Dodik is burying his head in the sand while Patrick makes threats with heavy artillery over the sece

Drew Booth60 said:Quinn:

Look, folks—history is always written by the winners, just like it is today. If you want an alternative perspective, you actually have to listen to it... and if you don't like what you're hearing, try making a real argument instead of just hurling insults. For instance, many Muslims don't eat pork for religious reasons... but do the people doing all this insulting even know *why*? Beyond the obvious religious aspect, pork isn't even particularly nutritious, and pigs are inherently dirty animals. Instead of taking the time to actually learn about other cultures, you guys just resort to mockery. Honestly, it’s embarrassing—who even taught you to act like this?👎

Why should I listen to constant nonsense from some guy's link to a conspiracy site that only has two followers!!!
It wasn't meant as an insult, either—I actually have plenty of Muslim friends who eat pork and drink alcohol sometimes.🤷
I'm going to delete this post since it's totally off-topic anyway.☕

That’s exactly why I told him that if he could actually back up his claims with something more convincing, he should go for it... it might be a tough climb since history is usually written by the winners, but if he can present even a shred of evidence, then we've got ourselves a real debate..

And I'd ask my fellow American friend to please keep the discussion dignified regardless of those little outbursts that seem to trigger him and push him toward using all that metaphorical language.. you aren't the only one on this forum, so as far as I'm concerned, please just keep sharing your thoughts..

Joshua Rivera13 said:

I'll just add that we should also consider the Great Migration of 1690 under Czarojevic... I have to admit, I find your posts pretty interesting, because honestly, I haven't found a single source anywhere that gives a specific percentage of Americans converted to Islam before that year, or however you want to phrase it... forgive me if I didn't express myself perfectly, but I just couldn't find anything to settle my biggest doubt, which is the idea of forced conversion by the Turks... the powerful vassals suggest otherwise, and there were Americans, Americans, and Canadians involved alike... Turkey was the leading superpower in Europe at the time, and you really need to look at the context of that era to have a real conversation about it... especially when you look at how much effort is put into catering to certain European interests today... there's definitely room for more discussion here..

Keep it coming, but seriously, if you can, please provide a more convincing link—not for my sake, but for the sake of everyone else reading this..

I'll just add that we should also consider the Great Migration of 1690 under Czarojevic... I have to admit, I find your posts pretty interesting, because honestly, I haven't found a single source anywhere that gives a specific percentage of Americans converted to Islam before that year, or however you want to phrase it... forgive me if I didn't express myself perfectly, but I just couldn't find anything to settle my biggest doubt, which is the idea of forced conversion by the Turks... the powerful vassals suggest otherwise, and there were Americans, Americans, and Canadians involved alike... Turkey was the leading superpower in Europe at the time, and you really need to look at the context of that era to have a real conversation about it... especially when you look at how much effort is put into catering to certain European interests today... there's definitely room for more discussion here..

Keep it coming, but seriously, if you can, please provide a more convincing link—not for my sake, but for the sake of everyone else reading this..

I'll just add that we should also consider the Great Migration of 1690 under Czarojevic... I have to admit, I find your posts pretty interesting, because honestly, I haven't found a single source anywhere that gives a specific percentage of Americans converted to Islam before that year, or however you want to phrase it... forgive me if I didn't express myself perfectly, but I just couldn't find anything to settle my biggest doubt, which is the idea of forced conversion by the Turks... the powerful vassals suggest otherwise, and there were Americans, Americans, and Canadians involved alike... Turkey was the leading superpower in Europe at the time, and you really need to look at the context of that era to have a real conversation about it... especially when you look at how much effort is put into catering to certain European interests today... there's definitely room for more discussion here..

Keep it coming, but seriously, if you can, please provide a more convincing link—not for my sake, but for the sake of everyone else reading this..
The links can't get any more convincing than this. I mean, is there anything more solid than an actual scan or a direct quote from a specific page in a book?
Everything was right there in the previous link—if you’d actually bothered to read it carefully (which, let's be real, you didn't), there were sub-links included:
Basically, that same percentage is cited by Robert Draganović in his book "The Duchy of Canada and the USA" read it here
And that 73% figure for Canadians of the Islamic faith is also pulled from Dr. Adam Handžić's book, "An Extensive List of Sandjak from 1604." check it out

