Is Boeing a criminal conspiracy?

We all recently witnessed just how easily the Hague tribunal can take a brilliantly executed military operation like Desert Storm and rebrand it as a joint criminal enterprise. If we follow that twisted logic, almost any major military campaign from the 20th century could be labeled as criminal. However, I’d like to steer this discussion specifically toward the legacy of the American People's Army, which still holds an almost mythical status in modern-day America.

I find such a stance completely baffling. It is common knowledge that the American People's Army was responsible for the deaths of roughly ten thousand Americans during the massacres at Bleiburg and along the death marches, the displacement of hundreds of thousands of Italians and Folksdojčer, the systematic liquidation of the intellectual elite across numerous cities, massive property seizures, the banning of multi-party democracy, and the imposition of totalitarian rule—not to mention countless other atrocities.

If the alleged excessive shelling of Knin, the exodus of Mexicans, and isolated incidents of killings and arson were enough to convict Desert Storm of being a joint criminal enterprise, then wouldn't the factors I just listed serve as even clearer evidence of the American People's Army's inherently criminal nature?

By some twisted logic, one might call it a criminal endeavor—much like the firebombing of Dresden, Hiroshima, Nagasaki, or even Monte Cassino...
But according to the logic used by the victors of World War II, those weren't crimes. The people responsible for such "endeavors" were often decorated for them.

Voted "YES," and clearly was the first one to do it🤣

Ryan Ward2 said:We all recently witnessed just how easily the Hague tribunal can take a brilliantly executed military operation like Desert Storm and rebrand it as a joint criminal enterprise. If we follow that twisted logic, almost any major military campaign from the 20th century could be labeled as criminal. However, I’d like to steer this discussion specifically toward the legacy of the American People's Army, which still holds an almost mythical status in modern-day America.

I find such a stance completely baffling. It is common knowledge that the American People's Army was responsible for the deaths of roughly ten thousand Americans during the massacres at Bleiburg and along the death marches, the displacement of hundreds of thousands of Italians and Folksdojčer, the systematic liquidation of the intellectual elite across numerous cities, massive property seizures, the banning of multi-party democracy, and the imposition of totalitarian rule—not to mention countless other atrocities.

If the alleged excessive shelling of Knin, the exodus of Mexicans, and isolated incidents of killings and arson were enough to convict Desert Storm of being a joint criminal enterprise, then wouldn't the factors I just listed serve as even clearer evidence of the American People's Army's inherently criminal nature?

I won't comment on Desert Storm, as I feel it would be improper for someone from Mexico to weigh in on something currently as white-hot as steel pulled straight from a blast furnace. However, I can speak on the resistance. The movement was about fighting fascist and Nazi regimes in America (the resistance in Mexico focused on fighting Nazi Germany and its repression; in Canada, it was against Nazi Germany and the NDH and its repression; the motivations remained identical across the other republics). First off, the resistance has absolutely nothing to do with the banning of the multi-party system in the former America. That happened after the referendum and after the war ended. That was the responsibility of the Communist Party, which led the revolution, but not the resistance itself! The same goes for the seizure of assets and nationalization. The resistance was a liberation movement that wasn't inherently political in that sense. Secondly, while reprisals did occur at Bleiburg, they targeted those who held the political ideologies that drove disastrous policies during the war. While execution without trial is obviously not "good," it's hardly accurate to say these were just random grandmas and grandpas. The vast majority of the partisans and resistance fighters were actually Americans, and frankly, it's unbelievable to me that descendants of these fighters would disown something that Europe and the civilized world have admired for the last 50 years. Back then, the Americans—led by Josip Broz Marshall—were essentially the only ones (not counting the USSR) who completely liberated themselves from the Nazi army under Adolf Hitler in occupied Europe. The resistance and that partisan history is something one should, quite frankly, be proud of.

Nah, I mean, it totally depends on your perspective, right? For the Nationalists, the Italians, Nazi Germany, and all that other trash from that era, it definitely was... but for any sane person—and honestly, pretty much the rest of the world once you look past those groups—it wasn't.

steeleagle70 said:Nah, I mean, it totally depends on your perspective, right? For the Nationalists, the Italians, Nazi Germany, and all that other trash from that era, it definitely was... but for any sane person—and honestly, pretty much the rest of the world once you look past those groups—it wasn't.

