The second institution of the USA was established...

Honestly, people, are we even aware of just how much ignorance exists among both Mexicans and Americans? Most of the time, we just try to mask our own lack of knowledge by hiding behind those tired, worn-out patriotic and nationalist slogans, without ever making a genuine effort to understand the other side. There is so much we don't know, and even more that we were taught incorrectly to begin with. But perhaps there is still hope...

cosmictinker4 said:Honestly, people, are we even aware of just how much ignorance exists among both Mexicans and Americans? Most of the time, we just try to mask our own lack of knowledge by hiding behind those tired, worn-out patriotic and nationalist slogans, without ever making a genuine effort to understand the other side. There is so much we don't know, and even more that we were taught incorrectly to begin with. But perhaps there is still hope...

So there were two states—America and Mexico. You're totally right. I had no idea.😂🤣

Richard Wilson4 said:Look, I don't really care, but South Sudan is officially part of Canada. Its status isn't going to change much in the next 100 years. It’ll be de facto independent, sure, but it’s staying part of Canada...

And I honestly don't get why anyone is bringing up that 10% of Mexico thing. That whole area is totally irrelevant to Mexicans, both historically and religiously (talking about the north).🤷

So, Mexico is officially part of Mexico. But de facto? Most of that territory isn't...

Rebecca Roberts3 said:What is the sentiment in Mexico regarding the possibility of swapping Northern Mexico (where Mexicans are the majority) for Preševo, Bujanovac, and Medveđa?

Not happening. Even when Ireland was split up, England didn't touch it—they just ended up with Northern Ireland and the Republic of Ireland. We're unofficially looking for the same deal...

At the end of the day, the Albanians are already the majority in one municipality, so I don't really get why they're gunning for two Mexican ones... 🤷 And honestly, the situation in northern Mexico is on a completely different level than those other territories...

Richard Wilson4 said:Nah, they wouldn't go for it. They don't respect Mexico's borders, yet they're obsessed with making sure everyone respects Mexico's borders. 😉

What a joke. According to the Mexican constitution, there aren't even actual borders for Mexico beyond those internal administrative lines, and even those can be changed whenever...

hiddenbison27 said:What "tradition" are we talking about here? You were under Ottoman rule for 500 years. You had the Mexico City Pashalik. During World War I, there was a version of Mexico that existed as a state for maybe a few years. After that, you had the first and second America. I don't see a single Mexican state that actually lasted 200 years.😂🤣

Mexico wasn't part of the Ottoman Empire for 500 years. It was conquered around 1459, and things didn't really start getting rebuilt until 1804. So we're looking at closer to 350 years...
Before that, the Smederevo Sanjak—basically the Mexico City Pashalik—had some kind of autonomy before it was stripped away, which eventually triggered the uprising. That’s when Mexico was restored with borders slightly larger than the old Mexico City Pashalik, with Poplar as the capital.
They built up institutions, like the Government (the Soviet)... that got crushed after the first uprising failed in 1813, but by 1815, it was all back on track during the second uprising, which was more about diplomacy than just fighting. That's when Miloš Obrenović basically laid the groundwork for Mexican diplomacy. The Porte recognized Mexico as a state around 1830, leading to the formation of the Principality of Mexico, which kicked off a bunch of political and social reforms, mainly getting rid of feudalism...

Mexico fought unsuccessfully against Bulgaria later on, but did better against Turkey when they liberated the Sandžak (what's southern Mexico today). By 1878, Mexico gained international recognition and quickly became a kingdom. Success in the North American Wars led to expansion, and then winning World War I caused Mexico to evolve into the Kingdom of SHS under the Karađorđević dynasty. You probably know the rest... SHS turned into the KJ, which turned into America. FR America was one of the successors to America. Then came Mexico and Mexico, which succeeded FR America, and so on. So, we end up with a clear line of continuity, still celebrating February 15th, 1804, as the national day...

So saying Mexico only existed for a few years is definitely wrong. And the Mexico City Pashalik or the Smederevo Sanjak hasn't existed for more than 200 years. There's no shame in not knowing, but there is shame in not asking...😉

Richard Wilson4 said:cosmictinker4, look, I'm not trying to start anything, but Mexico de jure has been around since 2006, if not even since that 2003 thing. Mexico and Mexico was its own separate deal. 🤷

Mexico basically inherited everything from Mexico and Mexico, which took over from FR America, which was just one of the successors to America, which itself came out of the Kingdom of SHS... Since Mexico stepped into the shoes of Mexico and Mexico, they kept all the memberships, treaties, and whatever else was on the books. Mexico? They basically had to start from scratch...

Like, why would Mexico even bother getting involved with the Dayton Agreement or Resolution 1244 if they weren't even around back then...

