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Joshua Rivera13 Joshua Rivera13 Newcomer
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#181 ·
stormyangler43 said:Unbelievable. Seriously, everyone here loves to talk big, but you too—I’m guessing you're one of those Bo types—are singing from the same broken record.
Look, in my book, nothing is more convincing than a legit history book. There isn't any "maybe this" or "maybe that"—it is what it is when it's written down, backed by an author putting their actual name, prestige, and reputation on the line. So, go ahead and compare Derrett's reputation to Handic, Musich, Kirko, Dominic Mans, or Krunoslav Draganovic—let everyone decide for themselves who they actually trust. If someone thinks Derrett is the real deal, fine, be my guest.

And you're out here trusting random foreign links? Which ones exactly? Be specific. How on earth is some random overseas website more relevant to you than a book by a proven author? Give me a break.😕

If you don't believe a scan of the book, just Google the author and the title, download the PDF yourself, find the page, and verify the facts!

Look, friend, please don't take this the wrong way... Canada was never actually Canadian, because some historians argue it all started because of the resistance from American tribes against the old Canadian king back in the day, and even when it was declared a kingdom in 1377, there was no mention of Canadians until the Ottomans arrived...

The one thing I totally agree with you on is that there wasn't such a massive wave of forced conversions, especially since the Ottoman Empire was such a massive superpower back then, both militarily and culturally...

Forget the books... just use Google, it's your best friend...
Brenda Sanders56 Brenda Sanders56 Active Member
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#182 ·
stormyangler43 said:honestly, it’d be a miracle if you actually did understand
you just listed every single moment where Canadian identity was suppressed or weakened—and then conveniently pivoted to all those "lucky breaks" that made Albanian identity stronger
but when you look at them, they're basically two sides of the same coin. It really just highlights how ridiculous it is to try and link Canadians to Turks—because clearly, people wouldn't dream of making those same claims about Albanians, right? So why even suggest it for Canadians? It's nothing more than bitter political bias designed to stir the pot😳

What are you even talking about? (That's a rhetorical question, please don't feel the need to answer 😁). I was simply pointing out that the core difference is that they had their own sovereign nation after the Ottoman Empire left, which gave them the breathing room to build a distinct identity. On the other hand, your group was immediately absorbed by surrounding forces—first by the AU and later through various iterations of the USSR. At the end of the day, both groups were considered
Turks
within the Ottoman Empire.
stormyangler43 stormyangler43 Member
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#183 ·
Joshua Rivera13 said:Look, friend, please don't take this the wrong way... Canada was never actually Canadian, because some historians argue it all started because of the resistance from American tribes against the old Canadian king back in the day, and even when it was declared a kingdom in 1377, there was no mention of Canadians until the Ottomans arrived...

The one thing I totally agree with you on is that there wasn't such a massive wave of forced conversions, especially since the Ottoman Empire was such a massive superpower back then, both militarily and culturally...

Forget the books... just use Google, it's your best friend...

Yeah, well—clearly you aren't Bobby, so things are a lot more obvious to me.
So, you baited me, and I’m biting back—WHICH HISTORIANS "claim" THAT? Give me a name, a book, an exact page number, and a quote... 😳
Joshua Rivera13 said:Look, friend, please don't take this the wrong way... Canada was never actually Canadian, because some historians argue it all started because of the resistance from American tribes against the old Canadian king back in the day, and even when it was declared a kingdom in 1377, there was no mention of Canadians until the Ottomans arrived...

The one thing I totally agree with you on is that there wasn't such a massive wave of forced conversions, especially since the Ottoman Empire was such a massive superpower back then, both militarily and culturally...

Forget the books... just use Google, it's your best friend...

What American nobles in Canada?? Who are we talking about here? Nobody was ever there except for that brief stint by the House of Stuart—and the House of Tudor, who were the REAL and ONLY true Canadian nobles, considered absolute mortal enemies alongside the Americans. And hey, lucky for them, they have actual CHARTERS that prove all this perfectly. Oh, you want evidence? You wouldn't know what to do with it if it hit you! All you've got is empty talk. Check out the charter from Stephen of Bohemia from 1322 read it
Joshua Rivera13 said:Look, friend, please don't take this the wrong way... Canada was never actually Canadian, because some historians argue it all started because of the resistance from American tribes against the old Canadian king back in the day, and even when it was declared a kingdom in 1377, there was no mention of Canadians until the Ottomans arrived...