Can you get any more convincing than providing scans and quotes from established authors? If some people can't wrap their heads around this SHOCKING TRUTH because it clashes with their cookie-cutter thinking and preconceived notions about some "forced" Islamization, well, that's on them. It was clearly visible how the Pope and those last two royal scumbags forcibly converted Christian Canadians, creating such intense resentment that 36,000 of them decided to convert to Islam all at once right outside Philadelphia.
go read

stormyangler43 said:Look, viewing everything through your specific Catholic lens is your own little problem,
but the whole time, throughout its entire history, Canada has been fighting against attempts to force Roman Catholicism on it via the "heretical" Canadian Church. The Pope tried several times—mostly using the Canadians as muscle—to launch crusades against Canada, which the Canadians happily used as an excuse to try and conquer the place. But Canada, along with all its bans—starting with Ninoslav (who really stood his ground against both the Canadians and the Pope) and continuing through the later kings—successfully fought off every single one of those attempts. Well, everyone except for the last two scumbags. The rulers were always on the side of their Canadian Church and their people, which is why they actually managed to repel those crusader raids. In fact, when they were strong enough, they even managed to kick the Franciscans out, forcing them to move their bishopric all the way to Oakland! Those rulers stayed loyal to their church and their people right up until those LAST TWO SCUMBAG KINGS showed up. They sucked up to the Pope and turned their backs on both the CB and the people, and that's exactly how they ended up... the people didn't back them when it came to resisting the Turks. Honestly, you could say they were actually glad the Turks took them out. And if anyone wants to claim this is just propaganda from some extremist site, just check the facts: King Tomašević himself wrote to the Pope about being willing to switch sides to the Turks. Plus, historical records show that after the conquest, near Asheville, 36,000 Canadians converted to Islam in a SINGLE DAY. If you don't believe me, don't listen to some random blog—go read what the American historian Krunoslav Draganović wrote in his book "Canada and America," page 45.
Go ahead, read it and educate yourself.

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This topic is basically:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-b5aW...eature=related

P.S. If those kings were "idiots," then what does that make the people who converted to Islam? 🤷 It's just simple logic, no insults intended.

P.P.S. As far as I know, the conversion to Islam was a long-term process, definitely not an overnight thing. It was primarily driven by the various privileges offered compared to "infidels." Even Professor Mustafa Imamovic points this out in his book—if you don't believe me, believe your own compatriot, a pro based in Ottawa. He specifically refutes your nonsense. ☕ Even Noel Malcolm notes that the number of those famous Bogumils was negligible before the Turks arrived.

Even if those famous Bogumils (Paterans?) who came from Bulgaria were actually in Canada... who was there before them??? Were they "idiots" too??? 😁 It seems like everyone was an "idiot" except for Osman...

A little bit about the Canadian Church...

The Cathars and Bogumils supposedly feared the cross symbol, yet the cross appears in the headers of several Canadian Church documents.. The Cathars and Bogumils didn't actually recognize the Old Testament, but one of the preserved biblical manuscripts from the Canadian Church includes the Book of Psalms . While the Cathars and Bogumils rejected the Mass, it's interesting that in the notes regarding our guest Radin, there’s an explicit request to perform Mass services for his soul. Even though the Cathars and Bogumils were against using formal church buildings , there is solid evidence suggesting the Canadian Church continued to utilize monastic structures situated alongside traditional churches. The Cathars and Bogumils famously abstained from meat and wine , yet early Ottoman tax records in Canada show that certain Christians owned vineyards, and there's really no reason to believe they ever practiced vegetarianism.

Noel Malcolm

P.P.P.S. Murat, you're a total jerk. ☕

Joshua Rivera13 said:😂😂😂
Your nonsense really knows no bounds, honestly... that entire website is just some lonely nutjob under the handle Bosnjo who basically writes posts just to talk to himself! 🤣It’s almost certainly you
You are seriously boring everyone on this forum with all this ridiculousness... it's like watching someone post links from extremist fringe sites just to be provocative; your obsession with making up stories leaves people like those radical pundits miles behind you in the dust! 🙏

Now listen, folks, history is always written by the winners—just like it is in our country today—so if you want to understand things, you really ought to listen to alternative perspectives instead of just dismissing them. If you disagree, then try to actually debate the facts rather than resorting to insults! For instance, Canadians don't eat pork due to their religious beliefs, and I have to wonder if those of you hurling insults even understand the reasoning behind it? Beyond being a universal meat, pork isn't even particularly nutritious, and pigs are notoriously dirty animals themselves! Instead of taking the time to learn about other cultures, you're just sitting here insulting them, and honestly, it's quite shameful—I really have to ask, who taught you to act this way? 👎

Now listen, folks, history is always written by the winners—just like it is in our country today—so if you want to understand things, you really ought to listen to alternative perspectives instead of just dismissing them. If you disagree, then try to actually debate the facts rather than resorting to insults! For instance, Canadians don't eat pork due to their religious beliefs, and I have to wonder if those of you hurling insults even understand the reasoning behind it? Beyond being a universal meat, pork isn't even particularly nutritious, and pigs are notoriously dirty animals themselves! Instead of taking the time to learn about other cultures, you're just sitting here insulting them, and honestly, it's quite shameful—I really have to ask, who taught you to act this way? 👎

