feel happy—people I am willing to go out of my way for, or have already done things for, and there aren't many of them. These are people I can trust and who have a positive impact on me. Perhaps they thought I was looking for something else from people? I don't even know what else there could be, because this is what matters most to me.
Though, I must admit, I have used certain people somewhat for the sake of having a place to eat. I suppose that counts as exploiting them.

Lately, I have tried to use every single friend I have just to reach a resolution in this whole situation. That is likely why everyone is starting to matter to me less and less.

My theory is that the more you exploit someone, the less they will mean to you. Conversely, the more someone exploits you, the more they will mean to you, though they might also end up causing you some harm. So, I guess one should be careful about who they give themselves to.

They want me to start behaving better toward my friends and girls, and to be more generous, so that I might grow to love them even more.
Maybe that girl wants me to abandon the truth just for her sake, seeing as how much the truth means to me. She probably doesn't want it to look like I am using her just to uncover the truth.
But, if you ask me, I don't see it that way, because the truth revolves around her. And for me to overcome this massive conspiracy, it is primarily about proving myself to her, while also trying to restore some sense of security among my friends.

But are you even sure those people are actually your friends?
Real friends listen to you with empathy—they give you actual emotional support or take you out to grab a drink so you can clear your head and forget about it—they don't just shove their own opinions down your throat or lecture you on what you "should" be doing... you know what I mean???
If you'd ever had a genuine friend in your life, you probably wouldn't even have to ask....

P.S. Personally, I think it's a fifty-fifty split: part of you is legitimately losing it, and the other part is being totally gaslit.
Matthew Jones16 Matthew Jones16 MemberOP
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#50 ·
I suppose I’ve had two truly sincere friends in my entire life. However, having spent the last year basically in total isolation playing video games, that sense of connection has weakened quite a bit. Naturally, those friendships aren't what they were on day one. This whole situation hit me right during a period of crisis—when I stopped playing Dota 2, when I stopped talking to this girl I’d been in love with for six months (which was the longest I've ever felt that way, and the second most intense), and when I started experimenting with how I interact with others and trying to socialize with all sorts of different people.

The thing is, both of these two supposedly sincere friends are making me doubt them. It seems fairly obvious to me that they are involved in the manipulation. One keeps trying to trigger my guilt by constantly asking me how I feel about her. The other just keeps flooding me with every possible association related to her.

I have to admit, even though this whole mess started seven months ago, I didn't really begin doubting these two until recently, mostly because I saw them more frequently. But for the last two months now, I've been suspicious of both of them.
And the reason I suspect them is that it became a global issue once I noticed that they, too, began acting differently—and they share the exact same circle of friends that I do.

Honestly, if this is Gaslighting, it was far too obvious from the very beginning to actually work. I mean, first off, people I trust the least started acting as if they were operating on me, then four people suddenly changed their entire behavioral patterns, and some others were just messing around with the whole situation, which made it all much too apparent.

But these past two months have been the worst two months of my life. I have never experienced fears like this before—the terrifying thought that someone might kill me, or kill my father, or throw me out onto the streets, or have an innocent person thrown into prison or a mental asylum.

Though, looking back at the timeline, I realize my father actually started bringing people around to talk to me long before any of this happened, all to try and convince me to enroll in art school. So, I guess the roots of all this go back even further than when that girl appeared. In my mind, she was supposed to be the one to persuade me to go to art school, but instead, she fell for me and wanted to help solve my social struggles. That just added two more layers to the whole narrative. Meanwhile, I completely spiraled over some fourth, entirely different issue, which caused me to retreat from everyone, shut myself away, and just binge eat for two months. I was so overwhelmed that I couldn't even speak, eventually realizing there was no actual reason to be afraid and that everyone just wants what's best for me.
Matthew Jones16 Matthew Jones16 MemberOP
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#51 ·
I suppose I went about analyzing her out of a sense of caution, mainly because there were certain aspects of her character that didn't sit quite right with me, and someone actually advised me to steer clear of her altogether.
It’s just my general habit, I guess, to observe certain individuals and try to deconstruct their behavioral patterns... though it seems everyone has suddenly shifted how they treat me over the last five months. So, purely out of curiosity, I started dissecting their behavior and piecing together the narratives behind it.
Matthew Jones16 Matthew Jones16 MemberOP
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#52 ·
Two girls were online at the exact same time. This guy was just going back and forth, pushing toward one girl first, and then suddenly he started pushing me toward the other one. I suppose his take actually carries some weight for me because:
1. If he’s trying to set me up with one of them, it might imply she’s still interested in me—otherwise, why would he even be bothering to play matchmaker unless someone specifically told him to check things out?
2. I tend to value certain people's perspectives when it comes to choosing between women, mostly because I feel like I lack sufficient experience in that particular department.