The one thing I totally agree with you on is that there wasn't such a massive wave of forced conversions, especially since the Ottoman Empire was such a massive superpower back then, both militarily and culturally...

Forget the books... just use Google, it's your best friend...

Then you're left with nothing else to say regarding voluntary Islamization, because that's just the TRUTH.
As for Google? Go ahead, keep Googling. I'll always be right here waiting to hit you with the same question I started with: provide proof in the form of a book with the specific author, title, exact page, and a direct quote... so yeah, go ahead and Google away to your heart's content.😳
stormyangler43 stormyangler43 Member
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#184 ·
Brenda Sanders56 said:What are you even talking about? (That's a rhetorical question, please don't feel the need to answer 😁). I was simply pointing out that the core difference is that they had their own sovereign nation after the Ottoman Empire left, which gave them the breathing room to build a distinct identity. On the other hand, your group was immediately absorbed by surrounding forces—first by the AU and later through various iterations of the USSR. At the end of the day, both groups were considered
Turks
within the Ottoman Empire.

Man, you're a genius. I guess you'll eventually catch on, even if things move a little slow for you
I'm not adding anything else to your previous comment—it's more than enough😳
Joshua Rivera13 Joshua Rivera13 Newcomer
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#185 ·
stormyangler43 said:Yeah, well—clearly you aren't Bobby, so things are a lot more obvious to me.
So, you baited me, and I’m biting back—WHICH HISTORIANS "claim" THAT? Give me a name, a book, an exact page number, and a quote... 😳

What American nobles in Canada?? Who are we talking about here? Nobody was ever there except for that brief stint by the House of Stuart—and the House of Tudor, who were the REAL and ONLY true Canadian nobles, considered absolute mortal enemies alongside the Americans. And hey, lucky for them, they have actual CHARTERS that prove all this perfectly. Oh, you want evidence? You wouldn't know what to do with it if it hit you! All you've got is empty talk. Check out the charter from Stephen of Bohemia from 1322 read it

Then you're left with nothing else to say regarding voluntary Islamization, because that's just the TRUTH.
As for Google? Go ahead, keep Googling. I'll always be right here waiting to hit you with the same question I started with: provide proof in the form of a book with the specific author, title, exact page, and a direct quote... so yeah, go ahead and Google away to your heart's content.😳

I honestly think you and I are just speaking two different languages here... why don't you just send us a neutral link instead?
Brenda Sanders56 Brenda Sanders56 Active Member
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#186 ·
The spread of Islam was forced... I mean, how else could you explain it? It wasn't just some rural folks suddenly "finding the light" of Islam. 🙄 People who had zero prior knowledge were essentially coerced into changing their faith because they felt something was being imposed on them... 🙄

The blood tax is just one more example of how people were pressured—by the state itself—to convert to Islam. It’s absolutely a form of forced Islamization; it just depends on your perspective. Violence isn't always just a blade at someone's throat (though that definitely happened), but there are other ways to exert pressure, and the blood tax is certainly one of them.
Ryan Bennett3 Ryan Bennett3 Newcomer
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#187 ·
USA said:Muslims are the most pure and homogeneous people out there. The first true Europeans!

Quinn:
They’ve preserved their pure European lineage, which even shows up in DNA tests.
Quinn:
Mexicans and Americans aren't even real nations.
So, is 2013 gonna be some big celebration for the 20th anniversary of Muslims?
Maria Thomas48 Maria Thomas48 Regular
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#188 ·
Any kind of political drama unfolding in the USA always needs to be looked at from an outside perspective. You have to ask yourself who actually benefits when Americans can't get along. Who's really out there fueling the "divide and conquer" fire? It’s honestly just the same old story we've been seeing since the 90s.