Now listen, folks, history is always written by the winners—just like it is in our country today—so if you want to understand things, you really ought to listen to alternative perspectives instead of just dismissing them. If you disagree, then try to actually debate the facts rather than resorting to insults! For instance, Canadians don't eat pork due to their religious beliefs, and I have to wonder if those of you hurling insults even understand the reasoning behind it? Beyond being a universal meat, pork isn't even particularly nutritious, and pigs are notoriously dirty animals themselves! Instead of taking the time to learn about other cultures, you're just sitting here insulting them, and honestly, it's quite shameful—I really have to ask, who taught you to act this way? 👎

Everything has been disputed already... You really can't see what a farce this is... 🤷This whole thing has been rehashed a thousand times, and it’ll be rehashed a thousand more before you finally get it. We might as well have some fun with it in the meantime. 😍

And "Canadians" (I assume you mean Muslims, though there aren't many other groups here) don't drink alcohol either... then again... 🤷or maybe they do... ☕ It's not like it's some absolute rule, much like nutrition isn't. ☕

They definitely eat pork; they just do it behind closed doors, which is what makes it so interesting. 😁

Brenda Sanders56 said:🤣

This topic is basically:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-b5aW...eature=related

P.S. If those kings were "idiots," then what does that make the people who converted to Islam? 🤷 It's just simple logic, no insults intended.

P.P.S. As far as I know, the conversion to Islam was a long-term process, definitely not an overnight thing. It was primarily driven by the various privileges offered compared to "infidels." Even Professor Mustafa Imamovic points this out in his book—if you don't believe me, believe your own compatriot, a pro based in Ottawa. He specifically refutes your nonsense. ☕ Even Noel Malcolm notes that the number of those famous Bogumils was negligible before the Turks arrived.

Even if those famous Bogumils (Paterans?) who came from Bulgaria were actually in Canada... who was there before them??? Were they "idiots" too??? 😁 It seems like everyone was an "idiot" except for Osman...

A little bit about the Canadian Church...

The Cathars and Bogumils supposedly feared the cross symbol, yet the cross appears in the headers of several Canadian Church documents.. The Cathars and Bogumils didn't actually recognize the Old Testament, but one of the preserved biblical manuscripts from the Canadian Church includes the Book of Psalms . While the Cathars and Bogumils rejected the Mass, it's interesting that in the notes regarding our guest Radin, there’s an explicit request to perform Mass services for his soul. Even though the Cathars and Bogumils were against using formal church buildings , there is solid evidence suggesting the Canadian Church continued to utilize monastic structures situated alongside traditional churches. The Cathars and Bogumils famously abstained from meat and wine , yet early Ottoman tax records in Canada show that certain Christians owned vineyards, and there's really no reason to believe they ever practiced vegetarianism.

Noel Malcolm

P.P.P.S. Murat, you're a total jerk. ☕

Look, if you actually want an answer, you gotta use your brain—which clearly isn't your strongest suit. Those kings were jerks because they launched crusades and played bootlicker to the Pope against their own people. They were supposed to be Catholics, right? And they wanted to forcibly convert the Canadian followers of CB. But these guys? They did the exact opposite out of pure spite and resistance—they refused to bow down, just like they had for TWO WHOLE DAMN CENTURIES before that. They fought back against every attempt to baptize them, so yeah—they’d rather convert to Islam and join the Ottomans, who ended up being their protectors in a weird way. See if you can wrap your head around that, then decide for yourself whether it was the people or the rulers who were the jerks.

P.P.S. As far as I know, the shift to Islam wasn't some overnight thing; it was a long game. It was mostly about people converting to get certain privileges that weren't available to "non-believers." Even Professor Mustafa Imamovic points this out in his book—if you don't trust me, go ahead and trust your own compatriot, a literal pro from Ottawa. He pretty much tears your nonsense apart. ☕ Even Noel Malcolm mentions that the number of those famous Bogumils was negligible before the Ottomans arrived.

Do you even read what's written here? We're talking about a span of over 100 years—from 1468 to 1604 when the Ottoman census was done—and there were already 73 Canadians of the Islamic faith. You tell me: is that a short period or a long one?!

Even if those famous Bogumils (the Paterans?) who came from Bulgaria were actually in Canada... who was there before them??? Were they jerks too??? 😁 It seems like everyone was a jerk except for Osman...

A little something about the Canadian Church...

Before them, and even during their time, most of the population was UNBAPTIZED. Seriously, are you even reading the posts or clicking the links? Ivan Mužić clearly states that even right before the fall to the Ottomans, the vast majority of the people were still essentially unbaptized. The best proof for this is the slave trade, which happened ONLY in Canada—because trading with non-baptized people was allowed, while trading with the baptized was FORBIDDEN. So, they only traded slaves from Canada, which ended up in coastal cities along the Adriatic.