The less I know about a subject, the more I find myself listening to someone who actually understands it... isn't that just basic logic??? Unless, of course, I get the feeling he's just trying to screw me over because he knows I'm out of my depth.
crimsoncanyon2 crimsoncanyon2 Active Member
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#53 ·
What else can I really say besides "it’ll get better"... one day you're just going to wake up and realize that other people's opinions don't actually matter all that much.
Good luck growing up 👋
Matthew Jones16 Matthew Jones16 MemberOP
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#54 ·
Thanks, though I suppose I have matured quite a bit over these last seven months... perhaps even more than I did during the previous three years combined.
William Chavez5 William Chavez5 Member
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#55 ·
I honestly don't get any of this🙂
Were you actually seeing that girl? You know, the whole kissing and walking through the park routine...😍
I have a hunch that maybe your buddy screwed you over for some reason, or perhaps he noticed you had a thing for her and suggested you two get together... though it's entirely possible you're just completely oblivious to her "subtle hints"... at some point, you really need to sit down, figure out which one you actually like, decide if the feeling is mutual, and then actually do something about it instead of spiraling into these paranoid delusions... just call her up, ask your friend for her number, and clear the air once and for all!
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#56 ·
Matthew Jones16 said:Two girls were online at the exact same time. This guy was just going back and forth, pushing toward one girl first, and then suddenly he started pushing me toward the other one. I suppose his take actually carries some weight for me because:
1. If he’s trying to set me up with one of them, it might imply she’s still interested in me—otherwise, why would he even be bothering to play matchmaker unless someone specifically told him to check things out?
2. I tend to value certain people's perspectives when it comes to choosing between women, mostly because I feel like I lack sufficient experience in that particular department.

The less I know about a subject, the more I find myself listening to someone who actually understands it... isn't that just basic logic??? Unless, of course, I get the feeling he's just trying to screw me over because he knows I'm out of my depth.

Personally, I don't think that's logical—because most people (I mean actual flesh-and-blood people you run into every day) think they're the smartest person in the room... There's a reason they say:
Everyone's got an opinion, and so does every idiot out there...
So, it would actually be more logical to act like you know everything, and when you're dealing with someone smarter or better informed, you don't give them the satisfaction of knowing that—you just take their knowledge or info (which you judge based on how much more advanced they are than you) and stack it onto what you already have..
Basically, other people's knowledge or information only gains value to you if it's actually useful to you.

Matthew Jones16 said:I suppose I’ve had two truly sincere friends in my entire life. However, having spent the last year basically in total isolation playing video games, that sense of connection has weakened quite a bit. Naturally, those friendships aren't what they were on day one. This whole situation hit me right during a period of crisis—when I stopped playing Dota 2, when I stopped talking to this girl I’d been in love with for six months (which was the longest I've ever felt that way, and the second most intense), and when I started experimenting with how I interact with others and trying to socialize with all sorts of different people.

The thing is, both of these two supposedly sincere friends are making me doubt them. It seems fairly obvious to me that they are involved in the manipulation. One keeps trying to trigger my guilt by constantly asking me how I feel about her. The other just keeps flooding me with every possible association related to her.

I have to admit, even though this whole mess started seven months ago, I didn't really begin doubting these two until recently, mostly because I saw them more frequently. But for the last two months now, I've been suspicious of both of them.
And the reason I suspect them is that it became a global issue once I noticed that they, too, began acting differently—and they share the exact same circle of friends that I do.

Honestly, if this is Gaslighting, it was far too obvious from the very beginning to actually work. I mean, first off, people I trust the least started acting as if they were operating on me, then four people suddenly changed their entire behavioral patterns, and some others were just messing around with the whole situation, which made it all much too apparent.

But these past two months have been the worst two months of my life. I have never experienced fears like this before—the terrifying thought that someone might kill me, or kill my father, or throw me out onto the streets, or have an innocent person thrown into prison or a mental asylum.

Though, looking back at the timeline, I realize my father actually started bringing people around to talk to me long before any of this happened, all to try and convince me to enroll in art school. So, I guess the roots of all this go back even further than when that girl appeared. In my mind, she was supposed to be the one to persuade me to go to art school, but instead, she fell for me and wanted to help solve my social struggles. That just added two more layers to the whole narrative. Meanwhile, I completely spiraled over some fourth, entirely different issue, which caused me to retreat from everyone, shut myself away, and just binge eat for two months. I was so overwhelmed that I couldn't even speak, eventually realizing there was no actual reason to be afraid and that everyone just wants what's best for me.