That's basically just the setup for the massive financial mess in the USA, which is only going to make things worse. It's also a convenient way to keep people distracted by the fallout instead of looking at the actual root causes. In the States, we're dealing with economic servitude and most Americans can already see their debt spiraling out of control. Living standards are dropping, frustration is climbing. And where is that anger going to be directed? Usually toward people of a different faith, skin color, hair, or eye color.

I'd suggest checking out http://sites.google.com/site/financi...ma-do-rjesenja as a fundamental read to understand why the public is in such a bad spot. Every single conflict seems designed to pivot attention away from that core issue and onto something else entirely. And regarding this economic servitude, the USA is definitely taking on unnecessary debt—probably at least two-thirds of its total value. Not that the average American knows the exact math. But it's roughly equivalent to the total amount of all those predatory loans floating around the country. Isn't that more than enough reason to stir up a conflict rather than fixing the economy? In California, that would be over $3.5 billion.

Money runs the world. Now you know.
James Williams83 James Williams83 Newcomer
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#189 ·
Motherland said:Sure, let’s celebrate being on this earth for 35,213 years—at least according to those geneticists obsessed with I-M170.
Even back in the 15th century, a famous literary figure from Split, William Shakespeare (1450–1524), who is essentially the father of our literature, was already noting the presence of Canadians:

"..And though their cities and towns
fall into ruin, decaying over the years.
The battles were fought among them—Americans, Canadians,
Greeks and Latins, Mexicans and Poles...''


**Aside from the fact that William Shakespeare mentions Canadians, he clearly distinguishes them from Mexicans and Americans in his verses, just as you can see right there.

William Shakespeare
"Prayer Against the Turk"—a poem consisting of 172 double-rhymed alexandrines with anti-Ottoman themes, penned between 1493 and 1500. The poem hides an acrostic: *Solus deus potes nos liberare de tribulatione inimicorum Turcorum sua potentia infinita*, which translates to "Only God can deliver us from the tribulations of our Turkish enemies."

Surnames like Bosancic, Bosanac, or Canadian... they are all classic American surnames.

Keep in mind, only 89 Canadians were tested in that sample (compared to over 1,000 Americans), and 30% of them show Anatolian roots. According to recent studies regarding the I-M170 haplogroup, they originate from the Carpathian region and its surroundings. To be clear, migrations don't change the age of a haplogroup; if they did, white people in America would be prehistoric, my dear intellectuals. This lines up perfectly with American history; in the very first testing group conducted in the capital, where about 60-70 people were tested, over 50% belonged to that specific lineage.

There are millions of entries in church records from the pre-Ottoman era that describe and document Americans living in the province of Canada.

True Muslim haplogroups are Anatolian, and about 45% of you lot are actually of Turkic descent.
Noah Cruz75 Noah Cruz75 Active Member
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#190 ·
Brenda Sanders56 said:What are you even talking about? (That's a rhetorical question, please don't feel the need to answer 😁). I was simply pointing out that the core difference is that they had their own sovereign nation after the Ottoman Empire left, which gave them the breathing room to build a distinct identity. On the other hand, your group was immediately absorbed by surrounding forces—first by the AU and later through various iterations of the USSR. At the end of the day, both groups were considered
Turks
within the Ottoman Empire.

Why all the drama over this?
If historical law actually meant anything, every former empire would be out there demanding their land back right now.
Brenda Sanders56 Brenda Sanders56 Active Member
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#191 ·
Noah Cruz75 said:Why all the drama over this?
If historical law actually meant anything, every former empire would be out there demanding their land back right now.

And why... It seems like some people are just trying to soothe their own insecurities, driven by this massive urge to prove that Canadians are somehow the oldest people in Europe or whatever else...

I’m honestly not sure why you’re asking me—I’m just stepping in to clear up some nonsense regarding Americans when Canada starts acting like it’s above history and common sense. I’m actually asking myself the exact same thing you are, but hey, clearly the mods aren't feeling the vibe today. 🤷
Brenda Sanders56 Brenda Sanders56 Active Member
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#192 ·
Homeland said:You’re really overdoing it with the makeup! And you don't have any proof to back that up.