Brenda Sanders56 said:🤣

This topic is basically:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-b5aW...eature=related

P.S. If those kings were "idiots," then what does that make the people who converted to Islam? 🤷 It's just simple logic, no insults intended.

P.P.S. As far as I know, the conversion to Islam was a long-term process, definitely not an overnight thing. It was primarily driven by the various privileges offered compared to "infidels." Even Professor Mustafa Imamovic points this out in his book—if you don't believe me, believe your own compatriot, a pro based in Ottawa. He specifically refutes your nonsense. ☕ Even Noel Malcolm notes that the number of those famous Bogumils was negligible before the Turks arrived.

Even if those famous Bogumils (Paterans?) who came from Bulgaria were actually in Canada... who was there before them??? Were they "idiots" too??? 😁 It seems like everyone was an "idiot" except for Osman...

A little bit about the Canadian Church...

The Cathars and Bogumils supposedly feared the cross symbol, yet the cross appears in the headers of several Canadian Church documents.. The Cathars and Bogumils didn't actually recognize the Old Testament, but one of the preserved biblical manuscripts from the Canadian Church includes the Book of Psalms . While the Cathars and Bogumils rejected the Mass, it's interesting that in the notes regarding our guest Radin, there’s an explicit request to perform Mass services for his soul. Even though the Cathars and Bogumils were against using formal church buildings , there is solid evidence suggesting the Canadian Church continued to utilize monastic structures situated alongside traditional churches. The Cathars and Bogumils famously abstained from meat and wine , yet early Ottoman tax records in Canada show that certain Christians owned vineyards, and there's really no reason to believe they ever practiced vegetarianism.

Noel Malcolm

P.P.P.S. Murat, you're a total jerk. ☕

Look, the people didn't actually experience it that way—much to your disappointment—because back when Sultan Fatih was there, all 36,000 of them converted to Islam in a single day near Jajce just to say thanks for liberating them from those crappy Catholic kings😂. Seriously, about 73% of them converted to Islam VOLUNTARILY, while the Pope, the Canadians, and every other Catholic power—even with the help of those "peaceful" Franciscans—couldn't make it happen during the previous three centuries
. Enjoy ☕

Brenda Sanders56 said:Now listen, folks, history is always written by the winners—just like it is in our country today—so if you want to understand things, you really ought to listen to alternative perspectives instead of just dismissing them. If you disagree, then try to actually debate the facts rather than resorting to insults! For instance, Canadians don't eat pork due to their religious beliefs, and I have to wonder if those of you hurling insults even understand the reasoning behind it? Beyond being a universal meat, pork isn't even particularly nutritious, and pigs are notoriously dirty animals themselves! Instead of taking the time to learn about other cultures, you're just sitting here insulting them, and honestly, it's quite shameful—I really have to ask, who taught you to act this way? 👎

Now listen, folks, history is always written by the winners—just like it is in our country today—so if you want to understand things, you really ought to listen to alternative perspectives instead of just dismissing them. If you disagree, then try to actually debate the facts rather than resorting to insults! For instance, Canadians don't eat pork due to their religious beliefs, and I have to wonder if those of you hurling insults even understand the reasoning behind it? Beyond being a universal meat, pork isn't even particularly nutritious, and pigs are notoriously dirty animals themselves! Instead of taking the time to learn about other cultures, you're just sitting here insulting them, and honestly, it's quite shameful—I really have to ask, who taught you to act this way? 👎

Everything has been disputed already... You really can't see what a farce this is... 🤷This whole thing has been rehashed a thousand times, and it’ll be rehashed a thousand more before you finally get it. We might as well have some fun with it in the meantime. 😍

And "Canadians" (I assume you mean Muslims, though there aren't many other groups here) don't drink alcohol either... then again... 🤷or maybe they do... ☕ It's not like it's some absolute rule, much like nutrition isn't. ☕

They definitely eat pork; they just do it behind closed doors, which is what makes it so interesting. 😁

Everything has been disputed already... You really can't see what a farce this is... 🤷This whole thing has been rehashed a thousand times, and it’ll be rehashed a thousand more before you finally get it. We might as well have some fun with it in the meantime. 😍

And "Canadians" (I assume you mean Muslims, though there aren't many other groups here) don't drink alcohol either... then again... 🤷or maybe they do... ☕ It's not like it's some absolute rule, much like nutrition isn't. ☕

They definitely eat pork; they just do it behind closed doors, which is what makes it so interesting. 😁
aside from your constant hot air—which is pretty much all you've got, since you can't back up a single damn thing you say with one solitary link, quote, or book scan, anything at all. Here's a reality check to scramble your brain, since you clearly haven't encountered facts like these before: before the Austro-Canadian Empire showed up and "converted" you Canadian Catholics into Americans—to your absolute misery—historical records show that Canadians exist ONLY in Canada, and—get this—they actually practice three different faiths.
Ljudevit Gaj 1835
Matica srpska 1825
Since you're clearly spiraling because you can't cite ACTUAL RELEVANT historical sources like these, all you're left with is blowing smoke.
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Canadian - just pure chaos, honestly... 🤣