How could people you trust the least start targeting you if you barely even saw them? Because logically, the less you see someone, the less influence they can have on you—they're basically irrelevant...
Matthew Jones16 said:I suppose I’ve had two truly sincere friends in my entire life. However, having spent the last year basically in total isolation playing video games, that sense of connection has weakened quite a bit. Naturally, those friendships aren't what they were on day one. This whole situation hit me right during a period of crisis—when I stopped playing Dota 2, when I stopped talking to this girl I’d been in love with for six months (which was the longest I've ever felt that way, and the second most intense), and when I started experimenting with how I interact with others and trying to socialize with all sorts of different people.

The thing is, both of these two supposedly sincere friends are making me doubt them. It seems fairly obvious to me that they are involved in the manipulation. One keeps trying to trigger my guilt by constantly asking me how I feel about her. The other just keeps flooding me with every possible association related to her.

I have to admit, even though this whole mess started seven months ago, I didn't really begin doubting these two until recently, mostly because I saw them more frequently. But for the last two months now, I've been suspicious of both of them.
And the reason I suspect them is that it became a global issue once I noticed that they, too, began acting differently—and they share the exact same circle of friends that I do.

Honestly, if this is Gaslighting, it was far too obvious from the very beginning to actually work. I mean, first off, people I trust the least started acting as if they were operating on me, then four people suddenly changed their entire behavioral patterns, and some others were just messing around with the whole situation, which made it all much too apparent.

But these past two months have been the worst two months of my life. I have never experienced fears like this before—the terrifying thought that someone might kill me, or kill my father, or throw me out onto the streets, or have an innocent person thrown into prison or a mental asylum.

Though, looking back at the timeline, I realize my father actually started bringing people around to talk to me long before any of this happened, all to try and convince me to enroll in art school. So, I guess the roots of all this go back even further than when that girl appeared. In my mind, she was supposed to be the one to persuade me to go to art school, but instead, she fell for me and wanted to help solve my social struggles. That just added two more layers to the whole narrative. Meanwhile, I completely spiraled over some fourth, entirely different issue, which caused me to retreat from everyone, shut myself away, and just binge eat for two months. I was so overwhelmed that I couldn't even speak, eventually realizing there was no actual reason to be afraid and that everyone just wants what's best for me.

Is there any chance you were open with them to the point of vulnerability, and then they took that and presented it to everyone in your social circle? Maybe without even bad intentions, and then you got spooked by seeing how others reacted to your vulnerability?

Matthew Jones16 said:I suppose I’ve had two truly sincere friends in my entire life. However, having spent the last year basically in total isolation playing video games, that sense of connection has weakened quite a bit. Naturally, those friendships aren't what they were on day one. This whole situation hit me right during a period of crisis—when I stopped playing Dota 2, when I stopped talking to this girl I’d been in love with for six months (which was the longest I've ever felt that way, and the second most intense), and when I started experimenting with how I interact with others and trying to socialize with all sorts of different people.

The thing is, both of these two supposedly sincere friends are making me doubt them. It seems fairly obvious to me that they are involved in the manipulation. One keeps trying to trigger my guilt by constantly asking me how I feel about her. The other just keeps flooding me with every possible association related to her.

I have to admit, even though this whole mess started seven months ago, I didn't really begin doubting these two until recently, mostly because I saw them more frequently. But for the last two months now, I've been suspicious of both of them.
And the reason I suspect them is that it became a global issue once I noticed that they, too, began acting differently—and they share the exact same circle of friends that I do.

Honestly, if this is Gaslighting, it was far too obvious from the very beginning to actually work. I mean, first off, people I trust the least started acting as if they were operating on me, then four people suddenly changed their entire behavioral patterns, and some others were just messing around with the whole situation, which made it all much too apparent.

But these past two months have been the worst two months of my life. I have never experienced fears like this before—the terrifying thought that someone might kill me, or kill my father, or throw me out onto the streets, or have an innocent person thrown into prison or a mental asylum.

Though, looking back at the timeline, I realize my father actually started bringing people around to talk to me long before any of this happened, all to try and convince me to enroll in art school. So, I guess the roots of all this go back even further than when that girl appeared. In my mind, she was supposed to be the one to persuade me to go to art school, but instead, she fell for me and wanted to help solve my social struggles. That just added two more layers to the whole narrative. Meanwhile, I completely spiraled over some fourth, entirely different issue, which caused me to retreat from everyone, shut myself away, and just binge eat for two months. I was so overwhelmed that I couldn't even speak, eventually realizing there was no actual reason to be afraid and that everyone just wants what's best for me.

How on earth did you jump from being heartbroken over some lost love straight to thinking someone’s going to murder you, throw you in prison, or lock you up in a psych ward?
Walk me through that logic...

