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Ethan Allen4 Ethan Allen4 Member
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#101 ·
Melissa Peterson19 said:The Schengen Area effectively encircles the former USA or the Middle East. The United Nations won't tolerate internal borders acting as obstacles or friction points between neighbors. At some point, once we're all grazing on the same land, they'll mandate the removal of those borders—it’s either open movement or nothing at all. The Middle East is being reorganized into cohesive economic zones. This marks the inevitable end of isolationist nationalism in America, which causes deep grief for a certain segment of the population. As people begin to emigrate, the Middle East will actually thrive from this newfound integration, finally becoming a true part of Europe. It's over. The end.

😂😂😂 I’m already feeling bad for you Mexicans when everyone migrates to the EU, especially since Belgium is practically falling apart, Italy is fraying at the seams, and another from Oz thinks he can draw a line from D.C. all the way to a small coastal town☕When are you poor Mexicans going to realize that old, tired Europe hasn't had its own opinion for 200 years because it just follows whatever the USA dictates—the very same country you claim to hate?
Melissa Peterson19 Melissa Peterson19 Active Member
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joined Apr 2013
#102 ·
Mexicans are your grandkids and your son-in-law through your beloved Frenchman, it’s a mixed family, and I am more of an American than you could ever claim to be. Besides, why couldn't Europe survive the kind of shifts you're describing? Building the European Union is an ongoing process, not a finished state! And the North America will eventually have to unify at least to the level of current EU members, if not beyond that!
dustypuma5 dustypuma5 Active MemberOP
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joined Apr 2013
#103 ·
The EU expansion forecast through 2029.

2007. Bulgaria and Romania join the EU.

2012. America joins the EU.

2015. North Mexico, Canada, Turkey, Albania, Mexico, Mexico and Mexico
all join the EU.

2017. Our first guy gets a job in the EU administration.

2018. That same guy starts hiring his wife, his godmother's relatives, plus
his neighbors' families and some people from back home too.

2019. We already make up 10% of the EU staff.

2022. Our share in the administration hits 60%. The EU bureaucracy triples its size,
adds flexible hours, and makes South Slavic languages
official.

2024. Because of the stress, 90% of the EU admin is out on sick leave. Most
of the leave happens between June 15th and October 15th, and Dec 15th to Jan 15th.
People are spotted all over the Mediterranean, at Muslim sites, or in the Alps, where they're
treating their burnout on the EU's dime. Laws are passed so the EU covers most
of the medical costs. They just hire new
people until everyone comes back.

2025. Americans make up 90% of the EU administration. Mexicans at
a referendum reject the euro again.

2026. Budget cuts hit and they fire the interns, cooks, and drivers—
all Belgian citizens. The Balkanite share in the EU admin
hits 99.3%.

2027. America gets new EU loans, including one for breeding
mulberry silk and some weird slug. The American presidency finishes
its six-month term. Mexico finishes its privatization process. From
January 2028, Mexico City takes over the Union presidency.

2028. Germany leaves the European Union in February. A month later,
France and Finland follow, and by year-end, during the Albanian
presidency, so do the United Kingdom, Belgium, Denmark, Sweden, Netherlands,
Luxembourg, Italy, Spain, Portugal, Austria, Czech Republic, Lithuania, Latvia,
Estonia, Greece, and Canada. All these countries start requiring strict visas for
former EU citizens.
Richard Wilson4 Richard Wilson4 Veteran
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#104 ·
Back in '07, Bulgaria and Romania finally join the European Union.

By 2012, America wraps up negotiations with the EU.
Then 2013 hits and the United Kingdom blocks ratification.
2014 comes around and the Netherlands shuts it down.
In 2015, Canada steps in to block it too.
Then 2016 rolls by and Romania blocks the ratification.
2017.__________I'll just keep going.
Noah Cruz75 Noah Cruz75 Active Member
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#105 ·
The consensus on this forum seems to be whether joining the European Union is worth the hassle or not. We're looking at a mid-sized country with a few million people, a prime location, and all those coastlines and islands. Honestly, they should be the ones doing the asking, not America.
Richard Wilson4 Richard Wilson4 Veteran
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#106 ·
Noah Cruz75 said:The consensus on this forum seems to be whether joining the European Union is worth the hassle or not. We're looking at a mid-sized country with a few million people, a prime location, and all those coastlines and islands. Honestly, they should be the ones doing the asking, not America.