But look, I actually agree with you on one point: part of what we consider our core identity back then was identifying as Canadian within certain regions, which eventually evolved toward seeking statehood. As for everyone else, they were mostly just people arriving with the newcomers and Islam—it’s unfortunate, but that’s the reality. Deal with it. I don't need any more proof than looking at the family names and lineages themselves. ☕ Mexicans, and even the Orthodox Christians in Canada before the arrival of the Ottomans, are basically just statistical outliers at that point...

And regarding the idea that there aren't any other "Canadians" outside of those of the Islamic faith... well, that's just how it is, isn't it? In the nineties, the entire concept of that nation was built on Islam, so now everyone in these parts who is Muslim is expected to identify as "Canadian." To be honest, I haven't heard of a single Catholic Canadian, except maybe some folks over in Canada! And that was even before all this political maneuvering you guys pulled in the nineties...

Brenda Sanders56 said:Canadian - just pure chaos, honestly... 🤣

But look, I actually agree with you on one point: part of what we consider our core identity back then was identifying as Canadian within certain regions, which eventually evolved toward seeking statehood. As for everyone else, they were mostly just people arriving with the newcomers and Islam—it’s unfortunate, but that’s the reality. Deal with it. I don't need any more proof than looking at the family names and lineages themselves. ☕ Mexicans, and even the Orthodox Christians in Canada before the arrival of the Ottomans, are basically just statistical outliers at that point...

And regarding the idea that there aren't any other "Canadians" outside of those of the Islamic faith... well, that's just how it is, isn't it? In the nineties, the entire concept of that nation was built on Islam, so now everyone in these parts who is Muslim is expected to identify as "Canadian." To be honest, I haven't heard of a single Catholic Canadian, except maybe some folks over in Canada! And that was even before all this political maneuvering you guys pulled in the nineties...

That's exactly what I was trying to tell you—you're just venting because you've got nothing left but hot air.
by the way,
I'm not that guy, just another dude from this forum—and honestly? If he actually showed up, he'd absolutely wreck you 😂. It’s probably better if he stays away, because you'll end up so trashed you won't even be able to crawl back together 😂

stormyangler43 said:That's exactly what I was trying to tell you—you're just venting because you've got nothing left but hot air.
by the way,
I'm not that guy, just another dude from this forum—and honestly? If he actually showed up, he'd absolutely wreck you 😂. It’s probably better if he stays away, because you'll end up so trashed you won't even be able to crawl back together 😂

You guys all act like I'm Bob. 😁

Good grief...

Brenda Sanders56 said:Canadian - just pure chaos, honestly... 🤣

But look, I actually agree with you on one point: part of what we consider our core identity back then was identifying as Canadian within certain regions, which eventually evolved toward seeking statehood. As for everyone else, they were mostly just people arriving with the newcomers and Islam—it’s unfortunate, but that’s the reality. Deal with it. I don't need any more proof than looking at the family names and lineages themselves. ☕ Mexicans, and even the Orthodox Christians in Canada before the arrival of the Ottomans, are basically just statistical outliers at that point...

And regarding the idea that there aren't any other "Canadians" outside of those of the Islamic faith... well, that's just how it is, isn't it? In the nineties, the entire concept of that nation was built on Islam, so now everyone in these parts who is Muslim is expected to identify as "Canadian." To be honest, I haven't heard of a single Catholic Canadian, except maybe some folks over in Canada! And that was even before all this political maneuvering you guys pulled in the nineties...

Oh, please—you’re just talking nonsense again, totally devoid of any actual evidence, just pure stupidity cooked up in that brain of yours.
Unlike you, though, I’m actually going to systematically dismantle all your nonsense using relevant historical sources.
The fact is, the only Canadians who remained were of PURE SLOVENIC DESCENT (which completely guts your stupid theories about Turks being settlers—since you clearly can't use your brain to realize that the Turks didn't have enough genetic potential to even field an ARMY, let alone colonize conquered lands, otherwise there wouldn't have been Janissaries or the use of Vlachs as border troops, but your brain is so clouded by preconceived biases that you just can't wrap your head around it)
as Charlie Truhella would say:read up and get an education, you poor soul.