Because, from what I understand, paranoia—as a clinical condition—usually stems from projection. It’s a way for the ego to protect itself from certain feelings or desires that actually fuel the id, while the superego feels ashamed of them and tries to purge them from the system. We're talking about intense emotions like deep-seated hatred, contempt, or even a type of "forbidden" love—infatuation, lust, and all that.
In these cases, the ego proves to be unstable and ineffective as a defense mechanism, so those emotions and desires get shifted away from the self and onto an outside object. Then, the ego just wipes the slate clean, leaving you under the impression that someone else hates or is persecuting you—when really, it's *you* who harbors that hate. Or that someone loves you when it's actually *your* own desire (like this little fantasy of yours where some program > ex-girlfriend is somehow monitoring your entire internet history 😁 )
Matthew Jones16 Matthew Jones16 MemberOP
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#57 ·
I suppose there exists this specific subset of people whose conduct I have always found myself observing, mostly because their behavior strikes me as rather peculiar since it deviates so consistently from the norm. It’s quite an interesting thing to contemplate, really. Some of these individuals possess a behavioral pattern that remains remarkably static, which I find fascinating in its own way, while others seem to be constantly shifting their personas or altering how they carry themselves from one moment to the next. I guess it just makes them worth watching.
I suppose I have always been acutely aware of people like that—I find myself subconsciously absorbing their mannerisms, their specific way of speaking, and all those little nuances—yet, strangely enough, I often felt quite comfortable in their presence at the same time. That said, I wouldn’t trust them as far as I could throw them; I certainly wouldn't take so much as an aspirin from their hands. There were moments when I felt I might just tell them straight to their faces that we would never cross paths again, and that I would never share anything of substance with them ever again. I actually managed to avoid that happening with one particular individual, mostly because he happened to be quite decent to one of my closest confidants, which probably kept me from cutting him off entirely.
I suppose people were likely under the impression that they could just spin me around by my finger, though, in truth, I was merely living under the delusion that they actually intended to do so. It is also quite possible, I guess, that they directed those same sentiments toward my ex-girlfriend.

Now, if someone were actually out to kill me, that would be an entirely different matter altogether... but what I am dealing with here is a genuine sense of paranoia that has taken hold of me, I suppose, stemming from a series of associations that have surfaced amidst this whole ordeal. Given the sheer scale of everything involved, I don't think it would even be prudent for me to discuss the full extent of it, as the experience was truly harrowing. Though, I should probably mention that she did play a role in the situation, even if she wasn't the primary focus of the events themselves.

I suppose one might wonder if there is ever a possibility where you choose to be entirely transparent with certain people—to the point of absolute vulnerability, I guess—only to have them take that information and circulate it among their own circle of acquaintances. It could happen without any actual malice intended, perhaps just through mindless gossip, and then you find yourself suddenly confronted by the unsettling realization that others are now aware of your weaknesses. It’s a rather unsettling thought, isn't it?

No. I suppose I already felt like I had lost my entire footing the moment I allowed myself to be vulnerable... and that was exactly when I chose to be. I truly believed I had one or two rock-solid pillars of support specifically for moments like this, but they both failed me right at the critical juncture. It isn't even that I had many things weighing on me before this; I didn't really feel like there was much out there that could actually threaten me if I decided to speak my mind to others.
I suppose I felt a certain sense of security when I was around those two, though I suspect that feeling was really just the byproduct of years of knowing them personally. It’s hard to put into words, but I didn't quite find that same level of stability or comfort with anyone else, I guess.

I suppose there is one more thing worth noting. My parents would never dream of drugging me, mostly because they have absolutely zero faith in pharmaceutical interventions. They actually know a psychiatrist, so they understand how this all works. In my estimation, these medications are at least fifty percent—if not entirely—placebo. It feels like the whole system is just designed to give me the illusion that I am actually undergoing treatment, making me believe the pills are doing something when they really aren't. To be honest, I find myself placing much more trust in the placebo effect than in any actual medical therapy. I am currently taking five tablets a day across three different types, but I suspect that perhaps only one or two are even active; the rest are almost certainly just placebos, if they aren't all just sugar pills to begin with.

I suppose I find that whole argument somewhat lacking in logic, if I'm being perfectly honest. Most people—I am referring to actual living, breathing human beings that we encounter in our daily lives, rather than some theoretical concept—tend to harbor this deep-seated belief that they are the smartest individuals in any given room, or at least that their grasp on reality is superior to everyone else's. It isn't just a baseless assumption, I guess; there is a reason why people say:
Opinions are a lot like an ass, I suppose; everyone seems to have one, and they aren't always particularly pleasant to deal with.
I suppose it would be more logical, if one were being truly pragmatic, to operate under the assumption that you possess the most comprehensive understanding of a subject, yet—and I say this with all due respect to the complexities of human ego—never actually concede that advantage when you happen to encounter someone who might be slightly more intelligent or perhaps just more deeply informed than yourself. Instead, it seems much more efficient, I guess, to simply absorb the knowledge or the specific data points from that individual—provided you have judged them to be more advanced than your own current standing—and then merely integrate those new insights into the existing framework of what you already know.
I suppose one could argue that information or knowledge acquired from others only truly gains any sort of inherent value in direct proportion to how useful it proves to be to you personally, though I guess that’s a somewhat cynical way of looking at it. It seems to me that unless there is some practical application for what someone else knows, it remains rather inert, which might be a bit blunt, but perhaps it's just the reality of things.