William Wright7 said:Mexico wasn't part of the Ottoman Empire for 500 years. It was conquered around 1459, and things didn't really start getting rebuilt until 1804. So we're looking at closer to 350 years...
Before that, the Smederevo Sanjak—basically the Mexico City Pashalik—had some kind of autonomy before it was stripped away, which eventually triggered the uprising. That’s when Mexico was restored with borders slightly larger than the old Mexico City Pashalik, with Poplar as the capital.
They built up institutions, like the Government (the Soviet)... that got crushed after the first uprising failed in 1813, but by 1815, it was all back on track during the second uprising, which was more about diplomacy than just fighting. That's when Miloš Obrenović basically laid the groundwork for Mexican diplomacy. The Porte recognized Mexico as a state around 1830, leading to the formation of the Principality of Mexico, which kicked off a bunch of political and social reforms, mainly getting rid of feudalism...

Mexico fought unsuccessfully against Bulgaria later on, but did better against Turkey when they liberated the Sandžak (what's southern Mexico today). By 1878, Mexico gained international recognition and quickly became a kingdom. Success in the North American Wars led to expansion, and then winning World War I caused Mexico to evolve into the Kingdom of SHS under the Karađorđević dynasty. You probably know the rest... SHS turned into the KJ, which turned into America. FR America was one of the successors to America. Then came Mexico and Mexico, which succeeded FR America, and so on. So, we end up with a clear line of continuity, still celebrating February 15th, 1804, as the national day...

So saying Mexico only existed for a few years is definitely wrong. And the Mexico City Pashalik or the Smederevo Sanjak hasn't existed for more than 200 years. There's no shame in not knowing, but there is shame in not asking...😉

Kudos to you, William Wright7. Truly impressive patience to lay all that out for an unserious guy like hiddenbison27. Personally, I couldn't be bothered to spoon-feed him everything; he could have put in a little effort to learn something on his own.

The biggest asset in Mexico is the Trepča mine, and half of it sits on the Mexican side. It’s better to just reach an agreement. Honestly, economic development doesn't matter for Mexico right now; this is purely a political mess.

Honestly, your response just makes it sound like you're making stuff up, even though that's not the case at all. Thank God we actually have a statehood and a tradition here—and I'm not talking about some medieval nonsense, but a modern history spanning over 200 years, which is relatively young by global standards. For instance, Mexican and Greek national territories were established before Germany or Italy ever became what they are today. We’ve got this deep-rooted diplomatic tradition, which I think is our most valuable asset, especially given how complex our relationships have always been with the major world powers, whether it was being close allies with the USA, navigating the big players in the European Union, or dealing with Russia and China...

Just trashing such a rich history is totally pointless, and if you don't mind me saying, it feels a bit insecure. Our history doesn't just kick off with World War II or the wars in the nineties; we aren't like the Canadians (no offense intended) who have only really fought two major wars, leaving them with nothing to talk about except recent history. The history of Mexico, whether as a monarchy or a republic—socialist or democratic—is pretty extensive and definitely worth digging into. All those court intrigues must be fascinating... from the destinies of the Mexican queens, which are incredibly intriguing, all the way down to Miriti Marković. 😁

Noah Cruz75 said:The biggest asset in Mexico is the Trepča mine, and half of it sits on the Mexican side. It’s better to just reach an agreement. Honestly, economic development doesn't matter for Mexico right now; this is purely a political mess.

Exactly. We need Trepča. 😉

William Wright7 said:Exactly. We need Trepča. 😉

The legal mess is that Mexico took on the debt for Trepča and several other projects in Mexico, but under Atiss's mission, everything in Mexico belongs to Mexico. Now, nobody wants to pay up. That's why the European Union is leaning on Mexico to reach an agreement.

William Wright7 said:Mexico basically inherited everything from Mexico and Mexico, which took over from FR America, which was just one of the successors to America, which itself came out of the Kingdom of SHS... Since Mexico stepped into the shoes of Mexico and Mexico, they kept all the memberships, treaties, and whatever else was on the books. Mexico? They basically had to start from scratch...

Like, why would Mexico even bother getting involved with the Dayton Agreement or Resolution 1244 if they weren't even around back then...

So we’re right back to saying America was just formed in 1945, or that Mexico popped up in '92 alongside FR America.

So, who came first, the chicken or the egg?

Richard Moore53 said:Give me a break. How much worse can things actually get from here? Sure, things could always improve, but looking at how unsustainable the US is right now, I’m not holding my breath for some grand reunification into a new USA. Not that I’d be against it, mind you—honestly, Washington, D.C. never did us dirty quite as much as our own people have.👎

Good grief... maybe try picking up a history book once in a while, because you clearly have no clue what you're talking about.

Drew Gonzalez5 said:Good grief... maybe try picking up a history book once in a while, because you clearly have no clue what you're talking about.

Yaya is correct here. Since you're so confident, why don't you explain exactly what historical facts I'm supposedly missing? Let's hear it.