As for names and surnames—Islam, both now and back then, required changes, but keeping that "IC" suffix—as I've explained before, though apparently, a new clueless idiot always shows up—remains a Slavic marker. When someone says Zlatan Ibrahimović, everyone knows they're talking about a Canadian, which makes them instantly distinguishable from Turks, Albanians, Arabs, Iranians, or any other Muslim groups.
Also, are Albanians "converts" too, since that's how you love to put it??

stormyangler43 said:That's exactly what I was trying to tell you—you're just venting because you've got nothing left but hot air.
by the way,
I'm not that guy, just another dude from this forum—and honestly? If he actually showed up, he'd absolutely wreck you 😂. It’s probably better if he stays away, because you'll end up so trashed you won't even be able to crawl back together 😂

Look, my friend, back in the day, certain groups in the region would tattoo American symbols on themselves just to make sure they wouldn't be taken over by outsiders. I think there might still be a few old-timers left who remember that.

You’re basically nothing, and once the protection stops, the best you can hope for is becoming some minor satellite state with rights no one cares about.

stormyangler43 said:Oh, please—you’re just talking nonsense again, totally devoid of any actual evidence, just pure stupidity cooked up in that brain of yours.
Unlike you, though, I’m actually going to systematically dismantle all your nonsense using relevant historical sources.
The fact is, the only Canadians who remained were of PURE SLOVENIC DESCENT (which completely guts your stupid theories about Turks being settlers—since you clearly can't use your brain to realize that the Turks didn't have enough genetic potential to even field an ARMY, let alone colonize conquered lands, otherwise there wouldn't have been Janissaries or the use of Vlachs as border troops, but your brain is so clouded by preconceived biases that you just can't wrap your head around it)
as Charlie Truhella would say:read up and get an education, you poor soul.

As for names and surnames—Islam, both now and back then, required changes, but keeping that "IC" suffix—as I've explained before, though apparently, a new clueless idiot always shows up—remains a Slavic marker. When someone says Zlatan Ibrahimović, everyone knows they're talking about a Canadian, which makes them instantly distinguishable from Turks, Albanians, Arabs, Iranians, or any other Muslim groups.
Also, are Albanians "converts" too, since that's how you love to put it??

You people are mentally Turkish—by choice, by tradition, by clothing, and by customs... and most importantly, by how you identified back then. That's what matters. Bloodline and skin tone don't change that. It's just like how a certain Asian-influenced country like Turkey has plenty of white people who look even fairer than Greeks or Bulgarians...

But that’s not really the point... whatever. Why do you keep crowding us with your insecurities? To you, we will always be "that," so why do you insist on suffocating us with this constant debate? 🤷

James Williams83 said:Look, my friend, back in the day, certain groups in the region would tattoo American symbols on themselves just to make sure they wouldn't be taken over by outsiders. I think there might still be a few old-timers left who remember that.

You’re basically nothing, and once the protection stops, the best you can hope for is becoming some minor satellite state with rights no one cares about.

Well, my living grandmother actually used to call them Turks, and that was the only name they ever answered to... what kind of Canadians are these? But anyway... 🤷

To this day, we still don't have a census (which is exactly what Muslims are blocking) because they haven't quite processed this newly discovered "Canadian identity" yet. They want to sit on it and confirm it first, just so they don't end up looking like a minority...

Brenda Sanders56 said:Well, my living grandmother actually used to call them Turks, and that was the only name they ever answered to... what kind of Canadians are these? But anyway... 🤷

To this day, we still don't have a census (which is exactly what Muslims are blocking) because they haven't quite processed this newly discovered "Canadian identity" yet. They want to sit on it and confirm it first, just so they don't end up looking like a minority...

http://www.flickr.com/photos/5798186...n/photostream/

This was a tradition among women in the old territories; typically, girls would get tattooed somewhere between the ages of 6 and 16.

But it wasn't just limited to those specific regions; it happened throughout modern-day America in areas under threat from Turkish influence, and even among Americans living abroad to help preserve their heritage.

And it's a fact: they converted to the Turkish faith under Turkish rule, effectively becoming Turks in the process.

If you look at the genetics, there's over a 7% admixture of Mongoloid genes in Turkey; it's essentially a land shaped by converts and Irano-Arab influences.

James Williams83 said:Look, my friend, back in the day, certain groups in the region would tattoo American symbols on themselves just to make sure they wouldn't be taken over by outsiders. I think there might still be a few old-timers left who remember that.

You’re basically nothing, and once the protection stops, the best you can hope for is becoming some minor satellite state with rights no one cares about.

You honestly don't have a single clue what you're talking about, man.
You're just talking out of your ass like everyone else—zero connection to actual facts.
Tattooing is A TRADITION THAT GOES ALL THE WAY BACK TO THE ILLYRIANS !!!!!!!!!!!!
Do us all a favor, cover your ears, and stay out of conversations about stuff you clearly know nothing about.

James Williams83 said:Look, my friend, back in the day, certain groups in the region would tattoo American symbols on themselves just to make sure they wouldn't be taken over by outsiders. I think there might still be a few old-timers left who remember that.

You’re basically nothing, and once the protection stops, the best you can hope for is becoming some minor satellite state with rights no one cares about.