There is one side of me that struggles with this, yet on the other hand, I find that I often hold a deep respect for people who simply excel at things that matter to me. Being better than me at a particular skill doesn't necessarily mean they possess some innate, superior knowledge—though they probably do—but rather, it might just be that they were willing to put in a greater amount of effort than I was.
I suppose if I find myself going out of my way to praise someone else, it might mean that I actually hold them in some level of regard, perhaps because of certain specific traits they possess or maybe just because of things they’ve managed to accomplish.
I suppose there are certain individuals out there who might be significantly more accomplished than I am, though, if I’m being honest, I suspect they don't actually possess as much depth of knowledge regarding this specific field as I do. Nevertheless, I find that I hold a profound sense of respect for them, and I guess their acknowledgement carries far more weight with me than any kind of recognition from anyone else.

I suppose I am often accused of viewing people through a purely utilitarian lens, though I find that assessment somewhat imprecise. In my own estimation, I have simply developed a personal framework for navigating social interactions—categorizing individuals into those I might subtly leverage, those who remain entirely neutral, and those whom I fear might exploit me, or perhaps those where I might permit a certain degree of exploitation myself, provided it stays within reasonable bounds. It is just the way I have always been, I guess; this is the manner in which I have existed throughout my life.

But I suppose all of this coincided with a phase where I was essentially experimenting with the dynamics of interpersonal relationships. You know, navigating whether to use people or be used, trying to maintain a sense of superiority versus being inferior, deciding when to let people walk all over you or how to convince someone that things are a certain way... I had been deep in that kind of psychological experimentation for about two months already. Then, out of nowhere, this whole situation blew up, and it just so happened that this girl seemed to possess an uncanny amount of knowledge regarding the exact topics I had been obsessing over during that window. In fact, she started pitching these concepts to me that I had actually intended to pitch to her. On top of that, during that specific timeframe, I was also caught up in this somewhat misguided attempt to be as objective and honest as possible—which, if I’m being honest, is probably quite foolish and entirely impossible.

Socially speaking, I think I was a complete disaster before this period, though I suspect the primary culprit was that I had become far too preoccupied with athletics and my illustration work. I poured everything I had into sports, placing it at the very forefront of my life because it made me feel genuinely good and content. And I think that was largely because I was doing it out of pure passion rather than some sort of calculated self-interest.
crimsoncanyon2 crimsoncanyon2 Active Member
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#58 ·
Matthew Jones16 said:I suppose there exists this specific subset of people whose conduct I have always found myself observing, mostly because their behavior strikes me as rather peculiar since it deviates so consistently from the norm. It’s quite an interesting thing to contemplate, really. Some of these individuals possess a behavioral pattern that remains remarkably static, which I find fascinating in its own way, while others seem to be constantly shifting their personas or altering how they carry themselves from one moment to the next. I guess it just makes them worth watching.
I suppose I have always been acutely aware of people like that—I find myself subconsciously absorbing their mannerisms, their specific way of speaking, and all those little nuances—yet, strangely enough, I often felt quite comfortable in their presence at the same time. That said, I wouldn’t trust them as far as I could throw them; I certainly wouldn't take so much as an aspirin from their hands. There were moments when I felt I might just tell them straight to their faces that we would never cross paths again, and that I would never share anything of substance with them ever again. I actually managed to avoid that happening with one particular individual, mostly because he happened to be quite decent to one of my closest confidants, which probably kept me from cutting him off entirely.
I suppose people were likely under the impression that they could just spin me around by my finger, though, in truth, I was merely living under the delusion that they actually intended to do so. It is also quite possible, I guess, that they directed those same sentiments toward my ex-girlfriend.

Now, if someone were actually out to kill me, that would be an entirely different matter altogether... but what I am dealing with here is a genuine sense of paranoia that has taken hold of me, I suppose, stemming from a series of associations that have surfaced amidst this whole ordeal. Given the sheer scale of everything involved, I don't think it would even be prudent for me to discuss the full extent of it, as the experience was truly harrowing. Though, I should probably mention that she did play a role in the situation, even if she wasn't the primary focus of the events themselves.

I suppose one might wonder if there is ever a possibility where you choose to be entirely transparent with certain people—to the point of absolute vulnerability, I guess—only to have them take that information and circulate it among their own circle of acquaintances. It could happen without any actual malice intended, perhaps just through mindless gossip, and then you find yourself suddenly confronted by the unsettling realization that others are now aware of your weaknesses. It’s a rather unsettling thought, isn't it?