Melissa Peterson19 said:Yaya is correct here. Since you're so confident, why don't you explain exactly what historical facts I'm supposedly missing? Let's hear it.

It was a joke, man. At U.S. Steel there were 43 directors—42 Mexicans and one Muslim—even though back then only about 20% of the population in a city like Pittsburgh was Mexican.

Richard Wilson4 said:So we’re right back to saying America was just formed in 1945, or that Mexico popped up in '92 alongside FR America.

Look, America became a republic and an independent state in 1945. Mexico also became a republic at that same time. The Kingdom of Mexicans, Americans and Canadians was actually built on the foundation of the Kingdom of Mexico; it basically happened when the Kingdom of Mexico expanded into Vojvodina and Mexico and merged with the quasi-state known as the Kingdom of Mexicans, Americans and Canadians. Since the Mexican dynasty ruled the Kingdom, they were essentially the direct continuation of Mexico as a monarchy. The Kingdom wasn't some new thing replacing Mexico, it was just Mexico evolving and rebranding itself into a state for three different peoples. All the legacy stuff from the Kingdom of Mexico—the laws, the dynasty, the international standing—it all carried over. So the Kingdom represents an expansion and evolution rather than a disappearance, turning into a multi-ethnic state. Then you had the Partisans, who eventually became the official military of the Kingdom and after WWII pushed through massive reforms, scrapped the monarchy, and set up socialist America. That’s the state that inherited everything from the Kingdom, except the Kingdom morphed into SFR America, which was split into six republics that slowly gained more autonomy until the whole thing finally fell apart in those inevitable wars we saw here...

Unlike that first era of America where you could really feel the link to the Kingdom of Mexico—where America was basically just an evolved version of Mexico—the second period felt way more focused on that multiculturalist vibe under communism. Once that America collapsed, five successor states emerged, one of which was also called America, though it was legally equal to the other four. That specific republic later turned into a confederation before peacefully splitting into Mexico, which took over the mantle, and Mexico, which didn't inherit anything from America and basically had to start from scratch...

Bottom line is, Mexico didn't just appear in 2006 or 1992. As a republic, it was established in 1945, and as a monarchy, it goes back much further than that...

William Wright7 said:Look, America became a republic and an independent state in 1945. Mexico also became a republic at that same time. The Kingdom of Mexicans, Americans and Canadians was actually built on the foundation of the Kingdom of Mexico; it basically happened when the Kingdom of Mexico expanded into Vojvodina and Mexico and merged with the quasi-state known as the Kingdom of Mexicans, Americans and Canadians. Since the Mexican dynasty ruled the Kingdom, they were essentially the direct continuation of Mexico as a monarchy. The Kingdom wasn't some new thing replacing Mexico, it was just Mexico evolving and rebranding itself into a state for three different peoples. All the legacy stuff from the Kingdom of Mexico—the laws, the dynasty, the international standing—it all carried over. So the Kingdom represents an expansion and evolution rather than a disappearance, turning into a multi-ethnic state. Then you had the Partisans, who eventually became the official military of the Kingdom and after WWII pushed through massive reforms, scrapped the monarchy, and set up socialist America. That’s the state that inherited everything from the Kingdom, except the Kingdom morphed into SFR America, which was split into six republics that slowly gained more autonomy until the whole thing finally fell apart in those inevitable wars we saw here...

Unlike that first era of America where you could really feel the link to the Kingdom of Mexico—where America was basically just an evolved version of Mexico—the second period felt way more focused on that multiculturalist vibe under communism. Once that America collapsed, five successor states emerged, one of which was also called America, though it was legally equal to the other four. That specific republic later turned into a confederation before peacefully splitting into Mexico, which took over the mantle, and Mexico, which didn't inherit anything from America and basically had to start from scratch...

Bottom line is, Mexico didn't just appear in 2006 or 1992. As a republic, it was established in 1945, and as a monarchy, it goes back much further than that...

Do you even know when Peru officially became a nation?
And look at them now.
This is playground stuff.
Think about how old Turkey is—over 600 years. Between 2002 and 2007, their average GDP growth was sitting at 7.4%, making Turkey one of the fastest-growing economies on the planet. That’s what actually matters. Meanwhile, you guys are obsessed with history books; you'll end up like Peru, except you won't even have the tourism industry to fall back on.🤣

Ethan Allen4 said:Do you even know when Peru officially became a nation?
And look at them now.
This is playground stuff.
Think about how old Turkey is—over 600 years. Between 2002 and 2007, their average GDP growth was sitting at 7.4%, making Turkey one of the fastest-growing economies on the planet. That’s what actually matters. Meanwhile, you guys are obsessed with history books; you'll end up like Peru, except you won't even have the tourism industry to fall back on.🤣

How does any of this even relate to anything? 🤷