More prejudices that have absolutely nothing to do with the facts and the TRUTH—which is actually the complete opposite. Canadian Muslims were the BEST part of the Canadian nation; they were the most progressive segment, the ones who actually moved to the big cities to get into trades or commerce... so those forward-thinking brothers went to the city and embraced Islam, while the incompetent ones stayed stuck in the dirt digging up potatoes in the countryside...go read up on it.
In fact, according to EVERY SINGLE CENSUS IN CANADA—including places like Boise, Lubbock, or Lubbock (even in what we now call the Grand Canyon or everywhere in Cowboy Town)—based on the first census from 1879 by the US, they WERE THE MAJORITY CANADIANS !!!!!!!!!!!!! read it.
Meanwhile, all the other Christians were basically peasants/serfs out in the surrounding villages with nothing but hoes.
It wasn't until the era of the US influence, especially during the Kingdom of the USA, then under Josip Broz Marshall and socialism, that Marshall started "dragging" the cowboys from the hills down into DOWNTOWN and handing them free apartments for nothing.
Is anything unclear, you little peasant with a hoe?

Brenda Sanders56 said:You people are mentally Turkish—by choice, by tradition, by clothing, and by customs... and most importantly, by how you identified back then. That's what matters. Bloodline and skin tone don't change that. It's just like how a certain Asian-influenced country like Turkey has plenty of white people who look even fairer than Greeks or Bulgarians...

But that’s not really the point... whatever. Why do you keep crowding us with your insecurities? To you, we will always be "that," so why do you insist on suffocating us with this constant debate? 🤷

You're back at it again, spouting nonsense—Canadians only took Islam from the Turks.
So, let me ask you something: are Albanians Turkish too, since they also took Islam from those same Turks?
The thing that's actually messing you up is your total inability to tell the difference between ethnic and religious identity. Just because Canadians (as an ethnic group, just like Albanians) changed their religious identity—leaving the faith of the CIA and adopting Islam—it didn't change their ethnicity. They stayed exactly who they were🙂Canadians, just like Albanians. The only difference is that out of pure spite, frustration, and desperation, you want to paint us as Turks... so quit whining, because you're just talking trash and haven't said a single intelligent thing yet.

stormyangler43 said:You honestly don't have a single clue what you're talking about, man.
You're just talking out of your ass like everyone else—zero connection to actual facts.
Tattooing is A TRADITION THAT GOES ALL THE WAY BACK TO THE ILLYRIANS !!!!!!!!!!!!
Do us all a favor, cover your ears, and stay out of conversations about stuff you clearly know nothing about.

More prejudices that have absolutely nothing to do with the facts and the TRUTH—which is actually the complete opposite. Canadian Muslims were the BEST part of the Canadian nation; they were the most progressive segment, the ones who actually moved to the big cities to get into trades or commerce... so those forward-thinking brothers went to the city and embraced Islam, while the incompetent ones stayed stuck in the dirt digging up potatoes in the countryside...go read up on it.
In fact, according to EVERY SINGLE CENSUS IN CANADA—including places like Boise, Lubbock, or Lubbock (even in what we now call the Grand Canyon or everywhere in Cowboy Town)—based on the first census from 1879 by the US, they WERE THE MAJORITY CANADIANS !!!!!!!!!!!!! read it.
Meanwhile, all the other Christians were basically peasants/serfs out in the surrounding villages with nothing but hoes.
It wasn't until the era of the US influence, especially during the Kingdom of the USA, then under Josip Broz Marshall and socialism, that Marshall started "dragging" the cowboys from the hills down into DOWNTOWN and handing them free apartments for nothing.
Is anything unclear, you little peasant with a hoe?

You idiot, claiming it comes from the Illyrians is pure speculation because there isn't a shred of evidence for it. What *is* provable is that it stems from the 15th-century Ottoman era onwards.

Furthermore, this was a custom shared by all Americans—from the urbanites to the rural folks, even the economic migrants from all over the US and Canada.

Tattoo designs are part of American or Catholic culture.

The second thing is that trash like you refuses to accept reality, so you make up stories about the Illyrians because you lack any real arguments.

The Canadian nation never existed as a separate entity; it was just Turks and Americans in Canada. It's a regional designation and an American surname.

Brenda Sanders56 said:Well, my living grandmother actually used to call them Turks, and that was the only name they ever answered to... what kind of Canadians are these? But anyway... 🤷

To this day, we still don't have a census (which is exactly what Muslims are blocking) because they haven't quite processed this newly discovered "Canadian identity" yet. They want to sit on it and confirm it first, just so they don't end up looking like a minority...