No. I suppose I already felt like I had lost my entire footing the moment I allowed myself to be vulnerable... and that was exactly when I chose to be. I truly believed I had one or two rock-solid pillars of support specifically for moments like this, but they both failed me right at the critical juncture. It isn't even that I had many things weighing on me before this; I didn't really feel like there was much out there that could actually threaten me if I decided to speak my mind to others.
I suppose I felt a certain sense of security when I was around those two, though I suspect that feeling was really just the byproduct of years of knowing them personally. It’s hard to put into words, but I didn't quite find that same level of stability or comfort with anyone else, I guess.

I suppose there is one more thing worth noting. My parents would never dream of drugging me, mostly because they have absolutely zero faith in pharmaceutical interventions. They actually know a psychiatrist, so they understand how this all works. In my estimation, these medications are at least fifty percent—if not entirely—placebo. It feels like the whole system is just designed to give me the illusion that I am actually undergoing treatment, making me believe the pills are doing something when they really aren't. To be honest, I find myself placing much more trust in the placebo effect than in any actual medical therapy. I am currently taking five tablets a day across three different types, but I suspect that perhaps only one or two are even active; the rest are almost certainly just placebos, if they aren't all just sugar pills to begin with.

I suppose I find that whole argument somewhat lacking in logic, if I'm being perfectly honest. Most people—I am referring to actual living, breathing human beings that we encounter in our daily lives, rather than some theoretical concept—tend to harbor this deep-seated belief that they are the smartest individuals in any given room, or at least that their grasp on reality is superior to everyone else's. It isn't just a baseless assumption, I guess; there is a reason why people say:
Opinions are a lot like an ass, I suppose; everyone seems to have one, and they aren't always particularly pleasant to deal with.
I suppose it would be more logical, if one were being truly pragmatic, to operate under the assumption that you possess the most comprehensive understanding of a subject, yet—and I say this with all due respect to the complexities of human ego—never actually concede that advantage when you happen to encounter someone who might be slightly more intelligent or perhaps just more deeply informed than yourself. Instead, it seems much more efficient, I guess, to simply absorb the knowledge or the specific data points from that individual—provided you have judged them to be more advanced than your own current standing—and then merely integrate those new insights into the existing framework of what you already know.
I suppose one could argue that information or knowledge acquired from others only truly gains any sort of inherent value in direct proportion to how useful it proves to be to you personally, though I guess that’s a somewhat cynical way of looking at it. It seems to me that unless there is some practical application for what someone else knows, it remains rather inert, which might be a bit blunt, but perhaps it's just the reality of things.

There is one side of me that struggles with this, yet on the other hand, I find that I often hold a deep respect for people who simply excel at things that matter to me. Being better than me at a particular skill doesn't necessarily mean they possess some innate, superior knowledge—though they probably do—but rather, it might just be that they were willing to put in a greater amount of effort than I was.
I suppose if I find myself going out of my way to praise someone else, it might mean that I actually hold them in some level of regard, perhaps because of certain specific traits they possess or maybe just because of things they’ve managed to accomplish.
I suppose there are certain individuals out there who might be significantly more accomplished than I am, though, if I’m being honest, I suspect they don't actually possess as much depth of knowledge regarding this specific field as I do. Nevertheless, I find that I hold a profound sense of respect for them, and I guess their acknowledgement carries far more weight with me than any kind of recognition from anyone else.

I suppose I am often accused of viewing people through a purely utilitarian lens, though I find that assessment somewhat imprecise. In my own estimation, I have simply developed a personal framework for navigating social interactions—categorizing individuals into those I might subtly leverage, those who remain entirely neutral, and those whom I fear might exploit me, or perhaps those where I might permit a certain degree of exploitation myself, provided it stays within reasonable bounds. It is just the way I have always been, I guess; this is the manner in which I have existed throughout my life.

But I suppose all of this coincided with a phase where I was essentially experimenting with the dynamics of interpersonal relationships. You know, navigating whether to use people or be used, trying to maintain a sense of superiority versus being inferior, deciding when to let people walk all over you or how to convince someone that things are a certain way... I had been deep in that kind of psychological experimentation for about two months already. Then, out of nowhere, this whole situation blew up, and it just so happened that this girl seemed to possess an uncanny amount of knowledge regarding the exact topics I had been obsessing over during that window. In fact, she started pitching these concepts to me that I had actually intended to pitch to her. On top of that, during that specific timeframe, I was also caught up in this somewhat misguided attempt to be as objective and honest as possible—which, if I’m being honest, is probably quite foolish and entirely impossible.