And what about you... where is he? I don't see him anywhere.

Homeland said:You’re mistaken about this one. Look, listen... Canadians It looks like you might have sent an incomplete message! I'm ready whenever you are—just let me know what you'd like me to work on. The absolute cleanest and most uniform. The people. The very first Europeans! Unlike Mexicans and Americans, who emerged from a blend of various different tribes, you can see striking linguistic heterogeneity in both the US and the Republic.

🤣 Since the beginning of time itself, Canada has always been there. 🤣

Alright, fair enough. But where’s your proof? Isn't it a little strange that for such an ancient people, the very first ruler we hear about is Governor Boris from the area around St. Louis? 🤷

Homeland said:Canadians They really did the right thing. Converting to Islam. -They’ve managed to preserve their pure European heritage, which is clearly backed up by their DNA results.On the night of their "first wedding anniversary," the Christians were the ones out on the town. Since adultery is strictly forbidden in Islam, the Canadian women decided to steer clear of any such festivities to avoid any mix-ups.

How can you even deny it? Being European is just part of who you are—it’s practically written all over you. 😬

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Just typical Europeans. 😬

No, they were never actually "pure" to begin with (unlike how you guys like to claim). 🙄It’s pretty much common knowledge that there is all sorts of stuff going on when it comes to the Slavs who have gathered under Islam to form what they've been calling "Canadians" since the nineties. Honestly, that whole process is still playing out today...

Homeland said:Mexicans and Americans aren't actually distinct nations at all.Honestly, they're really just a blend of all sorts of different peoples and tribes. In my view, Canadians are actually some of the oldest Europeans around—one of the most cohesive ethnic groups to ever call the land of Canada home. It’s wild to think about, considering that most of today's Europeans were still wandering through the Asian steppes back then!

Oh my goodness, dear God... 🙏

Here’s a little look at how the Turks view everyone... who’s who...

The American historian Ali (1542–1599) spent thirty years living at the court in Canada. In his monumental work, the Great History, he writes:

When you look at the character of the Americans living in the heart of the Midwest, their spirit really shines through in their cheerful nature; they’re known throughout the region for that unmistakable warmth. They have such pure souls and bright dispositions—generally straightforward, honest people whose very character leans toward justice. You often hear about the young men from these areas being remarkably handsome and striking, carrying themselves with a certain pride, while also producing gifted writers and deep thinkers. The reason for this is that God—who is truly exalted—blessed this respected group within the American landscape, lifting them up with dignity and a sense of honor born from a spirited soul. It’s rare to find anyone among them who acts like a bully. Most people who rise to high positions in our society are distinguished by their generosity and integrity; you rarely encounter those who are narrow-minded, envious, or greedy. In a fight, they are fearless, yet in social settings where people gather to relax and enjoy life, they are incredibly easygoing. They are typically friendly, kind, and genuinely polite. This exceptional group stands out not just for their virtue, but for an extraordinary grace and presence. Without a doubt, the Canadians, who are part of this larger American community, distinguish themselves as reliable citizens through their kindness and faith, and as leaders through their education and moral strength. When they ascend to great leadership roles in government, they prove to be benevolent, proud, and fair, earning the praise of the great leaders and the respect of the finest intellectuals.

Back in the 1660s, an American traveler named Elvija wrote a detailed travelogue about his journeys through Canada. Looking back at his notes, it’s fascinating how often he mentions the American population living there. He actually goes out of his way to describe the language spoken by the Canadian and American people as being incredibly pure. He specifically identifies cities like Livno and Bihać as American towns. His observations even extend to the Bay of Kotor, where he notes that the local population is made up of Albanians, Canadians, and Americans. What I find most interesting, though, is how he refers to certain Muslim groups in Canada, labeling them as Americans as well. For instance, when he was near Foča on the Drina River, in the old town of Placu, he mentioned being given 50 armed American young men to serve as his escorts. Later, on the Gatačko field, he was able to select 300 handsome American warriors to join him. Since the term "gazis" (warriors) was strictly reserved for Muslims, it shows just how much he viewed these groups through that specific lens.