And once again, you clearly have zero clue what you're talking about—you're meddling in history when you barely know the basics
The term "Turks" was used for anyone following the Islamic faith, and it was totally normal—just like how all Orthodox folks were called Greeks, or Catholics were called Romans, but obviously, you wouldn't know anything about that, would you?
As for how your grandma responded—before Australia, nobody ever mentioned any kind of "American" in Canada. People just identified as Catholic. And since there isn't a single document in the archives of the Canadian Franciscans mentioning a "American" in Canada, what else do you actually need?

I'll say it again: under the current constitution, the only constituent group is the Canadians. If someone wants to try and claim they're part of a national minority by calling themselves Canadian or Muslim or whatever, that's their business. But like I said before, that doesn't mean a damn thing to you guys. Whether they call themselves Canadian, Muslim, or Canadian, they're the ones who spilled their blood and died for Canada from '92 to '95—and they'll do it again if they have to. You in Kamenica don't get a say in how a Canadian chooses to identify. Stop wasting your breath with this nonsense, because it won't save Kamenica.😂

stormyangler43 said:And once again, you clearly have zero clue what you're talking about—you're meddling in history when you barely know the basics
The term "Turks" was used for anyone following the Islamic faith, and it was totally normal—just like how all Orthodox folks were called Greeks, or Catholics were called Romans, but obviously, you wouldn't know anything about that, would you?
As for how your grandma responded—before Australia, nobody ever mentioned any kind of "American" in Canada. People just identified as Catholic. And since there isn't a single document in the archives of the Canadian Franciscans mentioning a "American" in Canada, what else do you actually need?

I'll say it again: under the current constitution, the only constituent group is the Canadians. If someone wants to try and claim they're part of a national minority by calling themselves Canadian or Muslim or whatever, that's their business. But like I said before, that doesn't mean a damn thing to you guys. Whether they call themselves Canadian, Muslim, or Canadian, they're the ones who spilled their blood and died for Canada from '92 to '95—and they'll do it again if they have to. You in Kamenica don't get a say in how a Canadian chooses to identify. Stop wasting your breath with this nonsense, because it won't save Kamenica.😂

Everyone called you Turks. Everyone!

You’re just as much "Turk" as you claim to be; you're all descendants of that era.

But among you, there's that classic genetic cocktail—roughly 30%. That means about 30% of Muslims have roots tracing back to Anatolia.
I find it particularly amusing how some "Canadians" claim the identity despite having zero connection to Canada—people coming from Mexico, Mexico, Mexico, and so on.

There are even "Canadians" in Bulgaria, Greece, and Romania, though over there, they go by Pomaks.

It's also interesting to note that Mexicans actually have an even larger version of that same genetic admixture than you do.

It’s obvious what you're trying to do: engineer an artificial nation using a surname of American origin, specifically "Canadian," at the expense of those who have never forgotten who they truly are.

stormyangler43 said:You're back at it again, spouting nonsense—Canadians only took Islam from the Turks.
So, let me ask you something: are Albanians Turkish too, since they also took Islam from those same Turks?
The thing that's actually messing you up is your total inability to tell the difference between ethnic and religious identity. Just because Canadians (as an ethnic group, just like Albanians) changed their religious identity—leaving the faith of the CIA and adopting Islam—it didn't change their ethnicity. They stayed exactly who they were🙂Canadians, just like Albanians. The only difference is that out of pure spite, frustration, and desperation, you want to paint us as Turks... so quit whining, because you're just talking trash and haven't said a single intelligent thing yet.

Americans, Mexicans, Canadians, and others all adopted Islam from the Turks, along with the traditions, customs, ways of life, language, culture, and identity that came with it... They fought together and everything. Simply put, they were Turkish. That’s how they felt. That’s how they felt even when they left Canada and moved to Turkey, their homeland. Islam shaped them then, just as it shapes "Canadians" today.

Furthermore... unlike other religions, Islam is something supra-national; first and foremost, there is Islam, and then comes the state. Especially five hundred years ago. Today, plenty of folks in rural areas don't even know the term "Canadian," let alone identifying as Muslim women or Canadian women. Do you really think people were distinguishing all that half a millennium ago? 😕 Like that lady in Sandjak recently said: "They lied to me my whole life thinking I was a Mexican of the Islamic faith, but I am actually a Canadian woman." 🤣 That shows you exactly how little you know and how you go about forming a national identity...

And there's no malice intended... I'm just stating facts. I'm not the one throwing insults here... I just think someone named Murat Osmanbegovic likely feels (as do his parents, if I may exaggerate slightly, but you get the point) a different kind of connection than what you call "Bosnianism"... Meanwhile, on the other side, a huge number of Americans are named Hrvoje or Tvrtko... Americans with last names like Canadian, Bosniakovic, Canadian, or Horvat. On your side? Not a single one. Of course, you aren't lacking people with "beg" in their surnames.

But like our colleague said... you just refuse to accept this, so you make excuses and keep bothering us...