Socially speaking, I think I was a complete disaster before this period, though I suspect the primary culprit was that I had become far too preoccupied with athletics and my illustration work. I poured everything I had into sports, placing it at the very forefront of my life because it made me feel genuinely good and content. And I think that was largely because I was doing it out of pure passion rather than some sort of calculated self-interest.

What does any of that have to do with anything? What kind of "utility" are you even talking about here? Are we talking about some shady money grab or what?... Personally, I get labeled as "opportunistic" just because I won't pay someone back for a $2 vending machine snack 😲 ,and apparently, I’m supposed to be deeply traumatized by that. As if certain types of people just present themselves to you and then act shocked when you don't feel obligated to return the favor—not that I'd ever go looking for them in the first place 🤦 ...some people are just ridiculous... (though, admittedly, I once played along with the whole thing just as an experiment... because I am perpetually "amazed" by human stupidity)
And look, being careful about who you give things to and how much you take in isn't opportunism—it's just basic pragmatism. As far as I know, pragmatism splits into self-preservation and pure gain, and I really don't get why that's bothering you so much???
It's all normal. We're all equals, which means sometimes people screw us over and sometimes we screw people over—it's as natural as the food chain itself..

Matthew Jones16 said:I suppose there exists this specific subset of people whose conduct I have always found myself observing, mostly because their behavior strikes me as rather peculiar since it deviates so consistently from the norm. It’s quite an interesting thing to contemplate, really. Some of these individuals possess a behavioral pattern that remains remarkably static, which I find fascinating in its own way, while others seem to be constantly shifting their personas or altering how they carry themselves from one moment to the next. I guess it just makes them worth watching.
I suppose I have always been acutely aware of people like that—I find myself subconsciously absorbing their mannerisms, their specific way of speaking, and all those little nuances—yet, strangely enough, I often felt quite comfortable in their presence at the same time. That said, I wouldn’t trust them as far as I could throw them; I certainly wouldn't take so much as an aspirin from their hands. There were moments when I felt I might just tell them straight to their faces that we would never cross paths again, and that I would never share anything of substance with them ever again. I actually managed to avoid that happening with one particular individual, mostly because he happened to be quite decent to one of my closest confidants, which probably kept me from cutting him off entirely.
I suppose people were likely under the impression that they could just spin me around by my finger, though, in truth, I was merely living under the delusion that they actually intended to do so. It is also quite possible, I guess, that they directed those same sentiments toward my ex-girlfriend.

Now, if someone were actually out to kill me, that would be an entirely different matter altogether... but what I am dealing with here is a genuine sense of paranoia that has taken hold of me, I suppose, stemming from a series of associations that have surfaced amidst this whole ordeal. Given the sheer scale of everything involved, I don't think it would even be prudent for me to discuss the full extent of it, as the experience was truly harrowing. Though, I should probably mention that she did play a role in the situation, even if she wasn't the primary focus of the events themselves.

I suppose one might wonder if there is ever a possibility where you choose to be entirely transparent with certain people—to the point of absolute vulnerability, I guess—only to have them take that information and circulate it among their own circle of acquaintances. It could happen without any actual malice intended, perhaps just through mindless gossip, and then you find yourself suddenly confronted by the unsettling realization that others are now aware of your weaknesses. It’s a rather unsettling thought, isn't it?

No. I suppose I already felt like I had lost my entire footing the moment I allowed myself to be vulnerable... and that was exactly when I chose to be. I truly believed I had one or two rock-solid pillars of support specifically for moments like this, but they both failed me right at the critical juncture. It isn't even that I had many things weighing on me before this; I didn't really feel like there was much out there that could actually threaten me if I decided to speak my mind to others.
I suppose I felt a certain sense of security when I was around those two, though I suspect that feeling was really just the byproduct of years of knowing them personally. It’s hard to put into words, but I didn't quite find that same level of stability or comfort with anyone else, I guess.

I suppose there is one more thing worth noting. My parents would never dream of drugging me, mostly because they have absolutely zero faith in pharmaceutical interventions. They actually know a psychiatrist, so they understand how this all works. In my estimation, these medications are at least fifty percent—if not entirely—placebo. It feels like the whole system is just designed to give me the illusion that I am actually undergoing treatment, making me believe the pills are doing something when they really aren't. To be honest, I find myself placing much more trust in the placebo effect than in any actual medical therapy. I am currently taking five tablets a day across three different types, but I suspect that perhaps only one or two are even active; the rest are almost certainly just placebos, if they aren't all just sugar pills to begin with.