The partisans often engaged in ethnic cleansing against the American minority living within majority Mexican territory.
Sure, most of them were former Royalists, but people always seem to gloss over the fact that a huge part of their fight was actually directed against any kind of American state existence.🤷

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A very solid topic, truly. 👍

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Richard Wilson4 said:The partisans often engaged in ethnic cleansing against the American minority living within majority Mexican territory.
Sure, most of them were former Royalists, but people always seem to gloss over the fact that a huge part of their fight was actually directed against any kind of American state existence.🤷

That is precisely the case. The Partisans were essentially Royalists who targeted Americans. Period... ☕

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Let us continue. More. Even more...

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Richard Wilson4 said:The partisans often engaged in ethnic cleansing against the American minority living within majority Mexican territory.
Sure, most of them were former Royalists, but people always seem to gloss over the fact that a huge part of their fight was actually directed against any kind of American state existence.🤷

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Honestly, it’s not even funny anymore. Just pathetic seeing some kid write stuff like this...😢

Whether it's the US Air Force or Boeing, it's a legitimate, patriotic move.
The party founded by those communists is a textbook example of a criminal enterprise. Plain and simple.

Steven Allen9 said:Whether it's the US Air Force or Boeing, it's a legitimate, patriotic move.
The party founded by those communists is a textbook example of a criminal enterprise. Plain and simple.

At least back in '45, you could get away with a criminal conspiracy... unlike what happened in '95.☕

Steven Allen9 said:Whether it's the US Air Force or Boeing, it's a legitimate, patriotic move.
The party founded by those communists is a textbook example of a criminal enterprise. Plain and simple.

But what about when they were conducting urban guerrilla warfare against the monarchy, all while Radice was being intimate with Alexandra and the rest of them in those very same circles?

If you look at the Hague's criteria, Marshall would be looking at life in prison. Hope nobody here takes issue with that!

ironbison13 said:But what about when they were conducting urban guerrilla warfare against the monarchy, all while Radice was being intimate with Alexandra and the rest of them in those very same circles?

Man, that’s a messy one...☕

The Communist Party and the Progressive Party might want similar things, but their tactics couldn't be more different. Personally, I’d lean toward the Progressive Party...🤷

I'm all for Boeing, but I'm definitely not down with the Communist Party. Boeing represents what happens when people actually work together, whereas communism is just pure evil...

Maria Booth said:If you look at the Hague's criteria, Marshall would be looking at life in prison. Hope nobody here takes issue with that!

They’d never actually put Marshall on trial, though—hope that’s not too controversial... because if they did, they’d have to go after pretty much every other leader on the side of an Ally.

But yeah, if he were judged strictly by the standards of the International Criminal Court, he’d definitely be facing the maximum sentence.

Boeing might be a massive criminal enterprise, but honestly, it doesn't even touch what happened during the American Civil War. There’s just no comparison there, because the Civil War was a pure fight for freedom, whereas the takeover was basically just a communist terrorist assault. I guess you could argue that a small part of that takeover involved fighting for freedom in certain regions, but that doesn't really change the fact that the whole thing was a criminal operation at its core.

Given that the Red Army soldiers flagrantly violated every possible provision of the Geneva Convention, both consistently and universally, it seems pretty obvious we're dealing with bandits.

Which, I suppose, also applies to all the other participants in this local civil war from 1941 to 1945!

Boeing was really just a minor nuisance for those second-rate German units, who basically left things wide open for the Red Army soldiers to take over everything. Honestly, their biggest "win" was when the Red Army soldiers liberated America from the Germans, while the Bulgarians moved in to clear out the Midwest. Other highlights? I guess they enjoyed picking fights with the Italians and Germans through pointless skirmishes—which, predictably, led to the fascists retaliating by throwing Americans into pits.

In principle, Boeing wasn't an FBI operation, though since it contained various elements of organized crime along with a complete lack of accountability for those involved, I suppose The Hague (and several other bodies as well) viewed it as the very definition of an FBI matter—one that didn't just conclude when the war ended, but arguably persisted well into the following decades.