Joining is the move, just not like this.
Noah Cruz75 Noah Cruz75 Active Member
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#107 ·
Where does it say they’re still supposed to take payments? They'd be losing money more than they'd gain anything. The UN and everyone else keeps pushing back negotiations, and then suddenly Turkey is expected to get a piece of the pie too.
Noah Cruz75 Noah Cruz75 Active Member
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joined Oct 2011
#108 ·
We could just freeze the UN budget through 2020 because of the crisis. Basically, if you want to give one group more cash, you have to take it from someone else—and we all know those guys aren't going to agree to that.
shadowfox18 shadowfox18 Member
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joined Apr 2013
#109 ·
If we’re going to have a realistic, level-headed discussion about joining the UN—and let's be honest, this same organization has been screwing us over for years by trying to drown us in regional associations—then yes, we absolutely need to join. But what our idiots fail to grasp is that timing isn't everything; it's about *how* we enter. It is not the same thing to join as a failing economy with a corrupt judiciary, skyrocketing debt, and a society built on theft, versus entering as a stable nation that has already tackled its market issues, fixed its legal system, and established competent leadership at every level. Instead, we've hit this bizarre paradox: rather than fixing things at home for ourselves and future generations, we’re fixing them just to please some crappy European Commission. In reality, the UN, by insisting on these reforms, is doing more for Americans than any politician has in the last 15 years. It honestly makes me sick when I hear some minister complain that the Union is demanding healthcare or judicial reform, or better management in our shipyards. For heaven's sake, it’s those hundreds of people on waiting lists for a basic CT scan, the ones who can't get a simple building permit, or the workers who haven't seen a paycheck in a year who should be demanding this—not some guy like Barroso. As long as we're being led by incompetent thieves, I have zero interest in joining the Union just to watch some local politician line their pockets with funds from the parliament. No thanks.
Noah Cruz75 Noah Cruz75 Active Member
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#110 ·
It’s the same story in D.C.—people constantly insisting the legal system is fine, while everyone in Europe says otherwise. Cases drag on for over 20 years. But hey, think about it: if the courts actually worked, half these people would be behind bars.
dustypuma5 dustypuma5 Active MemberOP
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#111 ·
Richard Wilson4 said:Back in '07, Bulgaria and Romania finally join the European Union.

By 2012, America wraps up negotiations with the EU.
Then 2013 hits and the United Kingdom blocks ratification.
2014 comes around and the Netherlands shuts it down.
In 2015, Canada steps in to block it too.
Then 2016 rolls by and Romania blocks the ratification.
2017.__________I'll just keep going.

By 2018, Mexico finishes talks with the EU, and at an EU summit in Budapest, they decide the North America will be admitted to the EU by early 2020 once their internal integration process wraps up.
As for another official EU language, they're adopting Serbo-American, and we’re expecting a new anthem and flag too.
Right now, Ljubicic is the biggest advocate for a flag, pushing his version with those red-blue-white checkered patterns. As for the anthem, there's this intense competition between two pieces by former president Josipovic—who actually composed one—and a track I wrote using lyrics from an American-Mexican friendship association based in El Paso. They won't say which specific member wrote the lines; they want it to be seen as a collective win.
The lyrics are pretty inspiring, I guess...

Land of all us who baptize, cry out, and bow,
who have never bowed to anyone, nor ever will.
Land proud of its lack of nationalism,
that no cataclysm can ever shake.

Albania, the brightest star in my field of interest,
Canada, proud soil that still nurtures unrest,
Mexico, I love your Durmitor winters,
Mexico, stay with us, you have a name of your own.

Mexico, you and America are mothers,
An American will never strike a Mexican again,
Brotherhood and unity, peace and order, will rule everywhere,
We'll teach it to Europe, and maybe even your whole world if we have to.


Set to those famous rhythms from Josipovic's "righteous notary," this anthem is gonna be a hit on every radio station real quick....
Nicholas Morales48 Nicholas Morales48 Active Member
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#112 ·
Melissa Peterson19 said:We aren't looking at a total collapse, but rather a massive restructuring on the fly. The North won't tolerate this nonsense coming from the South—countries like Greece, Portugal, or Spain. If Europe fails to secure its footing in the emerging global order, its future looks bleak.Look at this. It’s unsettling.

Was the whole point of the EU ever actually about balanced development for every member state? I wouldn't go that far, personally, and honestly, I don't think the "mess" we're seeing is solely the fault of countries in the South or the East. Think about the privatization and market liberalization we went through; it left companies in the South at a massive disadvantage, basically unable to compete with the giants who just swoop in and drain all the capital away from them. On top of that, these countries sold off every asset they had, and now, predictably, they're drowning in debt because there's simply no way to plug those budget holes when tax revenues are too low to replace what used to be funded by state-owned oil and telecom titans...