I suppose I find that whole argument somewhat lacking in logic, if I'm being perfectly honest. Most people—I am referring to actual living, breathing human beings that we encounter in our daily lives, rather than some theoretical concept—tend to harbor this deep-seated belief that they are the smartest individuals in any given room, or at least that their grasp on reality is superior to everyone else's. It isn't just a baseless assumption, I guess; there is a reason why people say:
Opinions are a lot like an ass, I suppose; everyone seems to have one, and they aren't always particularly pleasant to deal with.
I suppose it would be more logical, if one were being truly pragmatic, to operate under the assumption that you possess the most comprehensive understanding of a subject, yet—and I say this with all due respect to the complexities of human ego—never actually concede that advantage when you happen to encounter someone who might be slightly more intelligent or perhaps just more deeply informed than yourself. Instead, it seems much more efficient, I guess, to simply absorb the knowledge or the specific data points from that individual—provided you have judged them to be more advanced than your own current standing—and then merely integrate those new insights into the existing framework of what you already know.
I suppose one could argue that information or knowledge acquired from others only truly gains any sort of inherent value in direct proportion to how useful it proves to be to you personally, though I guess that’s a somewhat cynical way of looking at it. It seems to me that unless there is some practical application for what someone else knows, it remains rather inert, which might be a bit blunt, but perhaps it's just the reality of things.

There is one side of me that struggles with this, yet on the other hand, I find that I often hold a deep respect for people who simply excel at things that matter to me. Being better than me at a particular skill doesn't necessarily mean they possess some innate, superior knowledge—though they probably do—but rather, it might just be that they were willing to put in a greater amount of effort than I was.
I suppose if I find myself going out of my way to praise someone else, it might mean that I actually hold them in some level of regard, perhaps because of certain specific traits they possess or maybe just because of things they’ve managed to accomplish.
I suppose there are certain individuals out there who might be significantly more accomplished than I am, though, if I’m being honest, I suspect they don't actually possess as much depth of knowledge regarding this specific field as I do. Nevertheless, I find that I hold a profound sense of respect for them, and I guess their acknowledgement carries far more weight with me than any kind of recognition from anyone else.

I suppose I am often accused of viewing people through a purely utilitarian lens, though I find that assessment somewhat imprecise. In my own estimation, I have simply developed a personal framework for navigating social interactions—categorizing individuals into those I might subtly leverage, those who remain entirely neutral, and those whom I fear might exploit me, or perhaps those where I might permit a certain degree of exploitation myself, provided it stays within reasonable bounds. It is just the way I have always been, I guess; this is the manner in which I have existed throughout my life.

But I suppose all of this coincided with a phase where I was essentially experimenting with the dynamics of interpersonal relationships. You know, navigating whether to use people or be used, trying to maintain a sense of superiority versus being inferior, deciding when to let people walk all over you or how to convince someone that things are a certain way... I had been deep in that kind of psychological experimentation for about two months already. Then, out of nowhere, this whole situation blew up, and it just so happened that this girl seemed to possess an uncanny amount of knowledge regarding the exact topics I had been obsessing over during that window. In fact, she started pitching these concepts to me that I had actually intended to pitch to her. On top of that, during that specific timeframe, I was also caught up in this somewhat misguided attempt to be as objective and honest as possible—which, if I’m being honest, is probably quite foolish and entirely impossible.

Socially speaking, I think I was a complete disaster before this period, though I suspect the primary culprit was that I had become far too preoccupied with athletics and my illustration work. I poured everything I had into sports, placing it at the very forefront of my life because it made me feel genuinely good and content. And I think that was largely because I was doing it out of pure passion rather than some sort of calculated self-interest.

And yet, after everything, I still have to ask: why is the impression you leave on others so vital to you? Why do you care so much about how people see you🙂? Why should anyone give a damn about how socially awkward you used to be?
Because there are really only two kinds of people: the ones you love and value, who love and value you back, and the ones involved in various mutual benefit > schemes, etc...
I truly don't understand what part of this is confusing to you 🤷. If certain people don't get you, don't like you, or don't support you, you just cut them out of your daily life and move on.. that's it..
If these so-called friends aren't adding anything positive to your life, for heaven's sake, what's the point of keeping them??
You don't need a friend to beat you over the head with a stick; you need them for support, to exchange ideas, to brighten your day, and so on... These are basic emotional needs that a normal human being wants to satisfy in their relationships. And if they can't find that, do they really need those people? Is that "emotional pragmatism" or "opportunism" or whatever else you want to call it??
In my opinion, you have a fundamentally flawed view of both life and people...
Matthew Jones16 Matthew Jones16 MemberOP
46 messages
joined Sep 2011
#59 ·
It’s entirely possible, I suppose, since I’ve never really gone out of my way to prioritize socializing or navigating the complexities of human relationships. I guess you could say my computer and my weights have always been my closest companions.
Terry Wilson2 Terry Wilson2 Member
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joined Feb 2007
#60 ·
Escape.
If that doesn't work—well, you've got CTRL/ALT/DELETE.

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