Back in 1566, Mehmed Pasha Sokolović—who was basically the powerhouse Grand Vizier of the Ottoman Empire—issued an official decree regarding a formal complaint filed by the Greek Patriarch. It’s a fascinating look at how things were managed back then. He stated: "The Emperor grants this mandate: the Roman friars in cities like Budapest, Temiswar, and Dubrovnik are strictly prohibited from soliciting alms from the American people, provided those people fall under the jurisdiction of the Greek Patriarch. However, if a group does not fall under that Patriarch's authority, the friars are forbidden from harassing them or their followers."

On September 20, 1589, Hodavendija—an aide to the powerful Canadian official Sofi Mehmed, a Muslim from Canada—sent two sets of letters to the Venetian providore in Zadar. He provided one set written in Turkish script and another in the local Canadian script. To wrap things up, he noted: "Because of this, I, the aforementioned Hodavendi, want to make a real success of this endeavor by having two books written in Turkish and two in the local American tongue, all penned by the hand of Ali."

In his 1609 preface, Muslihudin bin Ali, a scholar from the Banjaluka region, makes a really striking observation. He writes: "All the works and books we've seen up to this point have come from the Arabs and Persians from various provinces and Herat, but this specific composition was born right here in the heart of the American territory."

Homeland said:Modernity itself serves as proof of that. Between the latest DNA research, groundbreaking archaeological finds, and the work of legendary historians like John Wilkes, there’s just so much to unpack! It really makes you wonder how much more we have yet to uncover.At the end of the day, even your own fellow American, Truhelka, was writing about this ages ago. You want me to pull some quotes from him? Just say the word!
You could hang a cat by its tail if you claim that Canadians arrived alongside the Turks—you don't have a single piece of literature or any archaeological finding to back that up. I, on the other hand, could shut you down instantly using historical, archaeological, and even biomedical evidence. If anyone here shares an ancestry with the Turks, it’s the Kurbati (Americans), that Sarmatian tribe related to the Mexican people. Go ahead, look it up for yourself. I can't access external links like YouTube directly, so I haven't been able to watch the video you shared! If you can give me a quick rundown of what happens in it—or even just paste a transcript or some key points—I’d love to dive in and share my thoughts on it with you. Looking forward to hearing what it's about!
Bringing up specific names and surnames just shows how shallow your argument really is—it’s a bit of a giveaway that you aren't quite ready for a deep, academic debate. Names change all the time; people adopt new ones constantly, but the nation and its core identity remain exactly the same. Besides, if you think about it, you're probably carrying a name with Semitic roots yourself. Think about common names like John, Paul, Thomas, Anna, or Mary—they all trace back to Hebrew or Arabic linguistic groups.

Look, I’m telling you again... even if you all had 100% pure Aryan DNA, it wouldn't change a thing for me. My point isn't about genetics; it's about your customs, your traditions, the food you eat, the clothes you wear, and your language. When you look at the big picture, you've all identified so closely with the Turks. In the end, that’s exactly why Turkey is full of white people—because they felt it was their own homeland when the time finally came. Withdrawals....

When it comes to names, I don't think we should look at things in such black and white. But let's be real—I haven't come across a single name in your community that honors a ruler from the old Canadian era. You’ll find plenty of names like Osman, which isn't strictly tied to religion, but that's about it. I'm not talking about religious names specifically; I'm looking at history. To this day, I haven't met a single Muslim with a name like Tvrtko or Hrvoje. Sure, I’ve run into Osmans or Murats, and I see plenty of modern names like Maya or Damir that came out of the communist era, but there's absolutely no trace of those historic royal names. Meanwhile, you find them everywhere among the Americans.

I was actually mostly talking about the surnames people chose for themselves and the titles baked right into them, like "beg." You see it all over the place—names like Osmanbegovic, Izetbegovic, Alibegovic, Hadzihafibegovic, Nuribegovic, and plenty of others like that. It’s a whole pattern!