As far as geostrategy goes, the landscape has shifted massively compared to about 15 years ago. Back then, it felt like globalization was heading toward a unipolar model with the USA calling all the shots, but that's clearly not happening. We've got the BRIC economic bloc stepping up, and the world is quickly becoming a much more complex map of competing interest zones.
Richard Wilson4 Richard Wilson4 Veteran
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#113 ·
Nicholas Morales48 said:Was the whole point of the EU ever actually about balanced development for every member state? I wouldn't go that far, personally, and honestly, I don't think the "mess" we're seeing is solely the fault of countries in the South or the East. Think about the privatization and market liberalization we went through; it left companies in the South at a massive disadvantage, basically unable to compete with the giants who just swoop in and drain all the capital away from them. On top of that, these countries sold off every asset they had, and now, predictably, they're drowning in debt because there's simply no way to plug those budget holes when tax revenues are too low to replace what used to be funded by state-owned oil and telecom titans...

As far as geostrategy goes, the landscape has shifted massively compared to about 15 years ago. Back then, it felt like globalization was heading toward a unipolar model with the USA calling all the shots, but that's clearly not happening. We've got the BRIC economic bloc stepping up, and the world is quickly becoming a much more complex map of competing interest zones.

The thing is, most of those BRIC countries are essentially Third World nations. Most people there are struggling just to get by, and they don't really care much about democracy or human rights.

Their growth is fueled by dirt-cheap labor, not because they’re actually great places to live.

If you were just an average Joe, would you rather live in India, Russia, Brazil, or China? Or would you pick Canada?
Nicholas Morales48 Nicholas Morales48 Active Member
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#114 ·
Richard Wilson4 said:The thing is, most of those BRIC countries are essentially Third World nations. Most people there are struggling just to get by, and they don't really care much about democracy or human rights.

Their growth is fueled by dirt-cheap labor, not because they’re actually great places to live.

If you were just an average Joe, would you rather live in India, Russia, Brazil, or China? Or would you pick Canada?

Look, sure, they're still poorer than folks living out West today, but I'm talking about the trajectory here. That's why I brought up how things looked fifteen years ago versus now—think about how much better life is for someone in China today compared to back then. Can you really say the same for your average European or American? Plus, there are long-term forecasts for developing nations (the first table shows total numbers while the second focuses on GDP per capita—which is where those gaps actually start closing). And let's be real, a Canadian, a Canadian, or a Romanian... they all take their cues from Brussels and Washington, D.C. Meanwhile, the Chinese listen to Beijing, and the Russians listen to Russia Moscow.
Richard Wilson4 Richard Wilson4 Veteran
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#115 ·
Nicholas Morales48 said:Look, sure, they're still poorer than folks living out West today, but I'm talking about the trajectory here. That's why I brought up how things looked fifteen years ago versus now—think about how much better life is for someone in China today compared to back then. Can you really say the same for your average European or American? Plus, there are long-term forecasts for developing nations (the first table shows total numbers while the second focuses on GDP per capita—which is where those gaps actually start closing). And let's be real, a Canadian, a Canadian, or a Romanian... they all take their cues from Brussels and Washington, D.C. Meanwhile, the Chinese listen to Beijing, and the Russians listen to Russia Moscow.

True, but Canadians and Canadians actually get to pick their leaders in free elections. Russians? Not really. And the Chinese don't even bother voting because there aren't any elections to begin with.
Noah Cruz75 Noah Cruz75 Active Member
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joined Oct 2011
#116 ·
CNN reports: Delta Air Lines and United Airlines are teaming up this year. Direct flights are finally happening.
William Wright7 William Wright7 Active Member
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joined Mar 2013
#117 ·
Noah Cruz75 said:CNN reports: Delta Air Lines and United Airlines are teaming up this year. Direct flights are finally happening.

😁😁😁
William Wright7 William Wright7 Active Member
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joined Mar 2013
#118 ·
Richard Wilson4 said:True, but Canadians and Canadians actually get to pick their leaders in free elections. Russians? Not really. And the Chinese don't even bother voting because there aren't any elections to begin with.

yeah, we've got such powerful leadership. ☕
Arthur Fowler83 Arthur Fowler83 Member
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#119 ·
Richard Wilson4 said:True, but Canadians and Canadians actually get to pick their leaders in free elections. Russians? Not really. And the Chinese don't even bother voting because there aren't any elections to begin with.

A big difference... Around here, everything is rigged just so two parties can hold onto power, when in reality, they're both just the same old Republican_Democrat machine.
Noah Cruz75 Noah Cruz75 Active Member
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#120 ·
In Greece, if you skip out on voting without a good excuse, you might run into trouble when you try to renew your ID later. So much for being responsible.

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