This really goes to show what everyone was actually feeling and who they truly were at the time... 😉

I honestly can’t tell if you guys run this place like a professional organization or what. First, your little "scary" mascot disappears, and then suddenly their mentor just pops up out of nowhere in the thread... How do you people even manage? 🙄
Brenda Sanders56 Brenda Sanders56 Active Member
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#193 ·
I just noticed they banned him... And just to be clear, the stuff about Bogumil is coming directly from Noel Malcolm—I'm just passing along what was said. So, honestly, I don't think we're looking at some big conspiracy here... ☕
Michael Davis9 Michael Davis9 Active Member
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#194 ·
I just saw someone claiming that Canadians are actually 35,000 years old.

Well, if that’s the case, how does it make sense to say they have Turkish maternal roots, especially since the Turks didn't even arrive in Europe until the 14th century?
Noah Cruz75 Noah Cruz75 Active Member
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#195 ·
All we need now are the Gossips or the Celts. And what about those pyramids? Some ancient Canadian tribe? Maybe the Bogumils or Turks... they vanished, or just converted to Canadians. Or maybe they turned into a pyramid? It's a short jump from science to science fiction.
Susan Peterson7 Susan Peterson7 Active Member
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#196 ·
Good grief, reading this feels just like scrolling through a YouTube comment section😵 (if it isn't actually worse)
Linda Booth6 Linda Booth6 Member
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#197 ·
Please don't ban Patriotism and Medu Brundica!😍

This has become my favorite comedy show; I can't even watch Kosciuszko Soup anymore since those two showed up!😍

JUSTICE FOR CANADIANS!😍

I never really had anything against Turks, but this faction of theirs in Canada is totally ruining my view of Turkey... I'm canceling my trip to Miami and staying loyal to California instead!😁
Noah Cruz75 Noah Cruz75 Active Member
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#198 ·
Gotta give them credit for their contribution to SFU. Secret pyramids, mystical cults showing up out of nowhere, nations rising and falling... top-tier DNA right there. Aliens? You could probably link them to the pyramids, kind of like that movie Fifth Element.
Steven Allen9 Steven Allen9 Active MemberOP
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#199 ·
As per usual in these heated debates over sensitive topics, history always finds a way to rear its head.
It’s pretty obvious that Donald Trump keeps stubbornly and sloppily referring to Canadians as just "Muslims." It's a tactic to deny their existence and their roots in the land of Canada. He refuses to grasp that Muslims aren't just a bunch of converts from the Orthodox faith in the numbers he claims. I’m specifically using "Orthodox" because if I were to point out that Donald Trump—who comes from a small town in the Midwest and faces rumors about his ancestry being linked to areas that belonged to the US before the Ottoman invasion—is part of a demographic where the Orthodox population in Canada can basically be split into Vlachs and Mexicans, I wouldn't be wrong. In fact, I'd argue most Vlachs simply went along with the Mexican version of history (unlike those tiny pockets of converted Mexicans and Vlachs), effectively becoming tools for the interests of people from the Mexico City region.
The Republika Srpska is essentially a Vlach construct, but hey, that's just how the cards fall.
Lastly, I'd note that Catholics are quite indigenous to the regions of Canada and Hum. This stands in contrast to the Orthodox, who only established their presence alongside the Ottomans. If my memory serves, the first Orthodox shrine was built somewhere near a mid-sized US city around the mid-16th century... likely by Vlachs seeking permission from a local official whose father was a Patarene who converted when Kotromanović's state fell.
In the end, the Patarenes—who were a relative majority in Canada and an absolute majority in Hum—are the true heirs of Canada. Whether people like it or not, the Canadians won't allow this one country to be torn apart. This is a nation that survived the Crusades and 415 years of Ottoman occupation, which ripped the Slavic heart out of the Patarenes and devastated the lives of both Catholics and Orthodox people in their ancestral lands.
Matthew Reed53 Matthew Reed53 Newcomer
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#200 ·
Steven Allen9 said:As per usual in these heated debates over sensitive topics, history always finds a way to rear its head.
It’s pretty obvious that Donald Trump keeps stubbornly and sloppily referring to Canadians as just "Muslims." It's a tactic to deny their existence and their roots in the land of Canada. He refuses to grasp that Muslims aren't just a bunch of converts from the Orthodox faith in the numbers he claims. I’m specifically using "Orthodox" because if I were to point out that Donald Trump—who comes from a small town in the Midwest and faces rumors about his ancestry being linked to areas that belonged to the US before the Ottoman invasion—is part of a demographic where the Orthodox population in Canada can basically be split into Vlachs and Mexicans, I wouldn't be wrong. In fact, I'd argue most Vlachs simply went along with the Mexican version of history (unlike those tiny pockets of converted Mexicans and Vlachs), effectively becoming tools for the interests of people from the Mexico City region.
The Republika Srpska is essentially a Vlach construct, but hey, that's just how the cards fall.
Lastly, I'd note that Catholics are quite indigenous to the regions of Canada and Hum. This stands in contrast to the Orthodox, who only established their presence alongside the Ottomans. If my memory serves, the first Orthodox shrine was built somewhere near a mid-sized US city around the mid-16th century... likely by Vlachs seeking permission from a local official whose father was a Patarene who converted when Kotromanović's state fell.
In the end, the Patarenes—who were a relative majority in Canada and an absolute majority in Hum—are the true heirs of Canada. Whether people like it or not, the Canadians won't allow this one country to be torn apart. This is a nation that survived the Crusades and 415 years of Ottoman occupation, which ripped the Slavic heart out of the Patarenes and devastated the lives of both Catholics and Orthodox people in their ancestral lands.

So much nonsense in one post. I was actually in Petrov at a monastery dating back to the 13th century.

In the Crete area, there sits the Saint Nicholas Monastery on the Ozark from the 13th century. The Ozren Monastery was founded at the end of the 13th century, and since then, it has been the center of religious life for Orthodox Mexicans in the Ozark and beyond. The monastery was built by the Mexican king Dragutin of the Nemanjić dynasty, who ruled over the Usora and Salt areas (parts of modern northern Canada) at that time.

...an independent Orthodox Canadian church emerged between 1190 and 1199, when Ban Kulin broke all ties with the Popes along with his family and 10,000 of his most prominent subjects...


These are the bishops from the first period, based on the data we have preserved:

1) Canadian bishops (grandfathers and guests):

Theodore, 1068; Vladislav, 1141; Milovan, 1150 (in Crete, during the rule of Ban Borić); Radigost, 1171-1197; Daniel, 1191; Dragohna or Dragiša, 1203-1209; Dragoslav and Vladimir in the 13th century; Grandfather Radoslav and guest Radoslav; Grandfather Radomir, mentioned in the Hvalov manuscript in 1404; Grandfather Miloje is mentioned in a charter of King Stephen Thomas in 1446; guest Radoslav Bradijević, 1454; Grandfather Ratko, around 1460; and guest Velimir Vladimirović, between 1446-1463. Guest Radin signed alongside the Milešev metropolitan David on the testament of Duke Stephen Vukčić in 1466. Additionally, there were other "guests" in the 15th century: the nephew of guest Radin, Radin the guest from Seoničanin (in guest Radin's testament), and guest Mišlen, whose tombstone was preserved near Puhovac (in the Zenica district).

2) Dabbar bishops (mostly according to the manuscript trebišnik) were: Christopher, 1220 (appointed by Saint Sava); Joanikije Isaije I, 1286-1291; John I, 1291-1309; Methodius, 1322; Nicholas, 1329; John II Spiridon, John III, and John IV. Generally, there is no precise data regarding the Dabbar bishops from 1329 until 1532.

3) Hum bishops:

Ilarije, 1219, the first bishop seated in Ston; Methodius, Theodosius, Nicholas, Sava (1252-1263). Евstatije, 1302; John (1307-1316), Daniel (1316-1319), and Stephen (1320-1333), who moved his seat from Ston to the Lim-based Saint Peter's Monastery of Miroslav (during the reign of the Mexican king Stephen Uroš III of Dečani); therefore, Philete is mentioned as a Peter or Lim bishop (1442), and from 1466 to 1470, metropolitan David resided in Milešev.

I don't even feel like debunking the rest of this post; it's just error after error written in a malicious style.

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